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Long time since I posted on this forum. We have now finished our sixth season with Flirt of Paget and we are so pleased with her and the performance she give us as a fairly light vessel and her eagern

We are going for a new engine this winter. Old one is out and new one will be installed from next week.

FOP's work makes me feel like I'm doing my restoration with a stone axe and flint knives.

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Fifth update, She was outside this winter due to lack of space in my normal shed, we made a tent with NOA supports in aluminium and a custom made cover. It worked out well but my spot is very open and not so nice when a strong W or SW blow in Gothenburg so I had to adjust and work on it the entire winter. The four last photos show the limited work we did wax, anti-fouling, polishing the prop and rigging.

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wow, just wow.. funny I was looking for this thread last Thursday night to give it a bump.

love this boat!!! still my alltime favorite thread on this site!

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11 hours ago, Bump-n-Grind said:

wow, just wow.. funny I was looking for this thread last Thursday night to give it a bump.

love this boat!!! still my alltime favorite thread on this site!

Thanks, it was fun to upload some photos of current status, I have a few new things I will show in a few weeks... //FOP

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On 2017-05-18 at 1:01 AM, groundhog said:

Thank you so much, FoP, for taking the time to post here!  As many have said, it is inspiration for our own work.  What I like most is the sheer competence of it all.

 

On 2017-05-15 at 8:32 PM, DRIFTW00D said:

Thanks for the new photos. You are a true craftsman. That old girl will be around for a while more. 

It is kind of fun to read old comments and see all the detailed work we have and still do on Flirt. Thanks for the appreciation.

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Yes, I appreciate the update and the new pictures. A great inspiration for those of us who enjoy bringing boats back to life and preserving a bit of history. The work and care you put into this project helps keep me from slacking off, even if I can’t aspire to anything like the same standard. 

Your posts also remind me of a short time I spent working in Gothenburg (with a local diving company) in the late ’80’s. A wonderful place. Had a great time. 

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On 5/19/2017 at 0:05 PM, Peter Askew said:

Very cool project, but wouldn't it have been easier to just build a new boat?

....that might have been asked back near the beginning of the project.......

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On 2017-05-19 at 7:05 PM, Peter Askew said:

Very cool project, but wouldn't it have been easier to just build a new boat?

You have missed the point, entirely.

This is not about easy, or money.

The OP actually makes this clear from start, gives his boat history and preferences.

Then he starts the adventure. He does it well, very well. With extremely good taste and skills.

Impressive!

 

/J

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On 2017-05-19 at 7:05 PM, Peter Askew said:

Very cool project, but wouldn't it have been easier to just build a new boat?

 

On 2017-05-31 at 7:17 PM, warbird said:

....that might have been asked back near the beginning of the project.......

 

On 2017-06-04 at 8:24 AM, Jaramaz said:

You have missed the point, entirely.

This is not about easy, or money.

The OP actually makes this clear from start, gives his boat history and preferences.

Then he starts the adventure. He does it well, very well. With extremely good taste and skills.

Impressive!

 

/J

As mentioned by Jaramaz this is not about doing it simple, I am driven by the restoration part of it, the history and bringing things back to original or better condition. To save and show that old things can shine.

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On 2017-05-20 at 6:44 AM, Oceanconcepts said:

Yes, I appreciate the update and the new pictures. A great inspiration for those of us who enjoy bringing boats back to life and preserving a bit of history. The work and care you put into this project helps keep me from slacking off, even if I can’t aspire to anything like the same standard. 

Your posts also remind me of a short time I spent working in Gothenburg (with a local diving company) in the late ’80’s. A wonderful place. Had a great time. 

 

On 2017-05-20 at 7:44 AM, Itsabimmerthing said:

Love the details, looks amazing. I'm planning putting my to weight watchers. Maybe next winter Just finished a big project with the bottom so need to tale a break and sail.

 

On 2017-06-07 at 7:55 AM, zenmasterfred said:

FOP, once again thank you for letting us follow your amazing adventure.  Flirt is truly a beauty and so great to see her sailing.  You deserve to be very proud of your yacht.

 

Here is a small update from last night, I have had some bad experience with my Lopolight and I saw a very nice yacht in Newport RI last year so I descided to make one last attempt to get them to work and make new pullpits and pushpits as well as stanchions and feet for them in my favorite material... The stanchions are not ready but in the making.

