Foiling Optimist 362 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 That sucks Santana20AE. Was that due to high winds? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crusty 66 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 23 hours ago, Windward said: Whatever happened to that boat that tipped over in Anacortes? Did they cut it up? I believe it was auctioned off last year. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Autonomous 1,234 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Crusty said: I believe it was auctioned off last year. I could see taking it to bare fiberglass and removing one deck. Anything of value not already stripped potentially could receive consideration Basically to me less than the value of a bare hull as it needs a deck removed and who knows how much other cleanup. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 12,645 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Stupid bastards didn't even pickle the engines when it was raised - probably a quarter mill or more lost right there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Santanasailor 647 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 On 2/11/2021 at 2:04 AM, Foiling Optimist said: That sucks Santana20AE. Was that due to high winds? Yep, hard to believe but even being 200 air miles from the coast, North Louisiana is subject to heavy damage from hurricanes. As noted in an earlier post, Sally destroyed our S2. I am in a pickle because i really want to go sailing. (Well not today because we are having sub freezing temperatures and winter precipitation for the next week) See what y’all are missing by not living in North Louisiana. We get the worst of all worlds. Snow, (not so much but enough every couple years or so to go out and play in) freezing rain, (which destroys the ever present pine trees which destroy the power lines/roofs/homes/occasional boats on trailers) sleet, humidity and heat, and of course the annual hurricane or two or three. So the question is, Why do We Stay? Answered in 1976 by an elderly lady who was accompanying a college tour trip to Colorado.. BECAUSE ITS HOME! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dilligaf0220 200 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 On 2/10/2021 at 4:54 PM, MauiPunter said: The company that built that boat is in Chapter 7. They are done. The doors were reopened last year, back to building their bread & butter expedition yachts. https://www.northernmarine.com/northern-marine-yachts-is-back/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
andykane 195 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Weird, all the boats on their "previous builds" page are floating the right way up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 10,672 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 1 hour ago, andykane said: Weird, all the boats on their "previous builds" page are floating the right way up. We had some bad gravity storms that year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MauiPunter 1,403 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Wow. They must have restructured. Last I read it was Chapter 7, maybe they went 11. Yup: http://www.chapter11library.com/downloadDocument.aspx?_docID=09966034-11e1-4a37-9a92-c2f60093e33f Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toddster 938 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Web page in the link says that it was an "acquisition" by another company. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Maxx Baqustae 323 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 The old story with the boat biz: How to make a small fortune in the boat business? Start with a big one! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Israel Hands 1,245 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Here's a homely gal from Alabamy https://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/90005 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snubber 68 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 5 hours ago, Israel Hands said: Here's a homely gal from Alabamy https://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/90005 That boat has some history. Started out as a nice looking Bolger AS29 (if one likes Bolger's large sharpies with bilgeboards). Passed from the builder to the second owner (christened Alisa), and the onto a third owner (christened Pandora). Looked good in white with blue trim. Then it was sold to the current (4th) owners who glued foam board to exterior of the hull, painted it yellow, and cut the huge, huge windows. They completed the Loop about 4-5 years ago; it looked like they motored most of the way. I corresponded with them a few years ago and they said the mast was rotted. I have a soft spot in my heart for Bolger sharpies, esp. the AS29 and 39. But this one? Not my cup of tea. Snubs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 8,448 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 18 minutes ago, snubber said: 5 hours ago, Israel Hands said: Here's a homely gal from Alabamy https://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/90005 That boat has some history. Started out as a nice looking Bolger AS29 (if one likes Bolger's large sharpies with bilgeboards). Passed from the builder to the second owner (christened Alisa), and the onto a third owner (christened Pandora). Looked good in white with blue trim. Then it was sold to the current (4th) owners who glued foam board to exterior of the hull, painted it yellow, and cut the huge, huge windows. They completed the Loop about 4-5 years ago; it looked like they motored most of the way. I corresponded with them a few years ago and they said the mast was rotted. I have a soft spot in my heart for Bolger sharpies, esp. the AS29 and 39. But this one? Not my cup of tea. Snubs Longevity is a big issue with these boats. Any minor sloppiness in building is certain to produce a soft spot giving rise to a rotten spot etc etc. Of course, repair is relatively