Jump to content

Manhasset Fall Series


Recommended Posts

  • Replies 1.2k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Posts

Very well laid out race course. The line could have been better but applause to the RC for setting a reasonable course and for a fantastic party. 

Posted Images

Good luck at manhasset bay fall series, maybe next year. I'm moving a boat in open ocean. Even though its gonna be nice tommarow, I'm bustn out down jacket, down sleeping bag and every piece of rain gear I have for when it pours monday .

Link to post
Share on other sites

Nice day once the breeze came in.

yes, it was, though on race one the 1-min break between starts threw all of our watches off and we were way early, had to go back and got stuffed...

Link to post
Share on other sites

How is it that EBYRA let Breakaway race wed nights at 84? without weight credit that would put them at 87 with the declared 145% on their certificate. Seems like they probably used a larger headsail on many occasions?

 

EBYRA doesn't require a YRALIS PHRF certificate for Wednesday nights. For $10, they'll issue a rating for any configuration wanted excluding crew weight adjustments.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Nice day once the breeze came in.

yes, it was, though on race one the 1-min break between starts threw all of our watches off and we were way early, had to go back and got stuffed...

6 minutes between starts is generally not necessary, but it was well communicated by the RC that that was their intention.

It is if you start behind the 105's

Link to post
Share on other sites

How is it that EBYRA let Breakaway race wed nights at 84? without weight credit that would put them at 87 with the declared 145% on their certificate. Seems like they probably used a larger headsail on many occasions?

 

EBYRA doesn't require a YRALIS PHRF certificate for Wednesday nights. For $10, they'll issue a rating for any configuration wanted excluding crew weight adjustments.

Right, and the senile cigerette smoking drunk arbitrally gives you a rating

Link to post
Share on other sites

How is it that EBYRA let Breakaway race wed nights at 84? without weight credit that would put them at 87 with the declared 145% on their certificate. Seems like they probably used a larger headsail on many occasions?

It's not just EBYRA, they had a rating of 84 in the YRA of LIS Championships as well.

I'm sure it is just a typo, the 90 key looks just like the 84 key.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Nice day once the breeze came in.

yes, it was, though on race one the 1-min break between starts threw all of our watches off and we were way early, had to go back and got stuffed...

 

flags govern?

Yes, of course...

Link to post
Share on other sites

How is it that EBYRA let Breakaway race wed nights at 84? without weight credit that would put them at 87 with the declared 145% on their certificate. Seems like they probably used a larger headsail on many occasions?

It's not just EBYRA, they had a rating of 84 in the YRA of LIS Championships as well.

I'm sure it is just a typo, the 90 key looks just like the 84 key.

 

Breakaway is rated 90 for Manhasset Fall Series, 84 for AYC Fall Series and 87 for the Fall Classic. WTF?

Link to post
Share on other sites

How is it that EBYRA let Breakaway race wed nights at 84? without weight credit that would put them at 87 with the declared 145% on their certificate. Seems like they probably used a larger headsail on many occasions?

It's not just EBYRA, they had a rating of 84 in the YRA of LIS Championships as well.

I'm sure it is just a typo, the 90 key looks just like the 84 key.

 

Breakaway is rated 90 for Manhasset Fall Series, 84 for AYC Fall Series and 87 for the Fall Classic. WTF?

 

Call John, asap. A+ on the weather

Link to post
Share on other sites

How is it that EBYRA let Breakaway race wed nights at 84? without weight credit that would put them at 87 with the declared 145% on their certificate. Seems like they probably used a larger headsail on many occasions?

It's not just EBYRA, they had a rating of 84 in the YRA of LIS Championships as well.

I'm sure it is just a typo, the 90 key looks just like the 84 key.

 

Breakaway is rated 90 for Manhasset Fall Series, 84 for AYC Fall Series and 87 for the Fall Classic. WTF?

 

The fall classic used distance ratings and AYC let the 36.7s race level at 84 since they couldn't get enough boats on the line for a one-design start.

Link to post
Share on other sites

How is it that EBYRA let Breakaway race wed nights at 84? without weight credit that would put them at 87 with the declared 145% on their certificate. Seems like they probably used a larger headsail on many occasions?

It's not just EBYRA, they had a rating of 84 in the YRA of LIS Championships as well.

I'm sure it is just a typo, the 90 key looks just like the 84 key.

 

Breakaway is rated 90 for Manhasset Fall Series, 84 for AYC Fall Series and 87 for the Fall Classic. WTF?

 

The fall classic used distance ratings and AYC let the 36.7s race level at 84 since they couldn't get enough boats on the line for a one-design start.

Begging everyone's pardon, AYC, race committees, best friends, asshole buddies, whatever, the certificate is the certificate and the club or RC cannot "let" any boat race not in accordance with it's certificate under PHRF.
Link to post
Share on other sites

photos

 

photos

quecatsofai, thanks for the photos.

 

I think Kenny G has black patch on top of her mainsail so it looks like square top sail from a distance . . .

Yes, "Kenny G" sailing with North Sails...which seems very odd to me. You would think the boat would have been outfitted with the company brand.
Link to post
Share on other sites

How is it that EBYRA let Breakaway race wed nights at 84? without weight credit that would put them at 87 with the declared 145% on their certificate. Seems like they probably used a larger headsail on many occasions?