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bump bumpity bump bump bump

 

 

 

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Small update

I found this calendar on a recent trip to the US and by chance I checked the content and found Flirt as the August photo, maybe very artistic pic but boring for me seeking detailed photos of my yacht... Photos taken by Eric Schweikardt, if anyone have contact details to Eric, I tired FB pls PM me. The other photos show the de-commissioning this fall and a second post some more on the hard porn :unsure:

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Hi everybody,

Got permission from Beken of Cowes to post this nice old photo from Admirals Cup 1981. She's brand new and I presume Shorty is driving. Flirt is doing just fine and I will post some pictures and information what we did last year and what we plan to do this winter season if anybody is interested. We finished our fifth season with Flirt and are now planning a few bigger projects as well as a bunch smaller fix to make her better.

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along with the boat, restore this thread to it's former glory!

 

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Big things are going on, I will not reveal all details yet but some good stuff with Flirt is in the pipe, new engine, new rudder, upgrade on the rig with a discontinuous rod instead of the old continuous. Finalizing the table once the new motor and its cover is made. Some more super custom parts in Titanium etc. The biggest part will be saved until end of next week... 

Summer of 2017 was a good sailing year for us but unfortunately we hit a rock outside Gothenburg and we got a small leak at the first keel bolt. No visible structual damages and I was confident that my new floors and the aluminum backbone was strong enough.

Once on the hard the insurance company and a vendor came over and we all went over the hull and structure to determine the scope of work. Luckily there was no damages to the hull or engine bed only the leak and a small crack at the trailing edge of the keel. I removed the fiberglass around the keel in January and removed the kitchen and counter tops etc. 

Work called for me to be in Singapore for seven weeks until mid of May so not much work was performed on Flirt during this time...

The first photos show how we got the keel off and what it looked like. Keel weight 3054 kg

 

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Long time since I posted on this forum. We have now finished our sixth season with Flirt of Paget and we are so pleased with her and the performance she give us as a fairly light vessel and her eagerness to point high. She will be on the hard as from Friday this week due to a lot of work and no possibility to use her more this season. We have started to go carbon and invested in a Selden carbon boom this spring which is a great piece and very easy to like. We will get a quote for a new spar as well and maybe we are fully carbon next season. 

The winter 2018-29 I finally installed the Planus Race fully carbon fiber head, flushing with fresh water. Great system and a big improvement from the old GORCO head. I also replaced all the hoses for the pressure water with soft hoses and moved the water heater and installed a big pressure accumulator tank and finally installed the pump in a very soft mounting. Result is near perfection with less pumping and very low noise. 

 

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Wow!

 

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This is not directly related to FOP but both yachts attended the Admirals Cup 1981. Frank has bought Outsider in the US and taken her back to Germany for a restoration project. Interested persons can contact him on the attached mail address to get more detailed information about the project. I hope I can join in somehow to share my experience and possible knowledge how to restore old warhorses. 

I found her at Boot in Dusseldorf, we are here to look for some cool things to Flirt for summer 2020.

//FOP

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Long time since I updated things here. I have had a busy boat year so far and a lot of things has been done and upgraded on Flirt despite Covid 19 and close-down in so many places. Luckily for us in Sweden it has been ok to work and practice your hobbies if just keep social distancing and hygiene etc. First post is just a test to show my happy crew in front of Flirt of Paget last summer. File is small so I just want to test and see if the resolution is OK.

Let me know if you want updates on;

  • New main sheet system
  • New engine installation
  • New instrument system
  • New anchoring system
  • New mast and custom made hardware
  • New interior details

This project topic is rather old now and maybe it's time for new projects to be uploaded here, let me know.

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We have been sailing with a padeye for our main sail sheet. Works ok but does not give me much option to trim and it looks cool with a near full beam track I have been think out a way to make this myself. Despite the fact that Lewmar Racing gear is a bit heavy I like the design and sharp angles and corners. I have been searching ebay and stores when going to US east and west coast. Finally back in the fall of 2018 I found a brand new size 2 car and one end stop with proper cleats and sheaves, see photo. No luck to find another one so project was halted again. Made a design for the beam holding the track and ordered a mold in MDF.

Finally last year I found two endstops on ebay and I had my mold for the track, 2350 mm. 

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Initial idea was to have the beam easy to move since it will block the entrance. Hence the reason to get a very snug fit without any gaps for maximum strength. I put vacuum bag on the deck and stretched it really well before the carbon fiber was put in place with epoxy. Used a simple marker pen and a wood block with a hole to fit the marker and transfered the deck profile to the beam, fairly simple and the result is great. 

