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I ponder this as well. Seemed like a great point in between Minis and Classe 40s in size, cost, etc.

 

Of course, I did not plump for one, but bought a 25 yr old 6KSB a few years ago myself. So I guess I am part of the problem.

 

The euro guys have the Figaro II already.

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You could ask the same question about the open 30, I thought they were pretty damn cool...

 

And the Open 40 and 50

 

 

Dibley Marine in New Zealand is still pushing it. And of course there's the Akilaria.

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My understanding is that the Classe 950 had rules on materials, canting keel, etc. to keep cost down relative to the Open 30.

 

Class 950 is essentially a scaled-down version of the Class 40. From the standpoint of someone who's been considering Class 650 for a long time and has spent a long time tweaking an already strict class-regulated design for the 6.5m, Class 30 is a lot better avenue than Class 950. Go the the Akilaria site and compare their Class 40 and their 950. There really isn't that much of a difference between the two, except for 8' LOA. What I like about Class 30 vs. 950 vs. Class 40 vs. 6.5m is that Class 30 is the mid-range that a sailor would look for if they don't have the budget for a Class 40, but what a step up from the 650.

 

It's like comparing a Ford S-10 to a F-150 to a F-350 Super Duty. Each has the same purpose, essentially, but the bigger you get, the more it costs, and most people aim for the mid-range. Why Class 30 hasn't taken off kind of surprises me, especially for solo racing.

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We have been pushing the Classe 950 for a little while now. Yes, it has been frustrating with having so much interest coming in, but not enough people taking the big step.

For shorthanded racing, with enough interior inside to cater for weekend cruising, it really does it all.

No canting keel allowed. Material restictions to keep costs down, and waterballast for the short handed aspect.

VPP's are outstanding, and with the ibcreased interest in short-handed sailing of late, it is perfect for that slot before the 40 footers...

We have a builder in NZ on standby, and a builder in China.

We also have enough plans for any one interested in the homebuild option, though some experienace will be required using Epoxies etc....

http://www.dibleymarine.com/sail/sail/dibley950.html

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My understanding is that the Classe 950 had rules on materials, canting keel, etc. to keep cost down relative to the Open 30.

 

Class 950 is essentially a scaled-down version of the Class 40. From the standpoint of someone who's been considering Class 650 for a long time and has spent a long time tweaking an already strict class-regulated design for the 6.5m, Class 30 is a lot better avenue than Class 950. Go the the Akilaria site and compare their Class 40 and their 950. There really isn't that much of a difference between the two, except for 8' LOA. What I like about Class 30 vs. 950 vs. Class 40 vs. 6.5m is that Class 30 is the mid-range that a sailor would look for if they don't have the budget for a Class 40, but what a step up from the 650.

 

It's like comparing a Ford S-10 to a F-150 to a F-350 Super Duty. Each has the same purpose, essentially, but the bigger you get, the more it costs, and most people aim for the mid-range. Why Class 30 hasn't taken off kind of surprises me, especially for solo racing.

 

 

What's a Class 30?

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Dibley, do you have any strictly sailing plans of that, aka minimal, essential-only interior?

 

Absolutely. To be a Classe 950 you have to have a minimal amount of interior and headroom, but we can customise and simplify to suit the client if they are not looking at being a Classe yacht as such. That is the neat thing about this design rule; they are as great outside of Class racing as they are in...

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I don't think there is such a thing as a Class 30.

 

The "Open" boats are (or were) all blessed by IMOCA.

 

There was an Open 30, canting keels and carbon hulls allowed, only ever popular in South America.

See one for sale here: http://www.yachtbrokers.co.za/open-30/

Here is a nice one: http://www.vgyd.com/Open30.html

 

I think Class(e) 950 has glass hulls and no canting.

 

There was an Open 40, such as sailed by the great mariner Abby Sunderland. More info on that class on a SA thread here.

 

Of course, IMOCA had current rules for Open 50s as recently as 2004, and the Open 60 is still going strong.

