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I have two submissions to the panel. The first gained entry by the high rise addition, the second was, I believe, designed that way.

 

Both are going for the altitude award.

 

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Good catch

 

I like the way the hard dodger lid slopes to almost match the stive of the boom. Tape measure malfunction, or design feature?

 

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Yeah, the boat looks like shit.  But they're smiling, which is the reason to sail......

Writing from a country that owns a number of second hand submarines, it seems to me that giving such a craft to a drug cartel would be a great way to immediately bankrupt their operation.

No trailer, no problem.  Just drill through the bilge keels and slide the axle right in. A couple of fittings from Harbor Freight and your off to the scrap yard!

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I have two submissions to the panel. The first gained entry by the high rise addition, the second was, I believe, designed that way.

 

Both are going for the altitude award.

 

 

 

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That boat was not designed. I'm not sure what the right word is, but "designed" is not it.

I'll bet that's probably one of the 1000 "designs" that Hot Rod looked at.

 

I wonder if there's a Harley on the aft deck?

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What F1 driver (Fittipaldi?) has that crazy ass looking "yacht"...surprised it's not made it aboard here yet.

 

it is not emmo, it's nelson piquet.

 

and, by popular demand, i give you "pilar rossi"

 

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I have two submissions to the panel. The first gained entry by the high rise addition, the second was, I believe, designed that way.

 

Both are going for the altitude award.

 

BequiatoGrenada2013049_zps8071b1ce.jpg

 

Those sailmasters weren't all that bad...until some tool did something like that.

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What F1 driver (Fittipaldi?) has that crazy ass looking "yacht"...surprised it's not made it aboard here yet.

 

it is not emmo, it's nelson piquet.

 

and, by popular demand, i give you "pilar rossi"

 

DSCF07591.jpg

 

Simply because of who owns it and the fact that it's so weird, that boat should be on the cool boats thread, not here on ugly boats. It gets extra points for being a sailboat owned by a GP champ as well - they usually seem to own coke smugglers and other fast power stuff.

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I have two submissions to the panel. The first gained entry by the high rise addition, the second was, I believe, designed that way.

 

Both are going for the altitude award.

 

BequiatoGrenada2013049_zps8071b1ce.jpg

 

Those sailmasters weren't all that bad...until some tool did something like that.

 

That Sailmaster always looked like an updated Columbia 45 to me.

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I have two submissions to the panel. The first gained entry by the high rise addition, the second was, I believe, designed that way.

 

Both are going for the altitude award.

 

BequiatoGrenada2013049_zps8071b1ce.jpg

 

Those sailmasters weren't all that bad...until some tool did something like that.

 

That Sailmaster always looked like an updated Columbia 45 to me.

fair enough...

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This one will always have a place in my heart. Yar, matey!

 

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Woa

That belongs on a ZZ Top album

 

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What really freaked me out about that picture is that I thought that was the bow, at first.

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You're looking at a Formosa 51 or Force 50 that's suffered an unfortunate canvas grenade. Bill Garden design. I was asking a guy in Alameda a couple weeks back how his sailed to weather. "well you know, it'll go off on a reach really well. I've gotten up to 8 knots out of her, and that ain't bad. and hell! you're reachin' all the way to the marquesas anyway, right?! you wouldn't believe the ride! like a Cadillac, but better"

 

and with that I hoped it put an end to my wife's Formosa 51 fantasies.

 

If you didn't know, this is the same boat that was made famous in Captain Ron. Someone bought the Wanderer about a year ago and is refitting her.

 

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f9/captain-rons-wanderer-in-refit-102664.html

 

 

 

 

This ketch is not ugly so much as it is ungraceful. I understand that if someone wants a liveaboard, he may well choose a chunky boat, and I have no problem with that. Clipper bows and bowsprits aren't helpful in keeping the LOA down though.

 

What I really don't understand here is the very high freeboard. A vessel like this must have a L/D ratio above 300, which would put the cabin sole way down. Or maybe the sole is high, and they have a crawl space for stowage.

