TANGO QUEBEC 83 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Boat due in the Shipyard Thursday or Friday now, considering it's blowing wet dogs off chains here, I can't say I'm surprised. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
robalex117 157 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Curious both Comanche and Rambler have Southern Spars mast even though Hall is right there. Why? Are Souther Spars just better or is it Hall can't make them that big? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJohnB 360 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Sorry guys it looks a beast in the shed but the photos i got are vetoed.[sp?] Quote Link to post Share on other sites
soundsailor 0 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Curious both Comanche and Rambler have Southern Spars mast even though Hall is right there. Why? Are Souther Spars just better or is it Hall can't make them that big? North owns Southern Spars so there's more development between them as partners. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bruno 137 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Blows my mind they clearcoated anything, even the undersides. But neat work, if you got it spendit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TPG 229 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Curious both Comanche and Rambler have Southern Spars mast even though Hall is right there. Why? Are Souther Spars just better or is it Hall can't make them that big? Price, North affiliation, lead time, etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TANGO QUEBEC 83 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 First photos from Harken of the boat out of the shed http://instagram.com/p/wbvkGZjIJO/ Due at the shipyard this afternoon. The Rambler 90 in the background is nice for comparison. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Broseidon 5 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 HArken's instagram has a pic of the new boat its stunning Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Presuming Ed 270 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 MC38 + photocopier zoom? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
umpire 3 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Has there been any indication what races she'll target in her first year? Presumably too late now for Sydney-Hobart, but I don't recall any prior Ramblers (while they were still Ramblers) doing Sydney-Hobart anyway. She is entered for the Trans Atlantic in July, then I guess the Fastnet after that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
left hook 5 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 MC38 + photocopier zoom? r88.png Groupama70 + zoom Rudders are something special. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JL92S 426 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Who's gonna skipper this boat now Ken Read has moved on? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
forss 227 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Interesting rudders indeed Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Presuming Ed 270 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Tubercles! Any involvement from Paul Bieker? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gorn FRANTIC!! 502 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Didn't they have similar rudders on R100 when they were doing the Caribbean tour with her? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Abbo 90 Posted December 10, 2014 Author Share Posted December 10, 2014 Very interesting. Apparently they help the flow detach later and re-attach sooner. Found on whale flippers everywhere! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TANGO QUEBEC 83 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Who's gonna skipper this boat now Ken Read has moved on? Brad Butterworth has been mentioned. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Coventry 6 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,339 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Wow stunning. My mouth waters at the thought she could be added to this years Hobart line up. Off course that isn't happening so we'll just have to wait. This boat is a big thing for Juan K going forward I would have thought? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DickDastardly 282 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Wow stunning. My mouth waters at the thought she could be added to this years Hobart line up. Off course that isn't happening so we'll just have to wait. This boat is a big thing for Juan K going forward I would have thought? Despite his VOR success he's spawned a few turkeys so he needs to score with this one. Hull notably less flat than Loyal and looks skinnier for it's length - but we don;t know what the design brief was. As it's not a 100 footer I can only assume handicap racing is a consideration. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Coventry 6 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TANGO QUEBEC 83 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Nice photos Mr Coventry! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Coventry 6 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Nice photos Mr Coventry! Not mine. Found them on insta Quote Link to post Share on other sites
USA190520 17 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 wtf? Are curves not allowed anymore or are designers trying to one up each other using an etch a sketch? Cool boat- best of luck with it, should be fun to see her otw this winter- I assume kwrw will be her coming out party.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sailinspray 2 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Why is there so much volume at the top end of the rudder? Wouldn't a more vertical leading edge present less drag? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wildboats 4 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 shame they didn't stretch her to 100' Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gorn FRANTIC!! 502 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Rambler 100 at St Barts, watch from about 1:30 onwards to see the rudder shots. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hanne 0 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Tubercles! Any involvement from Paul Bieker? Looks like spin-off from Oracle AC32 research. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SCANAS 584 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 R100 looks bow down Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wildboats 4 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 R100 looks bow down they rekn a new prod and the worlds biggest sail is going to fix it...... I guess we'll see on race day Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Abbo 90 Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 Black Betty was always pretty bow down, Speedboat was a direct descendant of that. The white boat (ABN) had quite a bit more rocker so it was much more forgiving off the breeze, hence the kids were able to push harder and got the 24 hour record. That being said Black Betty was a full knot quicker at 90 TWA!!! I would love to see Loyal (Speedboat) and Comanche in 30-40kn at 100-110 TWA..... I reckon Loyal would put up a pretty good fight! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DT Wanderer 0 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I guess they didn't grow them for nothing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
