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what a bunch of worthless posts. Apparently nobody who read the thread read the link from the 3rd post explaining the mob, and now there are 50 different opinions about the insurance. The SA forums really did become irrelevant circa 2007...

 

Nice one Einstein/hall room monitor, Perhaps you should follow your own advice.

 

Apparently you didn't see the MOB (23 sec) before the actual incident, the article was published very early and does not provide any facts other than two were injured and the boat was indeed racing but does not explain the MOB. The real facts will come out in due time.

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It looks like steerer and trim had opposite ideas.

If I had to pre-empt an inquiry, the logical explanation has to be the person with ultimate decision-making was below having the bowel movement of a lifetime.

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'ey mate, 'old me beer and watch this....

 

 

Brilliant ... Best yet ....

 

BTW - I reckon when you look the MOB you see someone jump in and start swimming like buggery ... Am sure you see some elbow flailing action before the deserter dissappears behind the transom ...

 

Oh and while we're having at it ... it's a girlie name for a racing boat ... Guess he's about to learn the art of singlehanded sailing ...

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I have a policy from the main UK marine insurance provider. There is no such clause. There are references to "due diligence", "acts of recklessness" and "wilful misconduct" but I've never heard of an insurance company refusing to pay up on those grounds.Fairly unlikely however that he'll get marine insurance again any time soon.

 

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only a civil or commercial court can decide if recklessness or wilful misconduct has occurred.

 

the trigger for this court action is most likely a refusal by the insurer to settle the claim

 

 

 

 

...................... or a conviction in another ( magistrates ? / criminal ?) court

 

 

 

 

.............. the train is leaving the station ..............

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From Y&Y Online this morning

 

"Cowes Week Limited has been in contact with the hospital, the owner of the boat, and ABP since the collision between a tanker and the racing yacht Atalanta earlier this afternoon. They are delighted to confirm that the hospital has discharged the injured crew member.

 

An official investigation on the incident will be carried out in due course."

 

For those not in the UK, ABP is Associated British Ports

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Visible scratches on the tankers bow ...

 

To confirm the SIs include a section on the exclusion zone (as they always do) and they a laminated chart showing the area is provided. SIs are on the event website. Below is the official Port diagram, the collision was in the turning area (see Caution One). The start/finish and race course passes through here too and does so every year.

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I'll add something more here.. I raced these waters for many many years, including 10 or so Cowes Weeks.

 

The blue motorboat with yellow stripe as seen at 00:20 on the vid heading left to right (back past the ship close in) is the pilot boat, which from my recollection of these events would have been "leading the parade" out through the racing. He SHOULD be a good few hundred meters in front of the ship, as escort.

 

However, as clearly visible - firstly he motors straight past the yacht just before it hits, and also the question why has he not seen this unfolding way before this accident?

 

I'd say the Pilot is in hot water too... Why didn't he see this? Why didn't he do something?

 

I completely agree this is 100% mess by the skipper of the yacht, but just for anyone who hasn't done this regatta before, these big ships come fast and quiet (especially when the focus is on the sails and racing), and also at the point on this video the big ships are making a couple of "very tight" turns for boats of this size - hence their behaviour can be "somewhat unpredictable".

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I'd say the Pilot is in hot water too... Why didn't he see this? Why didn't he do something?

 

Interesting question and well spotted. Possibly he returned to try and deflect the yacht but it doesn't really look like that. Or possibly he is on his way out to another ship. Normally though I'd expect the escort to continue up to Fawley.

 

Don't really agree the ships are hard to spot, or more precisely, spotting and anticipating them is part of racing in the Solent (which I've done for 3 decades, including many Cowes Weeks as skipper and as crew). Not there this year alas.

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It's a pilot vessel, possibly not the one guiding the tanker. The pilots are normally very active in advertising their presence and informing yachts etc if they think they are in the wrong place. During Cowes Week however there can be 100's of yachts in the turning zone.

 

I agree with dogwatch - commercial shipping is part of Solent racing and all the big ships have to make that turn, only a very few smaller vessels take the Needles Channel (ie go straight on).

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Good point, Carbon. Actually, looking at that still, there's quite a bit of white water in front of the tanker - a long way ahead of any bow thrusters. I've gone back to the video footage, and the Pilot boat absolutely floors it from left to right; it's wash from the Pilot, heading in the opposite direction to the tanker. Interesting. Was the Pilot also busy getting out of the way, or is it something we can't see out of frame?