CI Hack, dont know the answer but I suspect from your question that you dont understand the rating system. It is a disadvantage to them to have the lower rating on wed nights. The higher the number the more time faster boats would have to give them and the less time they would have to give slower boats. I think 84 may be the standard 36.7 configuration for one design and allows the standard class #1 headsail. When sailing some phrf they can get a credit for smaller headsails or weight, I think.
Link to post
Share on other sites

How is it that EBYRA let Breakaway race wed nights at 84? without weight credit that would put them at 87 with the declared 145% on their certificate. Seems like they probably used a larger headsail on many occasions?

CI Hack, dont know the answer but I suspect from your question that you dont understand the rating system. It is a disadvantage to them to have the lower rating on wed nights. The higher the number the more time faster boats would have to give them and the less time they would have to give slower boats. I think 84 may be the standard 36.7 configuration for one design and allows the standard class #1 headsail. When sailing some phrf they can get a credit for smaller headsails or weight, I think.

Actually it had to do with sail size. You would be correct if they sailed at a lower rating with the same sail. I hardly think that is the case. To be perfectly clear I a almost positive that 84 or 87 is with a 155% headsail and 90 is with a 145%. YRA LIS members can view certificates and the copy that was given to me shows a distance rating of 87 and L/W of 90 with +3 for 145% and +3 for max weight of 1500 pounds.
Link to post
Share on other sites

According to my personal, extrasensory, waaaaaaaaaah-ne-mometer it blew 35 today. Good time on the distance race, though the ratio of beating:running was upsettingly bad... The curse of the downwind flyer - thankfully the company didn't suck.

 

Listen, you desperate attention whore, before you try to make your asinine bragging into a cute joke about yourself you might try apologizing for the deranged harangue you launched on the dozens who pointed out the absurdity of your "building to the 40s" nonsense.

 

Do us all a favor and shut up.

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

How is it that EBYRA let Breakaway race wed nights at 84? without weight credit that would put them at 87 with the declared 145% on their certificate. Seems like they probably used a larger headsail on many occasions?

It's not just EBYRA, they had a rating of 84 in the YRA of LIS Championships as well.

I'm sure it is just a typo, the 90 key looks just like the 84 key.

 

Breakaway is rated 90 for Manhasset Fall Series, 84 for AYC Fall Series and 87 for the Fall Classic. WTF?

 

Call John, asap. A+ on the weather

 

Grazie

Link to post
Share on other sites

is there really only 18 boats??? el sucko

Disappointing show by MBYC. Been doing this regatta since the early '80s and the club has always been a welcoming place with an excellent spread for all the racers afterwards. Now we are out on the patio with a ration of undercooked sausages. Well done! Looks like Riverside's management has taken over MBYC. On the water, a distance race in great fall conditions? Since when is 11.8 miles a distance race? I am starting to see why this series is going the way of the dodo.

Link to post
Share on other sites

is there really only 18 boats??? el sucko

Disappointing show by MBYC. Been doing this regatta since the early '80s and the club has always been a welcoming place with an excellent spread for all the racers afterwards. Now we are out on the patio with a ration of undercooked sausages. Well done! Looks like Riverside's management has taken over MBYC. On the water, a distance race in great fall conditions? Since when is 11.8 miles a distance race? I am starting to see why this series is going the way of the dodo.

 

I sent your comments to everyone at Manhasset Bay. For your information the long distance race has had the same courses for many years. Compared to a 3.5 mile windward leeward, yes, 11.8 miles is a distance race. The brautwurst was just tasty. I'm sorry you're not happy. We aim to please. We are very concerned why there is not more participation. There are many reasons for the lack of entries. Some of them are completely out of our hands. We will be doing what it takes to turn this event around.

Link to post
Share on other sites

is there really only 18 boats??? el sucko

Disappointing show by MBYC. Been doing this regatta since the early '80s and the club has always been a welcoming place with an excellent spread for all the racers afterwards. Now we are out on the patio with a ration of undercooked sausages. Well done! Looks like Riverside's management has taken over MBYC. On the water, a distance race in great fall conditions? Since when is 11.8 miles a distance race? I am starting to see why this series is going the way of the dodo.

 

I sent your comments to everyone at Manhasset Bay. For your information the long distance race has had the same courses for many years. Compared to a 3.5 mile windward leeward, yes, 11.8 miles is a distance race. The brautwurst was just tasty. I'm sorry you're not happy. We aim to please. We are very concerned why there is not more participation. There are many reasons for the lack of entries. Some of them are completely out of our hands. We will be doing what it takes to turn this event around.

 

Kuddos to RC for getting those races in on Saturday.

Link to post
Share on other sites

is there really only 18 boats??? el sucko

Disappointing show by MBYC. Been doing this regatta since the early '80s and the club has always been a welcoming place with an excellent spread for all the racers afterwards. Now we are out on the patio with a ration of undercooked sausages. Well done! Looks like Riverside's management has taken over MBYC. On the water, a distance race in great fall conditions? Since when is 11.8 miles a distance race? I am starting to see why this series is going the way of the dodo.

 

I sent your comments to everyone at Manhasset Bay. For your information the long distance race has had the same courses for many years. Compared to a 3.5 mile windward leeward, yes, 11.8 miles is a distance race. The brautwurst was just tasty. I'm sorry you're not happy. We aim to please. We are very concerned why there is not more participation. There are many reasons for the lack of entries. Some of them are completely out of our hands. We will be doing what it takes to turn this event around.

You rocke HS!

