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Seems like a good option, he has money & was publicly extremely critical of the whole CNEV situation so can be expected to be a CoR who would vigorously defend Challengers rights.

 

I'd been thinking Branson might have had a go.

 

Bruno Trouble seemed pretty happy during his appearance at the BOR dockout, so presumably he has a fair idea of what is coming & likes the sound of it.

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Vincenzo Onorato is on Rising Sun

 

With papers in hand?

 

Biggest Italian Sporting Media (Gazzetta dello sport) says it's 100% sure. Onorato's lawyer is on Rising Sun, with papers in hand :)

 

As an Italian, but most of all as a sailor, I'd love it. Onorato has proven himself to be one of the best persons involved in the last ACcups..

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Vincenzo Onorato is on Rising Sun

 

With papers in hand?

 

Biggest Italian Sporting Media (Gazzetta dello sport) says it's 100% sure. Onorato's lawyer is on Rising Sun, with papers in hand :)

 

As an Italian, but most of all as a sailor, I'd love it. Onorato has proven himself to be one of the best persons involved in the last ACcups..

 

Agreed.

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Wow...Great work Clean!

 

1. Very funny guy. (We all knew that.)

2. Instead of answering Clean's question about the LV Cup...talked of Ernesto sinking in the waters of Valencia tomorrow, and unprompted went on to discuss a fair "protocol" if BOR win!

3. When asked directly why he was at BOR the other day..."to discuss red wine with Russell Coutts."

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From Valencia Sailing

 

12:10pm While we are waiting for the breeze to build up, rumors abound in the press center and the sailing media. According to La Gazzetta dello Sport, Italy's largest sports newspaper, if BMW Oracle wins the America's Cup in Valencia, Mascalzone Latino will become the Challenger of Record and the 34th America's Cup match will take place in Newport, Rhode Island in 2013.

 

In fact, Alessandra Pandarese, Mascalzone Latino's legal counsel, is reported to currently be aboard Larry Ellison's Rising Sun, in order to present the challenge, if and when USA crosses the finish line ahead of Alinghi 5. We are waiting for the photo of Pandarese wearing the BMW Oracle outfit, enjoying Valencia's nice sunshine.

 

 

That's the first time I've seen it mentioned that it would be held in Newport.

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Seems like a good option, he has money & was publicly extremely critical of the whole CNEV situation so can be expected to be a CoR who would vigorously defend Challengers rights.

 

I'd been thinking Branson might have had a go.

 

Bruno Trouble seemed pretty happy during his appearance at the BOR dockout, so presumably he has a fair idea of what is coming & likes the sound of it.

 

"...vigorously defend Challengers rights " - against LE/TE - HAHAHA.

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Wow...Great work Clean!

 

1. Very funny guy. (We all knew that.)

2. Instead of answering Clean's question about the LV Cup...talked of Ernesto sinking in the waters of Valencia tomorrow, and unprompted went on to discuss a fair "protocol" if BOR win!

3. When asked directly why he was at BOR the other day..."to discuss red wine with Russell Coutts."

 

And at the end, when he brought up the red wine again, he winked.

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In what other city in the world is the main road called "America's Cup Ave"?

 

The Cup belongs in Newport. I hope to god the rumor is true!

 

Hopefully all possible legal challenges now have irrefutable precedents to follow. The Cup returning to its ancestral home would be a powerful gesture to indicate that it is entering a new phase, a true "Reset" by BMW Oracle. Vicenzo is nobody's poodle. He just called Ernesto an asshole unprompted by Clean. Should Larry behave similarly, he will get the same outspoken treatment. Mascalzone will be a strong and honorable COR.

 

They will obviously not put challenger bases directly in the inner harbor, but somewhere close by.

 

Most of us BMW Oracle fans didn't support Larry because he is warm and fuzzy. We supported him because he claimed to be trying to save the legacy of the America's Cup. These two moves, should they prove to be fact, seem to indicate that he was not misleading us.

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"...vigorously defend Challengers rights " - against LE/TE - HAHAHA.
Absolutely.

You just have to watch that interview to see how strongly he feels about the bullshit protocol/CNEV situation & he made similarly strong public statements throughout the court battles, even filed Amicus on GGYC side.

 

He is a billionaire too (not sure how much of one?) so can afford to give a reasonable quality DoG battle if Larry starts trying to force dodgy rules.

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"...vigorously defend Challengers rights " - against LE/TE - HAHAHA.
Absolutely.

You just have to watch that interview to see how strongly he feels about the bullshit protocol/CNEV situation & he made similarly strong public statements throughout the court battles, even filed Amicus on GGYC side.

 

He is a billionaire too (not sure how much of one?) so can afford to give a reasonable quality DoG battle if Larry starts trying to force dodgy rules.

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He is a billionaire too (not sure how much of one?) so can afford to give a reasonable quality DoG battle if Larry starts trying to force dodgy rules." Isn't this kind of like being pregnant. How much doesn't matter. You are or you are not..

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Isn't this kind of like being pregnant. How much doesn't matter. You are or you are not..
Well if LE has spent $200 Million or so on this cup, he can afford it easily because he's worth double digits of billions but if VO is 'only' a low single-digit billionaire, that kind of expenditure would be pissing away a big chunk of his money & so unlikely to happen.
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Isn't this kind of like being pregnant. How much doesn't matter. You are or you are not..
Well if LE has spent $200 Million or so on this cup, he can afford it easily because he's worth double digits of billions but if VO is 'only' a low single-digit billionaire, that kind of expenditure would be pissing away a big chunk of his money & so unlikely to happen.

 

i am listening to Randy Smythe and Gary Jobson on ESPN360 this morning and they were talking about possible BOR venues and among the obvious San Fran and Valencia possibilities, they did speak about the growing rumors about Newport. Both San Fran and Newport have their respective logistical challenges, I wonder how it would work if Larry wanted to go with Newport. Would GGYC still be the defending yacht club? Or would Larry feel the need to challenge out of the AC traditional NYYC's Newport club? Anyone know if Larry has become a recent member of the NYYC? Perhaps he has always been...

 

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Isn't this kind of like being pregnant. How much doesn't matter. You are or you are not..
Well if LE has spent $200 Million or so on this cup, he can afford it easily because he's worth double digits of billions but if VO is 'only' a low single-digit billionaire, that kind of expenditure would be pissing away a big chunk of his money & so unlikely to happen.

 

i am listening to Randy Smythe and Gary Jobson on ESPN360 this morning and they were talking about possible BOR venues and among the obvious San Fran and Valencia possibilities, they did speak about the growing rumors about Newport. Both San Fran and Newport have their respective logistical challenges, I wonder how it would work if Larry wanted to go with Newport. Would GGYC still be the defending yacht club? Or would Larry feel the need to challenge out of the AC traditional NYYC's Newport club? Anyone know if Larry has become a recent member of the NYYC? Perhaps he has always been...

 

SB

If BMWO wins race 2 or three, GGYC will hold the cup...not Larry.

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