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I thought I might post this design by Sam Rabl as an antidote to the idea that powerboats are getting uglier and uglier:

 

Sorry but it didn't work - they ARE getting uglier by the day.

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Writing from a country that owns a number of second hand submarines, it seems to me that giving such a craft to a drug cartel would be a great way to immediately bankrupt their operation.

Yeah, the boat looks like shit.  But they're smiling, which is the reason to sail......

This is what happens when you wear socks with sandals.

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When I was about 14 years old and starting to get the boat bug my parents took me to thius guys house for dinner. We never went back and we never had him to our house. Odd. He was a Boeing engineer and he was building a motor boat in his garage. I perked right up when I heard that and he took me out to the garage and there was the boat. It looked a lot like that Sam Rabl boat. And yes, I do know who Sam Rabl was. I am Bob Perry and I know all sorts of useless boat trivia. Neener neener.

 

But here's the deal:

The boat the guy was building had aircraft retractable landing gear so it didn't need a trailer! Nice gear. He was building it from one 8" by 10" sketch he had done. That's it. I saw it. Not a very good sketch either.

Fair dinkum.

 

When he finished the boat I saw it one day. He had painted the entire boat and I mean THE ENTIRE BOAT purple. Yes dear reader, purple.

I didn't have the chance to talk to him. Don't recall where I saw the boat but I did see it. In a parking lot as I dimly recall. Still purple.

Purple.

Retractable landing gear.

8" by 10" sheet of notebook paper.

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When I was about 14 years old and starting to get the boat bug my parents took me to thius guys house for dinner. We never went back and we never had him to our house. Odd. He was a Boeing engineer and he was building a motor boat in his garage. I perked right up when I heard that and he took me out to the garage and there was the boat. It looked a lot like that Sam Rabl boat. And yes, I do know who Sam Rabl was. I am Bob Perry and I know all sorts of useless boat trivia. Neener neener.

 

But here's the deal:

The boat the guy was building had aircraft retractable landing gear so it didn't need a trailer! Nice gear. He was building it from one 8" by 10" sketch he had done. That's it. I saw it. Not a very good sketch either.

Fair dinkum.

 

When he finished the boat I saw it one day. He had painted the entire boat and I mean THE ENTIRE BOAT purple. Yes dear reader, purple.

I didn't have the chance to talk to him. Don't recall where I saw the boat but I did see it. In a parking lot as I dimly recall. Still purple.

Purple.

Retractable landing gear.

8" by 10" sheet of notebook paper.

Sounds like your parents may have been good judges of character too, Bob. :)

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Dunno. I think Frank has (had) 3 boats. Maybe a 66 footer and a TP52 as well; or something like that.

 

Tuff Luff should know.

 

Paging Mr. Tuffie - there is a message in the bar for you.

 

From what I can remember in another thread. Failed as a S/V, sitting in a yard still somewhere planned to have keel removed permanetly and converted to M/V

 

 

I think Mr Pong has more than just 3 boats, he has a couple of 72 footers (Jelik being 1 and another of similar dimensions), at least 1 and possibly 2 TP52s (one of which at one point was called Mui Mui and another from memory was the Foxy Lady IV, possibly V) and some motorboats of various types). Mui Mui I think was supposed to be a TP52 except being from JK it didn't measure as one, or something to that effect. Not that it matters up here since TPs in Asia are IRCed to race mixed fleet.

 

The burden of being super rich and really passionate about sailing I guess. Lovely guy.

 

Maiden was raced just once in some sort of HK-Boracay type long distance race, I think from memory it was a gift from his wife to him, designed by JK and with canting rig, water ballast in the wings, hiking wings and so on - apparently quite tricky to tack/gybe due to the complexity of operating the whole thing's various moving bits (this came from one of his crew when we were hanging out eating Frank's food and having him tow us around at one of the Asian regattas). Now with various other 90 footers showing up, it seems like it would be a good time to pull the Maiden back out to race, if only you could figure out how to make the thing go around corners a little easier.

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Here's at least two candidates. The bent PVC pipe boat in the foreground, (this is actually a pretty clean and professionally done one), or the tri-hulled thing in the back.

 

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If you've ever wondered what the office of a Taiwanese fishing boat looks like...

 

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In case the preventative maintenance is insufficient. Please ignore the marks from the incense.

