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On 12/9/2019 at 8:23 AM, Hukilau said:

Cute.  Not a term I like to associate with a sailboat, but cute.

Is the mizzen sheet stayed to the head of the rudder?  That's nuts.  One bad jibe, and that rudder is flying into the ocean.  Not to mention the nice holes in the transom where the gudgeons used to be. 

I had an Oday 23, and the main sheet was stayed to the backstay.  It allowed for end of boom sheeting and kept the cockpit clear, but I never liked all that potential shock load on the backstay.

It might be able to be used as a poor mans self steering set up. High winds create more weather helm, offset by increased mizzen sheet load dragging the rudder to leward. Of course off the wind it would all go to hell.

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I've been working on the S Boat painting from the photo I posted a few days ago, and I thought y'all might like to see how it's coming along. It's 12" X 24". I liked the composition of the photo,

Available as a sloop or yawl.

My old Schooner "Europe". The first yacht registered under the brand new European Union flag. Baptised  by Princess Grace Kelly of Monaco. We acquired the boat after she went around the world. Thank y

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1 hour ago, SloopJonB said:

WTF is that Bull?

 

1 hour ago, Steam Flyer said:

Looks like an ossuary... catacombs

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right click > search google for image.

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16 hours ago, steele said:

It might be able to be used as a poor mans self steering set up. High winds create more weather helm, offset by increased mizzen sheet load dragging the rudder to leward. Of course off the wind it would all go to hell.

It looks to me like it lands on the pivot axis of the rudder to minimize the effect on steering.

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4 hours ago, SemiSalt said:

It looks to me like it lands on the pivot axis of the rudder to minimize the effect on steering.

Crawford Melonseed (much smaller) sheets to the rudder/tiller right at the line/axis of the pintles/gudeons (sp?).  I never noticed any impact on helm feel/loading as a result  of trimming the main, upwind, down, or reaching...

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4 minutes ago, Crash said:

Crawford Melonseed (much smaller) sheets to the rudder/tiller right at the line/axis of the pintles/gudeons (sp?).  I never noticed any impact on helm feel/loading as a result  of trimming the main, upwind, down, or reaching...

I really envy you folks who grew up sailing all those iconic boats.

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Pulpit Harbor in Penobscot Bay is a museum afloat. The Lewis R French sailing through the rocks. 

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Few watching may know this timeless sight could as well be 150 years old as the French was built in 1871. 

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Still engineless in 2019, the schooner drops and sets anchor under sail. 

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Later that day, descendants of the Cabot family sell us fresh brownies.

Cabot kids (hopefully as delightful as these were),  have been rowing in Pulpit Harbor since the 1880s when the Cabot's of Boston area bought some hardscrabble coastline from head shaking natives(useless for farming), to become the first 'Rusticators' on the island. 

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The kids are new but the Whitehall rowing boat may have ferried their great, great (great?)  grandparents around Pulpit Harbor.

The Whitehall design is older than that originating in Europe way before the Lewis R French was built. 

This artifact now in the boat shed along the shores of Pulpit Harbor was designed in 1915 by B.B Crowninshield (and built shortly after). It will be launched once again in 2020. 

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Night in the museum. 

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30 minutes ago, Kris Cringle said:

Still engineless in 2019, the schooner drops and sets anchor under sail. 

Several years ago, Mrs. B and I cruised on the Mercantile. She was also engineless, but carried a y'all yawl boat, which had a beefy inboard diesel engine. On a few occasions, the yawl boat was lowered, made fast to the stern, and acted as an auxiliary engine. A crew member would scamper down if a throttle adjustment was needed.

Here is the Mercantile with the yawl boat in the stern davits.

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Ditto for the Stephen Taber.  If I remember it was the cook who was assigned to run the Yawl boat.  Reasoning was that they usually were not busy in the galley when the yawl boat was needed

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21 hours ago, py26129 said:

Ditto for the Stephen Taber.  If I remember it was the cook who was assigned to run the Yawl boat.  Reasoning was that they usually were not busy in the galley when the yawl boat was needed

Old school, perhaps to a fault at some point. The Grace Bailey (a near twin to the Merchantile) went up on the rocks a mile beyond this shot last season. 

