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On 6/12/2013 at 4:14 PM, PIL66 - XL2 said:

 

Man I hope so.....She was one powerful boat offshore in a blow and Nudd used to have go....... .So sad to see these things not used. We could start a thread on the many jems minding moorings.

XL2..Shotover 2...Matchless...Raw Nerv and that's just in NSW

It's funny to look back at comments from 7 years ago.......... I bought it, wrecked it, rebuilt it and ready for round two

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It's funny to look back at comments from 7 years ago.......... I bought it, wrecked it, rebuilt it and ready for round two

No, Ave looks great, sails great, and the people on her were lovely when they were over here. Bottman, please put your energy into your reno so we can celebrate your success one day in a positive

The old girl XL2 was relaunched this morning after repair / rebuild / and upgrades Thanks to all that helped after the capsize and then the journey upside down to Bermagui before being written of

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Does anyone have any first/second hand accounts of how Ave Gitana's electric propulsion working? As well as any other comments about Ave -- why was the mast replaced, how decent/cruisable is its interior, where is the extra ton of displacement compared to Bullfrog comes from?

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23 hours ago, EarthBM said:

Does anyone have any first/second hand accounts of how Ave Gitana's electric propulsion working? As well as any other comments about Ave -- why was the mast replaced, how decent/cruisable is its interior, where is the extra ton of displacement compared to Bullfrog comes from?

Go to Multihull appreciation Society on Facebook.... that question will be answered 

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23 hours ago, EarthBM said:

Does anyone have any first/second hand accounts of how Ave Gitana's electric propulsion working? As well as any other comments about Ave -- why was the mast replaced, how decent/cruisable is its interior, where is the extra ton of displacement compared to Bullfrog comes from?

I have not sailed on the boat but raced against it a few times, been on it etc.

She is a purist racing tri. Minimalist interior. Not easy to move around inside, bulkheads etc.

I think she would be lighter than bullfrog if they were both weighed at the same time on the same scales.

Electric drive works well in and out of marinas etc but it means there is no charging except for solar. this has always been an issue for anything other than day racing.

She has quite a big rig which i guess it is why it was changed.

When I saw her she was well maintained and the owner had spent a lot of money on her.

Good speed upwind in light conditions

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18 hours ago, bushsailor said:

I have not sailed on the boat but raced against it a few times, been on it etc.

She is a purist racing tri. Minimalist interior. Not easy to move around inside, bulkheads etc.

I think she would be lighter than bullfrog if they were both weighed at the same time on the same scales.

Electric drive works well in and out of marinas etc but it means there is no charging except for solar. this has always been an issue for anything other than day racing.

She has quite a big rig which i guess it is why it was changed.

When I saw her she was well maintained and the owner had spent a lot of money on her.

Good speed upwind in light conditions

Ave can also charge using the regeneration function of the engine not only using solar.

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14 hours ago, SeaGul said:

Looks great! What is the race weight of the boat without crew? I get its a lot of good sailors in AUS - but would i be faster with less people? 

Race weight less crew is 3200kg... Yes would be quicker with 4 instead of 6-7 but on day races there is constant gear changes. Every slow tack or slow mark rounding costs more than the weight penalty plus the boat is quite physical  ..... 1x helsman    1 x Main trim   1 x jib / screacher / kite trim    1 x dedicated grinder (Does center boards as well)    2 x bow / mid bow / mast.    We have Jib / Fro upwind/ fro downwind / kite....
The boys don't stop ... helps to have an extra for cleanup after maneuvers with 4 sets of sheets for forward sails, main, traveler and 5x halyards all being used. It's spaghetti ....
The vid on that day we knew we had breeze and the club commodore (Mono sailor) asked to come so we had 8 which is too many... In saying that, it didn't hurt too much as the angles were great and we had 15 + all day and we love introducing sailors to the multi world

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15 hours ago, PIL66 - XL2 said:

Race weight less crew is 3200kg... Yes would be quicker with 4 instead of 6-7 but on day races there is constant gear changes. Every slow tack or slow mark rounding costs more than the weight penalty plus the boat is quite physical  ..... 1x helsman    1 x Main trim   1 x jib / screacher / kite trim    1 x dedicated grinder (Does center boards as well)    2 x bow / mid bow / mast.    We have Jib / Fro upwind/ fro downwind / kite....
The boys don't stop ... helps to have an extra for cleanup after maneuvers with 4 sets of sheets for forward sails, main, traveler and 5x halyards all being used. It's spaghetti ....
The vid on that day we knew we had breeze and the club commodore (Mono sailor) asked to come so we had 8 which is too many... In saying that, it didn't hurt too much as the angles were great and we had 15 + all day and we love introducing sailors to the multi world

Its always great taking someone who hasn't sailed multis before out on a day like that.  Just watch the smile grow so big they can't wipe it off their face!