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what a bunch of worthless posts. Apparently nobody who read the thread read the link from the 3rd post explaining the mob, and now there are 50 different opinions about the insurance. The SA forums really did become irrelevant circa 2007...

 

Okay genius please show us where exactly in that link the MOB was explained? Because according to said link it was due to the collision. If you watched the vid the first MOB was clearly NOT because of the collision. The person either abandoned ship deliberately or fell off BEFORE the contact. So do explain.

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During last week's Santa Barbara to King Harbor race a U.S. Navy ocean-going tug was towing some sort of Navy utility ship right across the course about 5 miles from Santa Cruz Island. Someone on the bridge hailed several times (at least three times) on VHF 16 with a sécurité announcement describing the location and visual appearance of the Naval Operation in progress. Never-the-less three or so boats opted to "go for it" and cross the bows of the tug and towed vessel. There were at least two "five horn" warnings.

 

Finally what sounded like a much more senior officer came on the radio and hailed very slowly and distinctly (as if he were talking to idiots) something like this:

 

"Listen: We are the
big gray boat
towing the
other big gray boat
. If you don't keep clear you will be reported to
Homeland Security
immediately."

 

* the accented words were spoken that way by the officer

 

I was surprised that none of the 90-boat fleet attempted to contact the Navy on the radio.

I was surprised that several of the boats decided to challenge the Navy.

I was surprised we didn't see a couple of helos or fast intercept boats come out and escort the offending boats to port.

 

My guess is that very few boats had the presence of mind to monitor the radio in the vicinity of heavy traffic.

 

SE, unfortunately, in my experience racers tune their radio to the RC channel du jour and don't maintain proper radio watch. It's part of why RockIt has two radios - a handheld in the cockpit usually tuned to the RC and a base station down below on scan. I generally have 9,13,16, 1 weather channel, and a couple other local channels tagged and the volume turned up so we can hear the securites, pan pans, and maydays.

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I completely agree this is 100% mess by the skipper of the yacht ........

 

NUFF SED

 

What was the Pilot boat doing, Pilots culpability, predictability of tankers course, stealth ships, concentrating on sail trim not traffic ???? .... Blah blah who cares ....

 

Atlanta of Chesto'drawers put herself in the position relative to the tanker, not the other way round, with a perfect ability to assess a situation and make a decision based upon more available choices, the rules of the day & good seamanship - the middle being based on the latter specific to the SI's & regularly occuring traffic conditions .... Plain & simple

 

Banged to rights - The jury is no longer out

 

(oh - I lied about the nuff sed bit ....)

 

Glad nobody was badly hurt though - nobody wants that aye ....

 

(lied again)

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I'd say the Pilot is in hot water too... Why didn't he see this? Why didn't he do something?

 

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Fair go

 

 

poor Pilot was flat out herding cats (monohulled ones )

 

real pussies have developed the ability to not put themselves in danger

 

 

Start of incident was when Pilot hailed the yacht

 

Pilot would have left station ahead of tanker to do that

 

listen to audio

 

and then Pilot came back along the tanker

 

he did all he could to prevent the darwin attempt

 

I am still amazed that the mobs both came out alive

 

as previous posters have said, lucky it was not a T- Bone

 

 

 

Is that troll who is trying to paint a picure of the mob's as being the CAUSE of the incident

 

someone who knows or is very close to

 

the yacht skipper ?

 

 

 

 

btw

 

2 mobs picked up by 2 different boats ( ribs ? )

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I just did a quick Google. The boat was previously called That's Life. It's a Harley Corby 33 and was based in Galway for a good few years. It was sold to the UK last Summer/Autumn.

I'd say the boat is worth less than the fine the skipper is going to get.

What a dick!!!

 

This yacht seems to hold some bad luck in it somewhere. It sank at its mooring in Galway a few years back, not sure why.

 

Its had a prety tough time of it since it was sold.

 

When it was leaving Galway on a truck, they drove under a low bridge which pulled the mast off. The mast was tied down to the cockpit winches so it managed to pull them out too.

 

later in the trip when it was being lifted back into the water, one of the lifting slings caught underneath the saildrive and managed to drive the whole thing including engine up through the bottom of the boat.