 

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They were sailing her through the Fox Island Thoroughfare on a light wind. Note the mate (or cook?) in the yawl boat, just in case. This is the glory shot for the 'dudes', sailing through the Fox. 

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I've sailed this route numerous times, in light air. As you get to the dog leg up ahead, you'll need to tack - or - hold your port tack (prevailing Southerly winds) and cut through a natural channel through rocks. There is plenty of room however the current can easily push you out of the channel. Plus there is a potential to mistake one nav aid for one further up, and at high water, the rocks - exposed at all other times - don't give you a reference. 

 

The owner of this schooner fleet (3 boats) swears by the olde school. Paper charts only and no electronics. Ray, the owner, knows these waters by heart as do his captains. This captain was a new guy. 

 

Getting nervous yet? 

 

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Yup. She went up gently but had to wait out the tide change. Didn't breech the hull but the boat was hauled and most of the worm shoe replaced, I think.

 

Knowing this area, I suspect he wasn't where he thought he was (that never happens!!). 

 

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22 hours ago, Kris Cringle said:

The owner of this schooner fleet (3 boats) swears by the olde school. Paper charts only and no electronics. Ray, the owner, knows these waters by heart as do his captains. This captain was a new guy. 

The Mercantile had a plotter and, I think, radar. Very nice in foggy conditions.

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3 hours ago, Crash said:

Well, the Hudson River Sloops were originally built to move goods and people up and down the river and skinny boats can't carry as much stuff ;)

Boats for rivers usually have shallow draft as well.

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On 12/14/2019 at 4:02 AM, dacapo said:

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I'm still smitten by the Clearwater

I had the privilege of attending her launch in East Boothbay some 'number' of years ago....

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5 hours ago, Ishmael said:

Looks like getting to the head could be very exciting.

Like all good comedy, it's funny because it's true. I love the look of these pricey day sailors, but a 30 foot boat with an inboard, billed as having full berths, a shower and a cockpit table, had better have a usable head. Those 3 pretty young French girls in the ad are unlikely to crawl through the deck hatch to do their thing while somehow lying flat under the deck, although the gymnastics involved is strangely appealing. Even I would be a bit reluctant to water the fishes with no lifelines to hold on to while doing the deed.

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re: standing riggin'... Wiki sums it up....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_rigging

Meanwhile a few months back in Blighty....

Back in March I had the privilege of getting a walk-through of the build of the impressive Spirit 34m 111.

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What a work of art. A German owner investing in a world class build hatched out of historic Ipswich. The interior is a mass of fluid curves
that at key zones go infinite horizons.

Visionary in every sense of the word, a fantastic achievement for SPIRIT.

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10 hours ago, Black Sox said:

That there is some serious yacht porn. Thanks for that.

I had the good fortune to see one of the smaller models (mid 40's if memory serves) at the Newport Boat Show a few years ago.  Holy smokes, what a confection.  Not as sumptuous as the Friendships, and not as "Yankee" practical as the Morris'.   Very sharp lines, gorgeous woodwork above and below, and wholly impractical.   The smallest yacht it's size I've ever been on.  

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23 hours ago, Marinatrix447 said:

re: standing riggin'... Wiki sums it up....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_rigging

Meanwhile a few months back in Blighty....

Back in March I had the privilege of getting a walk-through of the build of the impressive Spirit 34m 111.

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What a work of art. A German owner investing in a world class build hatched out of historic Ipswich. The interior is a mass of fluid curves
that at key zones go infinite horizons.

Visionary in every sense of the word, a fantastic achievement for SPIRIT.

Is that the one with the interior that proves that money doesn't bring taste?

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I'm a fan of the Spirit Yachts. Pompous day sailers that seem to be enduring. This sales video sums up why classic yacht style endures and endures.

When the producers of the film Casino Royale asked Spirit for a yacht for their set, Spirit said "Sure, it'll cost you get in into the Grand Canal" The producers walked to get a freebie from another builder. The producers were back a couple weeks later, asking how much. 

Sure, there are plenty of all white plastic yachts available for free.  But how would Bond, a man that drives a 60's Aston Martin, ever sail a clorox bottle? They wrote the check. 

 

Wood is forever. 