Cut out pieces from the deck/cockpit carbon fiber to be glued into the beam.

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Made some additional holes in the track to hold down the endstop. Marine grade aluminium glued in for the fasteners, trail fitting, yes it flexed at the narrow part. Finally a few pictures of all items installed. It's not full beam but definitely over average.

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Once the beam was (to my opinion) strong enough with directional fiber I used a few layers of bi-axel fiber and on top a 200 g twill to give it traditional carbon fiber look. Applied a few layers of clear epoxy before starting to prep it for clear-coat, currently today the beam has been primed with Awlgrip 545 clear and soon the clear-coat. 

Btw the product Awlgrip Epoxy primer 545 clear is obsolete since a few years. Does anyone sit on a surplus stock I would be interested to take all the measures to buy it from you and also arrange with freight and packing so it could safely travel to Sweden. Pls contact me if you have some stuff available or know were it might be possible to buy.

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Another upgrade I have been thinking about was to replace the old Schaffer Marine mast base block. I have been searching for something for some time and realized that either I need to modify the mast collar to handle different bolt pattern or I need to make the mast base block to fit my mast collar. I decided again for a old Lewmar racing design but made to fit on my boat, the Lewmar sheave is not very easy to turn since it has sleeve and balls. Finally in January I visited the Dusseldorf boat show and meet with UBI MAIOR and Italian hardware manufacturer, I bought sheaves that fit perfect to my custom made base. It looks kind of cool with the yellow anodization, shaft is Titanium Gr 5 as well as the washer and M6 fastener. 

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Just astounding..... Great thread! I’m glad to have discovered this.

keep up the brilliant work.
I may need to wear a bib as drooling seems inevitable.:D

Thanks for sharing.

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Here is another update, our backrests serve as storage, anything from life jackets to hoover and we have only had a few shelves made a few years ago. This winter I made a complete set of shelves and now they are in the process of being varnished. I made plywood strips say 50x5 mm and various lengths a bunch of small clams and I could get a really good fit and a accurate template to put on the carbon fiber sheets I made. The front is made of Zebrano wood, also referred to as zebra wood, its satisfactory to make everything as light as possible.

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1 hour ago, Snowden said:

FOP, are those carbon sheets cored? If so, what do you use and how do you seal the edges, if you see what I mean?

I have made these sheets from regular divinylcell 5 and 10 mm, impregnating them with resin applied the carbon fiber, peel-ply and then cured them in a veneer press. I am cheating, I will not do anything with the edges. They shelves will only see kitchen appliances, winch handles, a few life jackets etc so they are unprotected.

I did dividers for the cutlery a few years back and then I sealed the top by wetting strips of carbon fiber and simply put the divider standing on the edge with a weight on the wet fiber. Next morning I took a knife and cut of the excess material and sanded the edges prior varnishing. I don't know if this make sence but it is rather easy.

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8 minutes ago, Flirt of paget said:

I have made these sheets from regular divinylcell 5 and 10 mm, impregnating them with resin applied the carbon fiber, peel-ply and then cured them in a veneer press. I am cheating, I will not do anything with the edges. They shelves will only see kitchen appliances, winch handles, a few life jackets etc so they are unprotected.

I did dividers for the cutlery a few years back and then I sealed the top by wetting strips of carbon fiber and simply put the divider standing on the edge with a weight on the wet fiber. Next morning I took a knife and cut of the excess material and sanded the edges prior varnishing. I don't know if this make sence but it is rather easy.

Makes total sense, thanks. I am thinking of making a CF washboard (which will need a bit more protection) hence the interest

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3 minutes ago, Snowden said:

No, I mean the vertical plate to go in the companionway hatch.

We bloody foreigners, we don't understand everything...:rolleyes: It is absolutely manageable, however I would use one coat with blackened resin on the divinylcell core in case you get over enthusiastic when you do the sanding and break the fiber. Depending on thickness maybe making it out of two or three 5 mm to get it super stiff and strong.

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4 minutes ago, Flirt of paget said:

We bloody foreigners, we don't understand everything...:rolleyes: It is absolutely manageable, however I would use one coat with blackened resin on the divinylcell core in case you get over enthusiastic when you do the sanding and break the fiber. Depending on thickness maybe making it out of two or three 5 mm to get it super stiff and strong.

haha, better than my Swedish :) thanks for that, very helpful. will see how i get on

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On 5/25/2020 at 3:57 PM, Flirt of paget said:

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I like how you routed out the backs of the zebra wood.  That stuff is heavy (and very hard on cutters).  Nice job!