 

There was also a "Mt. Gay 30" of which some few were built, but they were not a big success, felt to be too slow and heavy compared to similar length boats in AUS.

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My point exactly. From dde's post it seems they are confusing/mixing up what an Open 30 was, with a Class 9.50 and adding a dash of Mt. Gay 30 too for a bit of spice. A Class 9.50 is closest to a scaled down class 40. An Open 30 was an attempt at a smaller IMOCA type boat and the Mount Gay 30 was an attempt as a Volvo 60 scaled down. All very different

 

I don't think there is such a thing as a Class 30.

 

 

 

The "Open" boats are (or were) all blessed by IMOCA.

 

There was an Open 30, canting keels and carbon hulls allowed, only ever popular in South America.

See one for sale here: http://www.yachtbrokers.co.za/open-30/

Here is a nice one: http://www.vgyd.com/Open30.html

 

I think Class(e) 950 has glass hulls and no canting.

 

There was an Open 40, such as sailed by the great mariner Abby Sunderland. More info on that class on a SA thread here.

 

Of course, IMOCA had current rules for Open 50s as recently as 2004, and the Open 60 is still going strong.

 

There was also a "Mt. Gay 30" of which some few were built, but they were not a big success, felt to be too slow and heavy compared to similar length boats in AUS.

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You can be an Open 'style' design, where as you have watertight bulkheads, canting keel and follows fairly closely the IMOCA requirements. We did a 26-footer like that. But I don't believe there is an 'official' Open 30, nor a Class 30.

The idea with the Classe 950 was to slot between the Open 650's and the Open or Class 40's. It is quite a leap financially to grow that extra 9-feet.............

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We have been pushing the Classe 950 for a little while now. Yes, it has been frustrating with having so much interest coming in, but not enough people taking the big step.

For shorthanded racing, with enough interior inside to cater for weekend cruising, it really does it all.

No canting keel allowed. Material restictions to keep costs down, and waterballast for the short handed aspect.

VPP's are outstanding, and with the ibcreased interest in short-handed sailing of late, it is perfect for that slot before the 40 footers...

We have a builder in NZ on standby, and a builder in China.

We also have enough plans for any one interested in the homebuild option, though some experienace will be required using Epoxies etc....

http://www.dibleymarine.com/sail/sail/dibley950.html

 

 

Looks like you have skeg on that rudder. True?

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We have been pushing the Classe 950 for a little while now. Yes, it has been frustrating with having so much interest coming in, but not enough people taking the big step.

For shorthanded racing, with enough interior inside to cater for weekend cruising, it really does it all.

No canting keel allowed. Material restictions to keep costs down, and waterballast for the short handed aspect.

VPP's are outstanding, and with the ibcreased interest in short-handed sailing of late, it is perfect for that slot before the 40 footers...

We have a builder in NZ on standby, and a builder in China.

We also have enough plans for any one interested in the homebuild option, though some experienace will be required using Epoxies etc....

http://www.dibleymarine.com/sail/sail/dibley950.html

 

 

Looks like you have skeg on that rudder. True?

 

Nope. Twin Rudder - Balanced - Transom Mounted.

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I meant Open 30, just got to typing too fast/comparing to Class 950, writing Class 30, etc.

 

Dibley has the right idea, and personally, I'm surprised that the boat hasn't taken off. From his mockups, the Class 950 has the capabilities of an ocean racing boat, but the luxury that the casual sailor who isn't doing tranat's or distance races wants. I grew up learning and sailing on a Tartan 34, which is cruising I know, but being on larger boats such as the Class 40 and even the Class 60, the 30' range is pretty perfect. You don't see it a lot because the smaller (6.5m) and larger (40&60) classes are more popular.