 

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My partner for the 2014 EC is going to finally try to sail his boat this weekend. He's not all that amused at being on this thread, but too bad. I tell him designing boats means you are going to be the subject of either adulation or ridicule, so you better have a sense of humor if you head down that path.

 

I'm going to try to be along (on another boat) for the launch on Saturday or Sunday.

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Tell him to HTFU and re=read the title. Note the "admiration" part. Competing in the EC in a homebuilt boat? That's admirable.

Ferfucksakes, he drives a Prizm.

Prizm...with a z.

 

The boat is the best looking thing in the driveway.

The trailer comes second.

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Hats off to both of you. And him in particular, for having a great sense of humour. That's just fun.

 

He needs a .50 cal on the front just for the hell of it.

 

Nobody'd laugh at him then, fer sure.

 

Is that the Santa Claus boat, painted a different color? Good call. Nice sail plan too, looks a bit underpowered but easy to handle.

Also, my advice is don't ever dunk that kit trailer in salt water. It will rust out before you make it home, the first time. Fresh water is not so good for it either.

 

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Hats off to both of you. And him in particular, for having a great sense of humour. That's just fun.

 

He needs a .50 cal on the front just for the hell of it.

Same boat, now called Blue D

Nobody'd laugh at him then, fer sure.

 

Is that the Santa Claus boat, painted a different color? Good call. Nice sail plan too, looks a bit underpowered but easy to handle.

Also, my advice is don't ever dunk that kit trailer in salt water. It will rust out before you make it home, the first time. Fresh water is not so good for it either.

 

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He's not doing in that boat. We're doing it in my home built boat! :D

 

OK - start a thread or own the comments, but, I wanta see what you're doing that race in! If I ever get to the point where I can afford that much time away from the office, the EC is on my bucket list!

 

^ what he said ^

except that I don't have an office

 

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He's not doing in that boat. We're doing it in my home built boat! :D

 

OK - start a thread or own the comments, but, I wanta see what you're doing that race in! If I ever get to the point where I can afford that much time away from the office, the EC is on my bucket list!

 

^ what he said ^

except that I don't have an office

 

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funny, that is exactly how I got into this whole thing, bucket list comment and all. A friend said that I was too young for a bucket list. He was right so I went with it. It is a lot of time, but if you are quick down the course you could be back in about a week. Not far from eastern N.C., Steamflyer. Or what about the North Carolina Challenge? How far is Beaufort from you?

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Some of y'all may be too young to remember that back in the '70s there was tremendous interest in getting cruising accommodations in small boats. Lots of builders participated, including Cal. This O'Day had about the biggest pop-top of all. At the time, I thought it was pretty cool, based entirely on pictures. I never saw one up close.

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Yep. Oday 23 pop-top. Basically the same boat as the Oday 22 only with the lifting cabin trunk and a cheaper keel-centerboard. Of all stupid things, I used to race one.

 

Actually it was fun because of the people. Owners girlfriend used to cook while we were sailing and griped that we did not raise the cabin top for her (joking... I think). And that PHRF fleet was made up of equally gimpy boats so it was tight.

 

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How can you ever keep water (rain or other) from pouring in through the hole the mast passes through???

 

 

Probably the same way you do on boats with fixed trunks. In my case, by keeping the entire boat under a tent.

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The Norfolk Broads are a series of lakes (well, ex Roman peat quarries) connnected by rivers. A quintessentially British cruising ground. Cruising boats built for the Broads - very commonly hire boats - have long been built with lifting cabin roofs of one sort or another. But kind of cool in a retro way, rather than ugly IMHO.

 

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How can you ever keep water (rain or other) from pouring in through the hole the mast passes through???

 

And an offset companionway as well...

 

WTF?!?!

What do you mean, "keep the water out" ?

Why are you foolin' around in a boat in the first place if you don't like water pouring over you?

 

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How can you ever keep water (rain or other) from pouring in through the hole the mast passes through???

 

And an offset companionway as well...

 

WTF?!?!

What do you mean, "keep the water out" ?

Why are you foolin' around in a boat in the first place if you don't like water pouring over you?

 

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My former slip-neighbor had a pop-top cabin of some sort. It also had a teleflex-like steering system for the outboard, with an automotive steering wheel mounted on the bulkhead. Not quite so outlandish that I ever took a picture of it, but it looked a bit... off.

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The Norfolk Broads are a series of lakes (well, ex Roman peat quarries) connnected by rivers. A quintessentially British cruising ground. Cruising boats built for the Broads - very commonly hire boats - have long been built with lifting cabin roofs of one sort or another. But kind of cool in a retro way, rather than ugly IMHO.