 

 

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13 hours ago, Kris Cringle said:

I'm a fan of the Spirit Yachts. Pompous day sailers that seem to be enduring. This sales video sums up why classic yacht style endures and endures.

When the producers of the film Casino Royale asked Spirit for a yacht for their set, Spirit said "Sure, it'll cost you get in into the Grand Canal" The producers walked to get a freebie from another builder. The producers were back a couple weeks later, asking how much. 

Sure, there are plenty of all white plastic yachts available for free.  But how would Bond, a man that drives a 60's Aston Martin, ever sail a clorox bottle? They wrote the check. 

 

Wood is forever. 

 

 

I love how they show up in James Bond films.  I am a big fan of them.

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1 hour ago, SloopJonB said:

Connery WAS James Bond - if you've read the books you realize that he was born for the role - he looks & sounds exactly like the descriptions in the books.

I was more of a Roger Moore Bond person, but I think its just cause that was my era.   My wife of course finds Daniel Craig to be her dish.  lol.  

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12 hours ago, MauiPunter said:

I was more of a Roger Moore Bond person, but I think its just cause that was my era.   My wife of course finds Daniel Craig to be her dish.  lol.  

Moore was fun but he was a cartoon character.

I like him better as The Saint.

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3 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Moore was fun but he was a cartoon character.

I like him better as The Saint.

Live and Let Die was on the tube a while ago, and I came across it while flipping the channels.  The scene I saw was a big fight scene.  Bond (Roger Moore) was fighting a big guy, and I swear, I was laughing out loud.  It looked like a couple of seventh grade girls going at it.  Just embarrassingly lame.  I liked Moore too, but he was a let down from Connery.

I read somewhere that Moore was supposed to be Bond from the beginning, but that he couldn't get out of his Saint contract.

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1 hour ago, Bull City said:

How 'bout this one? I think James was an Agent-in-Training.

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Poor old Quarrel only had a few hours left at that point.

One of the rare cases where the black guy didn't die first.

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Speaking of sailboats used in films, a local boat (I posted about HERON in another thread) was used in the Johnny Depp film, The Rum Diary.

A comedy (sort of...) based on the book by Hunter Thompson. The producers probably choose the HERON on availability,  because she winters and works charter in the area of the Caribbean the film was shot.  

This wasn't a bad choice, I suppose. Set in the early 60's, this design would have been 3 or 4 decades old (the boat was built in 2000). It seemed a little stodgy (dated) to me as the characters were fast lane types.

 

I would have a picked a 50 - 60's CCA design (BOLERO available?),... Heres the HERON during shoot for the film: Do you think the boat fits the 60's dudes here?

 

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Sailors are harsh critics of sailing and boats in movies. But the owners of the Rockport HERON raved about how easy this was for them. They got a couple (few?) weeks off to vacation in the Caribbean and not have to run the boat 7 days a week with day charters. The boat was rarely off the docks or a mooring mostly used as a set ornament in the background. The film was so so. 

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8 hours ago, Kris Cringle said:

Heres the HERON during shoot for the film: Do you think the boat fits the 60's dudes here?

Well, I graduated from high school in 1966, so I think I qualify. The shoes (buckled spectators) on the guy on the starboard side of the cockpit scream wrong to my eye and recollection of the era. Upon further consideration, no one in the photo looks right for that period. The boat looks fine.

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BIRD in the Talented Mr. Ripley was a boat well cast. Good film. The on the water scenes felt authentic and the boat a perfect match.

I'm not so sure anybody knows what they're doing here but they are grinning like sailors. 

 

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I wouldn't let the base of the mast go too much longer. 

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3 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Personally, I'd wrap that sheet the correct way around the winch first.

It's "possible" but not likely of course, that it's one of those counter-rotating winches sometimes seen on race boats. 

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3 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Personally, I'd wrap that sheet the correct way around the winch first.

That image is flipped. Look at the wrist watches. Odds are slight that both guys would wear their watches on their left hands. In the second image the watch looks right. 

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10 minutes ago, Rasputin22 said:

That image is flipped. Look at the wrist watches. Odds are slight that both guys would wear their watches on their left hands. In the second image the watch looks right. 

Huh? Most right-handed people wear their watches on the left wrist. And...it's on the same wrist in the second pic.

The cleat by the winch in the first pic is set up to take the line coming from the winch wound the other way. I'm saying it's wrapped backwards.