 

:)

Link to post
Share on other sites

is there really only 18 boats??? el sucko

Disappointing show by MBYC. Been doing this regatta since the early '80s and the club has always been a welcoming place with an excellent spread for all the racers afterwards. Now we are out on the patio with a ration of undercooked sausages. Well done! Looks like Riverside's management has taken over MBYC. On the water, a distance race in great fall conditions? Since when is 11.8 miles a distance race? I am starting to see why this series is going the way of the dodo.

 

I sent your comments to everyone at Manhasset Bay. For your information the long distance race has had the same courses for many years. Compared to a 3.5 mile windward leeward, yes, 11.8 miles is a distance race. The brautwurst was just tasty. I'm sorry you're not happy. We aim to please. We are very concerned why there is not more participation. There are many reasons for the lack of entries. Some of them are completely out of our hands. We will be doing what it takes to turn this event around.

 

Kuddos to RC for getting those races in on Saturday.

 

+1

Link to post
Share on other sites

Great job getting in 2 races Saturday, but I am not a fan of having a distance race when we could have had 3 or 4 windward-leewards.

 

Part of the reason for the low attendance is the J44's having their own regatta right next door at Sea Cliff. I heard their RC work was really crappy.

Link to post
Share on other sites

MHYC doing a great job. Got 2 good races in on Sat good breeze short legs for the WL athletic crowd and a long race in big breeze that allowed everyone to enjoy a beautiful day without breaking a lot of stuff or hurting or scaring the crew.

The shore party was fine, being outside is much better than inside. Drinks and food ( and hot soup) was readily available.

Very quick launch service and free moorings.

I think all things considered I say Thank You for again offering an opportunity to race in sporty Fall conditions by a very friendly and accommidating YC.

Link to post
Share on other sites

How is it that EBYRA let Breakaway race wed nights at 84? without weight credit that would put them at 87 with the declared 145% on their certificate. Seems like they probably used a larger headsail on many occasions?

CI Hack, dont know the answer but I suspect from your question that you dont understand the rating system. It is a disadvantage to them to have the lower rating on wed nights. The higher the number the more time faster boats would have to give them and the less time they would have to give slower boats. I think 84 may be the standard 36.7 configuration for one design and allows the standard class #1 headsail. When sailing some phrf they can get a credit for smaller headsails or weight, I think.

Actually it had to do with sail size. You would be correct if they sailed at a lower rating with the same sail. I hardly think that is the case. To be perfectly clear I a almost positive that 84 or 87 is with a 155% headsail and 90 is with a 145%. YRA LIS members can view certificates and the copy that was given to me shows a distance rating of 87 and L/W of 90 with +3 for 145% and +3 for max weight of 1500 pounds.

Ok, so It sounds like you are saying they are doing it right.

Sailing with a larger 155 and a lower rating (84) and when using the higher rating they sail with a 145.

it also sound like they are getting a credit +3 for weight at some regattas and the distance rating of 87.

Link to post
Share on other sites

is there really only 18 boats??? el sucko

Disappointing show by MBYC. Been doing this regatta since the early '80s and the club has always been a welcoming place with an excellent spread for all the racers afterwards. Now we are out on the patio with a ration of undercooked sausages. Well done! Looks like Riverside's management has taken over MBYC. On the water, a distance race in great fall conditions? Since when is 11.8 miles a distance race? I am starting to see why this series is going the way of the dodo.

 

I sent your comments to everyone at Manhasset Bay. For your information the long distance race has had the same courses for many years. Compared to a 3.5 mile windward leeward, yes, 11.8 miles is a distance race. The brautwurst was just tasty. I'm sorry you're not happy. We aim to please. We are very concerned why there is not more participation. There are many reasons for the lack of entries. Some of them are completely out of our hands. We will be doing what it takes to turn this event around.

 

Kuddos to RC for getting those races in on Saturday.

 

what? who cares

 

don't you choose your regattas based on the quality of the free food afterward?

Link to post
Share on other sites

is there really only 18 boats??? el sucko

Disappointing show by MBYC. Been doing this regatta since the early '80s and the club has always been a welcoming place with an excellent spread for all the racers afterwards. Now we are out on the patio with a ration of undercooked sausages. Well done! Looks like Riverside's management has taken over MBYC. On the water, a distance race in great fall conditions? Since when is 11.8 miles a distance race? I am starting to see why this series is going the way of the dodo.

 

I sent your comments to everyone at Manhasset Bay. For your information the long distance race has had the same courses for many years. Compared to a 3.5 mile windward leeward, yes, 11.8 miles is a distance race. The brautwurst was just tasty. I'm sorry you're not happy. We aim to please. We are very concerned why there is not more participation. There are many reasons for the lack of entries. Some of them are completely out of our hands. We will be doing what it takes to turn this event around.

 

Kuddos to RC for getting those races in on Saturday.

 

what? who cares

 

don't you choose your regattas based on the quality of the free food afterward?

Using your standards there was only one protein, unless you count the sandwiches.

Link to post
Share on other sites

That does suck!

 

I understand the Cab was a juvenile vintage and served chilled as well

 

 

what happened at the J44 regatta? why didnt these guys just do MBYC with their own start?

not very neighborly

Link to post
Share on other sites

Great job getting in 2 races Saturday, but I am not a fan of having a distance race when we could have had 3 or 4 windward-leewards.

