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    Maine Coast, Casco Bay
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    multihulls both sail and power.

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  1. Agreed, they handle the local conditions well, we have one F24 and a couple F27s around here and they're nice craft but not what I am looking for, see my original wish list.
  2. As soon as it is a bit warmer (two months from now) I'll be on a W17 for which Mike has linked me up with the owner, so I am looking forward to that. Mike has been great with feedback and his W22 design is definitely still in the running. Now about that storm... no short standing waves and I see no white caps, which typically means winds less than 12 knots here in the Bay. Most afternoons we get plenty of two to three footers with a cream top, and it's common to see larger powerboats slow way down when they take it on the nose and the spray goes higher than the cabin. The lobsterboats on the o
  3. Hey MultiThom, I think you just made another point for a freestanding wingmast...! Here's another reason for freestanding: when at the dock or mooring, the mast can freely align with the wind without the boat trying to sail off. So does Chris White's design, but it would add unwanted weight and for a smaller daysailer I don't think two masts are needed. There was an Atlantic 47 at the marina dock here a couple of years ago and I spent time studying it there and followed it while it was sailing and later when it was on a mooring in front of the house. Very impressive performance and ease of han
  4. Phil's SEBAGO was actually a trimaran, the pictured catamaran was built later by Walter Greene. And the wing mast on that cat is the one from my 54 ft OSTAR tri Kriter VII/Fleetwing which I sold them when I decided that it would be wiser to tone down the rig a bit for cruising after sailing her through the perfect storm (yes, the real one, in 1991). To clarify, Kriter VII didn't have a wingmast in the 1980 OSTAR when Tom Grossman humped a monohull at the start; the wing was built and rigged by Walter Greene after the Canadians flipped her near the Azores (as Radio Canada at the time) and
  5. Hello proa fellows! I am new to this forum, being more of a trimaran guy myself, but I just came across an unfinished, all parts complete, Harryproa 40 here in Maine, so I wanted to flag it here. Here's what I know per email from the owner: Thank you for your interest. I have attached two pictures of the trailer, and a link to 32 additional photos of the proa. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/dwpi89a9syvwz3c/AADP8VcfFyueIledUrG_hmuka?dl=0 This particular harryproa is unique in that it is the first ever commercially built harryproa. It was built by Mark Stephens in Australi
  6. Very nice 16 footer indeed! And if we had lake-sailing conditions here on Casco Bay I would by now have picked one of the several nice small tris suggested here, but anything under 22 feet doesn't cut it for the conditions when the sea breeze picks up every afternoon. Especially when the tide runs against the wind we get very short steep waves and the water is cold most of the season, it doesn't get much above 60 degrees even come August. In other words, hobby horsing and soaking time when the waterline is less than twenty feet! The Tremolino I used a couple of years ago was just about the min
  7. There have been a few comments on free standing wing masts for my aging foraging trimaran. So I figured, why not dig in a bit on this subject while we're all hunkered down and have lots of time to read and respond, so here it goes: I'll start off with a quote from my friend and naval architect Eric Sponberg: Begin quote: "The rating rules say the wires have to be there, so designers put them in. If you don’t have wires, you cannot race. If that is how the racing fleet goes, so goes the rest of the boating market—cruising boats as well as racing boats. It is a very artificial feature of sa
  8. Sorry for not being clear, I do understand that the Discovery folds, but the amas go on top of the main hull, so keeping it in a marina in the water that way (=folded) is probably not a good idea, I can't figure how that would have any stability. Or be usable.
  9. Thanks! I guess I'll have to live with my self-inflicted foraging boomer thing forever. You're right, they're nice sailing vessels but with 3050 lbs of ballast they're not for this aging boomer!
  10. I remember seeing the Wylies on SF Bay and thinking how perfect they'd be if they didn't heel and drag a ton+ of lead around. The demo video of the three of them is the best illustration of feasibility of my dream boat rig. Thanks for reminding me!
  11. Chris White's discovery 21 is a nice looking craft but besides the cost, it's similar to the Multi23 and probably equally wet. plus you can't fold it for sitting in a marina slip.
  12. Thanks Amati, good link and a great article, Nigel Irens knows what he's talking about, and it makes me (almost) go back to considering round instead of wing profile. But then I just read the article by Phil Stegall about his OSTAR in SEBAGO, and the catenary ellipse mast design by Adrian Thompson... more R&D needed! Here's that link: https://www.sailingworld.com/story/racing/voices-heard-and-visions-of-trimarans-dancing/
  13. Good point but it would probably give you a chance to turn the bow into the wind and bring the boom back within reach before you turtle, as happens with three point stayed masts when the main gets stuck against the lee stay, lifting the stern far enough out of the water so you have no rudder and hang on for dear life, hoping she doesn't go over all the way. Been there, done that.
  14. Back to my trimaran for (space intended between these two words) aging boomers: I want to thank any and all for all the great input, this has been a real eye-opener and a fast education on how much is out there. I'll use the data to get to the next step of my DMAIC (=not a spelling error) and adjust my wish list. It certainly has helped me define what type and size of hull I want, and I'm now convinced that starting from scratch is not how I want to go about it. Thanks for the reality check! I'll be looking either for an existing vessel in the 23 to 25 ft range to play with/modify or get
  15. Can someone please tell me how to put a space between for and aging in the title of my posts, so they can stop ribbing me...there's no excuse for elderly abuse! Thanks guys!
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