Potter 671 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Team SCA should pull a Team Austrailia in the AC and just pull out now cause they know they can't win. Embarrassing that they have been sailing the boat longer than anyone else and are that off the pace, even worse for them that Iker and team have been at it for a week and are leaps and bounds ahead of them. 2 things: 1) Despite the time differential on the 65 there will still be more big boat experience on the either Brunel or Mapfre than on SCA. Other than something like this VOR team there is little or no chance of women sailing together on big boats. 2) Leaps and bounds? How do you know that? If you looked at the first 2 legs of the last VOR would you have told Groupama to give up and go home, or are you just a troll? Link to post Share on other sites
nroose 211 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Not sure exactly how they are doing, but I expect that they are in for the duration and I admire them for that. And this is one race and hopefully they will learn from it, and do better in the VOR because of it. The VOR is about more than just winning (as most races are). Link to post Share on other sites
staysail 326 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Nice looking set of brand new sails. Not even logoed yet..http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lx0KCzLcFNs/U8qej8USrCI/AAAAAAAAnpU/h4uLKGBy6AU/s1600/DSC_7441_1.JPG. Just wondering if that might affect upwind performance? My boat seems to point better and go faster after I have just bought new sails, or is that just my imagination? Link to post Share on other sites
couchsurfer 220 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Nice looking set of brand new sails. Not even logoed yet..http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lx0KCzLcFNs/U8qej8USrCI/AAAAAAAAnpU/h4uLKGBy6AU/s1600/DSC_7441_1.JPG. Just wondering if that might affect upwind performance? My boat seems to point better and go faster after I have just bought new sails, or is that just my imagination? . ...certainly always get that feeling when a new sail replaces a shagged one---I wouldn't think the difference would be so uge between the VO's,though I guess the SCA's have the most mileage Link to post Share on other sites
joeboy 7 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Think you guys are overreacting a bit re: SCA based on what, one day of sailing? They tried one little move closer to the mainland that didn't really work out for them, but they don't look to be off the pace other than that. Brunel put some distance on Campos lately too. Should they go home also? Link to post Share on other sites
Nauti Buoy 47 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Team SCA should pull a Team Austrailia in the AC and just pull out now cause they know they can't win. Embarrassing that they have been sailing the boat longer than anyone else and are that off the pace, even worse for them that Iker and team have been at it for a week and are leaps and bounds ahead of them. 2 things:1) Despite the time differential on the 65 there will still be more big boat experience on the either Brunel or Mapfre than on SCA. Other than something like this VOR team there is little or no chance of women sailing together on big boats. 2) Leaps and bounds? How do you know that? If you looked at the first 2 legs of the last VOR would you have told Groupama to give up and go home, or are you just a troll? First, I don't really think they should quit, I was trying to poke a bit of fun at Team AUS for quitting, but I am a bit shocked at SCA's performance. When you look at what happened in the first two legs last time tactically groupama faultered, but with the amount of time SCA has had I thought they'd be infront or right with Brunel right now. I'm not saying just cause they are losing they should give up, I am shocked that they aren't at the front. Link to post Share on other sites
corkob 60 Posted July 20, 2014 Author Share Posted July 20, 2014 This is a round islands race. Not what the VO65 was designed for. These type of races are a bit of a lottery. It's how they will square up in a long leg with the additional bodies remains to be seen. I expect they will be well up there. Team Campos and Brunel are going to be tough nuts to crack. No amateurs there. Link to post Share on other sites
Sailbydate 2,874 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 This is a round islands race. Not what the VO65 was designed for. These type of races are a bit of a lottery. It's how they will square up in a long leg with the additional bodies remains to be seen. I expect they will be well up there. Team Campos and Brunel are going to be tough nuts to crack. No amateurs there. And yet they are OD - so it doesn't matter WHAT they are designed for. Keep up. Link to post Share on other sites
3to1 499 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 in the end: 1) campos 2) brunel 3) sca Link to post Share on other sites
smackdaddy 313 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Thats what I like about this OD race. It accentuates the question of "What does it really take to win?" There is something to that. Link to post Share on other sites
joeboy 7 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 in the end: 1) campos 2) brunel 3) sca In this race? Campos has their work cut out for them, then. Link to post Share on other sites
3to1 499 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 why, what are they off the back? haven't been following it. Link to post Share on other sites
3to1 499 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Thats what I like about this OD race. It accentuates the question of "What does it really take to win?" There is something to that. +1 Link to post Share on other sites
mikemt 0 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 as per this morning, Brunel is leading by 20nm. The girls are very close to Iker & co. Drag reaching game until the end from now on. Link to post Share on other sites