 

Part of the reason for the low attendance is the J44's having their own regatta right next door at Sea Cliff. I heard their RC work was really crappy.

 

Or keep the short distance race and then get everybody going in a windward leeward race that you'd dropped the marks for while the distance race was going on. No sense torpedoing an afternoon of great breeze. There's no reason that any boat should be hitting the dock at 2 when there's a steady 10-12 blowing on the sound and a race committee to set/run races.

Link to post
Share on other sites

is there really only 18 boats??? el sucko

Disappointing show by MBYC. Been doing this regatta since the early '80s and the club has always been a welcoming place with an excellent spread for all the racers afterwards. Now we are out on the patio with a ration of undercooked sausages. Well done! Looks like Riverside's management has taken over MBYC. On the water, a distance race in great fall conditions? Since when is 11.8 miles a distance race? I am starting to see why this series is going the way of the dodo.

 

I sent your comments to everyone at Manhasset Bay. For your information the long distance race has had the same courses for many years. Compared to a 3.5 mile windward leeward, yes, 11.8 miles is a distance race. The brautwurst was just tasty. I'm sorry you're not happy. We aim to please. We are very concerned why there is not more participation. There are many reasons for the lack of entries. Some of them are completely out of our hands. We will be doing what it takes to turn this event around.

 

Please do not make it out that sail man speaks for all of us, I enjoy the marm to mark change from the w/l. it could be sailman did not do well, and the Sausages were great!

Link to post
Share on other sites

is there really only 18 boats??? el sucko

Disappointing show by MBYC. Been doing this regatta since the early '80s and the club has always been a welcoming place with an excellent spread for all the racers afterwards. Now we are out on the patio with a ration of undercooked sausages. Well done! Looks like Riverside's management has taken over MBYC. On the water, a distance race in great fall conditions? Since when is 11.8 miles a distance race? I am starting to see why this series is going the way of the dodo.

 

I sent your comments to everyone at Manhasset Bay. For your information the long distance race has had the same courses for many years. Compared to a 3.5 mile windward leeward, yes, 11.8 miles is a distance race. The brautwurst was just tasty. I'm sorry you're not happy. We aim to please. We are very concerned why there is not more participation. There are many reasons for the lack of entries. Some of them are completely out of our hands. We will be doing what it takes to turn this event around.

 

Please do not make it out that sail man speaks for all of us, I enjoy the marm to mark change from the w/l. it could be sailman did not do well, and the Sausages were great!

 

We had a great race. Sailed short handed first across the line and lost out to Dreadlocks by 29 seconds, well done on the their part. My point was 12 miles wasn't much for the breeze we had, make it a 20 miler. The food was what it was, its not the reason to attend this or any regatta, but compared to how the club has treated the racers in the past it has changed.

Link to post
Share on other sites

That does suck!

 

I understand the Cab was a juvenile vintage and served chilled as well

 

 

what happened at the J44 regatta? why didnt these guys just do MBYC with their own start?

not very neighborly

 

The J44s were at Sea Cliff because one of the owners begged the class to have a regatta there. The race committee lacked experience in running races for large keel boats, and it showed, but they were gracious hosts and I think all involved really appreciated the effort of the volunteers. It would have been nice to have more than 5 boats out, but as always there was some tight racing in the front of the fleet.

 

From what I gather, some of the J44 owners don't enjoy MBYC Fall Series so it's usually not on the class calendar.

 

http://www.seacliffyc.org/Information/Regattas%20and%20Sailing/Regatta%20Information/J44_Fall_Series_2012_Final-%281%29.aspx

Link to post
Share on other sites

is there really only 18 boats??? el sucko

Disappointing show by MBYC. Been doing this regatta since the early '80s and the club has always been a welcoming place with an excellent spread for all the racers afterwards. Now we are out on the patio with a ration of undercooked sausages. Well done! Looks like Riverside's management has taken over MBYC. On the water, a distance race in great fall conditions? Since when is 11.8 miles a distance race? I am starting to see why this series is going the way of the dodo.

 

I sent your comments to everyone at Manhasset Bay. For your information the long distance race has had the same courses for many years. Compared to a 3.5 mile windward leeward, yes, 11.8 miles is a distance race. The brautwurst was just tasty. I'm sorry you're not happy. We aim to please. We are very concerned why there is not more participation. There are many reasons for the lack of entries. Some of them are completely out of our hands. We will be doing what it takes to turn this event around.

 

Please do not make it out that sail man speaks for all of us, I enjoy the marm to mark change from the w/l. it could be sailman did not do well, and the Sausages were great!

 

We had a great race. Sailed short handed first across the line and lost out to Dreadlocks by 29 seconds, well done on the their part. My point was 12 miles wasn't much for the breeze we had, make it a 20 miler. The food was what it was, its not the reason to attend this or any regatta, but compared to how the club has treated the racers in the past it has changed.

 

Manhasset Bay Commodore Dan Brown commented as follows "We acknowledge a poor food showing at the event on Saturday afternoon which was fully corrected for on Sunday. The second weekend will also have great food and beer as well. We look forward to a great second weekend."

Link to post
Share on other sites

The J44s were at Sea Cliff because one of the owners begged the class to have a regatta there. The race committee lacked experience in running races for large keel boats, and it showed, but they were gracious hosts and I think all involved really appreciated the effort of the volunteers. It would have been nice to have more than 5 boats out, but as always there was some tight racing in the front of the fleet.

