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We have the Ugly Boat Admiration society and the Cool Dodger thread. Finding the pic below finally pushed me over the edge.

 

The boat's not ugly and the dodger is definitely not cool so lets criticise and ridicule to our heart's content.

 

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What a great idea. String some lights on her and you will have the Perfect Christmas Tree Boat.  

I go with cool.  Tartan Ten  is always a fairly cool boat.     Tartan Ten with hard dodger gets conceptually similar in crew facilities to the Class40 and other contemporary short-handed offshore boat

Sorry but to me it looks like a cool boat meant to be actually sailed short handed. I can imagine myself sipping tea inside that dog house while the boat soldiers across the Celtic sea in crossed seas

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I don't know the brand, but there's a whole bunch of this style of hard dodger up in the Vancouver, BC area. On a Catalina 42, which is otherwise a somewhat graceful boat, this thing sticks up like a tumor. Function? Sure. Form? Fuck it.

 

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Here's another Canadian abomination of the softer variety:

 

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I don't know the brand, but there's a whole bunch of this style of hard dodger up in the Vancouver, BC area. On a Catalina 42, which is otherwise a somewhat graceful boat, this thing sticks up like a tumor. Function? Sure. Form? Fuck it.

 

 

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Do these people think we are blind? Some of the billboards on boats are just unbelievable.

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That's why they're called oxygen tents. The owners ages usually contribute a bit to that moniker as well.

 

From a distance, that dodger mercifully almost disappears. However, I was actually talking about the name on the side. It would have to go some to match the total lack of taste on the Scott's Hanse 411, though.

 

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We saw this come motoring into Blakely Harbor when we were visiting Kim. IMG_9431.JPG

 

And the other end.

 

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I didn't hate it. You be the judge, either of the boat or my own sense of aesthetics.

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At what point does a dodger become a pilot house? I think this is close.

 

We saw this come motoring into Blakely Harbor when we were visiting Kim. IMG_9431.JPG

And the other end.

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I didn't hate it. You be the judge, either of the boat or my own sense of aesthetics.

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At what point does a dodger become a pilot house? I think this is close.

 

We saw this come motoring into Blakely Harbor when we were visiting Kim. IMG_9431.JPG

 

And the other end.

 

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I didn't hate it. You be the judge, either of the boat or my own sense of aesthetics.

Probably taken from a Maple Leaf 42 I'll wager. With the windshield and the 42 hardtop is very similar. Good liveaboard with that set up. Friends had one at Westview marina on the south side. Too much windage for me.

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Now, imagine that same concept on a boat 10-feet shorter... I snapped this one while on a dock-walk as a warning to myself. This is what a standing-height dodger looks like on an Ericson 27.

 

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The poor boat looks like someone glued on a handle to make haulout easier.

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At what point does a dodger become a pilot house? I think this is close.

 

We saw this come motoring into Blakely Harbor when we were visiting Kim. IMG_9431.JPG

 

And the other end.

 

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I didn't hate it. You be the judge, either of the boat or my own sense of aesthetics.

 

When it has an aft bulkhead and a door.

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Wow, this thread really fizzled after an extremely strong start.

 

The O'Day 37 with the battleship house is pretty funny and that Ericson 27 is completely over the (hard) top.

 

The Catalina 42 enclosure is nice. The full enclosure on the smaller Catalina actually includes a decent dodger, it just goes too far.

 

That dodger on Legacy is not the best looking one I have ever seen, but really doesn't belong in the same thread with the Ericson abomination.

 

A pop-top enclosure on a MacGregor is not really a dodger.

 

The world can't really be this short on ugly dodgers???

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Here is a better pic. I goofed while posting the previous pic. It seems that the brokerages in Toronto are fertile ugly dodger ground.

 

 

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...It seems that the brokerages in Toronto are fertile ugly dodger ground.

 

It's not just Toronto. I just did an advanced search in Yachtworld: all used Canadian sailboats with the keyword "dodger".

 

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/cache/searchResults.jsp?cit=true&slim=quick&ybw=&sm=3&searchtype=advancedsearch&Ntk=boatsEN&Ntt=dodger&is=false&type=%28Sail%29&man=&hmid=0&ftid=0&enid=0&fromLength=&toLength=&luom=126&fromYear=&toYear=&fromPrice=&toPrice=&currencyid=100&city=&cint=101&pbsint=&boatsAddedSelected=-1

 

I got 110 hits and a cursory examination is all it takes to validate and expand your hypothesis. Thread over, drop the mic.