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Reason is (IMHO) that unlike a Classe 40 the Classe 950 wasn't bringing anything to the table that wasn't/isn't out there in the production boat world. A J105, Sun Fast 3200 or something similar for the Corinthian punter or a Figaro for the really serious guy. Moreover in the Classe 40s early days there was interest out there from the builders (esp Pogo), designers (who hasn't designed one), and prospective owners - when you have a big name like Patrice Carpentier pushing them word gets around. The Classe 950 seemed to be a push from a limited number of builders and designers but not a lot of pull from the prospective client base.

 

Personally the Open30s were more interesting (and more designers got on them than the Classe 950) as the performance was more significantly different than what was out there at the time but I think except for a few South African and Argentinean examples none were built.

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Well there is Van Gorkum's South African open 30 coolness....

 

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But given the wild stampede for Amati ( look in the classifieds) which was damn close to an open 40 1999 vintage, the lack of action outside of vicarious thrills doesn't surprise me.

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Speng has already said most of this already ..

 

The Classe 950 has a lot of competition at that size point and all of it is a lot cheaper. A few examples Sunfast 3200, JPK 960 and 1010, Archie 35, J105. Any of these boats go really well in the popular European short handed races and cost way less money. The Class 950 rates horribly and to date there are no class events to speak of. There are established classes at 6.50m, 40ft and indeed at 30 something with the Figaro 2's - no real room for the 950 unfortunately.

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Givne that there are some sailing, does anyone have any real world experience as to how these boats sail against some of the other 30ish footers out there, such as the Mumm 30, sunfast 300, Grand surprise,, Melges 32, etc? Intrigued to see whether these fat "dish" boats are really that fast at this LOA..

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Givne that there are some sailing, does anyone have any real world experience as to how these boats sail against some of the other 30ish footers out there, such as the Mumm 30, sunfast 300, Grand surprise,, Melges 32, etc? Intrigued to see whether these fat "dish" boats are really that fast at this LOA..

 

Hi ColinG

At the top of this page are the VPP's for the Sunfast300 compared to our Classe 950.

Can't really comment on the others, except the Displaement/Length & Sail Area/Displacement Ratios are right out the window on the Classe 950 when you go to the max of the rule, so shouldn't be a problem.... AND thay are Offshore Capable, as opposed to some on your list.

Best Regards

Kevin

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Kevin,

Seen the VPPs. No disrespect, but experience tells me that Polars and real life performance can vary significantly. Was looking for some real life experience if it exists

 

Understood. Can't speak for the other Classe 950's out there as each one will be different. Our VPP's our based on quite acurate modeling and we have found that they represent the actuals very closely in yachts above 21'. The Sunfast VPP's were from their website, so not sure there.

Hope someone can pitch in with thoughts / experience.

 

Kevin,

Seen the VPPs. No disrespect, but experience tells me that Polars and real life performance can vary significantly. Was looking for some real life experience if it exists

 

Understood. Can't speak for the other Classe 950's out there as each one will be different. Our VPP's our based on quite acurate modeling and we have found that they represent the actuals very closely in yachts above 21'. The Sunfast VPP's were from their website, so not sure there.

Hope someone can pitch in with thoughts / experience.

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Givne that there are some sailing, does anyone have any real world experience as to how these boats sail against some of the other 30ish footers out there, such as the Mumm 30, sunfast 300, Grand surprise,, Melges 32, etc? Intrigued to see whether these fat "dish" boats are really that fast at this LOA..

You are trying to compare apples with oranges here, or to develop that analogy apples with steak.

 

The Class 950 is designed as a short handed ocean racing boat. That's the target market for the SunFast. Anyone who took a Melges 32 into the ocean should be declared insane, the class doesn't race in over 25 knots, it's an inshore raceboat. For what it's worth the M32 is much the fastest boat you list here. Ditto Mumm 30. If you comare the sail area and weight of the Mumm or Melges to the others you'll see they are much faster but those boats aren't ocean racers nor are they suitable for short handed racing.