easy on a simple box. In general, I really like Bolger box boats. I've only built (2) and used (3) small ones. They work just fine, they're good enough boats that I think our obsession with shapely hulls is just about pointless for 90%+ of usage. But the utility of building a big box boat seems less now that mass-produced cruiser-racers are going for pennies on the market... well, covid-induced market upheavals notwithstanding... FB- Doug 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwoLegged 2,238 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Steam Flyer said: In general, I really like Bolger box boats. I've only built (2) and used (3) small ones. They work just fine, they're good enough boats that I think our obsession with shapely hulls is just about pointless for 90%+ of usage. But the utility of building a big box boat seems less now that mass-produced cruiser-racers are going for pennies on the market... well, covid-induced market upheavals notwithstanding... If a used plastic cruiser-racer fits your purposes, then sure -- that's much better value than a huge bunch a labour to build a wooden sharpie. But if you actually want a boat with minimal draft and a mast on a tabernacle, then a plastic-cruiser-racer simply won't do the job. This one's 5 years on the hard may be a sign that that there is something seriously amiss. The boat may even have reached the end of its life. But if the repairs are not too major, then this may be the perfect Great Loop boat 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Autonomous 1,234 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Those 4th owner, covered in foam windows are likely floating in rot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snubber 68 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Steam Flyer said: Longevity is a big issue with these boats. Any minor sloppiness in building is certain to produce a soft spot giving rise to a rotten spot etc etc. Of course, repair is relatively easy on a simple box. In general, I really like Bolger box boats. I've only built (2) and used (3) small ones. They work just fine, they're good enough boats that I think our obsession with shapely hulls is just about pointless for 90%+ of usage. But the utility of building a big box boat seems less now that mass-produced cruiser-racers are going for pennies on the market... well, covid-induced market upheavals notwithstanding... FB- Doug Agreed (RE soft spots and rot). When this particular AS29 was Alisa, it suffered rot where the bilgeboard trunk connects to the hull bottom. I remember the owner at the time detailed the repair online. I used top quality materials for my Long Micro and it still had a few areas that required grinding or removal. I view annual maintenance a portion of the cost of owning a wooden-ish (GRP) boat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dogscout 212 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 That thing is so ugly inside that I dont think you could get homeless people to move in. Well maybe cats. Cats might like that litterbox. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 8,448 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 6 hours ago, Dogscout said: That thing is so ugly inside that I dont think you could get homeless people to move in. Well maybe cats. Cats might like that litterbox. But (if sound) very practical for many types of long term cruising. Your boat is very nice indeed, but it can neither pull up to a beach nor run under a bridge, whereas one of these boats (if sound) could do everything your boat can do in open water... just not as fast, especially up wind. Nor as good looking, which is a rather specialized function and it's highly valued. But then it wouldn't be in the "uglyboats" thread! FB- Doug Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 8,448 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 8 hours ago, snubber said: Agreed (RE soft spots and rot). When this particular AS29 was Alisa, it suffered rot where the bilgeboard trunk connects to the hull bottom. I remember the owner at the time detailed the repair online. I used top quality materials for my Long Micro and it still had a few areas that required grinding or removal. I view annual maintenance a portion of the cost of owning a wooden-ish (GRP) boat. Long Micro seems like a really nice little boat, it's one I admire for combining conventional good looks with functionality and such a simple build. I had a friend with an AS-19 which he (an ex-marine) referred to as a "Landing Craft, Sail... Small... with lots of beer." It sailed pretty well, except for hard on the wind. He modified it to have a bigger hatch with a pop-up for headroom, which kind of spoiled the forward hatch which was important for access to the forward "bay" which was very practical as designed. He used it for weekend expeditions to isolated places that very few people and very boats with any accomodation can get to, such as the marshy islands along North Carolina's sounds. It could carry a remarkable load of gear and supplies without seeming to go down on her lines, much... IMHO it did affect her sailing but he didn't seem to notice or care. One of those, or a Martha Jane, would be a fantastic Everglades Challenge boat. I built a couple of box dinghies including a 'minimized' shoe box that was 5'6" LOA and could in fact carry two adults... that was actually one of the most fun boats I've ever owned, easy enough to carry around that you could almost forget you'd brought it. It's the only dinghy I've ever carried inside a cruising boats cabin, when my cousin and I found out it would fit down his companionway. It's also the only dinghy I have ever carried up a snowy hill, to sled down. Unfortunately I built it out of cheap materials (luan underlayment) and it was very short lived.... turned to mulch in about 3~4 years. FB- Doug 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SemiSalt 282 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Quote Then it was sold to the current (4th) owners who glued foam board to exterior of the hull, painted it yellow, and cut the huge, huge windows. I doubt Bolger contemplated four (4!) owners. He was trying for the smallest pile of materials with the assumption that also meant small cost and small building time. Properly fitted out, an AS-29 looks shipshape and does work. Bolger would agree that you could compile more money, time, and skill into a better boat. To illustrate the point, consider some alternate designs with similar capabilities, but more conventional design. First, Tanton design #940, SeaWeed. Thirty=four feet long. Second, Karl Stambaugh's Bahama Mama. You are welcome to prefer either to the AS-29, but the Bolger boat will be halfway around the Great Loop before you launch. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snubber 68 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 4 hours ago, Steam Flyer said: Long Micro seems like a really nice little boat, it's one I admire for combining conventional good looks with functionality and such a simple build. I had a friend with an AS-19 which he (an ex-marine) referred to as a "Landing Craft, Sail... Small... with lots of beer." It sailed pretty well, except for hard on the wind. He modified it to have a bigger hatch with a pop-up for headroom, which kind of spoiled the forward hatch which was important for access to the forward "bay" which was very practical as designed. He used it for weekend expeditions to isolated places that very few people and very boats with any accomodation can get to, such as the marshy islands along North Carolina's sounds. It could carry a remarkable load of gear and supplies without seeming to go down on her lines, much... IMHO it did affect her sailing but he didn't seem to notice or care. One of those, or a Martha Jane, would be a fantastic Everglades Challenge boat. I built a couple of box dinghies including a 'minimized' shoe box that was 5'6" LOA and could in fact carry two adults... that was actually one of the most fun boats I've ever owned, easy enough to carry around that you could almost forget you'd brought it. It's the only dinghy I've ever carried inside a cruising boats cabin, when my cousin and I found out it would fit down his companionway. It's also the only dinghy I have ever carried up a snowy hill, to sled down. Unfortunately I built it out of cheap materials (luan underlayment) and it was very short lived.... turned to mulch in about 3~4 years. FB- Doug 1. AS-19 is awesome. I like what it represents in the evolution of Bolger's thinking, as he worked towards Micro and Long Micro, and I love the landing craft bow. I contemplated building one, but I like a ballasted boat and opted for LM. 2. Martha Jane is cool. I recall (around early 2000s) there was some debate about its ability to right itself when swamped and a discussion about adding sponsons or floatation high on the cockpit coaming. The concern stemmed (I think) that someone in Oz had swamped their MJ and it would not float upright. I recall there's an MJ and an AS29 in coastal NC. 3. The allure of Bolger ("glue the plywood. Paint it. Go sail") is also the undoing. For a shoebox, that's fine. But I have seen many of his mid-sized boats for sale, built of ply-and-paint, partially rotted with badly checked plywood. I used marine ply and a lot of fiberglass and epoxy and still have an occasional issue with water intrusion (usually a deck leak), or spots where the un-fiberglassed ply checks. I kept my LM docked for a few seasons, but now my she spends most of her time either indoors on the trailer, or (now) under a tarp. It's slowed the maintenance. Snubs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snubber 68 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 3 hours ago, SemiSalt said: I doubt Bolger contemplated four (4!) owners. He was trying for the smallest pile of materials with the assumption that also meant small cost and small building time. Properly fitted out, an AS-29 looks shipshape and does work. Bolger would agree that you could compile more money, time, and skill into a better boat. To illustrate the point, consider some alternate designs with similar capabilities, but more conventional design. First, Tanton design #940, SeaWeed. Thirty=four feet long. Second, Karl Stambaugh's Bahama Mama. You are welcome to prefer either to the AS-29, but the Bolger boat will be halfway around the Great Loop before you launch. Agreed. Bolger was practical and simple in his designs. Susan A., who was the force behind the AS29 upgrade (some of which is good, but the steel-plate ballast is a not-so-good-idea, methinks) leaned towards more complicated shapes and designs. Her drawings of the last AS shaprie, the AS34 (?). show a multi-chine hull with bilge boards. *gasp. The horror*. Snubs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,971 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 my friend martin in his bolger 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vaeredil 139 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 19 minutes ago, dylan winter said: my friend martin in his bolger As always, so well filmed. Interesting to see the junk but I must say I absolutely love the films when you have the shots of the one design classes and the local sailboats just happily tacking along. Makes everything feel right in the world, you know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