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2 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

Huh? Most right-handed people wear their watches on the left wrist. And...it's on the same wrist in the second pic.

The cleat by the winch in the first pic is set up to take the line coming from the winch wound the other way. I'm saying it's wrapped backwards.

Good spot about the cleat for the winch, you have a good point there. 

    I don't really wear a watch but I had a Navy SEAL tell me he wears his big heavy Rolex on his right hand so that in a fist fight after he slugs a guy on the jaw with his right fist, he can snap that fist back and rip the jugular vein out with the winding stem!  I guess there is really no such thing as a fist fight with a SEAL, just anything to waste the other guy...

    Thinking about that makes me see that the stem would be hard to access if worn on the right hand.  

    Anyway, we do know now that one of the two images is flipped. I'm with you now on the winch being backwards, besides who would argue with a Demon Santa?

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36 minutes ago, Rasputin22 said:

Good spot about the cleat for the winch, you have a good point there. 

    I don't really wear a watch but I had a Navy SEAL tell me he wears his big heavy Rolex on his right hand so that in a fist fight after he slugs a guy on the jaw with his right fist, he can snap that fist back and rip the jugular vein out with the winding stem!  I guess there is really no such thing as a fist fight with a SEAL, just anything to waste the other guy...

    Thinking about that makes me see that the stem would be hard to access if worn on the right hand.  

    Anyway, we do know now that one of the two images is flipped. I'm with you now on the winch being backwards, besides who would argue with a Demon Santa?

I'm saying neither image is flipped. The watch is on the left wrist in both shots.

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2 hours ago, Rasputin22 said:

That image is flipped. Look at the wrist watches. Odds are slight that both guys would wear their watches on their left hands. In the second image the watch looks right. 

???

If it was their right wrists I'd agree but the vast majority of people wear their watch on their left wrist.

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On 12/24/2019 at 1:16 AM, Kris Cringle said:

BIRD in the Talented Mr. Ripley was a boat well cast. Good film. The on the water scenes felt authentic and the boat a perfect match.

I'm not so sure anybody knows what they're doing here but they are grinning like sailors. 

 

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I wouldn't let the base of the mast go too much longer. 

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Well, they're all blonds, so who knows what the fuck is going on.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all. See you in 2020.

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26 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

Well, they're all blonds, so who knows what the fuck is going on.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all. See you in 2020.

There ya go, picking on us poor blondes.  Y’all act like we don’t know notin.  Like we ain’t got no book learnin.  But, as Brenda Lea will tell you, “its an act”. Act dumb and get away with the most heinous and/or wonderful acts imaginable.  (Or worse)   

Blondes Rule!  Y’all just haven't realized it yet. 

Merry Christmas back at you and have a fine New Year.(and a safe one too)

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It is not flipped, there are many other pics showing Jude Law wearing a watch on the left.

He would have made a good Bond, but he blew it, of course, with this...

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Still, I couldn't find a valid information regarding what boat BIRD (movie name in Ripley) is. Anyone can solve that mystery? 

 

 

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9 hours ago, Matagi said:

It is not flipped, there are many other pics showing Jude Law wearing a watch on the left.

He would have made a good Bond, but he blew it, of course, with this...

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Still, I couldn't find a valid information regarding what boat BIRD (movie name in Ripley) is. Anyone can solve that mystery? 

 

 

From a brief Google:

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There is some uncertainty about the type of yacht used in the film The Talented Mr Ripley, with some convinced it’s a 40ft Hinckley, and others that it is a New York 32.

Personally I favour the idea of the Olin Stephens-designed New York 32 from 1936. Twenty of these beautiful yachts were built, and one of them, Sirius, following a long and meticulous restoration by the Cantiere Navale in Argentario, Italy in 2006, is currently for sale with a price tag of €400,000. See the Sandeman Yacht Company.

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3 hours ago, Ishmael said:

From a brief Google:

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Yeah, I read that. Whoever came up with the idea that it could be a Hinckley 40 has some serious problems.

A Sou'wester 34 maybe, that could fit.