 

I've raced against the SunnFast 3200 quite a bit in the J105, they are very good at their job and sail well against their IRC rating. They are attractively priced, £100k new on the water, have good accommodation and a smart layout for short handed racing wrt deck gear. They have won lots of short handed events inc round Britain and Ireland the TransQuadra transatlantic race. I did consider buying one but they are pretty dull outright performance wise.

 

I believe the polars for the Class 950, they look reasonable given the boat's design and sailplan. I've attended a few presentations from designers and I looked over a boat in France (Akilaria I think) but it didn't make sense to buy one. What events would I race it in ? As I noted before the bulk of the 2-handed events in UK and France are run under IRC and there are insufficient Class 950's sailing to justify class events. I have never raced against one despite doing lots of 2-handed events in the UK and France (ie where are the boats?). A new Class 950 would be close to an old Class 40 price wise, I do appreciate running costs would be far higher but it shows how tough it is to develop a box rule fleet at this size. If you want class racing in offshore short handed you can go Mini racing or do some of the lower key Figaro-2 events.

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I know they are for different purposes, but the question was only about getting relative performance, to get a feel for where they sit in the overall scheme of things.

 

Also, it may seem unbelievable to those based in Europe but there are some parts of the world where there are no minis or figaros and where short handle racing is done in a variety of different craft, so apples vs oranges is a fair question.

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Understood Colin. In speed order I'd see it like this

 

Melges32

Mumm 30 / Classe 950

J105/J109/Archie 35

Grand Surprise

Sunfast

 

The interesting thing is that a Sunfast 3200 may well get round the track 2-handed faster than a Grand Surprise or indeed a Mumm 30.

 

All the 2-handed racing I do is in very mixed fleets of IRC boats - have a look at the following, especially the RORC and French stuff

 

RORC Offshore here

Transquadra hereand here

Duo Atlantiue here EDIT: Results here Class 1 and Class 2

Royal Southampton 2-Handed here

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I know this post died out some time back but you may be interested to know we have some Class 950's being built in the UK to a Simon Rogers design. The project has literally just started and 3 boats are on order at the moment. Here's the URL for the Facebook page:

 

https://www.facebook.com/RogersClass950

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We have just sold the plans for one of our Classe 950's to a UK client so looks like there is some traction in the Classe.

This version is having a lifting keel. Below is the fixed keel version which sold to an Italian home build.

http://www.dibleymarine.com/sail/sail/dibley950.html

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Lifting keel!! That's novel. I really do believe this Class deserves a future and fills a growing niche. Maybe the time is better now for us to grow the interest out there. Hope to see your boat on the water sometime when they have built it.

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Well, northern hemisphere summer is in full swing now and I am wondering if there has yet been an event where the Classe 950s have faced off against each other? I have not as yet been able to find any results of any such racing, but that may be because I cannot read French?

Would be interesting to see how the various designs to date have fared, both against each other and also comparative to other boats.

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Well, northern hemisphere summer is in full swing now and I am wondering if there has yet been an event where the Classe 950s have faced off against each other? I have not as yet been able to find any results of any such racing, but that may be because I cannot read French?

Would be interesting to see how the various designs to date have fared, both against each other and also comparative to other boats.

 

colin the french magazine Bateaux did a comparison of three 950 s after la grand motte, a ply TIP TOP manuard,CINQ SENS; a mangen L'ATOMIUN ?{which is for sale} BLACKBIRD ; and a lombard AKILARA called JASON. it was around june 2010 . also the french site SEASAILSURF has a 950 page which covers six or seven designs that have been built. some light but engaging reviews cheers

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After a two and a half year home build by Alessandro Bruno, he launched a Sam Manuard designed Classe 950 called Tenacious [Tenace]#12 in Genoa, Italy. With a short lead in he started the Giriglia before retiring with the boat showing great promise. Plans for this year was a classe 950 challenge in the med between French and Italian boats and maybe Swiss as well.