Do you use a CNC machine or is your work done the old fashioned way?

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13 hours ago, Jules said:

I like how you routed out the backs of the zebra wood.  That stuff is heavy (and very hard on cutters).  Nice job!

Do you use a CNC machine or is your work done the old fashioned way?

I do it the old fashioned way. 

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I have been planning to upgrade our navigation system for a few years and started to collect hardware. I really enjoy the process and I try to evaluate the options and often go for a custom solution, based on some cools stuff seen in real life during yacht spotting. I planned to make a custom made pod for the new Axiom plotter and got some inspiration from Wally on Youtube.

Below you can see how we did, a bottom and a top and titanium sheet metal 2 mm wrapped around it. To make it more artistic yet lighter I made the additional milling in the bottom part. There is also a  chamfer to allow for the 2 mm sheet metal to have a good support. The arms are water cut from 20 mm plate and then CNC milled. Take a look at the fasteners, not regular Allen screws, do you see what is "wrong". 

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On 10/15/2014 at 2:13 PM, Flirt of paget said:

 

3 x Thank you. well a new boat is not in sight now... but a 45 ft aluminium boat from 1984 could be cool.

I dont think I said "new" ;) I think I said "another". patiently awaiting news.....  cheers mate

 

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3 hours ago, Bump-n-Grind said:

I dont think I said "new" ;) I think I said "another". patiently awaiting news.....  cheers mate

 

I'm lurking around this yacht, same designer but 50ft, she's in terrible condition. Cost a fortune to transport her to Sweden. 

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looks great from a distance!

boats from that era have the prettiest lines

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what is that chain for? I that to adjust inboard pole height?

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2 hours ago, Flirt of paget said:

I'm lurking around this yacht, same designer but 50ft, she's in terrible condition. Cost a fortune to transport her to Sweden. 

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You need to start making detailed videos of what you're doing.  And I'm serious about this.  You could pay for the refits with the proceeds if you develop a good following.

There's no shortage of YouTubers who do this and make a lot of money along the way. 

The stuff you do is something I believe a shitload of people around the world would love to watch the progress.  Consider it.  

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12 hours ago, Flirt of paget said:

I have been planning to upgrade our navigation system for a few years and started to collect hardware. I really enjoy the process and I try to evaluate the options and often go for a custom solution, based on some cools stuff seen in real life during yacht spotting. I planned to make a custom made pod for the new Axiom plotter and got some inspiration from Wally on Youtube.

Below you can see how we did, a bottom and a top and titanium sheet metal 2 mm wrapped around it. To make it more artistic yet lighter I made the additional milling in the bottom part. There is also a  chamfer to allow for the 2 mm sheet metal to have a good support. The arms are water cut from 20 mm plate and then CNC milled. Take a look at the fasteners, not regular Allen screws, do you see what is "wrong". 

Now everything is prepared for glas blasting and assembly.

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I could really learn to hate you.

What's with the 5 sided "Allen" fasteners? Purpose?

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22 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

What's with the 5 sided "Allen" fasteners? Purpose?

Generally used for theft prevention, or in anti-tampering applications. Also seen on Bimmer stereo bits.

Interesting detail for this build, regardless. 

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On 5/25/2020 at 12:36 AM, Flirt of paget said:

Long time since I updated things here. I have had a busy boat year so far and a lot of things has been done and upgraded on Flirt despite Covid 19 and close-down in so many places. Luckily for us in Sweden it has been ok to work and practice your hobbies if just keep social distancing and hygiene etc. First post is just a test to show my happy crew in front of Flirt of Paget last summer. File is small so I just want to test and see if the resolution is OK.

Let me know if you want updates on;

  • New main sheet system
  • New engine installation
  • New instrument system
  • New anchoring system
  • New mast and custom made hardware
  • New interior details

This project topic is rather old now and maybe it's time for new projects to be uploaded here, let me know.

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Excellent that you are both posting and being highly productive again despite the circumstances.

With respect to the List you make above, I for one hope you can update us on ALL of Them.

Fair winds, stay safe.