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I read about the NY 32, too, but after some looking, I doubt it for three reasons: a) in the movie, there are some shots were you can get an idea of how wide the deck is between the cabin and the hull/deckjoint, a NY32 deck seems much to wide. b) the NY32 often, not always, features a very unique cabin entrance, which is placed asymetrically on starboard, ca. 2 feet in front of the cockpit. The boat in the movie has the entrance beyond a short bridgedeck, but directly from the cockpit and in the middle. c) "BIRD" has a cabindeck-stepped mast, the NY32 seems to have a keel-stepped mast, from the pictures I have seen (not sure if on all of them...). So my money currently is on the Sou'wester, or an as-of-yet unknown One-Off...

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Ha, got something. My Italian is not very good. Apparently built in '57? Undergoing some renovations in 2017, apparently. Here she is, the owner (?) giving an interview at the yard, showing the interior. Definitely the boat. Anybody with a better knowledge of Italian?

The Owner (the one being interviewed) is even mentioned in the credits. That's nice.

 

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16 hours ago, Matagi said:

Done. 

It's Santander of Wight. A Rhodes design.

A marvellous boat.

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I had this message from a friend in Scotland, marine writer and captain 3 years ago. May have been a previous owner(?): 

And I'll send an old article I wrote about the Rhodes yawl Santander of Wight which featured - owned by an anglophile Italian winemaker I knew when I spent a lot of time working in Tuscany. He had a constant supply of gorgeous young English girls as crew, and there was always plenty of rather nice wine paid for by an English supermarket chain that somehow never realised they didn't get al the'd paid for...l. He got a whole summer charter out of that film... and you'll know how exasperatingly few seconds she appears!

 

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Here's a Fife yacht, SINCERITY, put to work in a Johnny Walker ad. I wonder the effectiveness of these long ads. 

At any rate, big yachts are in constant need of $$$. Showbiz must be a good gig for the owners. 

SINCERITY was in our harbor for a couple seasons while the owner (his kids on deck) did some local development. It went from black topsides to white while here.

We are remote on the coast of Maine by the roads but we've always been on a super highway by the sea. 

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A friends grandfather built one of the original NYYC 32s. The same gentleman was a member of the syndicate that built Enterprise, the J boat. 

Another pal restored a NY 32, then gave it away. He's now restoring a big Alfred Mylne design, including building a new mainmast in his home. I'm in New England this week, I should see if he's around. 

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2 hours ago, Kris Cringle said:

Here's a Fife yacht, SINCERITY, put to work in a Johnny Walker ad. I wonder the effectiveness of these long ads. 

At any rate, big yachts are in constant need of $$$. Showbiz must be a good gig for the owners. 

SINCERITY was in our harbor for a couple seasons while the owner (his kids on deck) did some local development. It went from black topsides to white while here.

We are remote on the coast of Maine by the roads but we've always been on a super highway by the sea. 

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And just below the flag is an 18’ Squadron Yachts launch based on the Halsey Hereshoff America Catboat design. I had a beaten up America Cat and gutted it, removed the cabin and centerboard trunk and had a blast with that little boat at cocktail time. A true little sailor’s powerboat right there!

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Here’s a Harbor Pilot and my old, worn out America Cat that I re-purposed. Have to find some pics of Lola’s transformation to a launch. A great project that was destroyed during Superstorm Sandy and at my yard awaiting another restoration. This time with a diesel instead of the outboard in a cockpit well. 

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26 minutes ago, Sail4beer said:

Here’s a Harbor Pilot and my old, worn out America Cat that I re-purposed. Have to find some pics of Lola’s transformation to a launch. A great project that was destroyed during Superstorm Sandy and at my yard awaiting another restoration. This time with a diesel instead of the outboard in a cockpit well. 

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Interesting, I didn't know that. Always wondered why that Camden Yacht Club launch looked so unique. 

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And Lola this afternoon in the zombie section of my yard. The deck was torn off by accident by people trying to help me when my house was wrecked in Sandy. I wasn’t there and they hooked up the club lift to the bow and stern cleats and forgot to start the trash pump they had when they started raising it. Peeled the deck right off. 
 

I got the boat back down to the shop, stripped out the beautiful joinery I created, flipped and reinforced the interior of the hull with ‘glass and then all the repair work from the storm halted the project. I will get back on it when I’m done with several others that are cash positive. It’s a neat little hull design.

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