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Hats off to FKT and others like him who do it from scratch. An earned experience is always richer than a bought experience, and I would rather take my dinghy up a ditch than go to the Marquesas on a cruise liner. To go sailing on something you’ve conceived and built and yourself must be among the ultimate in earned experiences.  

And if it wasn’t for people like you there wouldn’t be as many interesting old boats for cack-handed fools like me. Thank you.

But there were many failures: I miss the time when every seaside garden seemed to have a rusting armature in the front yard, like a wireframe rendering. The failures we mock here will soon all return to the earth and maybe we will mourn the time when one had little alternative but to build. 

My brother in law built one of those ugly Roberts sort of boats in the 70s and sailed round the world in it. In fact he lived most of the second part of his life in it, and when he was old and frail and the boat was old and tired he seems to have gone to sea and opened the seacocks and gone down with her. No fuss, no searches, no suicide notes, just the unrecorded death of a sailor. 

 

 

 

 

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Well, I'm not sure I should admit this but that boat was built by my long time former neighbor, yep, B. Lewis.  As a fellow sometime mocker I am getting a kick out of all your comments but I will come

Ain't that the truth.  If he would have just humbly and simply said "i adopted and built on this method and built a few boats, lived simply and escaped the rat race all my life, it works for me"  he c

No, no, you've got it all wrong. My comment about only doing one circumnavigation was an example of what people call "false modesty". Or "Irony". Look it up sometime. You're just another grifter

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1 minute ago, Mr. Ed said:

But there were many failures: I miss the time when every seaside garden seemed to have a rusting armature in the front yard, like a wireframe rendering, and the failures we mock here will soon all return to the earth and maybe we will mourn the time when one had little alternative but to build.

God yes - I know of at least 5 hulls lying in yards and slowly returning their elements to the earth around here.

For every success there's likely 100 failures. Some hulls go through 4 or 5 owners before reaching salt water. I love all the ads saying 90% complete. Sure, in some fantasy-land. The systems took me a lot longer than welding & painting the hull.

Don't think I'm implying it's easy or fast because I'm not. There are enough successes to prove the nay-sayers wrong though, and I do think at times that a lot of people who run down the amateur builders do so because they know that they lack the skills and ability to do it themselves. It's easier to tear down others than acknowledge it.

Note that I was in no way arrogant and stupid enough to think I could *design* a boat; I know my limitations. I bought a custom variant of a design that had been drawn by the man who actually built the first hull in his own boat yard, 4 or 5 subsequent hulls of that design, and had a long history of steel boat design. I knew that it could be built as per the plans and I knew it would sail to my satisfaction if I did my part. I didn't want a racer or a cruiser-racer, I wanted a sailing vessel that was capable of poking around in shoal water and was easily handled by 2 people. I haven't a lot of time on her as yet but so far I'm very happy with the build.

I looked at the various Robert designs and had enough question marks to look harder, then elsewhere. Mike Kasten was another one I looked closely at. I'd happily build one of his boats in fact.

Had I wanted a timber boat, I'd have picked a different designer. I could easily build the big sister to Benford's BADGER for example, if I didn't detest working with epoxy.

I'd do it again.

FKT

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12 hours ago, dew said:

Lawn Ornament

https://easternshore.craigslist.org/boa/d/onancock-for-sale-as-is/6829865701.html

Sailboat - no title, no sails, on trailer 
YOU REMOVE

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Looks like you could burn it right there with minimal damage.  That grass would grow right back, nice yard. 

I admire how they made sure to show that even though there is no way this boat is leaving on this trailer, it does come with a boom (some assembly required)!

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16 hours ago, AnotherSailor said:

Good points! I accidentally ended up with a yearlong subscription. Once in a while they have a decent story, but overall it is a horrible pos of a magazine. The maintenance articles are the absolute worst. In order to avoid issue x make sure to seal y, without telling you how to do it. Make sure to lubricate z, without telling you 1) how to do it and 2) what lubrication should be used. The hidden message seems to be that you should hire someone. 

 

I kind of like Cruising World.  I agree that a lot of it is irrelevant to my sailing, and it does make me a bit crazy that 35 foot boats are “pocket cruisers “, but it does have enough positives to make it worthwhile for me.  I like some of the articles that describe places I’ll probably never go, and adventures I’ll never have.  And I really like Fatty Goodlander’s column.  I’ve found the chartering sections to be especially helpful in convincing the Admiral that a charter is a good idea.  I’ve also found that I like the yacht porn aspect of the reviews.  And the coup de grace is how cheap it is.  I think I paid less than $2 per issue.