 

From what I gather, some of the J44 owners don't enjoy MBYC Fall Series so it's usually not on the class calendar.

 

Acknowledged!

Link to post
Share on other sites

How is it that EBYRA let Breakaway race wed nights at 84? without weight credit that would put them at 87 with the declared 145% on their certificate. Seems like they probably used a larger headsail on many occasions?

CI Hack, dont know the answer but I suspect from your question that you dont understand the rating system. It is a disadvantage to them to have the lower rating on wed nights. The higher the number the more time faster boats would have to give them and the less time they would have to give slower boats. I think 84 may be the standard 36.7 configuration for one design and allows the standard class #1 headsail. When sailing some phrf they can get a credit for smaller headsails or weight, I think.

Actually it had to do with sail size. You would be correct if they sailed at a lower rating with the same sail. I hardly think that is the case. To be perfectly clear I a almost positive that 84 or 87 is with a 155% headsail and 90 is with a 145%. YRA LIS members can view certificates and the copy that was given to me shows a distance rating of 87 and L/W of 90 with +3 for 145% and +3 for max weight of 1500 pounds.

Ok, so It sounds like you are saying they are doing it right.

Sailing with a larger 155 and a lower rating (84) and when using the higher rating they sail with a 145.

it also sound like they are getting a credit +3 for weight at some regattas and the distance rating of 87.

 

Bottom line is you are issued a YRALIS cert for the season, it has a distance rating and a W/L rating and the configurations you declare on your cert to get those numbers are the configurations you should sail with or else you are in violation of your cert. You only get one number, its not your choice to look at a weather forecast or your competition and say, let's go with the bigger headsail and pick a different number for this regatta. And its up to the race committee, the organizing authority for the race, to enforce that rule. What EBYRA does is beyond logic.

Link to post
Share on other sites

You think Santana/USMMA could have done better if they weren't busy practicing Gangnam dancing?

Our tax dollars at work!

 

 

http://www.brobible....y-gangnam-style

Hey,

That's at least better than them using the 3DL light #1 as a sun shade hanging over the spin pole while they slept on other sails staying out of the sun during AYC fall series

Link to post
Share on other sites

You think Santana/USMMA could have done better if they weren't busy practicing Gangnam dancing?

Our tax dollars at work!

 

 

http://www.brobible....y-gangnam-style

 

Was that why they almost hit a couple of boats in the starting area/prestart? I didn't see any dancing.

 

The only dancing was from the people in the back of the boats they almost hit trying to avoid getting a colonoscopy from their spin pole....

Link to post
Share on other sites

How is it that EBYRA let Breakaway race wed nights at 84? without weight credit that would put them at 87 with the declared 145% on their certificate. Seems like they probably used a larger headsail on many occasions?

CI Hack, dont know the answer but I suspect from your question that you dont understand the rating system. It is a disadvantage to them to have the lower rating on wed nights. The higher the number the more time faster boats would have to give them and the less time they would have to give slower boats. I think 84 may be the standard 36.7 configuration for one design and allows the standard class #1 headsail. When sailing some phrf they can get a credit for smaller headsails or weight, I think.

Actually it had to do with sail size. You would be correct if they sailed at a lower rating with the same sail. I hardly think that is the case. To be perfectly clear I a almost positive that 84 or 87 is with a 155% headsail and 90 is with a 145%. YRA LIS members can view certificates and the copy that was given to me shows a distance rating of 87 and L/W of 90 with +3 for 145% and +3 for max weight of 1500 pounds.

Ok, so It sounds like you are saying they are doing it right.

Sailing with a larger 155 and a lower rating (84) and when using the higher rating they sail with a 145.

it also sound like they are getting a credit +3 for weight at some regattas and the distance rating of 87.

except that you cannot switch ratings at will!
Link to post
Share on other sites

How is it that EBYRA let Breakaway race wed nights at 84? without weight credit that would put them at 87 with the declared 145% on their certificate. Seems like they probably used a larger headsail on many occasions?

CI Hack, dont know the answer but I suspect from your question that you dont understand the rating system. It is a disadvantage to them to have the lower rating on wed nights. The higher the number the more time faster boats would have to give them and the less time they would have to give slower boats. I think 84 may be the standard 36.7 configuration for one design and allows the standard class #1 headsail. When sailing some phrf they can get a credit for smaller headsails or weight, I think.

Actually it had to do with sail size. You would be correct if they sailed at a lower rating with the same sail. I hardly think that is the case. To be perfectly clear I a almost positive that 84 or 87 is with a 155% headsail and 90 is with a 145%. YRA LIS members can view certificates and the copy that was given to me shows a distance rating of 87 and L/W of 90 with +3 for 145% and +3 for max weight of 1500 pounds.

Ok, so It sounds like you are saying they are doing it right.

Sailing with a larger 155 and a lower rating (84) and when using the higher rating they sail with a 145.

it also sound like they are getting a credit +3 for weight at some regattas and the distance rating of 87.

 

Bottom line is you are issued a YRALIS cert for the season, it has a distance rating and a W/L rating and the configurations you declare on your cert to get those numbers are the configurations you should sail with or else you are in violation of your cert. You only get one number, its not your choice to look at a weather forecast or your competition and say, let's go with the bigger headsail and pick a different number for this regatta. And its up to the race committee, the organizing authority for the race, to enforce that rule. What EBYRA does is beyond logic.

 

Logic-EBYRA? Huh?