 

and now this.....

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If you look very carefully to the direction the shuttle tanker is travelling, you may notice that during the clip it would appear that it is on a straight course right to left. As the clip nears its end, suddenly the transom is at a distinct angle which would suggest that it was already performing a sharp turn to starboard before the collision with the racer. This would undoubtedly confuse the skipper as the clearing distance would suddenly be non existant.

R

 

 

As the tanker was entering the turning circle next to the Bramble Bank to turn from the Solent into Southampton Water, only a skipper who hadn't done any preparation wouldn't know that that was about to happen. There's a diagram in the SIs and it happens every 15 mins or so.

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I just did a quick Google. The boat was previously called That's Life. It's a Harley Corby 33 and was based in Galway for a good few years. It was sold to the UK last Summer/Autumn.

I'd say the boat is worth less than the fine the skipper is going to get.

What a dick!!!

 

This yacht seems to hold some bad luck in it somewhere. It sank at its mooring in Galway a few years back, not sure why.

 

Its had a prety tough time of it since it was sold.

 

When it was leaving Galway on a truck, they drove under a low bridge which pulled the mast off. The mast was tied down to the cockpit winches so it managed to pull them out too.

 

later in the trip when it was being lifted back into the water, one of the lifting slings caught underneath the saildrive and managed to drive the whole thing including engine up through the bottom of the boat.

 

and now this.....

 

Burn it. This boat is clearly cursed.

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plus he will have been blasting a bloody great horn to tell everyone which way he was turning!

Seems he didn't hear that or the 5 blasts either, can you imagine that boat doing an offshore in fog?! :o

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It's a pilot vessel, possibly not the one guiding the tanker. The pilots are normally very active in advertising their presence and informing yachts etc if they think they are in the wrong place. During Cowes Week however there can be 100's of yachts in the turning zone.

 

I agree with dogwatch - commercial shipping is part of Solent racing and all the big ships have to make that turn, only a very few smaller vessels take the Needles Channel (ie go straight on).

 

 

According to a friend who was racing close by, the pilot boat had turned back and was audibly telling the yacht not to enter the Moving Prohibition Zone in front of the tanker and to turn away. At the last moment he veered away to prevent getting mullerred.

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plus he will have been blasting a bloody great horn to tell everyone which way he was turning!

Seems he didn't hear that or the 5 blasts either, can you imagine that boat doing an offshore in fog?! :o

 

I'd rather not thanks

 

I'd be really intrigued to hear the radio chat between the escorting pilot boat, the pilot on the bridge and tug at the stern.

 

Got to say having watched it again I'm not entirely sure where the escorting pilot boat is going in that clip - but those guys are super professional, so sure there is probably a very good explanation.

 

As others have said they were bloody lucky not to be killed!

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It's a pilot vessel, possibly not the one guiding the tanker. The pilots are normally very active in advertising their presence and informing yachts etc if they think they are in the wrong place. During Cowes Week however there can be 100's of yachts in the turning zone.

 

I agree with dogwatch - commercial shipping is part of Solent racing and all the big ships have to make that turn, only a very few smaller vessels take the Needles Channel (ie go straight on).

 

 

According to a friend who was racing close by, the pilot boat had turned back and was audibly telling the yacht not to enter the Moving Prohibition Zone in front of the tanker and to turn away. At the last moment he veered away to prevent getting mullerred.

 

Sounds about right - they are usually very active in trying to stop Darwin Award attempts and this explains it. This story even made the Daily Hate (sorry, Mail)!

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unfortunately, in my experience racers tune their radio to the RC channel du jour and don't maintain proper radio watch.

Of course.

 

But when you see a Big Gray Boat towing another Big Gray Boat and aimed right at you, it is in your best interest to be as informed as possible about their intentions.

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Talk about miscalculating the cross. The skipper should be locked up for a long time and not allowed to race.

 

A freighter captain told me once, you know what they hear on board when a freighter hits a sailboat: nothing.

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I'd check your insurance policy. Most include clauses to the effect that if there is damage caused by an illegal act (and this would be right up there) then at most they might cover the others involved, but you're on your own.

 

I have a policy from the main UK marine insurance provider. There is no such clause. There are references to "due diligence", "acts of recklessness" and "wilful misconduct" but I've never heard of an insurance company refusing to pay up on those grounds.Fairly unlikely however that he'll get marine insurance again any time soon.