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44 minutes ago, chester said:

to be fair, that looks like about the best equipped, best kept C&C 30 you are ever going to find! 

I agree, but who puts 44K into a 1972 boat and hopes to get 56K?

 

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3 hours ago, bmiller said:

https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van/boa/d/chilliwack-catalina-30/6830675627.html

Atomic 4 Yanmar Gas engine 1200h
Good maintenance and condition 
Bottom painting 2015
Furuno Fishfinder 1870 F

 

Added bonus of tiller and wheel!!

 

 

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Likes their electronics evidently but an Atomic 4 Yanmar Gas engine?:huh:

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2 hours ago, bmiller said:

I agree, but who puts 44K into a 1972 boat and hopes to get 56K?

 

In the vernacular of the day can you say: "Fishing expedition". And: "complete marine survey by a well known and respected local surveyor". Seriously? It must be the water on the Island. What would any professional use those numbers? For insurance numbers maybe but not even close to market.

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Started to post a local CL powerboat ad sporting a large Stars 'n Bars as a backdrop.

Closer inspection revealed a ratty-looking kennel also in the background (probably pitbulls)...all a little too close to home. Experience suggests that seller is armed to the teeth and probably has an attitude.

Still fighting the War Between the States here in the ENC!

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2 hours ago, Pipe Dream said:

https://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/top-hat-25-mk-ii-new-rigging-needed-dry-nice-fit-out-cheap-fix-up/229822

 

"very nice yacht till mast fell down on mooring very dry fit out nice below decks

cheap a weekend or too work would have her sailing 

ps she will get a tidy up soon if not sold"

 

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Looks like they lost the rig when they were rolled 360

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1 hour ago, AnotherSailor said:

Thank god, a new page. My fingers were getting tired from scrolling so many posts.

There is a "view new posts" feature. If you click on the dot to the left of the post title, it takes you to the first post you haven't read. Usually. Sometimes. Now that you have posted in this thread, you will have a star instead of the dot.

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18 hours ago, bmiller said:
19 hours ago, chester said:

to be fair, that looks like about the best equipped, best kept C&C 30 you are ever going to find! 

I agree, but who puts 44K into a 1972 boat and hopes to get 56K?

Someone who is about to learn the "dime on the dollar" rule the hard way.

9 hours ago, See Level said:

Looks like they lost the rig when they were rolled 360

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I shudder to think what's behind door number one.

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3 hours ago, Importunate Tom said:

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I shudder to think what's behind door number one.

 

It's temptibng to say that there's enough "number two" in front of the door, that one would not have any need to look behind it.

FB- Doug

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3 hours ago, Importunate Tom said:

Someone who is about to learn the "dime on the dollar" rule the hard way.

I shudder to think what's behind door number one.

Randumb and LB.

 

Don't open it.

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11 hours ago, Ishmael said:

There is a "view new posts" feature. If you click on the dot to the left of the post title, it takes you to the first post you haven't read. Usually. Sometimes. Now that you have posted in this thread, you will have a star instead of the dot.

Wow, amazing! Now, soon enough someone will tell me there is also a front page .... nah no more blowing of the status quo anyway...

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On 3/5/2019 at 6:14 AM, bmiller said:

https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van/boa/d/chilliwack-catalina-30/6830675627.html

Atomic 4 Yanmar Gas engine 1200h
Good maintenance and condition 
Bottom painting 2015
Furuno Fishfinder 1870 F

 

Added bonus of tiller and wheel!!

 

 

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So ... you want to post a picture in your ad showing the sails. Why wouldn't you spend the extra 20 seconds to haul the main up that last couple feet and unfurl the headsail that last rotation?

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1 hour ago, wristwister said:

So ... you want to post a picture in your ad showing the sails. Why wouldn't you spend the extra 20 seconds to haul the main up that last couple feet and unfurl the headsail that last rotation?

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I think he wanted a powerboat anyway.

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1 hour ago, wristwister said:

So ... you want to post a picture in your ad showing the sails. Why wouldn't you spend the extra 20 seconds to haul the main up that last couple feet and unfurl the headsail that last rotation?

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They are trimmed, only in Rimas trim.