 

Cheers,

 

MikeR

Link to post
Share on other sites

According to my personal, extrasensory, waaaaaaaaaah-ne-mometer it blew 35 today. Good time on the distance race, though the ratio of beating:running was upsettingly bad... The curse of the downwind flyer - thankfully the company didn't suck.

I'm not sure what scale Left Hook uses, but I don't think I saw a gust more than 28 kts, high average about 22 i guess.

Are our instruments that far out of calibration or is Left Hook prone to exaggeration?

Link to post
Share on other sites

According to my personal, extrasensory, waaaaaaaaaah-ne-mometer it blew 35 today. Good time on the distance race, though the ratio of beating:running was upsettingly bad... The curse of the downwind flyer - thankfully the company didn't suck.

I'm not sure what scale Left Hook uses, but I don't think I saw a gust more than 28 kts, high average about 22 i guess.

Are our instruments that far out of calibration or is Left Hook prone to exaggeration?

 

Or I'm just poking fun at all of the bullshit from the gearbuster thread. lighten up.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Begging everyone's pardon, AYC, race committees, best friends, asshole buddies, whatever, the certificate is the certificate and the club or RC cannot "let" any boat race not in accordance with it's certificate under PHRF.

It is becoming a pattern that the YRALIS PHRF Committee, the Organizing Clubs, the Race Committees, and the Protest Committees don't want to question or enforce PHRF ratings on Long Island Sound.

 

I hear excuses like "well, if we change their rating then they won't race" or "participation is so low, we don't want to be too discriminating" or "the owner made a mistake."

 

Most of us understand the Rules and adhere to them. We expect the Rules to be enforced by those that wrote the Rules. Somehow the YRALIS PHRF Committee has a loose interpretation of these Rules for some boats but not for all. Rather than pandering to a few boats with questionable ratings or certificates, they should consider the implications of their lack of action, they can figure the rest of us expect no less than conformity to the Rules.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I hear excuses like "well, if we change their rating then they won't race" or "participation is so low, we don't want to be too discriminating" or "the owner made a mistake."

 

I thick in generale moste peopel dointe wante be the badde guye. Thicking being nice and lookng the orthere waye wille help. Moiste time juste the oppasite happends, biddere numberes laeving the sporte do to lacke of adherents to the riules. :)

Link to post
Share on other sites

Begging everyone's pardon, AYC, race committees, best friends, asshole buddies, whatever, the certificate is the certificate and the club or RC cannot "let" any boat race not in accordance with it's certificate under PHRF.

It is becoming a pattern that the YRALIS PHRF Committee, the Organizing Clubs, the Race Committees, and the Protest Committees don't want to question or enforce PHRF ratings on Long Island Sound.

 

I hear excuses like "well, if we change their rating then they won't race" or "participation is so low, we don't want to be too discriminating" or "the owner made a mistake."

 

Most of us understand the Rules and adhere to them. We expect the Rules to be enforced by those that wrote the Rules. Somehow the YRALIS PHRF Committee has a loose interpretation of these Rules for some boats but not for all. Rather than pandering to a few boats with questionable ratings or certificates, they should consider the implications of their lack of action, they can figure the rest of us expect no less than conformity to the Rules.

You are correct Bill, how about the PHRF comm changing the rating of the J70 to 117 after only sailing 5 races. I guess if you are on the committee and own one there are benefits.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I hear excuses like "well, if we change their rating then they won't race" or "participation is so low, we don't want to be too discriminating" or "the owner made a mistake."

 

I thick in generale moste peopel dointe wante be the badde guye. Thicking being nice and lookng the orthere waye wille help. Moiste time juste the oppasite happends, biddere numberes laeving the sporte do to lacke of adherents to the riules. :)

+1

The biggest rule that is violated is the weight limit. The PHRF comm don't give a shit about. They want us being the bad guys. There is a boat in my class at Manhasset that is over the limit and they admit it. But they are all friends and don't care. I personally don't care that they are, but I'm sure other boats do.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I hear excuses like "well, if we change their rating then they won't race" or "participation is so low, we don't want to be too discriminating" or "the owner made a mistake."

 

I thick in generale moste peopel dointe wante be the badde guye. Thicking being nice and lookng the orthere waye wille help. Moiste time juste the oppasite happends, biddere numberes laeving the sporte do to lacke of adherents to the riules. :)

+1

The biggest rule that is violated is the weight limit. The PHRF comm don't give a shit about. They want us being the bad guys. There is a boat in my class at Manhasset that is over the limit and they admit it. But they are all friends and don't care. I personally don't care that they are, but I'm sure other boats do.

 

PHRF committee is not the cop--they issue their rating (whether it is fair or not is a different issue) and it is up to the individual regatta race committee to enforce that folks are complying with their certs-you all know how that turned out in the ALIR waiting for organizing authorities to do their job-nobody likes to be the bad guy, of course, and most of us assume, under Rule 2, that our competition is in compliance with their cert and engaging in "Fair Sailing" but that is definitely not the case. Not sure what the answer is ....

Link to post
Share on other sites

I hear excuses like "well, if we change their rating then they won't race" or "participation is so low, we don't want to be too discriminating" or "the owner made a mistake."