 

 

I do not think the insurance carrier will pay this claim based on the reckless actions of the boat, unless they can prove that they somehow had no other option but to try and cross and were unaware of the large orange, horn blowng vessel which had right of way...

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Talk about miscalculating the cross. The skipper should be locked up for a long time and not allowed to race.

 

A freighter captain told me once, you know what they hear on board when a freighter hits a sailboat: nothing.

 

http://www.aamcowesweek.co.uk/web/code/php/main_c.php?map=cw11&ui=cw1&style=std&override=&section=takingpart&page=boatdetails2011&boatref=486

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Talk about miscalculating the cross. The skipper should be locked up for a long time and not allowed to race.

 

A freighter captain told me once, you know what they hear on board when a freighter hits a sailboat: nothing.

 

http://www.aamcowesweek.co.uk/web/code/php/main_c.php?map=cw11&ui=cw1&style=std&override=&section=takingpart&page=boatdetails2011&boatref=486

Well that cleared it all up??

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If so , he needs to do some more thinking!

He needs to think about the "narrow channel constrained by draft" rule. He did NOT have rights.

He needs to think about the "who else will he hit instead of me" rule. There were enough boats around that the tanker would hit SOMEONE if he avoided that one sailboat. I'd rather leave a mark on the guy that pulled in front of me, not the innocent bystanders.

He needs to think about the "laws of physics" rule. At the point the video started, the tanker was going to hit him NO MATTER WHAT the helmsman did.

He needs to think about how much more his insurance will cost next year :lol:

 

 

But, but, I have priority! I have sailboat!

 

Scarily, I wonder if that is exactly what he was thinking.

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I have a policy from the main UK marine insurance provider. There is no such clause. There are references to "due diligence", "acts of recklessness" and "wilful misconduct" but I've never heard of an insurance company refusing to pay up on those grounds.Fairly unlikely however that he'll get marine insurance again any time soon.

 

"Due Diligence": not reading the SIs?

"Acts of Recklessness": cutting in front of a 1000-ft vessel of limited mobility?

"Wilful Misconduct": Placing others' lives at risk for a sailboat race?

 

Pretty sure all those phrases have legal weight, and that the insurance company will use them to their full strength.

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Undoubtedly they saw it but thought they could sneak in front, wouldnt have helped them though as violating the moving exclusion zone these things have would have led to the race committee protesting them and a very large fine anyway.

 

I sat, the other day, listening to an experienced captain of a cruising boat, that also does charters, talk about how he prefers to sail in front of large ships than behind when crossing the Strait of Juan de Fuca in Washington State.

 

His rationale? He avoids the wake that way.

 

I had no words.

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Maybe the skipper should go back to Sabots and learn how to sail and the rules of the road.

 

The guy is a total f...ing moron

 

Raises an interesting thought. What do you do after becoming a Youtube sensation like that? Whose going to try to hang with the guys in your fleet of at the club? Would have to really like very short, awkward conversations. These would be the norm while trying to round up a new crew too.

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Looks horrific and thank God no one was seriously hurt, it surprises me that they're aren't more accidents in the Solent during Cowes Week and other busy regattas.

 

I hope the skipper and crew don't read this thread - lots of smart alec nob head comments.

 

I'm guessing all the crew feel bad enough without the 90% asshole comments on here. Yes they made a mistake, I'm assuming everyone posting here has never made or will never make a mistake (that includes no car crashes, falling over, random acts of stupidity) in their life?

 

I've never hit a ship in the Solent but have had my fair share of near misses and general acts of idiocy....

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Why would the Pilot be in trouble????? Watch this clip

 

 

The vessels speed is governed by the Port authority. She would be following posted harbor speeds .In addition having a deep draft and narrow channel will effect the squat characteristics. At 12 knots she would come down approx 2-4 meters. Judging by the bow wave and the transit based on the anchored boats in the fore ground her speed is about 4-8 Her turning circle is greatly enlarged at slow speeds. Try this on your own sailboat. To avoid something dead ahead increase engine rpm to get the water flow over the rudder and hard over. Try it at dead slow and hard over, see how big your turning circle is then! Now go back to uTube and turn the sound UP. You hear some loud ships horn blaring?? That is the DANGER signal. Look it up in COLREGS. I would say the pilot had situational awareness and was warning the yacht they were standing into danger. There is no hand brake on a ship. It's not an Aston Martin. That vessel is constrained by her draft. What is it you would have that ship do???