[email protected] 427 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Speaking of Bulgers, I don't remember if this has been posted - or indeed if I've already posted it - but this was built where I used to holiday 30 odd years ago, I have always found it an oddly beautiful craft. Obviously capable too, having sailed the whole east coast of Australia and beyond. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 12,645 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 I've never been much of a fan of Bolger but that boat is very cool. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 8,448 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 16 minutes ago, [email protected] said: Speaking of Bulgers, I don't remember if this has been posted - or indeed if I've already posted it - but this was built where I used to holiday 30 odd years ago, I have always found it an oddly beautiful craft. Obviously capable too, having sailed the whole east coast of Australia and beyond. I think... not sure... that is ROMP which is intended to be a shallow-water-capable ocean cruiser. Very high LPOS (he explained it differently in the book) due to the sheer and the distribution of volume in the ends of the hull, and (if built as designed) a big steel bar buried in the keel. If so, this is a very different boat that his sharpies. Whatever, it's a beauty! Thanks! FB- Doug 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snubber 68 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 36 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said: I think... not sure... that is ROMP which is intended to be a shallow-water-capable ocean cruiser. Very high LPOS (he explained it differently in the book) due to the sheer and the distribution of volume in the ends of the hull, and (if built as designed) a big steel bar buried in the keel. If so, this is a very different boat that his sharpies. Whatever, it's a beauty! Thanks! FB- Doug Yes, a Romp named "Beluga Too". Was for sail in Qld, Australia in 2014. Spec sheet listed it as a SS centerboard with a 2" SS shoe. She looked to be in wonderful shape. Big, open interior (except for the centerboard case), with berths running P+S, and a small galley. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Baldur 149 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 The cabin is fugly to my eye. Original design of this boat was pretty. But I admire how much room you have inside and acknowledge her suitability for purpose of cruising the PNW and SE AK. https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1967/cheoy-lee-center-cockpit-sloop-3752924/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 12,645 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Where's George Barris when he's needed? Painting the cabin sides pale grey might help the visuals Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 10,672 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 hour ago, SloopJonB said: Where's George Barris when he's needed? Painting the cabin sides pale grey might help the visuals Or even white. There is no place for babyshit brown on a boat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chester 1,255 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Ishmael said: Or even white. There is no place for babyshit brown on a boat. i wonder if baby shit brown is the pantone label? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crusty 66 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 11 hours ago, SloopJonB said: Where's George Barris when he's needed? Painting the cabin sides pale grey might help the visuals Dead. He can’t help it now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerC 17 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Not all the classics are classics. I like a good bowsprit as much as the next bloke, but a good thing can be taken too far. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 8,448 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 5 hours ago, RogerC said: Not all the classics are classics. I like a good bowsprit as much as the next bloke, but a good thing can be taken too far. Looks good to me. It's a good curb feeler for sailing in the fog, too FB- Doug 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 10,672 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Bowsprit? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwoLegged 2,238 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 5 hours ago, RogerC said: Not all the classics are classics. I like a good bowsprit as much as the next bloke, but a good thing can be taken too far. RogerC, that attitude is irresponsible. Short bowsprits have a frustratingly low casualty rate. The low risk of imminent death leads to arrogance amongst bow men. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elegua 1,851 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 On 2/22/2021 at 1:54 PM, Ishmael said: Or even white. There is no place for babyshit brown on a boat. You should tell Nautor. All the bilges for the classic swans are baby poop. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwoLegged 2,238 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Elegua said: You should tell Nautor. All the bilges for the classic swans are baby poop. Does the colour matter down there? The classic Swans are dark woodcaves inside, so how can you tell what colour it is? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 10,672 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 31 minutes ago, TwoLegged said: Does the colour matter down there? The classic Swans are dark woodcaves inside, so how can you tell what colour it is? Light a match? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwoLegged 2,238 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Ishmael said: 34 minutes ago, TwoLegged said: Does the colour matter down there? The classic Swans are dark woodcaves inside, so how can you tell what colour it is? Light a match? That's the way to change the colour to black. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Elegua 1,851 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 43 minutes ago, TwoLegged said: Does the colour matter down there? The classic Swans are dark woodcaves inside, so how can you tell what colour it is? No, they are not. Ours had a nice light colored koto wood interior and plenty of deck prisms for natural light away from the dog house and hatches. Just the bilges were brown. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwoLegged 2,238 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, Elegua said: Ours had a nice light colored koto wood interior I thought that the classic Swans all had teak or mahogany interiors. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elegua 1,851 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Just now, TwoLegged said: I thought that the classic Swans all had teak or mahogany interiors. Nope. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whinging Pom 264 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 1972 Swan 40 Only owned her for a season. Thankfully some other mug had rose coloured binoculars too. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwoLegged 2,238 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 32 minutes ago, Whinging Pom said: 1972 Swan 40 I have a soft spot for the Swan 40. First keelboat I ever got to sail on, aged about ten. The boat was still young enough to be winning offshore races, and our spin around the bay under main alone in a force 5/6 was thrilling. A completely different experience to the open boats I had sailed since I was a toddler. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bugsy 701 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 This is a a narco-submarine. I guess I can admire the ingenuity but that is one ugly submarine. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56382615 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alphafb552 626 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Prepare the eye bleach folks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SemiSalt 282 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 On 3/13/2021 at 8:26 AM, Bugsy said: This is a a narco-submarine. I guess I can admire the ingenuity but that is one ugly submarine. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56382615 Smuggler's vessel maybe, but submarine no. Not even Brit Chance would think that flat transom could be dragged through the water. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lark 1,925 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 4 hours ago, SemiSalt said: Smuggler's vessel maybe, but submarine no. Not even Brit Chance would think that flat transom could be dragged through the water. Are there actual submersible smuggling boats? Or don't they get caught, so there is no evidence? After all, John Holland managed it with 120 year old technology and less equipment then a modern cartel can afford. The Germans used blockade running U-boats to evade destroyers with depth charges. Unless the coast guard starts using sonar and loitering a day or so for the boat to resurface, 100 feet dive depth and 3 knots submerged would be adequate. You don't even need WW I performance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toddster 938 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 My first thought was, "Maybe it wasn't intended to be a submarine, but that's how it worked out..." Creative marketing to unload one of those backyard monstrosities on to someone who can actually afford it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 12,645 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Lark said: Are there actual submersible smuggling boats? Or don't they get caught, so there is no evidence? After all, John Holland managed it with 120 year old technology and less equipment then a modern cartel can afford. The Germans used blockade running U-boats to evade destroyers with depth charges. Unless the coast guard starts using sonar and loitering a day or so for the boat to resurface, 100 feet dive depth and 3 knots submerged would be adequate. You don't even need WW I performance. Cocaine U-boats are old news. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
longy 855 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 That's because non of these vessels are actually "submarines". Better description might be 'low riders'. They cannot go fully submersed at all, they are meant to have just the 'conning tower/air intakes' above water. Watch the video attached to the pic above to see one in action The thing the Spanish police found is really weird, not a 'low rider' at all, but a re-used power boat hull with spray chines to reduce the visual amount of spray. Painting it light blue to blend in? And incorporating a garage door in the stern for those moonlit nights Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lark 1,925 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 hour ago, SloopJonB said: Cocaine U-boats are old news. Can you reference one that can completely submerge and resurface? I've never seen a report of one with actual ballast and trim tanks, diving planes, water pressure gauge, etc. All I've seen are low riders as longy calls them, mislabeled as submarines by ignorant reporters looking for a headline and missing the submerge detail. The only report I've seen was this one, found in a jungle. Its reported to be a short range boat, never actually used. For the millions of dollars involved, the apparent fact that nobody has bothered to recreate the technical ability of a WW I u-boat (without the need for torpedoes) either means nobody has caught one, or that shipping Chinese fentanyl by mail is so safe and reliable they have no need to risk their necks at sea. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 12,645 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Lark said: Can you reference one that can completely submerge and resurface? I read about one a couple or 3 years ago IIRC caught off Central America that seemed to fully submerge, albeit extremely unpleasantly and dangerously for the 2 or 3 crew. Not going to research it for you though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crash 1,008 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Here you go... https://news.usni.org/2020/11/16/rare-electric-narco-submarine-seized-in-colombia 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 8,448 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 12 hours ago, SloopJonB said: 13 hours ago, Lark said: Can you reference one that can completely submerge and resurface? I read about one a couple or 3 years ago IIRC caught off Central America that seemed to fully submerge, albeit extremely unpleasantly and dangerously for the 2 or 3 crew. Not going to research it for you though. I've read about a couple that could cruise at snorkel depth. Much less of a challenge but still potentially deadly. FB- Doug Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwoLegged 2,238 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 4 hours ago, Steam Flyer said: I've read about a couple that could cruise at snorkel depth. Much less of a challenge but still potentially deadly. Given the profits involved in drug smuggling, it is very surprising that the smugglers have not invested more heavily in better submarines. I guess that they get a high enough success rate from other methods that there has been no need to invest in expensive machines. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hukilau 170 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 It's not so easy to buy a real submarine; I don't doubt that some corrupt third world navy would sell one to a private party, but I can't believe that's going to be a normal thing. And it's a far cry from finding someone who can build a low rider to having the ability to build an actual submersible. The technology may be over 100 years old, but figuring out how to actually get one built (even to WWI standards) has to be limited to a very few number of people. Even assuming you could find a used sub or figure out how to build one, training a crew to be able to sail one successfully has to be just as difficult. Granted, the money to be made is vast; still, I don't see how spending millions on one vessel and crew is going to be cost effective. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
andykane 195 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Writing from a country that owns a number of second hand submarines, it seems to me that giving such a craft to a drug cartel would be a great way to immediately bankrupt their operation. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 8,448 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 1 hour ago, andykane said: Writing from a country that owns a number of second hand submarines, it seems to me that giving such a craft to a drug cartel would be a great way to immediately bankrupt their operation. Sounds like a good plan to me. They seem to be able to afford planes... maybe if we get them hooked on horses and sailing? FB- Doug Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MauiPunter 1,403 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 3 hours ago, andykane said: Writing from a country that owns a number of second hand submarines, it seems to me that giving such a craft to a drug cartel would be a great way to immediately bankrupt their operation. All they need is a coke habit. That will surely bankrupt them. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chester 1,255 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 5 hours ago, andykane said: Writing from a country that owns a number of second hand submarines, it seems to me that giving such a craft to a drug cartel would be a great way to immediately bankrupt their operation. true! those diesel UK bargains were anything but! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerC 17 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 I like sailboats but I often wish there was a telephone booth stuck in the middle of the cockpit SAY NO MORE Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bugsy 701 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 It never occurred to them to route the engine exhaust out the transom? I admire the absence of crap on the back. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 12,645 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Bugsy said: It never occurred to them to route the engine exhaust out the transom? Probably a dry stack - fishboats use them a lot here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 10,672 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 3 hours ago, RogerC said: I like sailboats but I often wish there was a telephone booth stuck in the middle of the cockpit SAY NO MORE That's a well-camouflaged Tardis. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Corryvreckan 351 Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Ishmael said: That's a well-camouflaged Tardis. You beat me to it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
[email protected] 427 Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 13 hours ago, RogerC said: I like sailboats but I often wish there was a telephone booth stuck in the middle of the cockpit SAY NO MORE Early Tasmanian fishing boat - they generally have a wheelhouse like that. Built as a commercial vessel, so doesn't qualify. ... I guess growing up with them I've always found them beautiful, and she's a well preserved example.. you'd certainly appreciate the shelter if you saw the conditions they fish in. As for the exhaust, JonB is onto it - I believe it gibe longer engine life - again, commercial consideration ... gotta admit that was nearly a downvote from me as I took it a bit too personally! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bull City 2,596 Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Saw this at ERR several years ago. I believe it was converted to a family cruiser. Not pretty, but has a certain charm. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pertsa 271 Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 On 3/17/2021 at 7:59 PM, Hukilau said: It's not so easy to buy a real submarine; I don't doubt that some corrupt third world navy would sell one to a private party, but I can't believe that's going to be a normal thing. And it's a far cry from finding someone who can build a low rider to having the ability to build an actual submersible. The technology may be over 100 years old, but figuring out how to actually get one built (even to WWI standards) has to be limited to a very few number of people. Even assuming you could find a used sub or figure out how to build one, training a crew to be able to sail one successfully has to be just as difficult. Granted, the money to be made is vast; still, I don't see how spending millions on one vessel and crew is going to be cost effective. Well, one businessman in Finland bought one in 1993, one like this. Of couse ex-soviet boat which was delivered to finland for scrapping. Later lost during tow after being sold to Thailand in 2007. I would guess that crew is largest issue and dockyard needed. It is not like you can keep boat in service even if you had money. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eliboat 591 Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Bull City said: Saw this at ERR several years ago. I believe it was converted to a family cruiser. Not pretty, but has a certain charm. Sardine carrier. They’re actually quite pretty, and some have been converted to pretty elegant cruisers. Grayling is probably the best example 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bull City 2,596 Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 3 hours ago, eliboat said: Sardine carrier. They’re actually quite pretty, and some have been converted to pretty elegant cruisers. Grayling is probably the best example Beautiful article about her in WoodenBoat. GRAYLING is pretty. There's a lot to be said for the concept, since it offers so much deck space. Heck, you could put out some Adirondack chairs and a picnic table. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bull City 2,596 Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 4 hours ago, Pertsa said: Well, one businessman in Finland bought one in 1993, one like this. Of couse ex-soviet boat which was delivered to finland for scrapping. Later lost during tow after being sold to Thailand in 2007. I would guess that crew is largest issue and dockyard needed. It is not like you can keep boat in service even if you had money. Oh, a businessman? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elegua 1,851 Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 3 hours ago, eliboat said: Sardine carrier. They’re actually quite pretty, and some have been converted to pretty elegant cruisers. Grayling is probably the best example Here's something very like her going down Muscle Ridge 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Corryvreckan 351 Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 4 hours ago, Elegua said: Here's something very like her going down Muscle Ridge [checks Urban Dictionary] 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eliboat 591 Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 6 hours ago, Elegua said: Here's something very like her going down Muscle Ridge Can’t wait to be heading through there in about a month. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NaClH20 188 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 10 hours ago, Elegua said: Here's something very like her going down Muscle Ridge That would be the Irene Alton, an actual working boat and not yachtified. Found regularly banging around southwestern Penobscot Bay. Not many photos online so here’s the best I could find: The best carrier in the area is the Double Eagle of Rockland. A much better kept boat than its age and career would normally warrant. Still working for a living and usually immaculate: Sorry, isn’t this the ugly thread? My apologies for the drift! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 12,645 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Good illustration of hull speed. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elegua 1,851 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 1 hour ago, NaClH20 said: That would be the Irene Alton, an actual working boat and not yachtified. Found regularly banging around southwestern Penobscot Bay. Not many photos online so here’s the best I could find: Sorry, isn’t this the ugly thread? My apologies for the drift! That's great! I love how you recognize her from a crappy long distance shot. This is another photo - so I think you're right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NaClH20 188 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 8 hours ago, Elegua said: That's great! I love how you recognize her from a crappy long distance shot. This is another photo - so I think you're right. It’s the distinct sweep of the sheer just before the transom.... would recognize that anywhere, and was the first thing that popped in my head before I read “Mussel Ridge”. I’m up and down the Ridge a couple times a week year round so she’s a familiar face. Heres more (less?) of the Double Eagle doing what they do. Used to be a much more common sight... carriers worked mostly in the summer when the weather was nice and didn’t have far to go, so would regularly load decks awash. Ok, now I’m done thread drifting! ....alright, no I’m not. The first exposure to real boat handling was from the skipper of the Jacob Pike, another carrier in the area (and sister to the Pauline, which got turned into a motorized windjammer of sorts. Incidentally, anyone going through Lincolnville Beach can order a lobster roll from the Pauline’s original wheelhouse). They used to stay at the Rockland cannery, which is gone now. It was usually just one guy running the boat, which was 85’ if memory serves. He would just calmly amble in and put the boat in gear, then wander up to the bow and take in the line, then back to the wheelhouse for reverse, then a flick to get the spring in while he goes by.... was just a symphony of unhurried competence that struck me as remarkable, and such a contrast to a lot of guys who feel it necessary to have a lot of engine noise and propellor froth and yelling. Took a lot of years but I’d like to think that I can honor that old skipper now. now I’m done. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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