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The guy who put the house on the Ericson should be punched in his babymakers. He fucked up a nice boat.

 

Naw, it just needs a horizontal stripe.

Like the one the same clown original thinker painted on the cabin trunk.

 

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Well, to be fair, I saw that in the west basin at astoria. If that guy actually crosses the Columbia Bar every time he goes out, one might forgive a certain amount of function over form.

If, um... that's what it is.

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How about the center cockpit dodger/enclosure on this Hardin 45?

 

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I didn't think she was ugly. We wanted to buy her.

I'm not a fan of the Hardins but as a liveaboard, I could see how she'd be a good candidate. I think you ended up with a much better alternative from both the aesthetic and functional points of view.

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How about the center cockpit dodger/enclosure on this Hardin 45?

 

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I didn't think she was ugly. We wanted to buy her.

I'm not a fan of the Hardins but as a liveaboard, I could see how she'd be a good candidate. I think you ended up with a much better alternative from both the aesthetic and functional points of view.

 

Black, you totally got the better boat. Come on man, that thing has so much sheer, that it looks hogged!

There is such a thing as "too much of a good thing".

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Dumb Question, how do you sail with the enclusure on the Hardin? Unless the main is cut funny, it looke likt the first tack / gype would sweep it right off the boat.

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Look closely at the Hardin.

Look at the mainmast.

Look at the cap shproud and where it hits the chainplate.

Now look at the portlight directly below the chainplate.

Interesting.

 

I went to this yard in Taiwan. It was owned at that time by T.C.Huang a wealthy Taipei attorney. He wanted his so and daughter to run the yard. Son and daughter wanted nothing to do with the yard.

I became friends with the family. It got kind of bizarre in time. I'll save those stories for later. They are all noted in detail in my journals. Unfortnately I haven't seen my journals in over 4 years. I hid them and now I can't find them.

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...It seems that the brokerages in Toronto are fertile ugly dodger ground.

 

It's not just Toronto. I just did an advanced search in Yachtworld: all used Canadian sailboats with the keyword "dodger".

 

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/cache/searchResults.jsp?cit=true&slim=quick&ybw=&sm=3&searchtype=advancedsearch&Ntk=boatsEN&Ntt=dodger&is=false&type=%28Sail%29&man=&hmid=0&ftid=0&enid=0&fromLength=&toLength=&luom=126&fromYear=&toYear=&fromPrice=&toPrice=&currencyid=100&city=&cint=101&pbsint=&boatsAddedSelected=-1

 

I got 110 hits and a cursory examination is all it takes to validate and expand your hypothesis. Thread over, drop the mic.

*looks down at the mic and snickers* Best get to steppin' Papa Doc, because when I search just the US West Coast, I get 159, including this: http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1976/Clipper-Marine-30-2499951/Portland/OR/United-States#.UquHcNLulaY4017816_20130309111403625_1_XLARGE.jpg&w

So damn ugly they printed it backward, hoping it looked better.

 

Peace out.

*kicks the mic into the roaring crowd*

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...It seems that the brokerages in Toronto are fertile ugly dodger ground.

 

It's not just Toronto. I just did an advanced search in Yachtworld: all used Canadian sailboats with the keyword "dodger".

 

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/cache/searchResults.jsp?cit=true&slim=quick&ybw=&sm=3&searchtype=advancedsearch&Ntk=boatsEN&Ntt=dodger&is=false&type=%28Sail%29&man=&hmid=0&ftid=0&enid=0&fromLength=&toLength=&luom=126&fromYear=&toYear=&fromPrice=&toPrice=&currencyid=100&city=&cint=101&pbsint=&boatsAddedSelected=-1

 

I got 110 hits and a cursory examination is all it takes to validate and expand your hypothesis. Thread over, drop the mic.

*looks down at the mic and snickers* Best get to steppin' Papa Doc, because when I search just the US West Coast, I get 159, including this: http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1976/Clipper-Marine-30-2499951/Portland/OR/United-States#.UquHcNLulaY4017816_20130309111403625_1_XLARGE.jpg&w

So damn ugly they printed it backward, hoping it looked better.