Another observation. The dweeb who jumped overboard should be charged with desertion. NEVER leave a yacht until it leaves you. I hope he had a life jacket on. Watch the yacht transit the bow. She is PICKED up by the bow wave that is about 1.5 meters high. You can see her settle down on the port side of the vessel lower than see was earlier in the clip. Modern ships sport a bulbous bow. If you have a keel yacht the initial hit will be to the keel than heel over into the ship. This shows that if you stay with the boat you ride up and over the bow wave. Any one who says her RAPID turning in the channel disoriented the yacht is on drugs. This is a 3 football long ship painted BRIGHT ORANGE. If you can't see this ship get off the water and take up golf.

This happened to me just a few weeks ago on another tanker. Go to start of the forum

 

http://forums.sailin...1

 

This is the quote I love sharing with other pilots after this individual watched the safety video. Obviously not enough Hollywood in it for him.

 

 

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I want my 12 minutes back... A study should be conducted to see if this has led to an increased suicide rate among those who have viewed it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'll add something more here.. I raced these waters for many many years, including 10 or so Cowes Weeks.

 

The blue motorboat with yellow stripe as seen at 00:20 on the vid heading left to right (back past the ship close in) is the pilot boat, which from my recollection of these events would have been "leading the parade" out through the racing. He SHOULD be a good few hundred meters in front of the ship, as escort.

 

However, as clearly visible - firstly he motors straight past the yacht just before it hits, and also the question why has he not seen this unfolding way before this accident?

 

I'd say the Pilot is in hot water too... Why didn't he see this? Why didn't he do something?

 

I completely agree this is 100% mess by the skipper of the yacht, but just for anyone who hasn't done this regatta before, these big ships come fast and quiet (especially when the focus is on the sails and racing), and also at the point on this video the big ships are making a couple of "very tight" turns for boats of this size - hence their behaviour can be "somewhat unpredictable".

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A comment posted on the Daily Echo website:

 

"We were right behind this yacht in our yacht and watched the collision. There was an exclusion zone around the channel which was clearly announced earlier by radio. Atalanta had no right to be where she was. Her pink spinnaker caught on the tanker's anchor and the mast bent back and was ripped off. The wind was between 8 and 12 knots at the time and there was simply not enough power available to the yacht to make this reckless maneuver. The tanker sent up great plumes of water as it attempted to use it's bow thrusters and the tug behind it was attempting to slow it down. It seemed as if the yacht would make it but the spinnacker backed slightly as the yacht changed course from a run to a reach. It really was a no brainer and a collision was inevitable. I also have to add that current was not part of the equation as at the time of the collision there was very little."

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... If I had to pre-empt an inquiry, the logical explanation has to be the person with ultimate decision-making was below having the bowel movement of a lifetime.

 

I suspect the exact location of the the person with ultimate decision-making authority had no effect whatsoever on the occurrence of the bowel movement in question ...

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..... I'm assuming everyone posting here has never made or will never make a mistake (that includes no car crashes, falling over, random acts of stupidity) in their life?

 

....hopefully not like THAT one :o:blink:

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Kinda like this clip.

 

 

I was waiting for the freighter to drop the port anchor right on deck of the offending bug... take the whole mess to the bottom..

EXACTLY, except the anchor on the big orange girl was about a third the size of the sailboat, and the 3/4" foam core would not have slowed it down much at all... :)

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I was there, I filmed it too....

[/url] I couldn't believe my eyes, it looked like they were struggling with the rigging. One guy jumped overboard just before the impact, another got a gash to the head when the mast came down. The MOB was recovered within 3 minutes. A minute or two before they collided there was some authorities boat with blue flashing lights, maybe coastguard, between the two vessels, in a vein attempt to prevent the inevitable.
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I looked it up because i was curious

 

Cowes Week,

 

Precautionary area

All Vessels over 150 meters in length navigating in the precautionary area will be given a Moving Prohibitory Zone of 1000' meters ahead and 100 meters to either side. vessel's under 20 meters in length are prohibited from entering this zone.

 

Right there on the same page as all the mark information. How many 70' yachts race at Cowes week?

