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Wavedancer II

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    The RS Aero class rules are available on the rs site:





    Section C.1.4 is interesting. "A competitor shall always have the right to use a smaller sail during a

    handicap series without disqualification." That basically gives a reefing option during a multi event series.


    Who cares about the handicap results for a OD?


    Big deal in the UK!

  2. Can anyone offer any valid reason the ILCA has delayed the release of the new Laser sail and carbon top section?


    This is not a witch hunt, it's more about understanding what the actual reasons are.


    And before simply answering "because of the legal action", that in itself in not a valid reason - because all that will potentially change is the North American and European builder - a change that has occurred before. Yes there is some minor disruption to supply - but the sailing goes on...

    The builders have to sign off and they don't drink tea together these days.

  3. Remember, the Lasers used in the 2012 Olympics were not 'legal'.

    Furthermore, the IOC is such a potentate that it will disregard the current dispute between Kirby and LP.

    ILCA will just kiss the ground and say 'thank you' to whatever happens at the Olympics.


    The analogy of where to seat the elephant may be appropriate.

  4. I still think if Laser has the guts to modernise the boat with carbon tubes (very cheap nowadays) and a Hansen like square top main in laminate they will last another 25years.

    Don't hold your breath...


    4 page report is done, just editing :)


    No hurries mate; looking forward to its final version.


    But let's remember that West Coast is a dealer and that he can't, or won't, point out any really negative experiences in his written review.

  6. With the laser class in disarray, it looks like there is a queue of boats wanting to take over.

    Athough the class organization (ILCA) may be in disarray, this really hasn't effected Laser sailing as such. In my neck of the woods (USA), it's sailing as before. Frostbiting, club racing, Regional and National championships all have good turnouts.


    I might be reluctant to buy a new boat though, but this only effects Laser Performance and the dealership that would sell me the boat. So far, my current (2004) one is holding up.


    Even though the D-zero and RS-Aero look mighty nice, it will be a long time for them to catch up with the Laser as far as numbers and opportunities to race are concerned.

  7. It seems the Torch is the only currently available solution for maintaining a supply of new game toys in Australia .


    Or so says that builder


    Disheartening, since the reason given for the change in the Fundamental Rule was to secure an uninterrupted supply of Lasers...

  8. I sail a 2004 Laser and might consider updating. But I live in LP land and would be a fool to do this right now because I don't want to be hassled about plaques (whether on a Torch or a Laser). I doubt I am the only one in this position.

    My point is that LP may be hurting not selling boats to folks like me. Even though Rastegar may not be a real sailing enthusiast, his pocket book is probable talking. And this might bring his lawyer to the table. Perhaps it's already happening; see post 1076 and the follow-up...

  9. Gantt type many words but little truth to me it seem.


    Yes fully my ILCA class dues and other pay I and voted two. Bet you I that not many others here do. Big circle jerk.

    I am sorry to write that I can't discern a meaningful contribution to what is a (mostly) a serious conversation (an anomaly perhaps on this Forum).


    Even if the court rules that LPE still has the Laser Trademark, if the court rules that LPE is in abrogation of the contract it has with BK, BK gets to take back his CM.And absent the CM - LPE cannot build a hull that the ILCA can certify.Which means that at least the mainland EU market simply evaporates for LPE.

    It has been said several times in this thread by someone else (not me) that LPE do not care for the "racing" market. Apparently, it's the recreational market they're after. If that is true, then they don't give a rat's ass about being ILCA certified or ISAF plaques.

    That can't be LPE's strategy; they are not that stupid.

    When is the last time you have seen a Laser at a beach resort? I can only think of The Bitter End. If a resort has any sailboats, they are likely to be Hobies or Sunfishes.

  11. Good points, Gouv.


    I am especially appalled by the reasoning given at the time by ILCA (Heini Wellmann et al) to change the Fundamental Rule. The argument, as I understood it, was to have a steady supply of boats and parts, so that the class could continue to prosper. Now look at the mess we are in. And I am not just talking about the quality of LP made hulls and the stuttering supply chain of parts.

    ILCA has managed to split the class in warrying camps. Inadvertently, I agree, but the prior management team certainly showed a lack of foresight and managed to alienate Bruce Kirby at the same time. The current management team (Tracy Usher et al) was quiet untll very recently for good reasons. But now they have sided with Laser Performance. No wonder we (Laser Anarchists) are upset. No matter which side we are on, the Class is loosing in the short run. In the long run, who knows? Note that I have not taken sides in the contractual dispute between Bruce Kirby and the defendents. ILCA stated repeatedly that they wanted to stay on the sidelines because they didn't know what was in the contract(s). But they did take a position. Twice, actually. First with the change in the Fundamental Rule and very recently with the 'annointment' of LP as a builder (and the rejection of the Torch concept). ILCA states that it has the long-term future of the Class at heart, and I tend to believe them, but wonder about the execution.


    The reasoning to support the change in the Fundamental Rule was put in doubt by several, as expressed on The Laser Forum. However, only a small minority of Laser sailors reads The Laser Forum or Dinghy Anarchy. The great majority relied on ILCA and their Regional Offices who recommended to vote in favor of the rule change. Hence, the vote was strongly in favor of the change in the Fundamental Rule.


    Did ILCA really support the Class by promoting the change in the Fundamental Rule? ILCA already spent a great deal of money on lawyers and will have to continue to do so, since they are a defendent in the Kirby law suit. Is that how we wanted our dues to be used? ILCA claims that they act in the interest of the class. I don't doubt that they want to do so, but bad decisions have been made and the class is suffering. Not inconceivable that ILCA will go broke, IMHO if Kirby wins in court.


    Is their some light at the end of the capsize?

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