 

Aside from a case of 'crap on d'back', the main and mizzen are rigged with roller furling set behind the masts, which is very un-shippy (actually rather ugly) and not a performance plus.

 

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Maximum Saildrive? first thing that popped into my head

 

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This one will always have a place in my heart. Yar, matey!

 

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What F1 driver (Fittipaldi?) has that crazy ass looking "yacht"...surprised it's not made it aboard here yet.

 

it is not emmo, it's nelson piquet.

 

and, by popular demand, i give you "pilar rossi"

 

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To me that just looks like 3 or 4 boats all moored really close together... Is it really supposed to be one? How many designers worked on it? 'cos they all had different ideas...

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What F1 driver (Fittipaldi?) has that crazy ass looking "yacht"...surprised it's not made it aboard here yet.

it is not emmo, it's nelson piquet.

 

and, by popular demand, i give you "pilar rossi"

 

DSCF07591.jpg

 

 

To me that just looks like 3 or 4 boats all moored really close together... Is it really supposed to be one? How many designers worked on it? 'cos they all had different ideas...

 

 

I think Clean called it the Mullet, Business at the front, Party at the back.
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This one will always have a place in my heart. Yar, matey!

 

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OK I gotta know, is that for real.

 

I mean if I was reaching out here one day and came up on this I would be checking out my mushrooms for magic.

 

Or is it PhotoShopped?

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Apparently it's been "enhanced" twice, going from 33.5m mono to 45m to 64m (the last they added the second mast). I guess Piquet's uncle is the naval architect. Brasil and plastic surgery...

 

and don't forget "it" started life as a motoryacht.

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picture of the stern which is more "orgy" than "party"

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what a bizarre boat

 

ok...here's what a freak I am. All I can think of is, "what a fucked up bottom paint job that thing needs!"

 

nevertheless, if I was sitting in that hot tub with a bunch of topless babes drinking something with alcohol in it I wouldn't complain. Not even in my head.

 

now that we have a name, you guys need to Google the hell outta that mo'fo. Wow. It boggles the mind...mindboggling I say.

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Has anyone yet mentioned the 74' ferrovangelist tub Caribbean Reach? One of YWAM/(OC)'s missionary platforms.

 

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Features "a larger capacity for ministry." Is that like righting moment? There's something peculiarly Newport Beach about rich kids sailing around the Caribbean counting as God's work. From the website: "[The directors] were praying asking God if He might have someone who had a yacht that might be kind enough to lend it to them on weekends or afternoons...."

 

:lol:

 

Poe's Law has been invoked.

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Has anyone yet mentioned the 74' ferrovangelist tub Caribbean Reach? One of YWAM/(OC)'s missionary platforms.

 

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Features "a larger capacity for ministry." Is that like righting moment? There's something peculiarly Newport Beach about rich kids sailing around the Caribbean counting as God's work. From the website: "[The directors] were praying asking God if He might have someone who had a yacht that might be kind enough to lend it to them on weekends or afternoons...."

 

:lol:

 

Poe's Law has been invoked.

 

whatever it is, they sure as hell can't spell YMCA

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whatever it is, they sure as hell can't spell YMCA

:lol: Suspect it's an attempt at 'YWAM' (Youth With a Mission). They need some proper San Francisco boys to teach them gay semaphore. :wub:

 

My personal favorite is Terry Pratchett's YMRCOTIGBSA (Young Men's Reformed Cultists of the Ichor God Bel-Shamharoth Association). They might need a longer boat.

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What F1 driver (Fittipaldi?) has that crazy ass looking "yacht"...surprised it's not made it aboard here yet.

 

it is not emmo, it's nelson piquet.

 

and, by popular demand, i give you "pilar rossi"

 

DSCF07591.jpg

 

I saw that thing once when I chartered a boat in France. We circled around it in an anchorage one evening. The anchor drops out of a trap door under the water, so it looks like it's sitting there with nothing holding it in place. We saw it take off the next morning, and it wasn't unfortunately slow with just a jib and a fisherman-type sail flying. It looked like a fun time, anyways.

