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Excoded Tom

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  1. "Let" is hardly the word. The story will eventually be pried out, despite the stonewalling currently underway. There are too many whistleblowers and too many documents on the loose already for the coverup to succeed in the end.
  2. That'll definitely up your street cred! Fox News. Now there's a reliable source. Maybe you can find better coverage of this story for us? Try the Washington Post!
  3. Uh oh. If this one is true, it's going to be very hard to explain: That'll definitely up your street cred!
  4. Future tense noted. I wonder when this cooperation will begin?
  5. I see the disinformation campaign continues at the Washington Post... There is no such loophole, and in fact, another way of saying unlicensed gun dealer in fewer words is: criminal. If you are a dealer, you must have a license, and you must do background checks. The loophole in the law is for private individual sales, and it does not "especially" apply at gun shows, where 0.7 to 1.7% of guns used in crimes are purchased. It applies everywhere.
  6. It does seem strange that Holder is allowing some unnamed person in his department to make him look like such a fool. If he is telling the truth and did not know, it means that someone at Justice has been running this foolish and illegal operation under his nose for years, he never figured it out, and his subordinates do not respect or trust him enough to tell him what they are doing.
  7. Apparently, Congress is not waiting for cooperation... So is gunwalking really still ongoing? Not according to the new policy memo: This is an odd new policy, considering that Justice is still officially denying that gunwalking was the old policy. Holder is denying he knew of any gunwalking, so either: 1. He's lying and knew about it, or 2. Someone at Justice has been running this operation without his knowledge.
  8. Mastercard, Visa, or American Empire?
  9. What they really are now over at CBS is alone, or close to it, in reporting this story. It does not seem to be a popular story in the left wing outlets. Don't believe me? Let's examine the latest update in the Washington Post on the Congressional hearings into Project Gunrunner.... OK, so as usual the "gun lobby" is to blame for "weak" gun laws that are the source of our problems, and all investigators can do is mess with straw buyers. As noted in the Inspector General's report, the referrals for prosecution of straw buyers are often ignored by federal prosecutors, who have bigger
  10. Don't get all hysterical now. It was only two, and it's not like we're going to run out of federal agents or anything.
  11. Mexico is trying to sue US gun makers Over problems caused by ATF bumbling and US drug policy.
  12. That was part of my reaction too. I worked in a wood shop one summer that had one very much like that. The other part was fear. I remember dropping an enormous beam, and the corner landed right on my big toe. Lost the nail. Learned why people wear steel toed boots. ETA: good reminder on safety basics from another forum - http://www.popularmechanics.com/home/skills/yale-students-tragic-death-prompts-a-shop-safety-review I remember getting yelled at for operating the big sanding machine with my shirt untucked. There was a moment of teenage irritation at being yelled at, then I saw th
  13. Many gun owners do not trust AG Holder to investigate his Department on this matter. If you don't know why, click here.
  14. For those not inclined to clicking and reading, here is an email sent by Phoenix ATF group supervisor David Voth to his team: GO TEAM! The not-so-subtle message: if you do not agree with the Gunwalking program, you do not deserve to be here. Sounds like some were trying to handle this "through channels" over a year ago, but with the top level of the ATF and their bosses at the Justice Dept showing this attitude, what is someone who thinks he deserves his job, but who also thinks gunwalking is monumentally stupid, supposed to do? So a year ago we had dramatic reports about US
  15. A 33 year agent who blew the whistle tells why: If this were an ordinary information-gathering sting technique, you would think an agent with decades of undercover experience would have known about it, but I suppose Mark knows best, as always.
  16. Meanwhile, Rep. Issa is threatening the Justice Dept. with contempt of Congress. The ATF allowed/encouraged almost 1,900 guns from one area to go to Mexico, and the only apparent recovery/tracking plan was to check serial numbers when one was recovered from a crime scene. Predictably, most are still missing down there. When something that boneheaded happens, proper Congressional oversight demands that we find out why and prevent it from happening again. It's not as fun as calling for gun owners to take a draconian buttfucking again, but it is necessary. So the claim is based
  17. Oops, looks like the number of guns may grow as we learn more... Meanwhile, Rep. Issa is threatening the Justice Dept. with contempt of Congress. The ATF allowed/encouraged almost 1,900 guns from one area to go to Mexico, and the only apparent recovery/tracking plan was to check serial numbers when one was recovered from a crime scene. Predictably, most are still missing down there. When something that boneheaded happens, proper Congressional oversight demands that we find out why and prevent it from happening again. It's not as fun as calling for gun owners to take a dracon
  18. So a screw up that sends thousands of weapons to criminals in Mexico is just routine stuff that goes on all the time at an organization like the ATF, and we should just ignore it, cover it up, and allow it to continue? I guess my expectations are a bit higher, but if you are correct, the agency should just be shut down. So many strawmen! How many of what type of weapons? Can you provide a list for us? Routine? Who said it was routine? Allow it to continue? Who is saying it should be allowed to continue? Cover it up? No, just not make a congressional issue out of i
  19. I can think of no other reason for people to make up wild stories about Obama plotting to arm the drug lords and congressional investigations over a LE information gathering sting, ill-conceived though it be. The level of hysteria over that is out of proportion, and in a very large way. Cops screw up all the time. So a screw up that sends thousands of weapons to criminals in Mexico is just routine stuff that goes on all the time at an organization like the ATF, and we should just ignore it, cover it up, and allow it to continue? I guess my expectations are a bit higher, but if you are c
  20. So Issa and Grassley are just investigating this illegal and stupid operation because they want to stop ATF "stings" in order to help gun dealer sales? All because the NRA told them to? That's pretty silly. I think they are concerned that the ATF was encouraging gun dealers to commit crimes, that the Justice Department joined in encouraging those dealers to commit crimes, and that there was no plan to track these guns down in Mexico, making the whole operation not just criminal, but extremely stupid. At least, that's the charitable explanation. Others think the operation was not so stu
  21. By accusing them of deliberately allowing arms to go to the Cartels. The NRA has made no such accusation against field agents, and in fact the topic article says this about them: They are accusing someone, who does not seem interested in coming forward and claiming credit for this bold move, of ordering the field agents to allow the criminals to spirit guns away into Mexico. The article makes plain that it was a political level decision, not endorsed by the agents in the field at all. So there is evidence that what you said about the NRA accusing field agents was false, bu
  22. I think you're looking for the built of wood thread... Cool car, but it does make me wonder who might buy it.
  23. Latest CBS report on Gunwalking Looks like Grassley is going after the ATF's "field agents" at the Justice Department to me. How high up the chain do we call them "field agents" Mark? Is Holder himself a "field agent"?
  24. You're not confused, you're just spinning wildly because you have encountered a situation in which the government was clearly encouraging crimes over the objections of gun dealers, and a government agent died as a result, making it very hard for lefties like yourself to paint gun owners as the bad guys here. I'm saying that contributing to the illegal flow of guns, especially without any apparent plan to track them, was incredibly stupid. More suspicious people than me may have noticed that the problem the ATF created was then used to call for more gun control. Can't really blame them for
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