European Bloke 490 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 The 2 photos of SCA on the VS site have them with the sails stacked to leeward... Hope that was not for long. Shifting the stack would have cast a shadow and interfered with the tanning, you know that you can't interfere with the tanning. Link to post Share on other sites
staysail 326 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 To the folk who posted the following comments: -1) The 2 photos of SCA on the VS site have them with the sails stacked to leeward... Hope that was not for long.2) Team SCA should pull a Team Austrailia in the AC and just pull out now cause they know they can't win. Embarrassing that they have been sailing the boat longer than anyone else and are that off the pace, even worse for them that Iker and team have been at it for a week and are leaps and bounds ahead of them.3) Shifting the stack would have cast a shadow and interfered with the tanning, you know that you can't interfere with the tanning.Re 1) You must know the photo was taken pre-start and the stack is actually on the correct side. 2) Team SCA have been selecting crew most of the time since there are not too many girls around who have the relevant experience and they have hardly done any racing yet as a crew, and 3) Do you really think anyone except you thinks that is a very funny joke?Pretty sad, you folk who get a kick out of making these kind of comments. Link to post Share on other sites
alcoholfunnycar 1 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Not sure which is more dim, this thread or saying this thread accentuates what it really takes to win. Link to post Share on other sites
ITA602 40 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Ok, let's shuffle the deck... Who is the 7th team? Come on insiders!!!! ETNZ keeping a feet in two shoes as it has not fulfilled the pllication for the next AC? Link to post Share on other sites
Presuming Ed 189 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 https://www.flickr.com/photos/teamsca/ http://teamsca.com/blog/pulling-through Link to post Share on other sites
nroose 211 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 You must know the photo was taken pre-start and the stack is actually on the correct side. Pretty sad, you folk who get a kick out of making these kind of comments. I did not know that. How must I know that? There is almost no coverage of this race. No, I didn't get a kick out of it. I noticed it. And commented that I noticed it. And I said I hoped it was not for long. Link to post Share on other sites
smackdaddy 313 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Not sure which is more dim, this thread or saying this thread accentuates what it really takes to win. Heh-heh. Oh, please funnycar - become the shining beacon for the thread. My point is, if if individual design is taken out of the equation - then it becomes much more about the talent on the boat. I think that's good. You might not. And that's okay...except for the fact you're wrong. Link to post Share on other sites
Francis Vaughan 636 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Ok, let's shuffle the deck... Who is the 7th team? Come on insiders!!!! ETNZ keeping a feet in two shoes as it has not fulfilled the pllication for the next AC? I was hoping Mean Machine might, but considering they faded away a few years ago and Peter de Ridder is 68, it won't be them Soldini and crew must still rate as a possibility. But Maserati won't be a welcome sponsor. He does however have a complete team of experienced sailors sitting in a VO70 as we speak. Whatever the 7th team is, they must have a complete crew, and a crew of race seasoned sailors. There is zero time to get up to speed now. Not for a whole crew. So, what are they sailing? It would be interesting to look around and take an inventory of the VO70s still sailing. There might be a clue. There are three down here in Oz, but I doubt there is an Oz team, and if there were, they would not be playing coy. A few more are easy to find, some current teams have one. A couple more are sailing in rather reduced circumstances. But there must be close to ten I have no idea about. I wonder where they are? I'm going to bet it actually is Soldini with the 7th team. For no other reason than I can't think of anyone else. I rate it as about 20% chance. But I have no idea who to fill the other 80% in with. I still wish it was Cammas, but that is pretty clearly not going to happen. Link to post Share on other sites
Francis Vaughan 636 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 as per this morning, Brunel is leading by 20nm. The girls are very close to Iker & co. Drag reaching game until the end from now on. 10 hours later, and not much has changed. Pretty much wrapped up now. Nobody has made any gains on anyone else. Given the nature of the race, I think the only things we can infer form the results is that no one is uncompetitive, and as we expected, navigation is going to win you the race. Link to post Share on other sites
couchsurfer 220 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 as per this morning, Brunel is leading by 20nm. The girls are very close to Iker & co. Drag reaching game until the end from now on. 10 hours later, and not much has changed. Pretty much wrapped up now. Nobody has made any gains on anyone else. Given the nature of the race, I think the only things we can infer form the results is that no one is uncompetitive, and as we expected, navigation is going to win you the race. . ..sounds exciting,,can't wait........no 'breaks' for design advantages = lots of pressure on all,,especially the Nav's Link to post Share on other sites
