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  1. On 4/15/2021 at 6:01 PM, Dolphin65 said:

    Just discovered that the base hydraulics system for all teams has been developed by the Italian Cariboni. See the automatically translated article here: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.giornaledellavela.com%2F2021%2F04%2F10%2Fcariboni-luna-rossa&sandbox=1

    The 1-design hydraulic system for the foil arms was all Cariboni free-supply with the arms. LR were in charge of the arms design which faailed and forced ETNZ to become involved - this costs for this rescue by ETNZ was one of the issues which ruptured the ETNZ-LR relationship...

  2. 8 hours ago, strider470 said:

    That's true, but it's not an advantage anymore for them to keep the same configuration. They will need some new trick and it's not easy to find one on the second iteration of the same class rules

    They can open up the foil arm systems and controls to be team-designed, within maximum safety parameters.

  3. 7 hours ago, marlowe said:

    So as a Kiwi you'd be okay with the risk of losing the Cup in a foreign country just over a year after ETNZ won it? And if that happened you'd be okay with hosting an AC in Auckland where ETNZ would be one of several challengers and not guaranteed to be in the match?

    The 1:1 "challenge" the ACA muppets are frothing about won't happen. RNZYS, the holders of the Cup, are the only ones who can decide - and they've made their feelings known about the I-of-W 1:1 wet-dream.

  4. 11 hours ago, KiwiJoker said:

    FWIW, this is a copy of the Commodore's letter.  Not as dramatic as hopped-up Granny Herald would have it but certainly a thumbs down on a one-on-one match in Cowes. Interestingly enough, a thumbs-up on the AC 75 Class.

    March 20, 2021, for immediate release. 
    New York Yacht Club Congratulates Emirates Team
    New Zealand on Winning the 36th America's Cup

    .... The Royal New Zealand Yacht Squadron and the Royal Yacht Squadron hold the future of our sport’s premier trophy in the palm of their collective hands....

    As part of the New York Yacht Club's return to this great competition after two decades away, we spent significant time developing a draft Protocol that would blend the history, tradition and idiosyncrasies that makes the America's Cup so special with the commercial tools and non-partisan governance required to succeed in the world of modern sport. When our challenger, New York Yacht Club American Magic, was eliminated from the competition, we shared this Protocol with every competitor in the 36th America's Cup and a number of key Cup stakeholders. It was very well received by nearly everyone who read it. We are encouraged to see that, according to the press release from Emirates Team New Zealand, the Protocol for the 37th America's Cup will incorporate at least some of the tenets of our vision, including stronger nationality rules, a commitment to multiple cycles in the same boat, a more powerful event authority and cost-reduction measures.

    However, a Deed of Gift match off the Isle of Wight, as reported by the New Zealand Herald to be under consideration, would be a huge step in the wrong direction. The two previous Deed of Gift matches, in 1988 and 2010, were distinct low points in the history of the America's Cup. Regardless of the conditions, the New York Yacht Club will not support a Deed of Gift match or an America's Cup competition that, due to the schedule and rules for competition, is effectively open to only the Defender and Challenger of Record.....

    Christopher J. Culver, Commodore
    New York Yacht Club 

    LOL!! Now what will these dumbass muppets who've been losing their rags over a never-event going to complain about now?? Only RNZYS can decide on any AC37 Challenge, and the I-of-W wet-dream is just that.

    They'll go back to arguing about the condition of entry requirements :lol:

  5. The Italians were never going to win without a major catastrophe befalling ETNZ. They had to unseal their best toys in the Prada Cup Final when they saw how dominant Britannia was, to prevent the potential humiliation of being dumped from their own Cup, and thereafter could only massage their mods and systems to squeeze every little incremental improvement out of their boat.

  6. 1 hour ago, dg_sailingfan said:

    I think it's not good. An Event like the America's Cup which is so prestigeous and has such a rich history should have more Coverage around the World.

    Think about this: The Tour de France has more TV Coverage than the AmCup? Seriously! Something is badly wrong here.

    Why?? The AC will always remain a niche event, accessible only to those with the $$$ to participate. Those who don't like it are welcome to fuck off and watch any one of dozens of other regattas around the world.

    The AC has never been an equal-opportunity challenge event.

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  7. 2 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

    In the current cycle (AC37) no problem. But they don't have rights to try and set those provisions for AC38.

    You people need to brush up on your comprehension. Agreeing to AC75s for AC37 and 38 is a Condition of Entry in a multi-Challenger AC. NYSC wouldn't even bother to get out of bed over any application as some of you people are claiming...NYSC has no say in any multi-Challenger event.

  8. Just now, Sailbydate said:

    That the Defender and the Challenger decide on the boats and conditions for the match. (My interpretation, not the actual text).

    SO how how are the "..boats and conditions for the match" overridden if RNZYS and RYS agree on the boats and conditions of entry and other conditions, which the Deed specifically empowers them under mutual consent??

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  9. 6 minutes ago, dg_sailingfan said:

    Look, the Point is not if it makes sense or not.