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WTF???

This like the guy that called Mayday because he hit the Bay Bridge on a clear sunny afternoon.

It isn't like this tanker was invisible!

 

 

..... I'm assuming everyone posting here has never made or will never make a mistake (that includes no car crashes, falling over, random acts of stupidity) in their life?

 

....hopefully not like THAT one :o:blink:

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I was there, I filmed it too....

[/url] I couldn't believe my eyes, it looked like they were struggling with the rigging. One guy jumped overboard just before the impact, another got a gash to the head when the mast came down. The MOB was recovered within 3 minutes. A minute or two before they collided there was some authorities boat with blue flashing lights, maybe coastguard, between the two vessels, in a vein attempt to prevent the inevitable.

yours show the pilot boat getting out of the way of the ship literally seconds before impact. Yours also shows the ship flogging the crap out of their spinaker 10 seconds before hand.

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The real irony here is that if they had managed to keep the chute trimmed correctly, they might have made it!

This does not excuse the manuever but may lend evidence to the chaos on board before the crash.

 

-Jaya

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The dweeb who jumped overboard should be charged with desertion.

Bullshit! Unless he's the one who led the crew into such an absurd and dangerous situation, or it was an accident falling overboard, he looks to me like the smartest person on that sailboat.

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The dweeb who jumped overboard should be charged with desertion.

Bullshit! Unless he's the one who led the crew into such an absurd and dangerous situation, or it was an accident falling overboard, he looks to me like the smartest person on that sailboat.

 

Actually, that was the skipper.

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btw,

 

............ still almost 200,000 tons and nearly 1000 feet long is no toy ...........

 

 

 

 

 

 

the yacht was clearly on starboard and the tanker collided while not maintaining course ( turning )

 

the tanker also stole the spinnaker and mast from the yacht

 

thereby gaining an unfair advantage

 

 

the yacht should lodge a protest !

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btw,

 

............ still almost 200,000 tons and nearly 1000 feet long is no toy ...........

 

 

 

 

 

 

the yacht was clearly on starboard and the tanker collided while not maintaining course ( turning )

 

the tanker also stole the spinnaker and mast from the yacht

 

thereby gaining an unfair advantage

 

 

the yacht should lodge a protest !

 

Wrong. The tanker was leeward boat. The yacht failed to keep clear. DSQ. No matter how many times they do a 360 around the prop too.

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Anyone know anything more about the yacht that decided to ignore the pilot boat and go in front of an incoming tanker in a narrow channel?

 

I heard on Cowes FM that there was at least one MOB and that the mast may have been left dangling off the Tanker's anchor.

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Cowes Week,

 

Precautionary area

All Vessels over 150 meters in length navigating in the precautionary area will be given a Moving Prohibitory Zone of 1000' meters ahead and 100 meters to either side. vessel's under 20 meters in length are prohibited from entering this zone.

 

Right there on the same page as all the mark information. How many 70' yachts race at Cowes week?

 

That's basically a recap of the Southampton Harbour bye-law and the 20 metre figure comes from there. However since you ask, yes historically there have been 70 foot yachts in Cowes e.g. some VO70s have been known to play. However this year I believe TP52 is the biggest.

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I'm assuming everyone posting here has never made or will never make a mistake (that includes no car crashes, falling over, random acts of stupidity) in their life?

 

Yes I've made mistakes and when I have, people have been known to point out my foolishness. Most of us learn to deal with this some time before leaving primary school. Not sure why this skipper should be exempt.

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One small point... the pilot is on the bridge of the ship.... not on the boat with the stripe trying to chase away the dumb fucks that are getting underfoot....

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Insurance is not void just due to stupidity, otherwise they would pay very few claims.

Get all drunked up, run a red light, hit someone, they still pay. That time. Good luck renewing though

 

 

You have different insurance to me, My policy clearly indicates that if damage is caused or loss suffered as a result of a offence committed by the insured, then the policy is voided.

 

 

 

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WOW :o

Tell me what agency does that and I'll make sure and avoid them and anyone "insured" by them!

If that is car insurance, you mean if you're drunk and hit me I am shit-out-of-luck to get my car fixed?

 

Insurance is not void just due to stupidity, otherwise they would pay very few claims.