alcoholfunnycar 1 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Not sure which is more dim, this thread or saying this thread accentuates what it really takes to win. Heh-heh. Oh, please funnycar - become the shining beacon for the thread. My point is, if if individual design is taken out of the equation - then it becomes much more about the talent on the boat. I think that's good. You might not. And that's okay...except for the fact you're wrong. The best team didn't win the last VOR? I suppose if you are Ian Walker you believe that. Link to post Share on other sites
Chilli Eater 1 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 good battle going on between Boat 2 and Boat 7....... is there a passing lane for Boat 2 before the finish ........ Link to post Share on other sites
Potter 671 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 good battle going on between Boat 2 and Boat 7....... is there a passing lane for Boat 2 before the finish ........ I would guess not, though they may have a few sail changes as they hit the acceleration zone at the bottom of Lanzarote. Maybe a drop in pressure as the sun goes down. Link to post Share on other sites
Potter 671 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I think we might see a lot of match racing around the world... Link to post Share on other sites
smackdaddy 313 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Not sure which is more dim, this thread or saying this thread accentuates what it really takes to win. Heh-heh. Oh, please funnycar - become the shining beacon for the thread. My point is, if if individual design is taken out of the equation - then it becomes much more about the talent on the boat. I think that's good. You might not. And that's okay...except for the fact you're wrong. The best team didn't win the last VOR? I suppose if you are Ian Walker you believe that. Groupama definitely had the best combo. So yes. The best team won. Let's see what kind of breakages we have in this race. At this level it's usually he who breaks less or breaks at the most opportune time is he who wins. The OD approach evens out that part of the equation. So it will be interesting to watch. If these OD Link to post Share on other sites
couchsurfer 220 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I think we might see a lot of match racing around the world... . .....I'd think it'd be more like tight fleet racing,,,,perhaps match racing if 2 breakaway either to the front or back Link to post Share on other sites
pkerschb 0 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Hello from far away lands. So... there are 6 teams on the water, and a 7th in the wings. Number 7 chose not to announce until all other entries were announced, and thus is able to capitalize on the media attention entering so close tot he start. The announcement is expected sometime mid-August, as they plan to announce as close to the Alicante assembly date - 8 September 2014 - as possible. The team is well funded, and well crewed. Link to post Share on other sites
mikemt 0 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Hello from far away lands. So... there are 6 teams on the water, and a 7th in the wings. Number 7 chose not to announce until all other entries were announced, and thus is able to capitalize on the media attention entering so close tot he start. The announcement is expected sometime mid-August, as they plan to announce as close to the Alicante assembly date - 8 September 2014 - as possible. The team is well funded, and well crewed. Sorry, but I don't buy the media splash argument at all. You tried the same one with the Spanish team with Mich's announcement (who is still only officially a coach), and there was no major media attention, just the expected anyhow from the sailing media and the hard core fans like us. IMHO only reason to delay is lack of funding or internal politics at a sponsor (at Mapfre most likely). Anyway, at the end it doesn't really matter, hopefully team #7 makes it. As just proven by Campos, the OD element levels the field big time. With less the a week of sailing on the VO65, they managed to beat the best funded team. On the crew, some of the usual suspects from ETNZ must be the ones involved... Nico, etc. Link to post Share on other sites
WetHog 568 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Holy Crap I hope the VOR is fun to follow this time around. With the AC turning into a complete debacle I need the VOR to fill the void. WetHog Link to post Share on other sites
pkerschb 0 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 mikemt with all due respect, I am sorry that the actual explanations of fact, are not sufficient for you. The game of sponsorship is very different, and funding has been extremely difficult to attain without significant help from private entities and race organizers. the companies that are well versed in the realm of sports, especially extreme sports, as a means of marketing, have steered clear of the race. For heavens sake, even the company hired to do metrics for the event could not find an interested party to sponsor a team. This edition in particular has been extremely challenging, due to myriad factors, notwithstanding the simple fact that the commercial elements of the race are almost entirely controlled by VOR. In fact, VOR has been involved in every sponsorship negation. The Spaniards opted not to make a significant announcement, because it is costly to do so with any ROI, and somewhat unnecessary at this late stage. Additionally, what difference does it make that MD is listed as a coach? Should we not be thrilled that he is involved in any capacity. Given the history of TC, and the way it conducts itself, should we not be ever hopeful hat he will be aboard for the entire duration of this auspicious offshore event. Daft I dare say, daft you are. Link to post Share on other sites
3to1 499 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 as per this morning, Brunel is leading by 20nm. The girls are very close to Iker & co. Drag reaching game until the end from now on. thanks. Link to post Share on other sites