 

Peace out.

*kicks the mic into the roaring crowd*

You kidding me? The dodger's the only thing keeping that transom in check!

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...It seems that the brokerages in Toronto are fertile ugly dodger ground.

 

It's not just Toronto. I just did an advanced search in Yachtworld: all used Canadian sailboats with the keyword "dodger".

 

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/cache/searchResults.jsp?cit=true&slim=quick&ybw=&sm=3&searchtype=advancedsearch&Ntk=boatsEN&Ntt=dodger&is=false&type=%28Sail%29&man=&hmid=0&ftid=0&enid=0&fromLength=&toLength=&luom=126&fromYear=&toYear=&fromPrice=&toPrice=&currencyid=100&city=&cint=101&pbsint=&boatsAddedSelected=-1

 

I got 110 hits and a cursory examination is all it takes to validate and expand your hypothesis. Thread over, drop the mic.

*looks down at the mic and snickers* Best get to steppin' Papa Doc, because when I search just the US West Coast, I get 159, including this: http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1976/Clipper-Marine-30-2499951/Portland/OR/United-States#.UquHcNLulaY4017816_20130309111403625_1_XLARGE.jpg&w

So damn ugly they printed it backward, hoping it looked better.

 

Peace out.

*kicks the mic into the roaring crowd*

You kidding me? The dodger's the only thing keeping that transom in check!

 

Hard to believe that Crealock designed that boat isn't it? Oh well, even Garden had his off days.

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There is one of those on my dock, the guy lives on it with the biggest german shepard I have ever seen. It is covered with stuff and goes out a lot, during crabbing season I have seen up to 12 pots stacked on deck.

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This I don't get:

 

Take 1 beautiful Cherubini 44

 

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Add 1 of these:

 

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and end up with this.

 

 

 

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That's like having cosmetic surgery to add a wart on a beautiful woman's face!

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I would never own that boat but overall I don't find it all that ugly and the dodger doesn't seem out of place. Now, about those sails.....

 

Define "all that ugly."

Doesn't sound good to me.

 

Personally, I think the sails are one of the best points about this boat.

 

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This one may not fall into the Appallingly Ugly category, but...

 

C'mon, slapping a sawed-off center console aluminum T-top onto a Bristol Channel Cutter - that's just plain WRONG...

 

 

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Amazing that the boat still looks beautiful.

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Why am I suddenly hungry for cake?

 

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That dodger isn't too bad. Now the boat itself, that's ugly.

 

If I'm not mistaken, that's Phil Rhodes you're insulting.

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I would never own that boat but overall I don't find it all that ugly and the dodger doesn't seem out of place. Now, about those sails.....

 

Define "all that ugly."

Doesn't sound good to me.

 

Personally, I think the sails are one of the best points about this boat.

 

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I believe the interior is the best point of those things. Simply a rehash of the old Columbia 45.

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Why am I suddenly hungry for cake?

 

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That dodger isn't too bad. Now the boat itself, that's ugly.

 

If I'm not mistaken, that's Phil Rhodes you're insulting.

 

That is correct. They are apparently very nice people and they love their boat and yes, it's not the prettiest girl at the ball. I think I posted this a long time ago in the uglyboat thread and had some vituperation sent my way...

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Nothing against the boat or skipper, but man I have always found this really ugly:

 

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Practical tho..

I think with a little finesse though it could be a lot nicer. Pretty functional. What's the boat?

 

 

I believe that's the green Moore 24 Ronnie Simpson sailed in the last Singlehanded Transpac. And yes, the dodger-box was rather agricultural.

 

As for the Truncated T-top on the Bristol Channel cutter, it may be out-of-context but in the tropics that lid would seem brilliant.

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I would never own that boat but overall I don't find it all that ugly and the dodger doesn't seem out of place. Now, about those sails.....

 

Define "all that ugly."

Doesn't sound good to me.

 

Personally, I think the sails are one of the best points about this boat.

 

FB- Doug

 

I believe the interior is the best point of those things. Simply a rehash of the old Columbia 45.

 

You're right. From inside, you can't see any of the outside of it and you can turn up the stereo to drown out the cries of derision from onlookers.