Get all drunked up, run a red light, hit someone, they still pay. That time. Good luck renewing though

 

 

You have different insurance to me, My policy clearly indicates that if damage is caused or loss suffered as a result of a offence committed by the insured, then the policy is voided.

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Sorry Kent - I wasnt clear, the third party component of the policy remains, it is my component of the cover that is voided. In other words I'm drunk, they'll fix your car but not mine. If this were not so, then I could burn my boat commit arson and be convicted of it and still claim the insurance.

 

That aside - the bloke /crew on the yacht are tools of the first order. Gross stupdity in no small part fuelled by arrogance,

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There is a difference between an intentional felony and hitting a starboard tack boat while on port.

I am pretty sure if my boat got banged up while being used for pirate attacks or drug running I would be SOL on getting repairs done too.

+1 on the skipper being a tool. That tanker could have done some real damage to someone or something trying to avoid him.

 

 

Sorry Kent - I wasnt clear, the third party component of the policy remains, it is my component of the cover that is voided. In other words I'm drunk, they'll fix your car but not mine. If this were not so, then I could burn my boat commit arson and be convicted of it and still claim the insurance.

 

That aside - the bloke /crew on the yacht are tools of the first order. Gross stupdity in no small part fuelled by arrogance,

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Geez I hope he wasn't the skipper!!! Tongue in cheek on my comment. I deal with this shit very year on the water.

 

The dweeb who jumped overboard should be charged with desertion.

Bullshit! Unless he's the one who led the crew into such an absurd and dangerous situation, or it was an accident falling overboard, he looks to me like the smartest person on that sailboat.

 

 

 

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I can not get it out of my head.....Caddy Shack,....Rodney Dangerfield,,......'You scratched my anchor'!!

Good shit.

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One small point... the pilot is on the bridge of the ship.... not on the boat with the stripe trying to chase away the dumb fucks that are getting underfoot....

 

 

.........and a pilot is on the pilot boat doing escort duty

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No, they will fix your car, just no the drunk insured guys car. So in this case the insurance will cover buffing the scratch off the anchor of the ship but the owner of the boat is S.O.L. for his own repairs. Not to mention, it will be very hard for him to get insured again.

 

WOW :o

Tell me what agency does that and I'll make sure and avoid them and anyone "insured" by them!

If that is car insurance, you mean if you're drunk and hit me I am shit-out-of-luck to get my car fixed?

 

Insurance is not void just due to stupidity, otherwise they would pay very few claims.

Get all drunked up, run a red light, hit someone, they still pay. That time. Good luck renewing though

 

 

You have different insurance to me, My policy clearly indicates that if damage is caused or loss suffered as a result of a offence committed by the insured, then the policy is voided.

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I'm guessing all the crew feel bad enough without the 90% asshole comments on here. Yes they made a mistake, I'm assuming everyone posting here has never made or will never make a mistake (that includes no car crashes, falling over, random acts of stupidity) in their life?

 

 

Yes I've done a lot of stupid stuff...buying Fannie Mae Preferred at 16 comes to mind...but I've never played chicken with a tanker, never played Russian Roulette, and never, ever sleep in the freeway. All seem about equivalent to me. Definitely a higher order of stupid

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So is there really nobody here that knows Darwins harem. Who are these guys ( besides hiding in the closet)?

Nobody on that boat posts here? Or knows them? We want a first hand account before heriberto tells us to stop the speculation and complain how much his V-J.J. hurts.

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Kinda like this clip.

 

 

I was waiting for the freighter to drop the port anchor right on deck of the offending bug... take the whole mess to the bottom..

 

I thought it was staged since the camera zoomed out at just the right time. But the guy thrown off makes me think otherwise...unless it was one of those "hey watch this!" ideas

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I was there, I filmed it too....

I couldn't believe my eyes, it looked like they were struggling with the rigging. One guy jumped overboard just before the impact, another got a gash to the head when the mast came down. The MOB was recovered within 3 minutes. A minute or two before they collided there was some authorities boat with blue flashing lights, maybe coastguard, between the two vessels, in a vein attempt to prevent the inevitable.

 

Any local sailing forums with more info??

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One small point... the pilot is on the bridge of the ship.... not on the boat with the stripe trying to chase away the dumb fucks that are getting underfoot....