3to1 499 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Holy Crap I hope the VOR is fun to follow this time around. With the AC turning into a complete debacle I need the VOR to fill the void. WetHog speculating, but I think the racing is going to be for real, everybody is going to have to scrap to take miles. Link to post Share on other sites
mikemt 0 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 mikemt with all due respect, I am sorry that the actual explanations of fact, are not sufficient for you. The game of sponsorship is very different, and funding has been extremely difficult to attain without significant help from private entities and race organizers. the companies that are well versed in the realm of sports, especially extreme sports, as a means of marketing, have steered clear of the race. For heavens sake, even the company hired to do metrics for the event could not find an interested party to sponsor a team. This edition in particular has been extremely challenging, due to myriad factors, notwithstanding the simple fact that the commercial elements of the race are almost entirely controlled by VOR. In fact, VOR has been involved in every sponsorship negation. The Spaniards opted not to make a significant announcement, because it is costly to do so with any ROI, and somewhat unnecessary at this late stage. Additionally, what difference does it make that MD is listed as a coach? Should we not be thrilled that he is involved in any capacity. Given the history of TC, and the way it conducts itself, should we not be ever hopeful hat he will be aboard for the entire duration of this auspicious offshore event. Daft I dare say, daft you are. thanks for acknowledging the fact that the delay in announcing is due to lack of funding/sponsors, not because of media. That was just my point, as I am very well aware of the tremendous difficulties to raise 12-15 Million Euros (+activation) for this event. I was anyhow convinced that seven boats were going to be on the starting line, since seven were being built and Volvo has the means to financially help the purchase of it (via leasing, straight cash, whatsoever). Anyhow, as I tried to say before, for the average viewer and Volvo's target audience, it doesn't matter when the teams are announced or how long are they training. These people will only follow once the race has started and once some drama unfolds (hopefully nothing major happens). Daft? I had to check this one on the dictionary, I have to admit. A pity we are getting personal. Nobody is perfect, I guess, not even our friend Krash. Link to post Share on other sites
couchsurfer 220 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Holy Crap I hope the VOR is fun to follow this time around. With the AC turning into a complete debacle I need the VOR to fill the void. WetHog speculating, but I think the racing is going to be for real, everybody is going to have to scrap to take miles. . ...yeh,,,there were some close finishes in past rounds....it'll only be closer this time! Link to post Share on other sites
pkerschb 0 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 mikemt with all due respect, I am sorry that the actual explanations of fact, are not sufficient for you. The game of sponsorship is very different, and funding has been extremely difficult to attain without significant help from private entities and race organizers. the companies that are well versed in the realm of sports, especially extreme sports, as a means of marketing, have steered clear of the race. For heavens sake, even the company hired to do metrics for the event could not find an interested party to sponsor a team. This edition in particular has been extremely challenging, due to myriad factors, notwithstanding the simple fact that the commercial elements of the race are almost entirely controlled by VOR. In fact, VOR has been involved in every sponsorship negation. The Spaniards opted not to make a significant announcement, because it is costly to do so with any ROI, and somewhat unnecessary at this late stage. Additionally, what difference does it make that MD is listed as a coach? Should we not be thrilled that he is involved in any capacity. Given the history of TC, and the way it conducts itself, should we not be ever hopeful hat he will be aboard for the entire duration of this auspicious offshore event. Daft I dare say, daft you are. thanks for acknowledging the fact that the delay in announcing is due to lack of funding/sponsors, not because of media. That was just my point, as I am very well aware of the tremendous difficulties to raise 12-15 Million Euros (+activation) for this event. I was anyhow convinced that seven boats were going to be on the starting line, since seven were being built and Volvo has the means to financially help the purchase of it (via leasing, straight cash, whatsoever). Anyhow, as I tried to say before, for the average viewer and Volvo's target audience, it doesn't matter when the teams are announced or how long are they training. These people will only follow once the race has started and once some drama unfolds (hopefully nothing major happens). Daft? I had to check this one on the dictionary, I have to admit. A pity we are getting personal. Nobody is perfect, I guess, not even our friend Krash. mikemt, I apologize that you took my "daft" statement as an insult. It was a cheeky comment in specific reference to MD and his role with TC. It was not intended to be an insult at all. By definition it means silly, or foolish. I used the word in reference to your comment regarding MD "who is still only officially a coach", as MD is much more than that, which should be fully apparent by now. Link to post Share on other sites