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Seen outside Port Townsend this morning:

 

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Note the twin Merc outboards. Redundancy is the...

 

no.

 

Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny.

 

That's it.

 

Nothing to do with this boat, it has neither ontogeny nor phylogeny. It's just fugly.

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Seen outside Port Townsend this morning:

 

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Note the twin Merc outboards. Redundancy is the...

 

no.

 

Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny.

 

That's it.

 

Nothing to do with this boat, it has neither ontogeny nor phylogeny. It's just fugly.

I had to google that "Ontongeny recapitulates phylogeny", Reverend and delving into evolution could get you defrocked (possibly that cute strapless number).

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Seen outside Port Townsend this morning:

 

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Note the twin Merc outboards. Redundancy is the...

 

no.

 

Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny.

 

That's it.

 

Nothing to do with this boat, it has neither ontogeny nor phylogeny. It's just fugly.

I had to google that "Ontongeny recapitulates phylogeny", Reverend and delving into evolution could get you defrocked (possibly that cute strapless number).

 

 

I'd hate to give up that French Maid outfit.

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Seen outside Port Townsend this morning:

 

attachicon.giftank.jpg

 

Note the twin Merc outboards. Redundancy is the...

 

no.

 

Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny.

 

That's it.

 

Nothing to do with this boat, it has neither ontogeny nor phylogeny. It's just fugly.

I had to google that "Ontongeny recapitulates phylogeny", Reverend and delving into evolution could get you defrocked (possibly that cute strapless number).

Reverend is a bright one, to say the least. He's had me scrambling for my Webster's and, or Google search a number of times. Me thinks if he has managed to remain "frocked" up 'til now, he has the ability to remain so a fair bit longer. He keeps us on our toes.

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Seen outside Port Townsend this morning:

 

attachicon.giftank.jpg

 

Note the twin Merc outboards. Redundancy is the...

 

no.

 

Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny.

 

That's it.

 

Nothing to do with this boat, it has neither ontogeny nor phylogeny. It's just fugly.

I had to google that "Ontongeny recapitulates phylogeny", Reverend ...

Ontology reinvigorates doxology? Preach it, Joel!

 

could get you defrocked (possibly that cute strapless number).

Yer possibly thinking of Ted Haggard, here.

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While I was going through my old brochures for the mid-cockpit thread, I picked out a couple for this thread, too.


The Salt was at small boat shows for a number of years. Aside from the questionable esthetic and functional design features, I recall the fiberglass work was not very fair.


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The Intercat 1500 was a cat-rigged catamaran. I think it had pretty good money behind it, because there was a lot of promotion and I actually saw one at a boat show. I never believed it could get out of it's own way under sail.


Intercat

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Seen outside Port Townsend this morning:

 

attachicon.giftank.jpg

 

Note the twin Merc outboards. Redundancy is the...

 

no.

 

Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny.

 

That's it.

 

Nothing to do with this boat, it has neither ontogeny nor phylogeny. It's just fugly.

I had to google that "Ontongeny recapitulates phylogeny", Reverend ...

Ontology reinvigorates doxology? Preach it, Joel!

 

>could get you defrocked (possibly that cute strapless number).

Yer possibly thinking of Ted Haggard, here.

 

 

It will be fine as long as we all know & agree that gostaks distim the doshes

 

And there should be some mention of phlogiston in there somewhere

 

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While I was going through my old brochures for the mid-cockpit thread, I picked out a couple for this thread, too.
The Salt was at small boat shows for a number of years. Aside from the questionable esthetic and functional design features, I recall the fiberglass work was not very fair.
The Intercat 1500 was a cat-rigged catamaran. I think it had pretty good money behind it, because there was a lot of promotion and I actually saw one at a boat show. I never believed it could get out of it's own way under sail.

 

That "Salt" looks like a Stevenson Weekender.

 

We had a marina neighbor with an Intercat 1500 and went on it at least a dozen times. Not a bad boat although the standing rigging was screwed up. It could get out of it's own way all right, could even go upwind (sort of). Not a great sailing boat though.