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13 hours ago, wristwister said:

So ... you want to post a picture in your ad showing the sails. Why wouldn't you spend the extra 20 seconds to haul the main up that last couple feet and unfurl the headsail that last rotation?

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It's a weird ad. Lots of pictures of the electronics and they're not that impressive.

WTF is going on with that hose?

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51 minutes ago, Norse Horse said:

How shallow is it in Texas?

 

It can get pretty shallow here. The majority of the lakes here are man made. 

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28 minutes ago, woahboy said:
1 hour ago, Norse Horse said:

How shallow is it in Texas?

 

It can get pretty shallow here. The majority of the lakes here are man made. 

Indeed.

Can men, with their superficial vanities, ever make a truly deep lake?

-DSK

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6 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Indeed.

Can men, with their superficial vanities, ever make a truly deep lake?

-DSK

I grew up on the Great Lakes and moving to Texas was quite a shock in regards to the lakes here. Shortly after I arrived I had someone tell me to go to "blah-blah" lake because it's a really big one. I drove out to the lake and was very disappointed. But don't get me wrong. There are some very nice lakes here in north Texas with very active sailors. 

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https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/boa/d/solomons-buccaneer-24-sailboat-by/6835655446.html. A buck for a buccaneer  with scanned photos of the ad when he bought the boat five years ago...

 

The photos are from the ad when I purchased the boat.

Everything worked when I parked it about five years ago, except:
• The bilge pump hose was defective. There is a new hose on board
• The mast flood lights were burned out. I installed new lights
• The old radio
• The windows leaked. They still need to be resealed
• The sink faucet

Since then 
• I began removing the carpet from the walls to replace them with a foam liner I purchased or maybe just to 
epoxy paint the interior, none of which is done
• I put a new carpet on the floor
• A stainless cable supporting the boom broke
• The marina that stepped the mast did not fasten it properly and came loose and the mast fell and damage the 
bow rail 
• Someone switched our good prop with an old prop. 
• Tiller handle needs replacement

I love my boat but just have not had time to remodel it.
All sails were and still should be in OK shape. 
The outboard is electric start and I only tried one to start if and it did not start. It did start at time of purchase. 
Draft is 30” and the keel is stationary
Needs minimal work to sail it away
Solomon’s Island is a great place for a sailboat 
The boat must be be relocated from this dock
I listed it as in fair condition. It is much better than salvage condition which is the listing craigslist has below fair.

 

 

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The photos are from the ad when I purchased the boat.

Everything worked when I parked it about five years ago, except:
• The bilge pump hose was defective. There is a new hose on board
• The mast flood lights were burned out. I installed new lights
• The old radio
• The windows leaked. They still need to be resealed
• The sink faucet

Since then 
• I began removing the carpet from the walls to replace them with a foam liner I purchased or maybe just to 
epoxy paint the interior, none of which is done
• I put a new carpet on the floor
• A stainless cable supporting the boom broke
• The marina that stepped the mast did not fasten it properly and came loose and the mast fell and damage the 
bow rail 
• Someone switched our good prop with an old prop. 
• Tiller handle needs replacement

I love my boat but just have not had time to remodel it.
All sails were and still should be in OK shape. 
The outboard is electric start and I only tried one to start if and it did not start. It did start at time of purchase. 
Draft is 30” and the keel is stationary
Needs minimal work to sail it away
Solomon’s Island is a great place for a sailboat 
The boat must be be relocated from this dock
I listed it as in fair condition. It is much better than salvage condition which is the listing craigslist has below fair.

 

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2 hours ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

The amas.   The boat itself is a decent little thing for what it is. 

That's what I was getting at. 

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On 3/5/2019 at 9:14 AM, bmiller said:

https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van/boa/d/chilliwack-catalina-30/6830675627.html

Atomic 4 Yanmar Gas engine 1200h
Good maintenance and condition 
Bottom painting 2015
Furuno Fishfinder 1870 F

 

Added bonus of tiller and wheel!!

 

 

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Funny that he doesn't mention the skipper's cap and kleenex box. Maybe they don't come with the boat.

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It's been a while since I found something to mock, locally.....

So here goes "17ft tonner"

https://onslow.craigslist.org/boa/d/albemarle-17ft-tonner/6832177758.html

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It's on a galvanized trailer, but the trailer bunks look mangled somehow. The boat itself looks ALMOST as bad as one of those two-story Buccaneers.

