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  1. “A poor mans TP52” - Guaranteed joke told on the lawn at Harbor court.
  2. For the J70 class, it’s more like 50/50. Or maybe even a majority on the paid crew plan. The top of the fleet has another very very large step-up. Annual campaigns can steer near mid six figures. Which is extreme. ‘’having said that, I race them for free and have an absolute blast. And you can compete, but hard to break into the very top at a Worlds on the amateur plan. There are Corinthian regattas happening and a Corinthian class scored separately at most major regattas.
  3. Happens in many fleets. We’re in the screw job end of the C420 debacle a couple of years back. Manufacturer trying to create an incentive to buy their boat by playing the not-tightly-enough-enforced/monitored one-design class. They go one step too far and the shit hits the fan.
  4. This just plain isn't true. There are few top sailors in college today that haven't sailed international classes or keelboats. If you look at nationals results, I can guarantee that this is the case for every single winner in the last 10 years. My point here isn't that everyone finds it boring, but it is definitely selecting for a certain kind/size of sailor. It is boring to sail in the same boats over and over again in the same format over and over again. Agreed that the top sailors seek and find opportunities to sail outside of that format. That is one reason why they are the top s
  5. You make a fair point, and I also know many top-flight sailors who came through college sailing. Perhaps there is a path for both channels. There is another complication for the less accomplished college sailors who do not keep up with sailing after graduation. Many times they try to compete in other formats and find the skills sets they learned to be narrow and not easily transferable to other formats. Some get discouraged and don't pursue any further.
  6. Not following your logic. B/c I gave you a fact, the junior sailing program is achievement oriented? Given kids coming back year after year for something they like and for which most of their parents have no idea about, it's a success. Guaranteed that without it, hundreds of kids (sailors in general attend on average 5 years at our program, so not 2,000 kids, more like 600 - 700 in last 10 years) would never have gone sailing at all and many who love it have gone on to cruise, race, screw around in boats, etc. etc. wouldn't have had the skills to do so.
  7. disagree. Some junior programs may be the problem, but not all. We get 200+ unique kids out every summer and they progress through learning how to sail and muck around in boats. parents do none of the work on boat prep. Kids go to regattas. parents do none of the boat prep. they do drop off as they get older, but they have so many other time-consuming activities, that it is hard to pin point any one thing that draws them away.
  8. I'll add one more thing... College racing format is boring, BORING. Why do people drop out of sailing... lots of reasons, but boring is definitely one of them. Some of these kids will spend 10 years of their lives -10 YEARS - in the same general class of boats. Many of the top sailors coming out of college have NO other sailing skills and can't even tune a I420 for international competition let alone a 470 or god forbid a 49er or even a keel boat.
  9. Imagine if instead of 20 hyper-short races in C420s without chutes on random Saturdays in the fall, there were multiple collegiate regattas with Olympic class boats in olympic competition format. Would it cost more? yes. Would this require colleges to send trailers and do boat setup beforehand and breakdown afterwards? yes. Would practice get more complicated? somewhat. Wouldn't it, however, result in better prep for the Olympics with more college sailors getting a chance to try the boats in real competition and actually get good at these classes of boats? The cream would rise to the top
  10. As others have pointed out, it’s very expensive and time consuming to train for Olympic sailing. It’s exacerbated by the fact that college sailing is a terrible place to get better at olympic style racing.
  11. US College racing is almost entirely run with short course with no spinnaker, fleet and team racing. Boats are mostly small 2 person dinghies for Junior sailors. System is great for starts, close in tactics, mark roundjngs, and some boat handling. Absolutely terrible for long race formats where boat setup, big picture strategy, boat speed technique, and longer fleet management are critical skills. If you run track in college, it is prepping for the Olympics. Same with swimming, volleyball, etc. Most college sports are in the same general format as Olympic sports and the skills and
  12. Great sailor. Great man. Funny and kind. A screaming reach and surf able waves, fair sailing Bruce.
  13. We are planning on fitting all chase boats with prop guards. Any of you have direct experience with running boats with guards and, if so, what was your experience?
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