But with the new year looming with promise, I received the news that whilst skiing with his daughter in the Alps, Alessandro has had an accident landing heavily on neck and back . His daughter called for help but before the helicopter could fly him to hospital, he passed away. To his partner and family our condolences!

 

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Hi guys

I read this thread with interest while looking for my next boat. I know it is a few years old but there is some good stuff up here and I wonder what the present situation is with the 9.50?

I am in my third season with a Mini 6.50 and love it. Fast and fun, easy to sail short handed, properly kitted out and fully offshore rated and spend much of my time sailing on my own to a holiday destination to meet my wife and young son where we then potter about on it. Done plenty of racing the past and have a background in skiffs and 49ers, but now mostly interested in fast cruising with a proper performance boat and less bothered about home comforts of most cruising caravans. Not bothered about IRC since I won't really be racing it. I would gladly hear opinions on my short list and any info about the 9.50 which I have not managed to dig up much on. The guys who started the Rogers Design 9.50 have said they could produce a hull and deck for me, but not sure I am quite up to doing the rest, but it is still a possibility. I couldnt find any evidence of a completed boat and not sure if the project is still really on.

The short list is:

 

Pogo 10.50

Pogo 30 (pretty new so can't find any used boats and delivery on a new one is long - not sure I can afford it either)

Akilaria 9.50

Class 40 ( maybe one day anyway - bit big for where I live right now possibly)

 

A couple of people have suggested the Sunfast 3200 but I have no experience of these and I struggle a bit with the whole Jeanneau thing, but maybe that is just me.

 

Any thoughts or recent experiences out there?

Cheers

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Hi guys

I read this thread with interest while looking for my next boat. I know it is a few years old but there is some good stuff up here and I wonder what the present situation is with the 9.50?

I am in my third season with a Mini 6.50 and love it. Fast and fun, easy to sail short handed, properly kitted out and fully offshore rated and spend much of my time sailing on my own to a holiday destination to meet my wife and young son where we then potter about on it. Done plenty of racing the past and have a background in skiffs and 49ers, but now mostly interested in fast cruising with a proper performance boat and less bothered about home comforts of most cruising caravans. Not bothered about IRC since I won't really be racing it. I would gladly hear opinions on my short list and any info about the 9.50 which I have not managed to dig up much on. The guys who started the Rogers Design 9.50 have said they could produce a hull and deck for me, but not sure I am quite up to doing the rest, but it is still a possibility. I couldnt find any evidence of a completed boat and not sure if the project is still really on.

The short list is:

 

Pogo 10.50

Pogo 30 (pretty new so can't find any used boats and delivery on a new one is long - not sure I can afford it either)

Akilaria 9.50

Class 40 ( maybe one day anyway - bit big for where I live right now possibly)

 

A couple of people have suggested the Sunfast 3200 but I have no experience of these and I struggle a bit with the whole Jeanneau thing, but maybe that is just me.

 

Any thoughts or recent experiences out there?

Cheers

Sunfast 3200: I mostly hear good things about it.

M.be you could get into https://www.facebook.com/sunfast3200?fref=ts

 

This page is administered by the designer himself who keeps and races one, also sailed shorthanded by his family.

At his age I think he is now more into a "passion" than into hard business and might be of great help to you.

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What happened to the Class 950 ?

Very simple. : stillborn (if translation correct).

 

The idea was interesting and came from ex Port Camargue's Harbour Master and 72 Ostar competitor Jean-Marie Vidal (Cap 33).

As Jean-Marie was also a mini 6.50 competitor he wanted to go one step bigger without getting into the "pro level".

So he came up with this idea that he putted up in front in the medias, unfortunately he was in opposition with what existed but still new : the Class Open 30.

 

But why didn't it started... once again it looked like it was an other Franco-French thing (I don't know how, we Frenchmen, do managed to make things just for ourselves).

But in France there is a very important point, which mustn't be forgotten, if you wish to create a new class of boats and especially if you are developing shorthanded racing : make sure you are allowed to race the Route du Rhum !!!