 

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Definitely cool. I chartered one of the 24 footers for a long weekend. The boat was built sometime in the 30s and was a delight to sail even when short tacking up a narrow river. No engine of course was fitted to those from Hunters Yard.

 

It was a Hustler and a far cry in style from that O'Day thing.

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The Norfolk Broads are a series of lakes (well, ex Roman peat quarries) connnected by rivers. A quintessentially British cruising ground. Cruising boats built for the Broads - very commonly hire boats - have long been built with lifting cabin roofs of one sort or another. But kind of cool in a retro way, rather than ugly IMHO.

 

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Definitely cool. I chartered one of the 24 footers for a long weekend. The boat was built sometime in the 30s and was a delight to sail even when short tacking up a narrow river. No engine of course was fitted to those from Hunters Yard.

 

It was a Hustler and a far cry in style from that O'Day thing.

No that looks pretty cool.

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If that thing had been built by a couple of 10 year old boys it would be very cool.

 

Having been built by an adult puts it in the category of "waste of human energy".

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I built a wooden pinball machine when I was 12 or 13 and I remember starting a wooden camper shell for my Datsun pickup. I love wood and sailboats but I'd never build a boat. There are too many boats, even wooden ones that sail well, that can be bought for so little that it makes no sense. Sorry, the wooden, sunfish pilot house is ridiculous.

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Blue Dog had it's first sail today. Based on what Scott said and my observations, she sailed pretty well. Here's a few photos and some grainy video from earlier today.

 

 

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Does look like a blue dog.
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The Norfolk Broads are a series of lakes (well, ex Roman peat quarries) connnected by rivers. A quintessentially British cruising ground. Cruising boats built for the Broads - very commonly hire boats - have long been built with lifting cabin roofs of one sort or another. But kind of cool in a retro way, rather than ugly IMHO.

 

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Definitely cool; Swallows and Amazons territory.

 

Ian Curtis' youtube video of `Coriander' set to a 70's pan flute and bass guitar porn tune weirded me out though.

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If that thing had been built by a couple of 10 year old boys it would be very cool.

 

Having been built by an adult puts it in the category of "waste of human energy".

 

That's a bit harsh. The guy's not claiming he's going to sail around the world in it, or that he's got some new brilliant idea... it's just an inexpensive mating of a Sunfish and a camping tent, no longer sporting a Santa Claus paint job.

 

I bet one of the design constraints was making it fit into available storage space at home, and another design constraint was probably "using up this plywood that's been laying around for a few years."

 

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Doug, you pretty much nailed it. He and I took my truck one day and picked up about 10 sheets, this is the last of them I think.

 

I got to sail the boat today for myself. I was pretty darn cool and a really nice place to be on a cool autumn day. Here is some very grainy and jerky iphone video showing what it's like inside.

 

 

The interior is still a little rough, but now he knows it sails well enough there are plans to finish it out a little better. He's thinking of doing the TX 200 with it some day. A January cruise and EC recon of Florida Bay is on the offing as well.

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It's not a good looking boat in any classical sense but, I don't think it tries to be. It looks kinda fun. I like it.

 

 

I thought it was pretty cute when dressed as Santa.

 

I still admire it dressed in blue.

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It's not a good looking boat in any classical sense but, I don't think it tries to be. It looks kinda fun. I like it.

 

 

I thought it was pretty cute when dressed as Santa.

 

I still admire it dressed in blue.

Really? I see nothing at all to redeem it.

 

I guess its builder should at least get points for a completed project.

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It's not a good looking boat in any classical sense but, I don't think it tries to be. It looks kinda fun. I like it.

 

 

I thought it was pretty cute when dressed as Santa.

 

I still admire it dressed in blue.

Really? I see nothing at all to redeem it.

 

I guess its builder should at least get points for a completed project.

 

I see two big things to admire about it:

 

1. It has interior space on a boat that is waaaay too small to have interior space. As the temperatures fall below 80 and into the "cold" range of the thermometer, I appreciate protection from the elements more each day.

 

2. The video above. Happy owner sailing his creation. That would be redemption enough even without the micro-cabin.

 

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The first one I like. It has a PT boat look about it and seems very cool. Besides, it screams "Gilligan".

