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  1. Nor did I say there was. But from my friends view, there were some things not as well though out on the DF25 as is on the Farrier designs. While I can see merits to the swing wing system, it did not impress my friend as much as the folding system on the Farriers. For instance, I can see that the swing wing system would be better if leaving the boat folded in the water but it is not as convenient in various ways if you trailer sail all the time. In my friends opinion, the F22 and F24 are boats that can be pushed harder than the DF25 and I tend to agree. But I stress that is only our opinion
  2. A quick update. My friend went to Miami and saw the DF25. He was not all that impressed. Some good things but mostly was concerned about the folding mechanism and a few other issues he saw, issues I suspect only because they were different than what Farrier does and has presented here. He has I think 8 or 9 years with his F24Mk1 so those features and characteristics are what he ends up looking for, or rather an improvement on those. He did not find them on the DF25. Meaning nothing really bad on the DF25, just not what he happened to think he wants and needs, nor did he see the Ian Farrier
  3. I have a friend with a rather long wait ahead of him for his new F22. He is considering two options. The first is to purchase a used F24 (he had one before but went cruising on a monohull for a bit) while he waits the 18 to 24 months (or more...) for his turn or he could spend his money now on a Dragonfly 25. We day-sailed and raced his old F24 and he actually cruised it twice to the Bahamas so it is pretty duo-purpose. He is not on SA and just asked me what he should do. I'll look for the Dragonfly thread as well. I was just wondering if others had thoughts on this. The money issue
  4. Keel up or down, looks great on the water!
  5. So of the 6 that planned to be there, 2 had family medical emergencies and bailed last minute, and 1 decided to do the R2AK... That left 3 boats... All PDX boats... Let's just call them #1, #2 & #4 to protect the guilty...We left RYC under main and sailed up wind out of the harbor and then close reached up past the bridge to the starting area. It was cold and blowing high-teens with gusts around 20 and it was lumpy and confused. We were in the 4th start and it was tough to spot the "D" flag on the signal boat to get our sequence. Downwind start... No kites until your start signal. We were
  6. http://plywood.boatbuildercentral.com/products.php?id=1 They seem to be the most reasonable and reasonably close.
  7. While I would not use fir these days, you can opt for lessor cost plywood and still be OK. THe birch and mystery wood chinese plywoods you can find locally are often 5 ply and use the same glues. The ones I have used have been void free. THey are also finished differently as they are sanded from 6mm to 5.2 mm, making the top and bottom veneers a bit thin. I would only use them if you glass both sides, which does add stiffness but also negates the weight savings and the cost savings in the end. I used them because at the time, frieght was a deal breaker so availablity and the opportunity fo
  8. Oh, come on, we all know that to be a millionare in the boat business, you have to start out being a billionare. Just the way it is. And that was all I got out of what Couch posted. That old running joke. But, the real issue is that all of us have to go and open presents in a couple of days then eat turkey, ham, or in my case, prime rib, until we think we will burst and then try to go sailing and work it off. I feel bad for those of you in the frozen north. You may have to go sking to work it off. That never worked for me as my fondest memories of sking always seem to be the warm bar aft
  9. Unification of the classes will only work if there is a way to include all who have built and are building in good faith and that those builders at the very least are allowed the same rights and privileges that the earlier builders took advantage of. To do less in very wrong and the ones suggesting excluding many know it. Changing the rules for NEW builders may be OK, but even that has to be done carefully. Joe I550 130 - legal under original and NA rule sets Open 550 - 336 - not a legal i550!
  10. Based on a PM I received, The i550Class rep is still involved with the "group of Four". So my mistake and my apologies. I misinterpreted something I was told apparently. And yes, the i550Class certainly has the right to do whatever they want with their rules. Of course they do, I never said otherwise. However, the proposed rules that they have been operating with till now excluded at least 50% of the boats sailing in this country. And what has been stated publicly as their concessions to be more inclusive so far still potentially leaves many completed or substantially complete boats out
  11. Some may know that the i550Class (forum site) , a non-public or “closed” forum – meaning that you must join and be approved to read the forum, is trying to create their own versions of a “unified” rule set. On the surface, this may seem like a great idea. However, from what I have seen and heard so far, they will still leave may both competed and under build i550's out in the cold, forcing a second if not a third “class” to exist simply to include all of the i550 builders who are legal under one or more of the rule sets out there today. It is no longer a “Group of Four” working on unificat
  12. While this a really great ( the annoucement of securing a real and true production builder) and I think a positive for the future of both the i550 as a class and those of us that have bought those plans and have slaved away at building our own, it is also exactly why it is very important that we nail down some solid rules and unite the classes. Now is the time to do it as once there are a gaggle or two of production i550's out there, they will get to set the standard if we early builders have not done it. It may be fine to let that happen, but let's do this now and take better control of the
  13. Yeah, I know, the measurement stuff isn't very exciting. But what is exciting, besides another i550 doing the Everglades Challenge, is that a builder stepped up and measured in his boat. Only a hundred or so more to go (assuming something over a hundred as being built or being built of the 500 plus plan sets sold.)
  14. Couch, for some, the status quo is what works. It allows them to continue to take solace in the fact they they are right and everyone else is wrong. Unity for the i550 class as a whole would mean some are very, very wrong and others very right. A few can't stand that. So they will belittle the attempts at providing information and facts. Meanwhile the masses will always prefer to follow rather than lead. Eventually you will find out the vast majority who read and do not post support your ( and the other three's) efforts at unification. In any case, this thread is not the best place
  15. Nope... 3.5 is from a flat panel. You can't have a concave (hollow) greater than 0.5" (12mm). That's in there due to the hollow sometimes created near the bow btw.The +1" is needed as a minimum because the hull panel at 53.5, if not pulled flush into a straight line as the original design (straight side) will bulge 13/16" to 15/16" from a straight line. You have to keep in mind that the post 400 plans are NOT THE SAME as the pre 400 plans. The CAD file that was drawn by Lee changed the hull sides from straight to rounded to overcome many of the build issues found in the early boats. Yeah
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