And that wasn't the case for the class 9.50 as it was for the Class40 !!!

So the idea of this class ended up with a good idea but no races.

 

Now, I hope, this is not the definitive end of this class and that anglo-saxons countries will take over.

Please forget about IRC rules for shorthanded and go for class rules such as the 9.50.

In countries such as England, Ireland, Holland etc.... they should have good interrest in a shorthanded championship and I am sure French amateurs would join in.

Races such as the RWYC's Round Britain and Ireland, Ostar and Twostar could be raced in a 9.50 class.

In the USA, the Transpac should develop such a class (I think that one Akilaria 9.50 - #2 - took part in the last race still underway).

 

Just a thought and a hope...

 

PS : I am on the market to manage a new class as I did with the Multi50...

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Nanouk is right : "In countries such as England, Ireland, Holland etc.... they should have good interrest in a shorthanded championship and I am sure French amateurs would join in."

The huge success of Duo Cata-Mania and Transquadra shows that.

 

But: the elderly RORC was clever enough to introduce a double-handed division and that proved that IRC could accomodate damn good short-handed boats. No need to create a new circuit.

 

JPK met success at producing decently rated 33-35ft boats, fast enough, easy to sail short-handed and with good resale value.

 

I think that the game is over for Class 950

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If you are going to re-birth the Classe 950, update the rules - reduce the weight, allow carbon (std) in the hull, soft (Dynex) rigging.

Nowadays little difference in price but potentially large performance benefits

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if a child was as ugly as a 950 you'd forego it and have another shot at it

 

in this case you'd just buy a Figaro II

 

 

.......

was there ever a nice one that didn't look like a d dix kit ?

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check the giraglia three 950s racing each other same as last year but different outcome with two of the prettiest 950s duking it out dydw and manuard

but just this weekend the mouse that roared from 40th odd to 19th to the final four boat drag race to finish 13th not bad for a clipped wing plywood classe 950 on the first leg, less lead less sail area and symmetrical kite to rate better in the transquadra 2014

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thanks to bing search cause google is blind to things euro not in the main stream the team behind DW yacht design Brunehilde and Philippe [eluded the search engine] have a fantastic ethos and website and the original 950 tonik 31 had a retro modern cruiser feel but when made into custom racer has a modern utility purposeful look. for Michel last years giriglia they won then manuard and lombard and then the Italian challenge they dropped to third behind manuard and Lombard then to return this years giriglia and win by two minutes from manuard and Lombard . soon there is the Corsican get together for 950s with other med boats to arrive

I am sure there is a tough cloud in the sky smiling....

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sorry Siciliy not Corsica the middle sea from Malta to Malta around Siciliy maybe blackbird

atomion magnen of Jaques Valente coming back from health issues and absolute wind of Antonio Raimondo may enter

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Please forget about IRC rules for shorthanded and go for class rules such as the 9.50.

In countries such as England, Ireland, Holland etc.... they should have good interrest in a shorthanded championship and I am sure French amateurs would join in.

 

It's near-impossible to introduce a new class in the UK that's larger than 24-foot'ish and not IRC friendly. In that size range there are not enough owners to instantly form a new class outside IRC and not enough owners wanting to buy a new boat and get hammered in IRC when that's all that exists.Catch 22.

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hot of the press, a good read on lasourismermon.blogspot

I think the thing that is really happening is owners cant afford crewed boats either in time and or costs

They just wanna have fun and you can do that on a smallish boat that has enough space when the family comes

speed power to get some where quicker to stay with the waves but to have good protection when it all turns to _hit

admittedly most transquadra boats rate and the have two or one on board but what if you could keep the hammer down longer harder

and not go to multi complexity and be in the west indies and the tropics before you go back to work and not pay those bigger costs going Slow