 

The second one was a nice boat before the addition of the upper floor. That dodger / windscreen contraption looks like they hit a bridge with it and it deformed. It's like an ugly hat on a pretty woman.

GET RID OF IT!

 

There, I'm all better now.

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The first one I like. It has a PT boat look about it and seems very cool. Besides, it screams "Gilligan".

 

The second one was a nice boat before the addition of the upper floor. That dodger / windscreen contraption looks like they hit a bridge with it and it deformed. It's like an ugly hat on a pretty woman.

GET RID OF IT!

 

There, I'm all better now.

 

Yeah, that first one has kind of a hulk-like quality about it and does seem cool, but it's great for the thread because it's pretty ugly too.

 

The second one is another "beauty is in the eye of the beheader" candidate.

 

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I like the top one too. Cool in a lot of ways. Not pretty but far from ugly. The bottom one was probably pretty good looking before the additions, but it's ugly now.

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OK, that lower boat deserves at least a little admiration.

 

Driving up there, the view would be a lot better than the old helm. If you're going to do that, a windscreen is nice.

 

An aft deck is nice, but an enclosed one with good headroom, air conditioning, and a porch on top has its virtues.

 

But it does look like an unnatural union of modern Bayliner and classic motor yacht. We are all free to look away. I hope the owner has fun.

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OK, that lower boat deserves at least a little admiration.

Driving up there, the view would be a lot better than the old helm. If you're going to do that, a windscreen is nice.

An aft deck is nice, but an enclosed one with good headroom, air conditioning, and a porch on top has its virtues.

But it does look like an unnatural union of modern Bayliner and classic motor yacht. We are all free to look away. I hope the owner has fun.

We are all free to look away, but the seen cannot be unseen.

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OK, that lower boat deserves at least a little admiration.

Driving up there, the view would be a lot better than the old helm. If you're going to do that, a windscreen is nice.

An aft deck is nice, but an enclosed one with good headroom, air conditioning, and a porch on top has its virtues.

But it does look like an unnatural union of modern Bayliner and classic motor yacht. We are all free to look away. I hope the owner has fun.

We are all free to look away, but the seen cannot be unseen.

 

That's a cool rowboat

Let's put a sail on it.

 

That way when the sail is lowered, it will hide most of it

 

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I like the top one too.

 

Yup, me too. Cool, in a sort of Naval patrol boat way. Of course, it needs two huge great diesels (or avgas drinking petrol engines. V8s?), with a rich deep burble to carry off the whole effect. And preferably somebody else's credit card to feed them.

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I like the top one too.

 

Yup, me too. Cool, in a sort of Naval patrol boat way. Of course, it needs two huge great diesels (or avgas drinking petrol engines. V8s?), with a rich deep burble to carry off the whole effect. And preferably somebody else's credit card to feed them.

 

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Looks like a Huckins to me.

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Sometimes I pass by a huge old wooden motor yacht somewhat similar to that - it's up on blocks in a boat yard, and I somehow doubt that it will ever float again. Lots of interesting features, but one thing that I can't quite figure out is the propulsion. It's got a big single screw, then a smaller inboard auxiliary screw forward and to one side, complete with its own small rudder. Probably just my ignorance, but I wonder what that was used for. Stone-age trolling motor? Low-speed maneuvering? Could the main engine not be throttled back enough to operate in a marina?

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Sometimes I pass by a huge old wooden motor yacht somewhat similar to that - it's up on blocks in a boat yard, and I somehow doubt that it will ever float again. Lots of interesting features, but one thing that I can't quite figure out is the propulsion. It's got a big single screw, then a smaller inboard auxiliary screw forward and to one side, complete with its own small rudder. Probably just my ignorance, but I wonder what that was used for. Stone-age trolling motor? Low-speed maneuvering? Could the main engine not be throttled back enough to operate in a marina?

 

Get-home wing motor in case the big one croaks. I have seen them on quite a few bigger powerboats.

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It doesn't even appear to be fast. There's really just nothing to like about it.

 

Here, let's admire the Toon 19 instead.

 

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So how does Toon 19 sail? I’m still working out details and I haven’t had a chance to sail in company with comparable boat, but so far I’m pleased. The boat is well balanced and responsive to rudder and sail trim in light and moderate wind. She heels a little more quickly than I might like (perhaps a little ballast would slow the roll), but exhibits good reserve stability. With a single leeboard, the main offset to port, a balanced lug sail which hits the mast on one tack, and the mizzen offset to starboard, Toon 19 is an extreme example of asymmetry. I have tried to determine if the boat has a favored tack; if so, I haven’t been able to identify it.

