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  1. I find this stuff really interesting. You need to be careful of formula driven rules like this as they will invariably favour a corner of the rule. In this case, long heavy boats with shallow drafts would potentially rate better and or be able to carry larger sail areas. The "t" factor as a multiplier is a bit wet finger in the air for my liking
  2. And this is the thing, the clubhouse is full after every race while people hang out to see who gets to go home with the bottle of plonk or whatever. Cheers go out to the winners, especially the occasional ones. At our club at least, if you're not there to get your prize, it goes to the next boat... I talked about the motivating behaviours of handicaps before, well here's what PHS motivates: If you improve, you win. It rewards you for having sailed above yourself, then pushes you to try harder next time in order to keep winning. Because of point 1, the racing is intense
  3. Fark me... I just read two different rule sets for PHRF from two different regions. They both want a full set of measurements including sail girths, displacements, LWL etc... for the application form. Bunches of rules on max LP, headboards and what not. No weighing and measuring? Unless I misunderstand completely, your rule sets seems to suggest otherwise. Someone has to measure all that at least (or guess), then fork over $50-$100 for a certificate. I can fork out $50 for an ORC club cert. You know, I just don't get the love for it. You have all this extra bureaucracy based on
  4. so given this long list of measurements in this particular set of PHRF rules, how do you know anyone has complied? http://www.yra.org/PHRF/docs/ncphrf_rules_and_guidelines.pdf I for one have no idea what my LWL is, and only vague notions of my LOA and BOA and only because I've seen my sisterships former IMS cert.
  5. So, getting a boat weighed and measured is cheap? Because it certainly ain't here. The certificate is the cheap part. PHS costs you nothing; no measurement, no certificate, just rock on up... I note even in NZ, there's only about 100 boats on their PHRF register (which has a PHS component to it as well). There'd have to be more than 100 boats racing in NZ. Which means they must be on some other system (probably PHS). Handicapping systems do more than just influence yacht designs. Handicap systems also influence the type, quality, and demographic of racing. It is worthwhile
  6. Actually, it's more regression to the mean. Every boat gets adjusted a gradient amount back to the mean every race. Top, bottom, middle. The rate of that regression is configurable.
  7. New Zealand has a pretty good system for this I think. If there was say a central authority in Australia who kept a central database of yacht results and handicaps, it would be possible to figure out roughly where each boat would rank. There are very few truly one off boats around the place. Except apparently mine, who's only sistership was added to the reef at blackrock many years ago. But even then, one could probably see we're a bit faster than a Young 88 and 2-3mins per 100 of an Adams 10....etc.. etc...
  8. In case any of our northern hemisphere brethren feel like they're missing out... smack talk in the bar usually goes something like this: "Man I owe you 5 mins and I still smoked your ass out there!" "And so you should, I bet you weigh what 1 tonne(a) , two?" "Less than your fat ass, have you considered a diet? besides if I cleaned my bottom as much as you I'd probably owe you 10" "You'd Smell better too..." ...and so on(b) (a) 1 tonne = 2204.62lbs (b)True story(c) (c)Not really
  9. We do similar things in other sports down here as well. In football, if you kick for goal and miss, we still give you a point for trying... Well at least in Victoria anyway.
  10. Well there you go, from the man with experience. I thought it was just like the compass thing.
  11. To be fair, I was pretty stoked to win my first laser club championship (scratch, not handicap, though I think I won both) a few years back. I'm no olympic hopeful, but I like to think I've done pretty well for myself over the years. Before then, I had never won a club championship though.
  12. To whom? The top Sailors who generally don't really care? Or the guy who spends gobs of time and money chasing a better rating to win a club pickle dish? You say that like you've tried it and seen your fleets massively diminished? That's not the experience of Aus (and NZ?) We had maybe 70 or 80 boats on the water yesterday, in "winter" all racing phs. At a club level, the typical Sailor is quite variable in how they sail. Under phs If you sail better than your average, you win. If you keep sailing better than your average you keep winning. You win when you improve. If you
  13. It's pretty common. Some people learn by doing, some reading, some listening, some watching. The trick is using all four. The risk of giving people a bunch of things to read upfront is they bury themselves in the notes and don't watch, listen, or do... this is where things like whiteboards can play a role. You can have students draw or write bullet points while you demonstrate. Eg: "here is a full rigged 420, let's see if we can draw it and name all the bits...". They're doing things but looking at the boat and drawing, watching others, reading what's on the board, and listening t
  14. Like I said, Club racing is practice racing. Under PHS, if your boat shows improvement, you get better results, which for a practice race sounds like a good thing. It just sucks for top guys. Most top guys don't really care that much about whether they win or not at club level as they have bigger fish to fry. At our club at least, hanging around for the after race presentations is usually enough to go home with a prize.
  15. I think not. The guy behind topyacht is pretty smart on this stuff. He's written quite a few things on handicapping systems. As mentioned, the big problem with the floating handicap is just the time for anomalies to get back to the mean. We got whacked hard one year at our local club after some really great results in variable conditions. 3 years later I think we're back to about the same spot we were rating wise before then. There's a couple of boats who were gifted good handicaps that on the water based on sheer straight line speed, should have been a bit higher I think. But I'm n
  16. Not a fan of the "picnic" handicapping. It can whack you hard for a small win and you pogo all over the place. The topyacht system can take a long time to work out anomalies depending on the adjustment factor and length of the rolling average. IMHO the same basic rules apply as any handicap, if the boats are too far apart then the numbers can be a mess. The more consistent relative performance is, the more reliable the numbers become. There's a handicapper here locally that seems to do a really good job of picking approximate first numbers. At least, he seems to give us numbers
  17. I said it in the other thread, but Diam 24's https://www.diam24onedesign.com/en/ They're fast. The fat blokes can sail one without falling overboard. You can fit a fsckload of them into a container.
  18. I want to say an Adams 10 is one of the most underrated boats out there. Frig me they can get up and go in a blow. An etchells might have their measure in really light winds. The A10 likes to drag its arse across the grass in the sticky stuff.
  19. Short, long, I'd suggest it's not going to do anything for forestay tension. I'm guessing most if not all the forestay tension upwind on an etchells comes from mainsheet tension, and some backstay tension. with the mainsheet on hard, if you still have no forestay tension then shorten it. You probably wouldn't have any main leach tension then either. someone who's actually sailed one will know better.
  20. I'm shocked, shocked to hear that not all etchells are identical.
  21. I bet they used cardboard...
  22. There are a bunch of mature, well respected syllabuses around for teaching learn to sail. At a minimum I'd suggest do some googling and have a look at their basic modules if not pay to get them. I don't teach learn to sail but from memory most if not all of them start with an on land exercise on steering and how to pull the sail on so it doesn't flap. (a flappy sail is an unhappy sail) and then just get them going from beam reach to beam reach between two marks. Things like capsizing doesn't get taught untill week 3 or 4 at least (from memory)
  23. Diam 24. There's plenty in France already, apparently a recognised international class, and a pseudo world presence. It's modern, accessible to young and old, and a innovative twist on the "keelboat" angle. A lack of world championships may be an issue... not sure if they've had one.
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