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The one being built in the UK ( Dibley design) is progressing nicely, I'll ask the owner if I can post a couple of pics from his FB page. He's a very good sailor too (Musto Skiffs, Merlin Rockets etc) so when it hits the water it will be interesting to see how it goes. Maybe HPR would be a better bet for this type of boat in the meantime...hope they succeed! B)

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The New Zealand Coastal Classic has been run with fast times to Russell and the beautiful Bay of Island's .There the news comes slowly because everyone is away from home and enjoying themselves but the highlight similar to the Round North Island was the crew discourse; the Crewless Crewed discourse a cracker with the camera over the shoulder. They are a team who brought a Lombard Classe 950 to Wellington, with great footage of the Wellington to Nelson race as "Crewless" . Then up to Auckland for the Coastal Classic as "Crewed" They look to have taken their division honours and given two fast elliotts a run for their money Sqealor the Fiji heros got them but Pork Chop was well done! Ben and Steve and the camera well done and the star was the great numbers and the hiding they described given to one of the First Classe 950s built. look up the LSD; LIVE SAIL DIE COASTALCLASSIC SITE

 

ps Check the Chris Skinner RNI summary video on the facebook of SSANZ Feburary 25 AN ALL TIME SAILING CLASSIC !!

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25.6 knots and they got the double in division line honours and handicap

 

sounds like the the rum came out !

 

 

 

that's what happened to the classe 950 in the coastal classic 2014 check you tube

and the Crewed/ Crewless facebook that must have been a blast!

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what happened is the past custodian of the web site had the hackers get in to the site .

It was clunky in operation but it was there then it wasn't and if you clicked on you risked the wrath of a stalled computer

 

But wait ....... something has just happened New Blood but they pay homeage to Alessandro Bruno and his dream

 

and have a new Website in operation !!

there is a future for the classe

and it comes from the YCI of Genoa that have taken on Alessandro's Tenace or Tenacious

and with a group of sailors like Pietro de Ali leading the way a series of races with any one wanting to participate

Paying their way on board and sailing one of the latest designs to hit the water from the pen of Sam Manuard with reference to his class 40s

But the havn't got it all their way as the Lombard design and first production boat is very close competiton. and its not a two boat race

the new Violin Dingue [crazy violin !! ??] from DWYD just jumping in and drawring Blood !! That will draw the noses ,

that fresh blood, talking of blood that lovely guy from a country with no sea that borders its shore climbed out of the hospital bed

made good his boat provisioned set of to run parallel to the Route du Rhum Jacques Valente and his Magnen Blackbird now Atomioum

check his After it too late website and understand the love of his friends especially one who donated a kidney and Jacques was on his way.

But now he is back and long with the other Atlantic Passage makers the mousers of La Souris Mermom the plywood kitboat of Francois Lucas design for the budget conscious. John Paul and Franck, just sailed a two leg Transquadra ,with clipped wings they hauled in the pack.

....and with there sister ship being built in Russia the numbers climb Lets hope the Med is a hotspot of new blood meeting old this year, let the east wind blow ! The GFC has slowed its carnage and the plans of short handed racing on a thirty footer may grow legs !

When this idea was first floated there were 16 different designs from an eclectic group of naval architects'

They thought this idea was good enough and some did spec designs with no customers paying their bills but still their pencils and computers went in to the fray .... its a good size affordable manageable but powered up with beam and waterballast.

That's gotta be fun !! but not a twitchy lightweight with young guns at the helm .

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Mad your comment about the Rodgers class 950 molds expensive build to just sit at [ I think] Demon Yachts unloved . They do great work there , the Ducman the Windermere 17 of the design by Ian Howlet Im sure that the customer in waiting for the Rodgers would be well rewarded Check out the Rodgers 10 m design sailing in scandivanian waters two handed + the' boat project' in wood also led to the Arbor 26 Simon Rodgers would be a great addition to the gene pool of designs sailing .........

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Any 950's on the Great Lakes? Seams like it would be fun toy for fast racing yet still usable as a weekender - especially with retracting keel to get in and out of the shallow bits. Retracting keels are allowed from my brief read of class rules, right?