 

FB- Doug

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I'd be grumpy too, if my boat looked like that.

he did it him self. he was told not to, was told it would look like shit. then when he insisted, was offered good advice from people who know. did not want any part of it.

this photo just shows the shit design, build quality is along the same lines. he totally fucked it.

when i say he was a bit of a dick, i may be understating things.

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Here is a better pic. I goofed while posting the previous pic. It seems that the brokerages in Toronto are fertile ugly dodger ground.

 

 

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hey, that boat was in my club. ugly as fuck and the owner is a bit of a dick.

I find it hard to believe that a dick would put such a jaunty hat on his boat.

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The dodger itself is not ugly or really remarkable in any way.

 

I don't think we have a thread for that boat.

 

I'm not sure one is needed, though I would like to see video of the boat running in steep seas.

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I love the SCAMP and like this upgrade.

 

But it's kinda ugly.

 

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The "portholes / windows" in the canvas remind me of one of these.

 

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I love the SCAMP and like this upgrade.

 

But it's kinda ugly.

 

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The "portholes / windows" in the canvas remind me of one of these.

 

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Looks to me like a stoned ghost humping an Optimist pram.

 

Unfortunately not even Google Images can help me provide another image of that

 

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This I don't get:

 

Take 1 beautiful Cherubini 44

 

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Add 1 of these:

 

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and end up with this.

 

 

 

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That's like having cosmetic surgery to add a wart on a beautiful woman's face!

 

 

if it wasn't such a beautiful boat to begin with I might not have an issue with it, god those cherubini 44's are pretty.

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That one is just badly done. There have been lots of hard dodgers much like it (but better designed) on that type of boat and they can look very good. Check out Phil Rhodes if you don't believe me.

 

The Cherub's are gorgeous - If I had a spare $750K lying around I'd have mine as a stays'l schooner.

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I like that pram. All the features work well together to my eye.

 

And,,,the next time someone says a Rhodes design is ugly I'm going to have to do some serious ass whoopin. I'll tell you what to like! You have to put that design into a time context and look at what it was supposed to accomplish. Or you can ignore that but that would be like saying " I don't like symphony orchestras, all those violins wreck it."

 

I find the Rhodes MS a handsome example of a type that Rhodes drew several variations on.

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And,,,the next time someone says a Rhodes design is ugly I'm going to have to do some serious ass whoopin. I'll tell you what to like! You have to put that design into a time context and look at what it was supposed to accomplish. Or you can ignore that but that would be like saying " I don't like symphony orchestras, all those violins wreck it."

 

I find the Rhodes MS a handsome example of a type that Rhodes drew several variations on.

 

Right behind you on that Bob. Rhodes died right about the time I got interested in boats but I've got Henderson's book on his work. I've read it several times and I've never found an ugly, or even "iffy" line in it.

 

To my mind he was THE master of sheerlines - even better than Stephens. It would be interesting to see how those two would handle modern, slight sheers instead of the swoopy, voluptuous ones they did in those days.

 

Probably really well - when you're good, you're good.

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Jon:

I'm with you on Rhodes.

If pressed I very well might say that CARINA was my favorite boat of all time. When I was 15 years old I saw a copy of POPULAR BOATING and on the cover was a photo of the Chespeake 32. It was like I was struck by lightening. I knew that this was what I wanted to do.

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That greenhouse is pretty ugly but it would be great around here in the winter. Maybe some quick disconnect fittings so you could take it off in the spring?

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Kinda ugly, really badass tho...

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Anyone know anything about the boat?

 

That looks like the boat a couple of friends of mine did Cape Horn on, Spirit of Sydney, a 60ft sloop in 2005. It was built as a single handed round the world racer.

 

A photo of my friend at the wheel:

 

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Spirit of Sydney was designed by Ben Lexcen and launched by the then Prime Minister of Australia, Bob Hawke in the euphoric era following Australia’s history breaking win of the America’s Cup with the Ben Lexcen designed Australia 2 and its famous winged keel. Ian Kiernan sailed Spirit solo around the world in the 1986 BOC Challenge and to his credit achieved 4th place against much lighter high tech yachts, probably aided by the fact that his “landrover of the sea” suffered no structural failures and is a well balanced ‘sweet’ yacht that handles well under auto pilot.

 

Spirit was designed and built in an era wh