 

I thick in generale moste peopel dointe wante be the badde guye. Thicking being nice and lookng the orthere waye wille help. Moiste time juste the oppasite happends, biddere numberes laeving the sporte do to lacke of adherents to the riules. :)

+1

The biggest rule that is violated is the weight limit. The PHRF comm don't give a shit about. They want us being the bad guys. There is a boat in my class at Manhasset that is over the limit and they admit it. But they are all friends and don't care. I personally don't care that they are, but I'm sure other boats do.

 

I dont mind the weight limit so much. Especially being a full figured gal.

Not everyone can get regular crew like you. (The same 5 meatballs for 25 years and a kid from college with no friends).

Maybe my kid is home from college and wants to sail for a day, whatever. But there is little enforcement of phrf certificates + rules by most clubs. Thats where the problem is. The YRALIS is not an enforcer but when they hear about this stuff they should do something like nasty name calling, or disallow the results for season trophies.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I hear excuses like "well, if we change their rating then they won't race" or "participation is so low, we don't want to be too discriminating" or "the owner made a mistake."

 

I thick in generale moste peopel dointe wante be the badde guye. Thicking being nice and lookng the orthere waye wille help. Moiste time juste the oppasite happends, biddere numberes laeving the sporte do to lacke of adherents to the riules. :)

+1

The biggest rule that is violated is the weight limit. The PHRF comm don't give a shit about. They want us being the bad guys. There is a boat in my class at Manhasset that is over the limit and they admit it. But they are all friends and don't care. I personally don't care that they are, but I'm sure other boats do.

 

I dont mind the weight limit so much. Especially being a full figured gal.

Not everyone can get regular crew like you. (The same 5 meatballs for 25 years and a kid from college with no friends).

Maybe my kid is home from college and wants to sail for a day, whatever. But there is little enforcement of phrf certificates + rules by most clubs. Thats where the problem is. The YRALIS is not an enforcer but when they hear about this stuff they should do something like nasty name calling, or disallow the results for season trophies.

Or have a special moosehead or something for the race committee that commits the most egregious act of looking the other way....

Link to post
Share on other sites

Or have a special moosehead or something for the race committee that commits the most egregious act of looking the other way....

 

The MC shoud paye foure suche good idease!!! :)

 

Or a special award to a competitor who dosnt use the protest system properly and sullies the good name of Long Island's most well respected yachtsman!

Link to post
Share on other sites

Or have a special moosehead or something for the race committee that commits the most egregious act of looking the other way....

 

The MC shoud paye foure suche good idease!!! :)

 

Or a special award to a competitor who dosnt use the protest system properly and sullies the good name of Long Island's most well respected yachtsman!

attempted at redirrecte... ??

 

:)

Link to post
Share on other sites

But there is little enforcement of phrf certificates + rules by most clubs. Thats where the problem is. The YRALIS is not an enforcer but when they hear about this stuff they should do something like nasty name calling, or disallow the results for season trophies.

That isn't really true and while BTBOTFA has taken some heat in recent past over a certain protest disallowed, it was the failure of the PHRF Rating Committee to follow the RRS that lead to that debacle. Rule 78 is pretty clear that if it is brought to the attention that a competitor is not in adherence with their cert, that the "class measurer" will inform the OA of the event or events that a boat is found to not be in compliance. The onus then falls on the OA(s) to protest the boat (under 60.3 I think it is but don't have the book in front of me). So there is a means of enforcement. It is just not being followed.

The weight limit is a diffficult one in some regards. I sort of understand why EBYRA ignores this credit. While it is unacceptable that boats sail overweight on a regular weekend series in violation of their certs, when it comes to beer can races where crew just sort of show up, it is hard to tell folks to just go home. It sort of goes against the spirit of beer can racing, which is to go out and have a little fun mid-week.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Or have a special moosehead or something for the race committee that commits the most egregious act of looking the other way....

 

The MC shoud paye foure suche good idease!!! :)

 

Or a special award to a competitor who dosnt use the protest system properly and sullies the good name of Long Island's most well respected yachtsman!

attempted at redirrecte... ??

 

:)

I had faith in the system....was pushed out on the limb, the limb broke and it was my head in the noose while the good folks of Tombstone hid in their homes
Link to post
Share on other sites

I hear excuses like "well, if we change their rating then they won't race" or "participation is so low, we don't want to be too discriminating" or "the owner made a mistake."

 

I thick in generale moste peopel dointe wante be the badde guye. Thicking being nice and lookng the orthere waye wille help. Moiste time juste the oppasite happends, biddere numberes laeving the sporte do to lacke of adherents to the riules. :)

+1

The biggest rule that is violated is the weight limit. The PHRF comm don't give a shit about. They want us being the bad guys. There is a boat in my class at Manhasset that is over the limit and they admit it. But they are all friends and don't care. I personally don't care that they are, but I'm sure other boats do.

 

I dont mind the weight limit so much. Especially being a full figured gal.

Not everyone can get regular crew like you. (The same 5 meatballs for 25 years and a kid from college with no friends).

Maybe my kid is home from college and wants to sail for a day, whatever. But there is little enforcement of phrf certificates + rules by most clubs. Thats where the problem is. The YRALIS is not an enforcer but when they hear about this stuff they should do something like nasty name calling, or disallow the results for season trophies.

 

You're kidding, right? So the organizing authority is supposed to sit on the signal boat and for every boat that sails by, they are going to guess at the weight of each individual crew member (including the ones that might be in the head) and add that up, then bring up their cert on line and check whether they are in compliance?? Show me where it is the organizing authorities' responsibility to enforce weight limits. If you have a suspicion about someone, then throw up a flag and we'll bring them in and weigh them. Let the Race Committee run the races. You make them into ratings cops and you'll have the shitiest courses you could ever imagine. We have a thousand things going through our minds when we're running races, don't add more to it or you will be sorely dissappointed.