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All these multis are faster with less people but it is easier to sail with  more and is more fun. Our goal is to sail with 5 but we nearly always sail with more.

We often have mono sailors come out. One strange experience was a sceptic standing in the protected cabin casually stating "these cats are slow aren't they" when someone pointed out that we were doing 18kn he promptly sat down and was gripping the seat. He did enjoy it after a while .

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One of the best Older fast Aust multis is now on the market

This in my opinion is one of the greatest cats ever built here and it is still in perfect condition... The hull is Kevlar over foam the same as mine so it is bulletproof
asking around $280,000... Great value IMO.. I myself and very tempted

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Go for it Pil !

You only live once.   & it means you will go to your deathbed with a huge grin on your face,

knowing you have owned 2.... (NOT 1 but 2 !)     of australia's top/ iconic multihulls

+ a few others.

Can you sell the missus ?,  a child ?,  the family dog ? Hmm.....    :rolleyes:

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On 6/19/2021 at 11:24 AM, peterbike said:

Go for it Pil !

You only live once.   & it means you will go to your deathbed with a huge grin on your face,

knowing you have owned 2.... (NOT 1 but 2 !)     of australia's top/ iconic multihulls

+ a few others.

Can you sell the missus ?,  a child ?,  the family dog ? Hmm.....    :rolleyes:

Please don't encourage me, I can do that all day long.

No, me and my crew have decided to stay with XL2. We have have got all the systems just the way we want and the only advantage for us would be the extra legs TG would have offshore in breeze.

BTW: if i bought TG it would 3 iconic multis..... TG / XL2 / Pumpkin Eater

And... No one would buy my kids, my misses is expensive and my dog would never be for sale at any cost.

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On 6/18/2021 at 11:23 AM, PIL66 - XL2 said:

One of the best Older fast Aust multis is now on the market

This in my opinion is one of the greatest cats ever built here and it is still in perfect condition... The hull is Kevlar over foam the same as mine so it is bulletproof
asking around $280,000... Great value IMO.. I myself and very tempted

TG.jpg

What is the average core thickness and weight of the Kevlar layup for these ships?

The first Kevlar nomex boat the 18ft skiff Ch7  for Murray sailed on for about 10 years with no problems the owner only stopped sailing it because he upgraded to a faster boat. It stayed light and didn't absorb as much water as the later carbon nomex boats.

Kevlar nomex was used for the Mike Birch cat Formula Tag which then became ENZA  then went to Tracy Edwards followed by Tony Bullimore which showed good durability.

Curious to see what Lock suggested for layups for these cats.

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21 hours ago, Mohammed Bin Lyin said:

What is the average core thickness and weight of the Kevlar layup for these ships?

The first Kevlar nomex boat the 18ft skiff Ch7  for Murray sailed on for about 10 years with no problems the owner only stopped sailing it because he upgraded to a faster boat. It stayed light and didn't absorb as much water as the later carbon nomex boats.

Kevlar nomex was used for the Mike Birch cat Formula Tag which then became ENZA  then went to Tracy Edwards followed by Tony Bullimore which showed good durability.

Curious to see what Lock suggested for layups for these cats.

Paul Nudd or Geoff Cruise could answer that... All I can say is the big overhaul we just did proved how tough these are... They don't build them like that anymore 

And on any boat... not Aussie but Kiwi

https://truenorthmarine.co.nz/1987-blade-runner-13-5m-custom-slime/?fbclid=IwAR3F8KSV8lIkCpCEA2wBM21FLN-1c9mTaZXjdo5EVe9y24Vuyo-i5WdaNVs

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On 6/21/2021 at 9:01 AM, PIL66 - XL2 said:

, my misses is expensive 

There's your answer right there.

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Lock in the eighties speced kevlar cloth only as a layer on the inside of the foam with double bias non woven cloth, and triax non woven cloth on the outside of 20mm H80 Divinycell for 35-45 foot boats  the daggerboards used Kevlar unis from forward around the back of daggerboard cases then forward again ....the inside to outside laminate near the board having no core nearby    maybe after Gavin hit the whale   but nothing is going to help if more than a glancing blow 

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