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Any 950's on the Great Lakes? Seams like it would be fun toy for fast racing yet still usable as a weekender - especially with retracting keel to get in and out of the shallow bits. Retracting keels are allowed from my brief read of class rules, right?

Hi MetalMan. Yes, lift keels are allowed.

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And, one could argue, an example of the types of boats now being built that party explain why the 950 hasn't gone anywhere - it's in the same market as the other shorthanded IRC offshore boats - Sunfasts, JPKs etc, aimed at races like the Transquadra (a transatlantic race for amateur sailors over 40). Dual-ish use boats for people who pay for their racing.

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It's a shame really. I have to say though that even if the Class doesn't take off globally, the rule encourages stable, seaworthy, performance orientated yachts that would be a blast racing in a mixed fleet.

It's still 'garbage in - garbage out' in regards to performance and aesthetics, but that should be sorted out early in the design process :)

My fingers are crossed the Class takes off regardless.

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It's a shame really. I have to say though that even if the Class doesn't take off globally, the rule encourages stable, seaworthy, performance orientated yachts that would be a blast racing in a mixed fleet.

It's still 'garbage in - garbage out' in regards to performance and aesthetics, but that should be sorted out early in the design process :)

My fingers are crossed the Class takes off regardless.

 

i think it depends what kind of races you find. Race in IRC but as own class like Figaro? A single race as Transuqadra is not enough.

 

Personally, I'm excited for class 950. Not everyone wants a mini or afford a Class 40.

 

To compete with fast IRC boats seems tough though I hope smaller yards are able to offer competitive package beside Mini and Class 40, an alternative to larger builders (beneteau, Jeanneau)

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bdu, looks great! I'm jealous... what is estimated budget for that? any carbon?

There is no carbon in the boat to comply with the class rules and looking at the skin weights there would not be much room to save weight other than the local reinforcement. I am hoping to build the boat for approximately £50k GBP. That is assuming that my time is free. I am also likely to stick an alloy rig on it to save cost as there is around £10k of difference when I looked at the beginning. I will decide close to the end the final decisions.

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FB & dibley, I think I have an idea but what's the rough build cost for one of your 950's in aus?

 

Could you do one in cedar? ;)

Hey Spoonie,

Asking the build cost in oz or nz is like asking how long a piece of string is. Crazy times in the build market and very different from 10 years ago.

Labour hours would be about 2,000 regardless though and yes we can look at cedar/grp.

The cost savings here will be in not having to use a flash 'plug' as I presume you would be strip planking on temporary frames.

With that said, bdu built his using strip plank foam on temporary frames.

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bdu, looks great! I'm jealous... what is estimated budget for that? any carbon?

There is no carbon in the boat to comply with the class rules and looking at the skin weights there would not be much room to save weight other than the local reinforcement. I am hoping to build the boat for approximately £50k GBP. That is assuming that my time is free. I am also likely to stick an alloy rig on it to save cost as there is around £10k of difference when I looked at the beginning. I will decide close to the end the final decisions.

 

 

50k not bad, it's quite attractive ( about much as a fancy prototype Mini) Regarding carbon choice I'd do the same as you. An offshore boat needs to be sturdy enough, I guess.

 

I follow your build with interest and look forward to see the finished result.

 

When are you planning to sail it?

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By the time I sail the Musto skiff a little, do some cycling, look after the kids and the wife to stay married them probably a good few years down the line:) I am self employed so have committed to spending 1 day a week off work for it which is helping things move along somewhat. Last years house renovation took me a little bit longer than anticipated.

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By the time I sail the Musto skiff a little, do some cycling, look after the kids and the wife to stay married them probably a good few years down the line:) I am self employed so have committed to spending 1 day a week off work for it which is helping things move along somewhat. Last years house renovation took me a little bit longer than anticipated.

Hang in there..... Keep that up and you'll have it all in the end! :)

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