FB- Doug

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57 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

It's been a while since I found something to mock, locally.....

So here goes "17ft tonner"

https://onslow.craigslist.org/boa/d/albemarle-17ft-tonner/6832177758.html

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It's on a galvanized trailer, but the trailer bunks look mangled somehow. The boat itself looks ALMOST as bad as one of those two-story Buccaneers.

FB- Doug

Maybe it’s just the angle of the dangle. But I’ve never seen at 17’ center cockpit.   Because that’s what it looks like.  

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1 hour ago, Steam Flyer said:

It's been a while since I found something to mock, locally.....

So here goes "17ft tonner"

https://onslow.craigslist.org/boa/d/albemarle-17ft-tonner/6832177758.html

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It's on a galvanized trailer, but the trailer bunks look mangled somehow. The boat itself looks ALMOST as bad as one of those two-story Buccaneers.

FB- Doug

Well that is certainly an ugly stern.

I can't say I've ever seen a 17ft centre cockpit before, some admiration there...

If this the builder they wisely focused on powerboats.http://www.albemarleboats.com/

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14 hours ago, Israel Hands said:

I think this boat is actually 2 of those boats mashed together

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Sorry, I though I was developing horizontal double fusion (was attempting to write vision, but fusion worked.)

I'm all better now.

- Stumbling

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On 3/5/2019 at 5:14 PM, bmiller said:

https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van/boa/d/chilliwack-catalina-30/6830675627.html

Atomic 4 Yanmar Gas engine 1200h
Good maintenance and condition 
Bottom painting 2015
Furuno Fishfinder 1870 F

 

Added bonus of tiller and wheel!!

 

 

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Thats a setup for co-ownership.   Just disconnect one and don't tell the other!!

- Stumbling

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https://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/boa/d/olympia-36-fiberglass-yawl/6835428457.html

Can’t people at least make a small effort to clean their boats before posting photos in an ad?

Does have a good pedigree, though.

This could go in the Junk in the Trunk thread, too.

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The storage locker exploded and a hard shell dink was blown out...what's that cedar stump for? Careful, it will start growing again...:lol:

Sundolpin, they missed the bullet by not naming it...https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Pink Dolphin

https://vancouver.craigslist.org/bnc/boa/d/burnaby-sundolphin/6836129657.html

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54 minutes ago, woahboy said:

https://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/boa/d/olympia-36-fiberglass-yawl/6835428457.html

Can’t people at least make a small effort to clean their boats before posting photos in an ad?

Does have a good pedigree, though.

This could go in the Junk in the Trunk thread, too.

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Why would anyone put all that time and money into a boat, then abandon it for a decade? The Awlgrip job alone would cost more than most of the boats on CL. The add states they live a few hours away, yet have not started the engine since 2009? 

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1 hour ago, steele said:

Why would anyone put all that time and money into a boat, then abandon it for a decade? The Awlgrip job alone would cost more than most of the boats on CL. The add states they live a few hours away, yet have not started the engine since 2009? 

Life changed and they abandoned it on the mooring.

Most of what they did will need re-doing. The keel remount should be OK.

Diesel (Perkins?) sitting on a mooring for a decade without being started?

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1 hour ago, steele said:

Why would anyone put all that time and money into a boat, then abandon it for a decade? The Awlgrip job alone would cost more than most of the boats on CL. The add states they live a few hours away, yet have not started the engine since 2009? 

They live a few hours away.   Job, family, health.   They needed a trailer sailor.

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36 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Life changed and they abandoned it on the mooring.

Most of what they did will need re-doing. The keel remount should be OK.

Diesel (Perkins?) sitting on a mooring for a decade without being started?

Y’all certainly have a better selection of boats up there than we do down here in Bush country.

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On 3/8/2019 at 9:23 AM, A guy in the Chesapeake said:
On 3/7/2019 at 1:40 PM, woahboy said:

The amas.   The boat itself is a decent little thing for what it is. 

Hah! I know the builder who put those amas on it for the Texas 200. He's a very accomplished sailor and builder. Don't worry, I won't tell him about this submission.

I brought him in as a ringer to helm my boat in the 2011 Sun Cat Nationals. Good times. He would have done better without me as crew.

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BTW, the short answer to "why?" is because the TX 200 is sailed with 20 knots of wind on the beam.

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Tom,  thank you for clearing that up. So, no more mocking on that boat.