Link to post
Share on other sites

For other than true dialed in, weigh in type one design, I agree Kev Edge

A lot of people agree with you, me and KE, but nobody wants to do anything about getting this abolished. Everyone you talk dislikes the weight limit.

I really don't care anymore, my results have not changed over the years with or without the weight limit. I now take a weight penalty and sail with 7 instead of 8. I am the ONLY one taking a penalty while others just break the rules.

But again it goes back to competitors having integrity or NO integrity.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I hear excuses like "well, if we change their rating then they won't race" or "participation is so low, we don't want to be too discriminating" or "the owner made a mistake."

 

I thick in generale moste peopel dointe wante be the badde guye. Thicking being nice and lookng the orthere waye wille help. Moiste time juste the oppasite happends, biddere numberes laeving the sporte do to lacke of adherents to the riules. :)

+1

The biggest rule that is violated is the weight limit. The PHRF comm don't give a shit about. They want us being the bad guys. There is a boat in my class at Manhasset that is over the limit and they admit it. But they are all friends and don't care. I personally don't care that they are, but I'm sure other boats do.

 

I dont mind the weight limit so much. Especially being a full figured gal.

Not everyone can get regular crew like you. (The same 5 meatballs for 25 years and a kid from college with no friends).

Maybe my kid is home from college and wants to sail for a day, whatever. But there is little enforcement of phrf certificates + rules by most clubs. Thats where the problem is. The YRALIS is not an enforcer but when they hear about this stuff they should do something like nasty name calling, or disallow the results for season trophies.

 

You're kidding, right? So the organizing authority is supposed to sit on the signal boat and for every boat that sails by, they are going to guess at the weight of each individual crew member (including the ones that might be in the head) and add that up, then bring up their cert on line and check whether they are in compliance?? Show me where it is the organizing authorities' responsibility to enforce weight limits. If you have a suspicion about someone, then throw up a flag and we'll bring them in and weigh them. Let the Race Committee run the races. You make them into ratings cops and you'll have the shitiest courses you could ever imagine. We have a thousand things going through our minds when we're running races, don't add more to it or you will be sorely dissappointed.

 

easy sport

 

i meant to say I am against the weight rules.

Just becuase Espo makes his crew shave their balls (except for LH who dosnt need to) to save weight its not for everyone.

 

Its up to competitors to protest or STFU

O.A. and R.C. and YRA should enforce certificate validty, once per season change, etc instead of hiding. Cheaters will dissappear fast

Link to post
Share on other sites

I hear excuses like "well, if we change their rating then they won't race" or "participation is so low, we don't want to be too discriminating" or "the owner made a mistake."

 

I thick in generale moste peopel dointe wante be the badde guye. Thicking being nice and lookng the orthere waye wille help. Moiste time juste the oppasite happends, biddere numberes laeving the sporte do to lacke of adherents to the riules. :)

+1

The biggest rule that is violated is the weight limit. The PHRF comm don't give a shit about. They want us being the bad guys. There is a boat in my class at Manhasset that is over the limit and they admit it. But they are all friends and don't care. I personally don't care that they are, but I'm sure other boats do.

 

if its you or dreadlocks I care so spill the beans

Link to post
Share on other sites

I hear excuses like "well, if we change their rating then they won't race" or "participation is so low, we don't want to be too discriminating" or "the owner made a mistake."

 

I thick in generale moste peopel dointe wante be the badde guye. Thicking being nice and lookng the orthere waye wille help. Moiste time juste the oppasite happends, biddere numberes laeving the sporte do to lacke of adherents to the riules. :)

+1

The biggest rule that is violated is the weight limit. The PHRF comm don't give a shit about. They want us being the bad guys. There is a boat in my class at Manhasset that is over the limit and they admit it. But they are all friends and don't care. I personally don't care that they are, but I'm sure other boats do.

 

if its you or dreadlocks I care so spill the beans

It's not me I take the weight penalty unlike other J29's, plus I sailed short 1 down on Sunday my heaviest guy and still with a 3 second penalty beat you by 2 minutes in only half the race.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I hear excuses like "well, if we change their rating then they won't race" or "participation is so low, we don't want to be too discriminating" or "the owner made a mistake."

 

I thick in generale moste peopel dointe wante be the badde guye. Thicking being nice and lookng the orthere waye wille help. Moiste time juste the oppasite happends, biddere numberes laeving the sporte do to lacke of adherents to the riules. :)

+1

The biggest rule that is violated is the weight limit. The PHRF comm don't give a shit about. They want us being the bad guys. There is a boat in my class at Manhasset that is over the limit and they admit it. But they are all friends and don't care. I personally don't care that they are, but I'm sure other boats do.

 

if its you or dreadlocks I care so spill the beans

It's not me I take the weight penalty unlike other J29's, plus I sailed short 1 down on Sunday my heaviest guy and still with a 3 second penalty beat you by 2 minutes in only half the race.

 

so with your heavy guy back this weekend you will be well over! glad he wasn't or we wouldn't of been able to see you finish. With only one person on a crew over 200 its very easy to sail with 7 under 1260.

Link to post
Share on other sites