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That's ... I just ... Why?

 

(The jet thing)

Closer inspection reveals that the "jets" are intended to be tactical nuclear stereo speakers, slightly larger even than those that the wake-board kids use around here. Clearly they would violate several arms-control treaties and hence, if they were ever deployed on a beach near you, would be fair game for 12-gauge practice.

 

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Although it's possible that they might try to fight back:

 

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Submitted for your approval:

 

... ...

 

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Ah...a piece of space junk that floats.

 

 

That's not ugly, certainly not admirable... it's just stupid. It's just an average motorboat with a shell over it that will make it topheavy and impossible to fish, or handle lines, or even do anything outdoors at all, unless you're standing on the stern platform. WTF is it for, ride around and look out the windows?

 

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It doesn't even appear to be fast. There's really just nothing to like about it.

 

Here, let's admire the Toon 19 instead.

 

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So how does Toon 19 sail? I’m still working out details and I haven’t had a chance to sail in company with comparable boat, but so far I’m pleased. The boat is well balanced and responsive to rudder and sail trim in light and moderate wind. She heels a little more quickly than I might like (perhaps a little ballast would slow the roll), but exhibits good reserve stability. With a single leeboard, the main offset to port, a balanced lug sail which hits the mast on one tack, and the mizzen offset to starboard, Toon 19 is an extreme example of asymmetry. I have tried to determine if the boat has a favored tack; if so, I haven’t been able to identify it.

 

Hmm... asymmetry? Does it have an off-center companionway??

Run for your life!!

 

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Submitted for your approval:

 

... ...

 

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Ah...a piece of space junk that floats.

 

 

That's not ugly, certainly not admirable... it's just stupid. It's just an average motorboat with a shell over it that will make it topheavy and impossible to fish, or handle lines, or even do anything outdoors at all, unless you're standing on the stern platform. WTF is it for, ride around and look out the windows?

 

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Whoever designed it never operated at planing boat in any seas. The helm position couldn't be worse if you ever found yourself in a seaway. That's the problem letting someone who is a "designer" and not a "yacht designer" pen your lines. The worst boats I've ever seen always seem to come from some graduate student from industrial design program. Just because someone is capable of drawing a new handle for a Schick razor doesn't mean they should try their hand at boats. This looks like one that slipped through the cracks and actually got built.

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That's ... I just ... Why?

 

(The jet thing)

Closer inspection reveals that the "jets" are intended to be tactical nuclear stereo speakers, slightly larger even than those that the wake-board kids use around here. Clearly they would violate several arms-control treaties and hence, if they were ever deployed on a beach near you, would be fair game for 12-gauge practice.

 

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Although it's possible that they might try to fight back:

 

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Somebody has pretty impressive Photoshop (or some software) skilz. Good ones.

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I like the Escher-esque feel of the eye-deceiving house/aft coaming flow. And I admit to being a sucker for ass-end tumblehome. Yeah, I dig it. I can picture Ernest Borgnine and Tim Conway on the bridge.

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For the consideration of the panel:

 

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I like the Escher-esque feel of the eye-deceiving house/aft coaming flow. And I admit to being a sucker for ass-end tumblehome. Yeah, I dig it. I can picture Ernest Borgnine Carol Burnett and Tim Conway on the bridge.

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I think this has been on here before... Now its for sale

I'm surprised it's still floating to be honest. Wasn't the builder and son going to sail it to Hawaii?

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That was the only Mothers album I ever bought. It was awful.

 

Yah, that was about their worst.

Shoulda either bought Bongo Fury or whichever one it was that had the Eskimo song ( "watch out where the huskies go, don't you eat that yellow snow") on it. I forget details.

 

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I think this has been on here before... Now its for sale

I'm surprised it's still floating to be honest. Wasn't the builder and son going to sail it to Hawaii?

There is nothing to admire about this boat except for the quixotic tenacity of the boat builder. Or, are we admiring the fact that it's still afloat?

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That was the only Mothers album I ever bought. It was awful.

Yah, that was about their worst.

Shoulda either bought Bongo Fury or whichever one it was that had the Eskimo song ( "watch out where the huskies go, don't you eat that yellow snow") on it. I forget details.

 

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I thought that was Frank Zappa that did the yellow snow song.