 

I'm guessing you don't like the Packet Cat either

 

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Uh-huh

 

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I never saw one of these. I do have this question: what is the dividing line between a cabin trunk and a pilothouse?

 

A pilothouse has windows big enough to see out of when you are steering from the inside wheel. Now - what is the difference between a raised saloon and a pilothouse? :P

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I never saw one of these. I do have this question: what is the dividing line between a cabin trunk and a pilothouse?

 

A pilothouse has windows big enough to see out of when you are steering from the inside wheel. Now - what is the difference between a raised saloon and a pilothouse? :P

 

I didn't notice the inside wheel until I read your post.

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I never saw one of these. I do have this question: what is the dividing line between a cabin trunk and a pilothouse?

 

A pilothouse has windows big enough to see out of when you are steering from the inside wheel. Now - what is the difference between a raised saloon and a pilothouse? :P

 

It may just be like porn. No one can define it, but we know it when we see it.

 

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Nope - these are all very specific design aspects. A pilothouse is as described, a raised saloon is similar but doesn't have steering in it. Usually a raised saloon is lower, longer and sleeker than a pilothouse as well. These are the kinds of things that are behind nautical terminology. A cutter is different from a double headsail sloop. There is no such animal as a "cutter/ketch", it's a double headsail ketch, it's a saloon, not a salon (which is where you get your hair cut) and so on.

 

They are all the distinctions that add specificity and clarity. No one would think of calling a bowline a figure eight knot but their nauti-speak frequently starts to slip when the subject gets more arcane.

 

Just ask the Maestro - he likes his English as she is goodly spoke. :D

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Nope - these are all very specific design aspects. A pilothouse is as described, a raised saloon is similar but doesn't have steering in it. Usually a raised saloon is lower, longer and sleeker than a pilothouse as well. These are the kinds of things that are behind nautical terminology. A cutter is different from a double headsail sloop. There is no such animal as a "cutter/ketch", it's a double headsail ketch, it's a saloon, not a salon (which is where you get your hair cut) and so on.

 

They are all the distinctions that add specificity and clarity. No one would think of calling a bowline a figure eight knot but their nauti-speak frequently starts to slip when the subject gets more arcane.

 

Just ask the Maestro - he likes his English as she is goodly spoke. :D

But there is such a thing as a ketch-rigged cutter, right? Depends where you are in the world and exactly what you are looking at.

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The aft view looks like parts of at least four different boats have been combined. How one of Columbus' ships made it into the mix is a mystery.

 

I think I would have at least burned up a paper towel wiping down that sink before the picture. Has he been using a small section of the counter as an ashtray or something?

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I think that's called 'junk in the trunk'

 

and how are you supposed to steer it with the wheel up high on the wall like that.

 

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I think that's called 'junk in the trunk'

 

and how are you supposed to steer it with the wheel up high on the wall like that.

 

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saw this earlier. I honestly thought that was a decoration ...

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I have two submissions to the panel. The first gained entry by the high rise addition, the second was, I believe, designed that way.

 

Both are going for the altitude award.

 

BequiatoGrenada2013049_zps8071b1ce.jpg

 

 

Good catch

 

I like the way the hard dodger lid slopes to almost match the stive of the boom. Tape measure malfunction, or design feature?

 

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design feature. That's a Cheoy Lee 53 IINM...

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I think that's called 'junk in the trunk'

 

and how are you supposed to steer it with the wheel up high on the wall like that.

 

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saw this earlier. I honestly thought that was a decoration ...

 

 

Nah, it's one of those fancy new ones that uses magnetic fields instead of a primitive shaft, hence the empty hole in the middle.

 

You drive using the Force, of course.

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I have two submissions to the panel. The first gained entry by the high rise addition, the second was, I believe, designed that way.

 

Both are going for the altitude award.

 

BequiatoGrenada2013049_zps8071b1ce.jpg

 

 

Good catch

 

I like the way the hard dodger lid slopes to almost match the stive of the boom. Tape measure malfunction, or design feature?

