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Everything posted by GauchoGreg

  1. Now that's the attitude! But seriously, I do not believe it is his wording, but rather his point. He seems to be claiming (regardless how the words being clunky) that foilers can't go a week at pace similar to IDEC, and that they really don't have many areas where they have an advantage. That is reason, not wording.... with that, I trash/flame away! By the way, my MO is to have a very forgiving attitude on message boards... if Symbio makes a great point in his next point, I will ignore what he said in his previous post and give him props. Hell, I did that with DougLord all the ti
  2. Just saying that photo makes it look like it is digging in badly, but in actuality the boat just cuts through that without significant slowing. Maybe they will end up going with longer foils, but I'm guessing that comes with its own hazards... to start with having longer foils dictates more leverage and higher stress on the foils and linkages. Also, having the boat higher can result in the boat having more height to come down from... that could lead to much more dramatic crashes off the foils. Maybe the best compromise is to have the boat more frequently skipping off the water or havin
  3. Huh? What does that have to do with people getting pissy about sharp comments? Did anyone suggest no one talk about tech of the boats? Nope. Symbio came in making claims that are not founded as if he had some data to back it up, did so in the face of all the best designers moving in the direction of these foiling concepts, and doing so ignoring that Gitana was NEVER trying to go full top speed, but rather always balancing their tempo with preserving the boat and optimizing the routing for the systems that were available to them. He rightly got called on it. Then wankers come in to I gues
  4. On the video where that capture comes from, that "nose dive" is no where near as bad as it looks in the still image.
  5. Might we wait to see the cause of the damage before jumping to conclusions? If they hit something large, it (foiling) is probably irrelevant. If it is fatigue from foiling, it is then a valid point that has to be handled, just like all technology. Just like they learned about the cavitation damage on the TJV withdrawal. This was the first time that a sailboat foiled on the open ocean for 10K miles. The point I was making is that people like Symbio who thinks that technology advancing happens smoothly, or if there are setbacks the design is the wrong idea, are ignorant. Ooooh, sorry h
  6. When did Sailing Anarchy become a "nice" place?
  7. Cue the Symbio idiot to claim that the damage is because the boat is a foiler.... making such claim without knowing a damned thing whether the rudder component that broke has anything to do with foiling, and ignoring that the boat was not doing anything "foiling" that a waterborne boat wouldn't have been doing.
  8. Great new video.... clearly they are not going as fast as they possibly can, but rather they discuss the challenge of finding the right speed to go. By the way, amazing how much more comfortable these boats are now in the Southern Ocean than just a few years ago. Basically, even in the Roaring 40s, one guy has his head out in the elements, and the rest are almost always tucked away in a comfy cockpit with relatively light clothes on. https://www.facebook.com/GitanaTeam2017/videos/225721242480049
  9. " Schematically, these pure foiling Ultims, are just a tad quicker from around 70° to 130° of the wind, with a swell under about 2 meters. Beside that, these boat are significantly slower. ..." Dude, you are trying way too hard to sound like you know what you are talking about, and doing so pissing against the wind of the very best offshore boat designers all coming around to the same design basis... foiling boats. Fact of the matter, a LOT of the track for these offshore boats is in pretty ideal conditions for the foilers, and where it is not ideal, the data we have is that they ca
  10. Gitana has been extending its lead for the past few scheds, so doing very well at this point. It will be very interesting to see how this Indian Ocean set of systems matures.
  11. Yeah, no. If you have been following this for any period of time, you will know that all boats have always had failed attempts due to breakage, collisions, etc. Every generation gets quicker, although yes there are more things that can break. But the thing is you have to beat the previous generation, and to do that with anything other than luck, you need to be able to go faster, faster overall, not just in one sea state. These boats are much faster in marginal conditions, not necessarily the worst or best conditions... they have the ability to transition faster, to be able to catch lows be
  12. Yep, have to figure their jibe will be VERY soon with a 32knt speed but only 6.5vmg, and the wind tailing off very soon.
  13. The other factor relative to how fast they want to push it on a RTW race, with these new boats, is cavitation damage on the foils. Gitana is going to be particularly sensitive to this given they had to give up one race, already, due to cavitation damage. No sense in going those few extra knotts that may compromise the foils in a race that is 40 days long. They can always try to do a North Atlantic / 24h record attempt.
  14. Gitana is hammering the Southern Atlantic... I would think they will easily shatter the Start to Good Hope record and the Equator to Good Hope record.
  15. How fast can they be going and be able to launch and retrieve the drone? Can they be going at full-tilt 40+ knt speeds in the Southern Ocean and pull that feat off? I wanna see some drone footage of them going full-tilt.
  16. Absolutely. My point was just that it is pretty tough to make a claim that Gitana HAD to be ahead of IDEC by X amount in the first 1/3rd of the course in order to have a chance of beating Idec's JVT time. Who knows, maybe Gitana will absolutely rip across the Pacific, hit the coast of Brazil perfectly....There are plenty of opportunities for a faster boat to beat IDEC's time, regardless of how hard it may be to overcome Idec's great track across the Indian ocean. Now, if Gitana was a slower boat, it would b a monumentally harder feat to overcome Idec's Indian crossing.
  17. Not really true. They don't HAVE to be way ahead of IDEC. You would be right if they did not have a faster boat. Of course Idec had a great bunch of days ahead of where the boat is, now, but to think Gitana can't do better, with a MUCH newer and faster boat, is simply wrong. It certainly would have taken the pressure off them if they did not have to match or beat Idec's performance in the coming week(s), but they certainly can do at least as well with a next generation boat capable of knocking off miles significantly faster than IDEC.
  18. Is it just me, or is the Gitana site down?
  19. More of this, please. I love seeing the drone footage on these off-shore excursions. I have always thought, though, that the simplest, cheapest, and probably least risky way to have aerial footage would be to set up a very small control kite with a cam on it. They could use something like that for boat monitoring and ice/object spotting.
  20. crapola. LOVED watching the two matching up at the same time.
  21. Girls with big noses always look better before they have them lopped off... I like the before version of LunaRossa better
  22. Can we PLEASE see them out on the JV course together!?!?!?!
  23. My point is that none are still OD and there are no OD events for them... they cannot compete with the bigger boats, they cannot set records, they are unlikely to win line-honors unless against boats they really should hardly care to race against, they cannot win handicapped events (nor would owners of such boats likely care to try), they are tweeners... too small to really tackle big races (big ocean stuff... see what Bruno Peyron said about them) but pretty awkward to use just for fun. Yeah, I would love to get a ride on one, and really impressive for what they can do at the price one can s
  24. Maybe I am in the minority, but I just don't see the point in the MODs.
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