mikemt 0 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 mikemt with all due respect, I am sorry that the actual explanations of fact, are not sufficient for you. The game of sponsorship is very different, and funding has been extremely difficult to attain without significant help from private entities and race organizers. the companies that are well versed in the realm of sports, especially extreme sports, as a means of marketing, have steered clear of the race. For heavens sake, even the company hired to do metrics for the event could not find an interested party to sponsor a team. This edition in particular has been extremely challenging, due to myriad factors, notwithstanding the simple fact that the commercial elements of the race are almost entirely controlled by VOR. In fact, VOR has been involved in every sponsorship negation. The Spaniards opted not to make a significant announcement, because it is costly to do so with any ROI, and somewhat unnecessary at this late stage. Additionally, what difference does it make that MD is listed as a coach? Should we not be thrilled that he is involved in any capacity. Given the history of TC, and the way it conducts itself, should we not be ever hopeful hat he will be aboard for the entire duration of this auspicious offshore event. Daft I dare say, daft you are. thanks for acknowledging the fact that the delay in announcing is due to lack of funding/sponsors, not because of media. That was just my point, as I am very well aware of the tremendous difficulties to raise 12-15 Million Euros (+activation) for this event. I was anyhow convinced that seven boats were going to be on the starting line, since seven were being built and Volvo has the means to financially help the purchase of it (via leasing, straight cash, whatsoever). Anyhow, as I tried to say before, for the average viewer and Volvo's target audience, it doesn't matter when the teams are announced or how long are they training. These people will only follow once the race has started and once some drama unfolds (hopefully nothing major happens). Daft? I had to check this one on the dictionary, I have to admit. A pity we are getting personal. Nobody is perfect, I guess, not even our friend Krash. mikemt, I apologize that you took my "daft" statement as an insult. It was a cheeky comment in specific reference to MD and his role with TC. It was not intended to be an insult at all. By definition it means silly, or foolish. I used the word in reference to your comment regarding MD "who is still only officially a coach", as MD is much more than that, which should be fully apparent by now. apologies accepted. No issue. On MD, yeap, it is clear that he is going to play a huge role in the team. Not sure why they are not announcing it properly... . The internal politics at Team Campos are always very intriguing. Link to post Share on other sites
LeoV 2,312 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 I always take it as a compliment if they call me daft But come on, who is the 7th... It would surprise me if it was a Dutch effort with Russian money, as mentioned before, in the current political state both countries are in. Link to post Share on other sites
couchsurfer 220 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 I always take it as a compliment if they call me daft But come on, who is the 7th... It would surprise me if it was a Dutch effort with Russian money, as mentioned before, in the current political state both countries are in. . ....yeh,,could be some 'infighting' if it's a Dutch/Ruskie effort Link to post Share on other sites
alcoholfunnycar 1 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 the companies that are well versed in the realm of sports, especially extreme sports, as a means of marketing, have steered clear of the race. For heavens sake, even the company hired to do metrics for the event could not find an interested party to sponsor a team. This edition in particular has been extremely challenging, due to myriad factors, notwithstanding the simple fact that the commercial elements of the race are almost entirely controlled by VOR. In fact, VOR has been involved in every sponsorship negation. The Spaniards opted not to make a significant announcement, because it is costly to do so with any ROI, and somewhat unnecessary at this late stage. The problem wasn't box rule/one design. The problem is Volvo. Why would any team not wait until the very last possible moment to announce? There is nothing to be gained by it. No ROI at all, and no competitive advantage at all. Link to post Share on other sites
pkerschb 0 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 the companies that are well versed in the realm of sports, especially extreme sports, as a means of marketing, have steered clear of the race. For heavens sake, even the company hired to do metrics for the event could not find an interested party to sponsor a team. This edition in particular has been extremely challenging, due to myriad factors, notwithstanding the simple fact that the commercial elements of the race are almost entirely controlled by VOR. In fact, VOR has been involved in every sponsorship negation. The Spaniards opted not to make a significant announcement, because it is costly to do so with any ROI, and somewhat unnecessary at this late stage. The problem wasn't box rule/one design. The problem is Volvo. Why would any team not wait until the very last possible moment to announce? There is nothing to be gained by it. No ROI at all, and no competitive advantage at all. navigation The race is going to be a truly great spectacle to watch, as the racing is going to rely solely on the crew, and the individual navigation decisions that are made. At this point, there is no need to announce other than to say, we are racing. There is nothing to be gained, and as I said previously, the media attention required to gain any pre-race ROI is expensive, and a sum that should not be spent when teams are still struggling to secure full funding. Link to post Share on other sites
Soley 37 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Krashwerks cryptic bullshit as usual Link to post Share on other sites