    The Point jaysper I am are making that is isn't Deed Compliant!

    As I have said and I stand by it: If this is written into the Official Protocol of AC37 the NYYC will Challenge it in Court.

    Care to explain how "this isn't Deed Compliant"??

  10. 31 minutes ago, dg_sailingfan said:

    Maybe but pulling a stunt like this excluding a potential Competitor because that Competitor doesn't like the current Boat Class and making it a Condition for their Entry is a massive fraud in my view!

    How is that "fraud"?? Winners make the rules, quite simple!! A condition of entry is perfectly enforceable so long as the Challenger and Defender mutually agree.

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  11. 28 minutes ago, dg_sailingfan said:

    Usually the Original Protocol for AC35 stipulated a Northern Hemisphere Qualifier & a Southern Hemisphere Qualifier and the two Winners go to BDA to contest the Final of the CSS with the Winner going to the Match but because only 5 Teams challenged the Qualifier for Auckland was pulled. Kiwis were pretty outraged because they had a Document signed by then AC Commerical Commissioner Harvey Schiller.

    If Dalton & Ratcliffe can agree on Mutual Consent that the CSS to be held in a different Location than the Match they will do it.

    Was that the Protocol signed with the initial CoR Hamilton Island Yacht Club before they threw in the towel?

  12. 5 minutes ago, nroose said:

    I am guessing it would not be remote controlled, but AI controlled. I think it would be a shame. But I would watch.

    ETNZ will simply have their bot sail Te Rehutai II from their base while lounge around drinking Steinies and Nespressos :D

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  13. 53 minutes ago, mako23 said:

    Other sports have budget caps there’s no reason why AC can’t have one 

    Also if you have an Auditor embedded into your team, with complete access to all records. It’s going to be very hard to get around them. 

    Don't be so fucking naive!! The AC is an EVENT - not a sport! You've either got the money to participate in it, can raise the money - or you can't and therefore don't.

    Next Challenger!!

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  14. 20 minutes ago, EYESAILOR said:

    Good grief, can you imagine Ashby, TS and NO on one boat with JS as manager and coach.

    Nah...its not going to happen. Aussie provides the talent for OPBs.

    Not convinced how Slingsby can work with Spithill after second-guessing him in BDA in the midst of rumours that Coutts wanted him to replace Spithill when 4-zip down in the Match. Nor for that matter Glen Ashby working with their big egos having spent 8 years in a collaborative and supportive team environment.

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  15. 23 hours ago, southseasbill said:

    I reckon an AC75 without the restrictions on monitoring of yacht state and feedback loops plus make everything battery powered, would make an awesome DoG challenger.

    What's "awesome" about a remote-controlled AC75??

  16. 6 minutes ago, dg_sailingfan said:

    If they run a Single Challenger Event ala before 1970 (when the CSS was established) then they would lose all the NZ Government Funding. The Condition of the NZ Government funding another Defence is that AC37 takes place in Auckland.

    I think that there will be a CSS/AC in Auckland in 2023/2024.

    ACWS Events in Portsmouth & Newport in the 2nd Half of 2022.

    I think AC37 will be in Auckland in Feb-March 2024, with a few AWS events around Europe and US East and West coasts in early '23. Interest can build up leveraging off the Rugby World Cup tv coverage in Sept-Oct '23 in France.

  17. 1 hour ago, dg_sailingfan said:

    Glenn Ashby is a different subject. First of all he is a Sailor and not a Designer and in case you missed it during the Official AC Broadcast yesterday his fellow Australian Nathan Outerridge said On-Air that Ashby is likely going back to Australia after bascially having spent most of the last 8 years since he signed up for ETNZ's 2013 Challenge in New Zealand.

    Nothing new about that "revelation" - Glen Ashby continued to live in Australia since he signed up with ETNZ, only spending extensive time in Auckland when he has had to during boat design, testing, etc. During AC36, he moved his family over to comply with the continuous residence requirement of AC36 Protocol.

    Glen Ashby can apply for a Kiwi passport without relinquishing his Aussie citizenship - probably already travels on one.

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  18. 3 minutes ago, strider470 said:

    Correct. That's exactly my pont. I wouldn't agree. In fact I said that, should the defender want to put a cap, they first have to find a challenger willing to agree on that.

    Just to show the idiocy of the cap suggestion...

    ETNZ can turn around to Ineos and say: maximum budget of Euro5 million if you want a race next year, knowing they have technological enhancements and mods already matured, tested and ready but not implemented in the AC36 match:

    -Ineos would be crazy to agree to it if they need to catch up to ETNZ, so they disagree and have a DoG match with open designs restricted only by the dimensions stipulated in the official Challenge and specs in the Deed;

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  19. 14 minutes ago, strider470 said:

    What I meant is that, if there is no agreement, in a pure DoG Match, there would be no cap on the budget.

    In case of mutual consent they could chose to have it. But they both need to agree on that.

    Am I wonrg?

    Possible, but not probable. If you're the Challenger with a fat wallet, why would you agree to restrict yourself from using your spending power advantage?

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