 

 

.........and a pilot is on the pilot boat doing escort duty

 

And the Bishop of all Ireland and his eldest son may be on the 'pilot' boat.... however the pilot in charge of the operation..... 'To Master's orders and pilot's advice' ..... is on the bridge of the ship.................

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So is there really nobody here that knows Darwins harem. Who are these guys ( besides hiding in the closet)?

Nobody on that boat posts here? Or knows them? We want a first hand account before heriberto tells us to stop the speculation and complain how much his V-J.J. hurts.

 

 

Spoke to someone on the Cowes river taxi who said they were a mostly royal navy crew and that the skipper is a naval lieutenant. Wonder what this will do to his career?!

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An extract from the SIs.

 

B17 Commercial Shipping

B17 .1 southampton harbour Byelaws (changing RRS 60)

(a) Boats shall observe the Associated British Ports (ABP) Southampton Harbour Byelaws 2003 (see page 12) at all times and avoid any close quarters situation with large commercial shipping . Particular note should be made of Byelaws 10 & 11 and Associated British Ports Southampton Notice to Mariners No . 3 of 2011 giving details of a moving prohibited zone, which ranks as an obstruction for the purposes of RRS 19 and 20 .

(B) Protests for infringements of B17 .1(a) may be brought only by the race committee who may initiate a protest as the result of a report from an ABP Pilot or Patrol boat . Note that ABP may initiate court proceedings against boats that infringe this byelaw.

 

B17.2 use of engine - as permitted by RRS 42 .3

(a) In order to avoid the risk of collision with commercial shipping that is under way, a boat may use her engine, or any other means of propulsion, without retiring .

(B) Such use shall be reported to the Protest Committee at the Regatta Centre, who shall decide what, if any, penalty to award .

 

B17 .3 anchoring in deep water

All competitors are advised to take extreme care when anchoring in deep water since this may hamper commercial shipping

 

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Wow that is crazy. I dont' sail in an area with tankers etc so it's a bit scary to even see that much traffic and large traffic and racing going on at the same time.

 

 

You should try racing in Sydney or Auckland harbour, it can get very interesting.

 

Or the Singapore Strait! Busiest sea port in the world.

 

Or the Strait of Malacca...at night. Brrrr....scary.

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That's basically a recap of the Southampton Harbour bye-law and the 20 metre figure comes from there. However since you ask, yes historically there have been 70 foot yachts in Cowes e.g. some VO70s have been known to play. However this year I believe TP52 is the biggest.

 

Rambler, Allegre, Ran and a Swan 100 are playing in the big boats (racing Tues - Thurs), and there are a couple of boats bigger than the 52s in IRC 0.

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While the crew was apparently immobilized and slow to react to the developing situation, they were amazingly quick to blow the spinnaker sheet, guy, and halyard to prevent the boat being dragged along by the tanker.

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might have a look here:

 

http://www.ybw.com/f...ad.php?t=282935

 

Thanks- read about half of it. Didn't find what I was looking for- info on why the crew jumped and why was the chute not trimmed? it sure seems that the crew were not aligned with the skippers poor plan, and if so- they may have actually slowed the boat enough fro the poor plan to fail.

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might have a look here:

 

http://www.ybw.com/f...ad.php?t=282935

 

Thanks- read about half of it. Didn't find what I was looking for- info on why the crew jumped and why was the chute not trimmed? it sure seems that the crew were not aligned with the skippers poor plan, and if so- they may have actually slowed the boat enough fro the poor plan to fail.

I read through the entire thread and you're questions weren't answered in the last half either.

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might have a look here:

 

http://www.ybw.com/f...ad.php?t=282935

 

Thanks- read about half of it. Didn't find what I was looking for- info on why the crew jumped and why was the chute not trimmed? it sure seems that the crew were not aligned with the skippers poor plan, and if so- they may have actually slowed the boat enough fro the poor plan to fail.

I read through the entire thread and you're questions weren't answered in the last half either.

 

Thanks. I actually read the 1st 1/4 and thought it should have surfaced by then- so then I started at the last post and read back about 1/4. Doubtful that its answered in the 2nd quarter

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Spoke to someone on the Cowes river taxi who said they were a mostly royal navy crew and that the skipper is a naval lieutenant. Wonder what this will do to his career?!

 

 

Heard that also from a usually well informed source. Unlikely we'll hear more until after the MAIB enquiry... loose lips sink ships and all that.

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