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On 5/14/2017 at 9:06 AM, Flirt of paget said:

Fifth update, She was outside this winter due to lack of space in my normal shed, we made a tent with NOA supports in aluminium and a custom made cover. It worked out well but my spot is very open and not so nice when a strong W or SW blow in Gothenburg so I had to adjust and work on it the entire winter. The four last photos show the limited work we did wax, anti-fouling, polishing the prop and rigging.

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Nice job!

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On 5/28/2020 at 3:29 AM, SloopJonB said:

I could really learn to hate you.

What's with the 5 sided "Allen" fasteners? Purpose?

 

On 5/29/2020 at 2:37 AM, randii said:

Generally used for theft prevention, or in anti-tampering applications. Also seen on Bimmer stereo bits.

Interesting detail for this build, regardless. 

Yes, correct an attempt to stop theft... but of course you can remove it anyway if you have time and interest. 

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On 5/29/2020 at 6:41 AM, Boink said:

Excellent that you are both posting and being highly productive again despite the circumstances.

With respect to the List you make above, I for one hope you can update us on ALL of Them.

Fair winds, stay safe.

Hey Boink, you well get updates. New mast is literally in transit, should arrive on Friday June 5, in the meantime you will get a few glimpses of what is going on here. Last year I upgraded with a new Selden carbon boom (# 735 above), a little longer and incredible light compared with the old one, 36-37 kg vs. 8-9 kg yet 400 mm longer. This year I planned to proceed with the mast and new rod rig and a truckload with other tings going along with such a major job. I had ongoing discussions and firm quotes from all vendors I talked to, only Hall spars had an attitude promising to get back and provide quotes but no output or quotes, maybe my project was too small?? I have done a few suveveys visiting facilities both in Europe and US so I feel I have a good grip of this :blink:. With current pandemic it has been impossible to follow the build and do site visits so I really hope it's going to be fine.

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5 hours ago, Flirt of paget said:

Hey Boink, you well get updates. New mast is literally in transit, should arrive on Friday June 5, in the meantime you will get a few glimpses of what is going on here. Last year I upgraded with a new Selden carbon boom (# 735 above), a little longer and incredible light compared with the old one, 36-37 kg vs. 8-9 kg yet 400 mm longer. This year I planned to proceed with the mast and new rod rig and a truckload with other tings going along with such a major job. I had ongoing discussions and firm quotes from all vendors I talked to, only Hall spars had an attitude promising to get back and provide quotes but no output or quotes, maybe my project was too small?? I have done a few suveveys visiting facilities both in Europe and US so I feel I have a good grip of this :blink:. With current pandemic it has been impossible to follow the build and do site visits so I really hope it's going to be fine.

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Fabulous stuff happening here. Thank You FOP!

Quite literally in awe of the quality of workmanship that you bestow on your pretty Lady. Please included as much detail on all aspects as you can be bothered to describe. I am guessing that the hunt to shed weight (mass) is the driving factor behind the new engine, carbon fibre toilet, carbon fibre everywhere that is not either originial Wood, Zebra wood (v.cool and v.beautiful) or titanium. What finish did you use on that propeller - Looks more like high end Door Handles finish, than a propeller..... Do you use PropSpeed just before launch or stay with the varnish?

A new rig will transform her characteristics should the weight savings follow the route suggested by boom upgrade. Are New Sails planned? 

Is the Red Dye & White paint a means of Weld checking - or is there something else going on here? Speader Tip Cups - Titanium or SS (looks to be SS to my eye)? New Chainplates following a rig re-design? Material? 

I see you and your Lady has made an appearance in the Luna Rossa Thread #3218...... Nice!

Looking forward to seeing lots more. Fingers crossed your new rig arrives on time and everything fits like a glove. Figure you are planning splash time in readiness for Mid Summer festivities. 

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On 5/30/2020 at 12:01 AM, Flirt of paget said:

I believe so, never seen it before. It is a STEARN mast from back in the day. 

Had a chain drive, butt end set up for dual poles on the mast of 1975 Ericson 46. Proctor spar and poles with Forespar donkey dick fittings. Mine was bulletproof  and held up way better than yours. If you want to keep the chain drive for nostalgia purposes , shop around and I bet you can find a salvageable set up that would make a nice looking replacement.

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Fantastic work, as usual , beautiful tig work on those welds.
 

Bit of a throw back so maybe you can't remember now but could I ask what you used for your honeycomb core panels that you built the interior from & who your supplier is? (Since you're European based)
Also, your non-skid still looks fantastic, did you spray it with griptex from the gun, or roll it on?

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