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7 minutes ago, bmiller said:

Nice boat, but not 55K nice. Most of these are listed in the teens.

https://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/78191

 

Wait whut?  I have a survey that clearly states that the replacement value is 125k?  Fan me out the cash B.

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On 3/11/2019 at 2:54 AM, Importunate Tom said:

Hah! I know the builder who put those amas on it for the Texas 200. He's a very accomplished sailor and builder. Don't worry, I won't tell him about this submission.

I brought him in as a ringer to helm my boat in the 2011 Sun Cat Nationals. Good times. He would have done better without me as crew.

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BTW, the short answer to "why?" is because the TX 200 is sailed with 20 knots of wind on the beam.

Also occasional stepping out of the boat to haul it over an uncharted bar of dredging spoil, etc. It sounds like a punishing race.

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On 2/12/2019 at 8:37 AM, Zonker said:

https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van/boa/d/vancouver-sailing-partners-wanted-be/6810210374.html

Sailing Partners Wanted - Be Part of the Adventure - $20000

Sailing Partners Wanted - Be Part of the Adventure

This is an opportunity for people who are looking to live life to the fullest and to challenge themselves.
I have a beautiful classical wooden sailing ship - a 23 meter traditional Danish ketch. "Labora" is set up for extensive expedition style sailing to rugged and remote areas of the world, like the Arctic and Tropics. The outfitting is 90% complete.
Come in as an executive with equity share of $20,000 to 50,000 and you will live the excitement of the creation of this project: developing the boat and her expeditions, along with the concept of the sailing club.
The business is built around Liberty International Sailing Club. The boat will be supported by like minded club members joining for seamanship training and extended cruising. 

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On 2/12/2019 at 8:37 AM, Zonker said:

https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van/boa/d/vancouver-sailing-partners-wanted-be/6810210374.html

Sailing Partners Wanted - Be Part of the Adventure - $20000

Sailing Partners Wanted - Be Part of the Adventure

This is an opportunity for people who are looking to live life to the fullest and to challenge themselves.
I have a beautiful classical wooden sailing ship - a 23 meter traditional Danish ketch. "Labora" is set up for extensive expedition style sailing to rugged and remote areas of the world, like the Arctic and Tropics. The outfitting is 90% complete.
Come in as an executive with equity share of $20,000 to 50,000 and you will live the excitement of the creation of this project: developing the boat and her expeditions, along with the concept of the sailing club.
The business is built around Liberty International Sailing Club. The boat will be supported by like minded club members joining for seamanship training and extended cruising. 

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Zonker Typical armchair sailor, this guy is doing it he's out there putting together money buying a big wooden classical boat and sailing to distant shores with people from around the world and raising money. https://www.facebook.com/groups/LibertySailing/

 

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Now here is a man with a plan. And an SSDI check.

https://nh.craigslist.org/boa/d/portsmouth-wanted-owner-financed/6832146518.html

WANTED - Owner Financed Sailboat - $3000

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length overall (LOA): 30 
propulsion type: sail 

I’m looking for a decent blue water cruiser to liveaboard/circumnavigate single-handed. I can make payments of no more than $200/mo, with no more than $1k down. I’m on SSDI, so payments are essentially guaranteed. The price listed is the maximum I expect to be able to finance in this manner, and the LOA is an approximate need.

I would be learning how to sail and making sure I am fully prepared to cross the Atlantic and beyond before leaving, which will most likely take more than a year.

I will also be documenting everything on my YouTube channel, youtube.com/humanerrer, so you will get to see your boat and all of its adventures!

If you have a boat which is not in complete disrepair and want to see it go to good use, I would very much appreciate the opportunity! Thanks for looking either way.

I’m currently in Oregon, so it will take me a few weeks to get to the East Coast.
  • do NOT contact me with unsolicited services or offers

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21 minutes ago, takudave said:

 

Zonker Typical armchair sailor, this guy is doing it he's out there putting together money buying a big wooden classical boat and sailing to distant shores with people from around the world and raising money. https://www.facebook.com/groups/LibertySailing/

 

 

Did you just call "Zonker a typical armchair sailor"?

How about we call you a typical newbie fuckwit?

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35 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

Did you just call "Zonker a typical armchair sailor"?

How about we call you a typical newbie fuckwit?

 

10 minutes ago, Mr. Ed said:

And don't bother showing us your chest

 

"Let's eat Grandpa."

Commas matter.

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