Potter 671 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 the companies that are well versed in the realm of sports, especially extreme sports, as a means of marketing, have steered clear of the race. For heavens sake, even the company hired to do metrics for the event could not find an interested party to sponsor a team. This edition in particular has been extremely challenging, due to myriad factors, notwithstanding the simple fact that the commercial elements of the race are almost entirely controlled by VOR. In fact, VOR has been involved in every sponsorship negation. The Spaniards opted not to make a significant announcement, because it is costly to do so with any ROI, and somewhat unnecessary at this late stage. The problem wasn't box rule/one design. The problem is Volvo. Why would any team not wait until the very last possible moment to announce? There is nothing to be gained by it. No ROI at all, and no competitive advantage at all. navigation The race is going to be a truly great spectacle to watch, as the racing is going to rely solely on the crew, and the individual navigation decisions that are made. At this point, there is no need to announce other than to say, we are racing. There is nothing to be gained, and as I said previously, the media attention required to gain any pre-race ROI is expensive, and a sum that should not be spent when teams are still struggling to secure full funding. Interesting. Why do you think the ROI before the race is expensive? In my experience it is not. If you time it right you can garner better media attention per dollar due to not sharing it with all the other teams. During the race the media coverage basically covers the leader and the current boat having a problem (eg Hugo Boss). To be honest it is my experience that classic media ROI is a bad reason to choose to do the VOR. You need to be thinking of internal communication, ROO, or simply commercial deals. VOR just does not give a high enough ratio on ROI to give most corporations enough reason to get involved. Link to post Share on other sites
couchsurfer 220 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Krashwerks cryptic bullshit as usual . ...you can talk ....... ''Location:This side of the Atlantic Interests:Take a guess. It ain't too hard.....'' Link to post Share on other sites
left hook 5 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Krashwerks cryptic bullshit as usual . ...you can talk ....... ''Location:This side of the Atlantic Interests:Take a guess. It ain't too hard.....'' Very rarely... and I mean VERY... are you funny. This is one of those times Link to post Share on other sites
Chilli Eater 1 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Well done to Boat 3 for the win.... Shame Boat 2 couldn't over take Boat 7....... The round the UK could be fun..... Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,949 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Krashwerks cryptic bullshit as usual To be fair he's been more accurate than most. IMO Link to post Share on other sites
couchsurfer 220 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Krashwerks cryptic bullshit as usual . ...you can talk ....... ''Location:This side of the Atlantic Interests:Take a guess. It ain't too hard.....'' Very rarely... and I mean VERY... are you funny. This is one of those times . ....thanks Lefty....I suppose sometimes I try too hard to be funny,, ..........but -you- make it easy!! Link to post Share on other sites
pkerschb 0 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 I am not sure how my commentary can be construed as cryptic, or bullshit. Additionally, the ROI of announcing a team, especially a European team during the World Cup period simply did not make economic sense, as the announcement would have been on the bottom of the sports page. If a team has yet to fully develop its B2B platform, nor it's full activation plan, announcing is simply an afterthought, as it does not benefit a particular stakeholder. I will be interested in reading the press coverage and interviews from the prize giving at Marina Rubicon. It will be nice to see how each skipper feels about the vessels under race conditions. Link to post Share on other sites
ITA602 40 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 No, please... Soldini no... Link to post Share on other sites
AWASP 12 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Saw some mention of Maserati but discounted it because it's usually all bullshit on that page ;-) Link to post Share on other sites
Soley 37 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Krashwerks cryptic bullshit as usual . ...you can talk ....... ''Location:This side of the Atlantic Interests:Take a guess. It ain't too hard.....'' Touché Link to post Share on other sites
couchsurfer 220 Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 . ....a showdown of the 3 boats.....and the VO world goes silent----I don't get it Link to post Share on other sites
3to1 499 Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 strange, especially considering it is the highest profile ocean race in the world. Link to post Share on other sites
nroose 211 Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 I'm guessing that they didn't have the budget to do something that they thought was befitting of the event, and they want to focus on the actual race that is the highest profile ocean race in the world. Link to post Share on other sites
edouard 0 Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 I'm guessing that they didn't have the budget to do something that they thought was befitting of the event, and they want to focus on the actual race that is the highest profile ocean race in the world. A small effort such as what the Vendée Globe organizers do on their website wouldn't cost that much and would start bringing the attention to their race. It's an opportunity to remind the potential audience when their race starts grabbing their attention with real racing news rather than silly behind the scenes videos. But there is no surprise there. Since 1994 Whitbread/VOR has never made any effort to create a dynamic around their class of boats engaged in other events. As if it could be detrimental to their status of "highest profile ocean race in the world" (whatever that is supposed to mean). Link to post Share on other sites