 

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design feature. That's a Cheoy Lee 53 IINM...

 

Yup, definitely got the looks of a Gulf Star.

 

edit: Yes a Gulfstar 47 http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=2255

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I posted this earlier, but now that the boat is out of the water and on it's trailer you gain a whole new appreciation.

 

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Mmmphmmphmph. Context is everything,tho. Look at the structures behind it -- the collision of rooflines, dormer/round tower, stilts (?), random window sizing & placement, dumb-ass brick chimney.... It's almost coherent. Like if IM Pei took really bad acid in college, this could have been a freshman project. (I had no idea Bayliner made a center cockpit. :P )

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There's the irony. Bayliner had some very good stylists. They just didn't translate to sailboat designers.

 

 

Many of their powerboats from that era were attractive, for sure. In recent decades, tho, they seem to be going the same 'marshmallow in da microwave' direction that made their sailboats a laughingstock.

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To be fair, it's possible they took calipers to a random sample of American boaters and lofted those dimensions for scantlings. "We're calling this one Milwaukee Pete. It's white, it's fat, and it needs a good wax job."

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Price includes must-have features like the shampoo dispenser in the head.

 

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Hey, I use those. They immensely reduce the clutter in the showers. However, A: now that I no longer have any significant amount of hair, they are not as useful, and B: If you don't use them frequently (e.g. the sunscreen tap in winter time) they dry and clog up.

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There's the irony. Bayliner had some very good stylists. They just didn't translate to sailboat designers.

 

 

Many of their powerboats from that era were attractive, for sure. In recent decades, tho, they seem to be going the same 'marshmallow in da microwave' direction that made their sailboats a laughingstock.

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To be fair, it's possible they took calipers to a random sample of American boaters and lofted those dimensions for scantlings. "We're calling this one Milwaukee Pete. It's white, it's fat, and it needs a good wax job."

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That bottom one is a great illustration of the point!

 

Adding headroom on a powerboat doesn't carry the same penalty it does on a sailboat, and it pleases women, who make a lot of the buying decisions. Their idiot husbands would buy any old boat. ;)

 

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It is not just headroom they are looking for, it's room period thus the puffy bows, bloated superstructures, high freeboards etc. You can see the same trend in sailboats these days with the wide transoms and generally higher freeboards. It's all about volume, and it's the antithesis of the Sliver project.

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There's the irony. Bayliner had some very good stylists. They just didn't translate to sailboat designers.

 

 

Many of their powerboats from that era were attractive, for sure. In recent decades, tho, they seem to be going the same 'marshmallow in da microwave' direction that made their sailboats a laughingstock.

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To be fair, it's possible they took calipers to a random sample of American boaters and lofted those dimensions for scantlings. "We're calling this one Milwaukee Pete. It's white, it's fat, and it needs a good wax job."

355789_1.jpg?t=1140883

 

 

That bottom one is a great illustration of the point!

 

Adding headroom on a powerboat doesn't carry the same penalty it does on a sailboat, and it pleases women, who make a lot of the buying decisions. Their idiot husbands would buy any old boat. ;)

 

Not to hijack, but since you know tons more about powerboats than I ever will... I can see how additional windage might be less detrimental on a powerboat -- 500hp covers up a lot of sins. But what about VCG? Without deep ballast, does adding height to a powerboat upset balance faster than the same superstructure on a sailboat would? (This question is relevant to some of the pilothouse hack jobs on this thread, plus I was looking thru the Albin handbook today & learned our CofG is 1.05m above bottom of keel. Roughly in the bilge sump. Can't wait to see how that feels!)

 

ETA: I have a secret theory -- formerly secret -- that men want the same creature comforts as women do, but we don't want to admit it cuz it's sissy, so we blame the icemaker/overstuffed cushions/private staterooms/flatscreen TV on the wife/girlfriend/kids/resale value. "Oh, I didn't want the full galley with microwave and plate storage -- would gladly eat cold beans outta the can with a marlinspike -- it just came with the SuperSportfisher trim package. And the wife seems to enjoy it."