couchsurfer 220 Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 . ......"highest profile ocean race in the world"...would perhaps seem appropriate only while the race is underway,,,but certainly there's other races that can easily claim that title ,,,when they're underway too --the SydHoRace comes to mind ...I'd suggest that each time things go quiet like this ,,,,that we in the 'bleechers' start shouting and chucking things at the stage.....until they send-up some entertainment ...who'd buy a volva anyways --about as un-entertaining as things can be Link to post Share on other sites
Sailbydate 2,874 Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 . ....a showdown of the 3 boats.....and the VO world goes silent----I don't get it They've all left the building already? Link to post Share on other sites
mikemt 0 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 pretty interesting scoop from the front page about the Mean Machine owner sailing with a VO65 (which one??)... this could be definitely be team #7 as a rich owner wouldn't care about the early training and the media attention, and would fit with the rumors saying that the seventh team was from Dutch origin... Link to post Share on other sites
Boatleg 0 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 PDR is many things, but stupid is not one of them... Link to post Share on other sites
PBDR 0 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Thanks boatleg - Link to post Share on other sites
couchsurfer 220 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 .....''PDR is many things, but stupid is not one of them''.............yeh,,Clean's got that corner covered already. ...rumor mill indeed. Link to post Share on other sites
3to1 499 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 lookin' good. Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 3,854 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Thanks boatleg - At least YOU know who I got the pic from! Link to post Share on other sites
blackdam 0 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Danish media claims the "missing" boat will be Danish Link to post Share on other sites
Kensentme 0 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 You shure blackdam? What media? Well one of the VOR main sponsors are danish. They are already into sailing (but with cargo) and probably one of the few Danish company's with enough funds. Link to post Share on other sites
pkerschb 0 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Blackdam is correct. It is a large Danish company with a global presence. As I have said previously, they are expected to announce Mid-August. Link to post Share on other sites
mjvv 0 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Danish? A VO65 build of Lego blocks? Link to post Share on other sites
Monkey 1,407 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Blackdam is correct. It is a large Danish company with a global presence. As I have said previously, they are expected to announce Mid-August. I'm betting on Holmatro. Link to post Share on other sites
Kensentme 0 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Dont think Holmatro is Danish. Could be Vestas wind systems or Maersk shipping. But more important, who will crew it??? If its true it would be the first Danish entry since SAS Baia Viking in Whitbread 85-86. I keep my fingers crossed! Would be an enormous boost for Danish sailing. I had the pleasure of "racing" against Brunel in the Round Sealand Race in June. Pleasure was short though. Made a video from the Race: https://vimeo.com/100827921 45 seconds into the video Brunel passes in the background sporting a huge code 0 and that was it. But big ups to the Brunel team for participating in the Race! Link to post Share on other sites
Monkey 1,407 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Dont think Holmatro is Danish. Could be Vestas wind systems or Maersk shipping. But more important, who will crew it??? If its true it would be the first Danish entry since SAS Baia Viking in Whitbread 85-86. I keep my fingers crossed! Would be an enormous boost for Danish sailing. I had the pleasure of "racing" against Brunel in the Round Sealand Race in June. Pleasure was short though. Made a video from the Race: https://vimeo.com/100827921 45 seconds into the video Brunel passes in the background sporting a huge code 0 and that was it. But big ups to the Brunel team for participating in the Race! You're right, I mixed up Dutch and Danish. Oops! Link to post Share on other sites
bigrpowr 209 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 gotta be Maersk. Link to post Share on other sites
Francis Vaughan 636 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 I would be pretty awesome if it were Maersk. That is a whole different level of sponsorship, and would made some degree of sense given their long term relationship with the race. OTOH, Lego would be a brilliant left field sponsor. I don't think that historically they have done any such sponsorship, so seems less than likely. But maybe we could have Lego VO65 kits. At least there would be an excuse for the hard chines. Link to post Share on other sites
Chilli Eater 1 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Is the little mermaid skipper? Link to post Share on other sites
left hook 5 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Wasn't Maersk a sponsor of Sanya in the last go-round? Maybe they liked it. Link to post Share on other sites
pkerschb 0 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Maersk is in heavily involved in the event as the official shipping partner of the race. They assumed the role of Thrane&Thrane. The mystery sponsor is not Maersk, and it is not Lego. Link to post Share on other sites
mad4it 0 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Think Sail Rocket - and you will get the sponsor. Think Australian and previous skipper and you will get the man in charge. Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,949 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Think Sail Rocket - and you will get the sponsor. Think Australian and previous skipper and you will get the man in charge. I Could be wrong, but I don't see Vestas going for it some how. Link to post Share on other sites
mad4it 0 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Im afraid you are wrong. Announcement soon. Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,949 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Im afraid you are wrong. Announcement soon. Don't mind being wrong on this one as many boats on the line, the better. Link to post Share on other sites
mad4it 0 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Haha couldn't agree more! Still not sure where Krashwerks media frenzy is going to come from though... Its a proper race now! Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,949 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Haha couldn't agree more! Still not sure where Krashwerks media frenzy is going to come from though... Its a proper race now! A last minute entry with a mixed crew would be a good one to pull out of the hat!! Link to post Share on other sites
Sailbydate 2,874 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Think Sail Rocket - and you will get the sponsor. Think Australian and previous skipper and you will get the man in charge. You're not suggesting Nico are you? Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 3,854 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 That's what I have been working on for the past three days. Our story is actually going up shortly. Link to post Share on other sites
mad4it 0 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 its not a suggestion Link to post Share on other sites
Sailbydate 2,874 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 its not a suggestion OK. Now you have my attention. Link to post Share on other sites
mad4it 0 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 That's what I have been working on for the past three days. Our story is actually going up shortly. Three days? You have to learn to touch type Clean its not a suggestion OK. Now you have my attention. Haha, the Volvo has just got interesting! Link to post Share on other sites
pkerschb 0 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Well said Clean. This has been a very very difficult program for me to keep quiet about, because it is really exciting, very credible, and well funded.. And the media frenzy may, or may not come, as there is speculation as to whether a last minute sponsor or two will be arriving to join the party as supporting members of an existing team quite close to the start... a la Pescanova in 2005-2006. One can only hope for the best. This is going to be a wonderful race, and I am especially excited about the Auckland and Newport stopovers. It will be wonderful to bring a sailor's event to these tremendous sailing communities. Link to post Share on other sites
3to1 499 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Nicholson? that's fuckin awesome, more big guns, better race. are they even on the water yet? Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 3,854 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 just talked to nico. a very funny conversation, and yes, i can confirm that he said 'no comment.' So yeah, he's in. From the front page (two minutes ago), we once again scoop the world, thanks in part to you guys! I found out about Nicho on Thursday and have been frantically working the comms for confirmation, which i got last night. As I wrote the story, you guys came up with the Vestas stuff, which I have now confirmed too. Nice work! http://sailinganarchy.com/2014/08/02/lucky-number-7/ Link to post Share on other sites
ASP 124 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 I now know who I'm pulling for this go round Link to post Share on other sites
Sailbydate 2,874 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 just talked to nico. a very funny conversation, and yes, i can confirm that he said 'no comment.' So yeah, he's in. From the front page (two minutes ago), we once again scoop the world, thanks in part to you guys! I found out about Nicho on Thursday and have been frantically working the comms for confirmation, which i got last night. As I wrote the story, you guys came up with the Vestas stuff, which I have now confirmed too. Nice work! http://sailinganarchy.com/2014/08/02/lucky-number-7/ Nice work, Mr Clean. Link to post Share on other sites
ASP 124 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 just talked to nico. a very funny conversation, and yes, i can confirm that he said 'no comment.' So yeah, he's in. From the front page (two minutes ago), we once again scoop the world, thanks in part to you guys! I found out about Nicho on Thursday and have been frantically working the comms for confirmation, which i got last night. As I wrote the story, you guys came up with the Vestas stuff, which I have now confirmed too. Nice work! http://sailinganarchy.com/2014/08/02/lucky-number-7/ Nice work, Mr Clean. +1 Link to post Share on other sites
Sailbydate 2,874 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 OK. So less than 8 weeks to get this show on the road. Go, Nicho. Link to post Share on other sites
smackdaddy 313 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Freakin' awesome. I was all in for Charlie and the boys - but Nico just blurred the loyalty lines for me quite a bit. He's a monster. Link to post Share on other sites
couchsurfer 220 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 ....... we once again scoop the world, ,,,, .....soo that's twice now!!?...way t'go SA! .......how many misfires? Link to post Share on other sites
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