 

Like, I pretend starting the fireplace when the house drops to 62*F is a concession to my partner... but I'm bloody grateful for the warmth.;)

 

 

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It's the suppository school of design.

I must admit, I'm glad my folks didn't make me go to suppository school.

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picture of the stern which is more "orgy" than "party"

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what a bizarre boat

 

ok...here's what a freak I am. All I can think of is, "what a fucked up bottom paint job that thing needs!"

 

nevertheless, if I was sitting in that hot tub with a bunch of topless babes drinking something with alcohol in it I wouldn't complain. Not even in my head.

 

now that we have a name, you guys need to Google the hell outta that mo'fo. Wow. It boggles the mind...mindboggling I say.

 

There was another thread dedicated to this one awhile back...

 

http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=121615#entry3252335

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I have a new submission for the panel. It is a concept or layout that is new to me. At first I thought "How ugly" but on a second look I thought "Maybe not, it might do the the job?"

 

Nah it's ugly.

 

Anyway I give you the Fales Navigator. I guess it is a pilothouse yacht.

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that is the Navigator 38, which is 22% uglier than a Fales Navigator 32. I like the 32, but the 38 just looks too... lanky.

It is an interesting design with a pretty practical plan, as motorsailors go. the flybridge helm is right at the mast, the pilothouse station directly below.

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It's the suppository school of design.

 

I hope you're talking about Sliver there! I sure wouldn't want that bottom Bayliner being shoved up there - Sliver looks like it would slip in easily. ;) (Well, maybe before the rigging goes on).

 

That bottom Bayliner looks like a size 52 running shoe.

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picture of the stern which is more "orgy" than "party"

yacht-pilar-rossi.jpg

 

what a bizarre boat

 

ok...here's what a freak I am. All I can think of is, "what a fucked up bottom paint job that thing needs!"

 

nevertheless, if I was sitting in that hot tub with a bunch of topless babes drinking something with alcohol in it I wouldn't complain. Not even in my head.

 

now that we have a name, you guys need to Google the hell outta that mo'fo. Wow. It boggles the mind...mindboggling I say.

 

There was another thread dedicated to this one awhile back...

 

http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=121615#entry3252335

 

That boat is so weird I actually kind of like it. :blink: I'd like to see what sort of stern wave it makes.

 

Does anyone know who designed the mods? I understand it started life as a motor yacht.

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I want to hate it.. i really do..

but for some reason i just cant.

 

Me too. It's no beauty, that's for sure but I can't help feeling that it could be a very satisfactory cruising boat for around here. All the summer motoring and then an inside steering position for the cold, wet weather when there is some wind.

 

I doubt it sails very well but imagine that concept done by the Maestro - a real sailing hull with a fishing trawler topside - it might actually work.

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I have a new submission for the panel. It is a concept or layout that is new to me. At first I thought "How ugly" but on a second look I thought "Maybe not, it might do the the job?"

 

Nah it's ugly.

 

Anyway I give you the Fales Navigator. I guess it is a pilothouse yacht.

I kinda like it too, in a weird sort of way. With the grey paint, it reminds me of a rig on one of "Winston's Little Ships".

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See, here's why I am attracted to the fales navigator, and why i am okay wiht the ugly lines-

she is purposeful...

with the exception of the faux-planking, which i think is an abominable affectation on any frozen snot hull...

but,. it works. this is a boat of affectations, and having been on a couple, I gotta say...

it maybe the perfect retirees boat.

tabernacle, so dropping the mast is less of a chore. this boat just screams Great Loop.

Helm at the mast, no going forward along treacherous decks, and a great view.

Hell, with those eavestrough side decks, they are not treacherous at all.

a v-berth that is 8' wide at the head. hot flashes? No problem.

head aft of the lower helm, between the salon and the v-berth- great for inebriated guests in all weather.

 

and, that is a hell of a fantail for entertaining:

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they apparently sail like shit, and wallow like hell like most trawlers...

but, still....

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