t.rex 130 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 From the online MIT Technology Review: http://www.technologyreview.com/news/409710/whale-inspired-wind-turbines/ "Previous experiments have shown, however, that the angle of attack of a humpback-whale flipper can be up to 40 percent steeper than that of a smooth flipper before stall occurs." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Still 0 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Tubercles! Any involvement from Paul Bieker? My first thought also. Wonder if there's been any hard research done on this, in the sailboat optimization context rather than the turbine blade context (for a 36 or 40 footer, you'd understand if the answer turns out to be "no;" once you're dealing with a $$$$ project, you would think "yes"), or if they're still a bit of Bieker art that is presumed to/seems to work Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ScowLover 58 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Here is another article about the bumpy rudder tech: http://www.gizmag.com/bumpy-whale-fins-set-to-spark-a-revolution-in-aerodynamics/9020/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewDavis 0 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 From the online MIT Technology Review: http://www.technologyreview.com/news/409710/whale-inspired-wind-turbines/ "Previous experiments have shown, however, that the angle of attack of a humpback-whale flipper can be up to 40 percent steeper than that of a smooth flipper before stall occurs." That's for low Rn...almost creeping flows. Whoever designed the rudders didn't read the article Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Schnick 51 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I think they have deliberately made the rudders very shallow to avoid having the weather rudder always dragging the tip in the water (see Comanche, Beau Geste, VO65s etc). The tubercules are probably an attempt to allow the very small rudders to still work when pressed hard. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wildboats 4 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 the designer was having morning tea at the time Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trevor B 100 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 With twin rudders there is a big problem with the windward rudder tip being stalled much of the time. This is due to the leeward rudder running at some positive angle of attack because of weather helm, and the windward rudder exiting and entering the water at this angle of attack which is too great for flow to be established without sucking air down the foil. It is very draggy and also annoying for the driver. Another solution is to "toe-in" the rudders so that the windward rudder enters the water at an angle of attack approaching zero. The problem with this is the toe-in angle needs to be different at every point of sail since the amount of weather helm varies a ton. This can be very complex. The other solution is to raise the windward rudder out of the water like the Open-60s which also complex as well as heavy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Presuming Ed 270 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Another solution is to "toe-in" the rudders so that the windward rudder enters the water at an angle of attack approaching zero. The problem with this is the toe-in angle needs to be different at every point of sail since the amount of weather helm varies a ton. This can be very complex. The other solution is to raise the windward rudder out of the water like the Open-60s which also complex as well as heavy. Do IMOCAs adjust toe in angle? Wonder if there's the capability here. Easier on smaller boats. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Recidivist 948 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 From the online MIT Technology Review: http://www.technologyreview.com/news/409710/whale-inspired-wind-turbines/ "Previous experiments have shown, however, that the angle of attack of a humpback-whale flipper can be up to 40 percent steeper than that of a smooth flipper before stall occurs." How the fuck do they get the whale to perform the experiments? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trevor B 100 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I think the preferred solution in IMOCA is to lift the windward rudder. This allows them to run a fuse to reduce the chance of damage due to collision. When your leg length is measured in hundreds, if not thousands, of miles you come up with different solutions. Stacking, or installing, a spare rudder by yourself seems like it would be hard. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
USA190520 17 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 From the online MIT Technology Review: http://www.technologyreview.com/news/409710/whale-inspired-wind-turbines/ "Previous experiments have shown, however, that the angle of attack of a humpback-whale flipper can be up to 40 percent steeper than that of a smooth flipper before stall occurs." How the fuck do they get the whale to perform the experiments? tell her she's cute and buy her drinks all night... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,339 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 From the online MIT Technology Review: http://www.technologyreview.com/news/409710/whale-inspired-wind-turbines/ "Previous experiments have shown, however, that the angle of attack of a humpback-whale flipper can be up to 40 percent steeper than that of a smooth flipper before stall occurs." How the fuck do they get the whale to perform the experiments? tell her she's cute and buy her drinks all night... They throw the whale in the testing tank ..! No seriously that's what the test tanks are for. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spun Monkey 0 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Coventry 6 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Recidivist 948 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Err, do you think now is a good time to mention to George that WOXI got an extra 4% by making the bow entry finer? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
o69u812 0 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Who's gonna skipper this boat now Ken Read has moved on? Brad Butterworth has been mentioned. BB driving around in RI again ;-) ... wonder who's going to be riding shotgun Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SCANAS 584 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Err, do you think now is a good time to mention to George that WOXI got an extra 4% by making the bow entry finer? 4% is a huge number. Source? Agree looks full, buts its quite rounded. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Recidivist 948 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Err, do you think now is a good time to mention to George that WOXI got an extra 4% by making the bow entry finer? 4% is a huge number. Source? Agree looks full, buts its quite rounded. Yeah, I thought there may have been a touch of gamesmanship when Ricko made the 4% claim - it was just after they remodelled the entry and fitted the new bobstay. It's on one of the threads here - a couple of months back. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Christian 73 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Err, do you think now is a good time to mention to George that WOXI got an extra 4% by making the bow entry finer? Err, do you think now is a good time to mention to George that WOXI got an extra 4% by making the bow entry finer? Mebbe not - but give it a year................... Yeah look at the couple of Farr400 that have been a good deal faster upwind with a nosejob Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swimsailor 1,683 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Is the nose supposed to be scow-esque? Just thinking out loud but it seems 88 feet may be the length determined because of cost...cost of sails, crew, moorage, etc. I don't think GD is a billionaire and even multi-millionaires need to live on a budget. Beau Gest is only 80 feet. She's gorgeous. Brave to go with Juan K but exciting to see innovative thinking. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TANGO QUEBEC 83 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 88 was the longest they could get in the oven, it grew from 80 several times. The bow is pretty round, but not extremely so bearing in mind how the bows look on Mini Maxis and other IRC designed boat these days. I'm sure along with the spray rails it's all about keeping lift/volume on the nose as to be able to push the boat hard off the breeze. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJohnB 360 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Review the 2011 Transaltantic race between Rambler 100 and Puma. The extra length is not as beneficially as you expect. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
USA190520 17 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 . The extra length is not as beneficially as you expect. She's lying mate, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Coventry 6 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Ed 440 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Dig the shiny trousers and shoes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,339 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Dig the shiny trousers and shoes. LOL, Good observation... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boink 838 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 At least they don't have those dodgy Michael Jackson White socks - yet another one of his crimes that he has yet to answer for.... Oh wait a minute. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TANGO QUEBEC 83 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Boat is going back in the water right about now at the shipyard. Can't be cheap having Jimmy running the 500t lift on a Sunday! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
left hook 5 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Boat is going back in the water right about now at the shipyard. Can't be cheap having Jimmy running the 500t lift on a Sunday! Name dropper Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bruno 137 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Surprising dagger shapes Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HMM263 16 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Surprising dagger shapes They look identical to Comanches. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bruno 137 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Thats right very similar, though no tab, why the bulbs? Vortices? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tanton Y_M 278 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 A Tall order. I like the soft mid section and the fore and aft chines. I am not sure about the daggerboards. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gorn FRANTIC!! 502 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 In the aesthetics department I'm liking the new Rambler a shitload more than the other newly emerged creations (Comanche,Rio, & Rags 100) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,339 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Got to wonder how she will go compared to new 100 footers such as Comanche. They will eventually meet head to head. 12 Feet is a considerable handicap for Line Honours racing. And who stipulated 88 Feet versus 90 or 100 for example? I hear it was JuanK ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gorn FRANTIC!! 502 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Read up a few posts, it started at 80 but grew and grew until it reached 88 which was the max size they could fit in the oven where she was built. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,339 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Read up a few posts, it started at 80 but grew and grew until it reached 88 which was the max size they could fit in the oven where she was built. yeah I heard the over story too so couldn't they take the project anywhere else.?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JL92S 426 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Wouldn't surprise me if other builders weren't willing to touch a JuanK supermaxi Quote Link to post Share on other sites
left hook 5 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Wouldn't surprise me if other builders weren't willing to touch a JuanK supermaxi "No! I don't want your millions!!" Cmon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chimp 2 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Everyone seems to be copying the Farr daggerboard shape. They can all thank Alon Finkelstein for that development. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HMM263 16 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Wouldn't surprise me if other builders weren't willing to touch a JuanK supermaxi Boat builders know what side their bread is buttered. Cookson still does plenty of Farr builds after the original Beau Geste 80 decided to split up the middle. Pretty sure the only reason they didn't do the refit work on Rambler 100 was that they had the new BG in the shed at the time, so the boat went to Yachting Developments. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Abbo 90 Posted December 15, 2014 Author Share Posted December 15, 2014 I heard about the build of Speedboat that Mick Cookson wasn't happy with structures on it so he beefed it up bit with a few extra laminates here and there..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HMM263 16 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Wouldn't surprise me, he's been around carbon long enough to know what works and what won't. He said that BG would split when he was building the thing. I'm sure others know more about the build but he had a fairly lengthy indemnity clause I believe. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Soley 43 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Read up a few posts, it started at 80 but grew and grew until it reached 88 which was the max size they could fit in the oven where she was built. yeah I heard the over story too so couldn't they take the project anywhere else.?? In this world of designing up until it is almost too late to build the boat. I expect GD had already paid a hefty non returnable deposit on building an 80 footer at NEB while the design spiral was still in works. I guess the design spiral ended at shutting the oven door. Think it was a little short sighted of NEB to build that shed without the possibility of fitting in a 100 ft build. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TANGO QUEBEC 83 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Land may have been a consideration to the size of the building and hence the length of the oven...but you know that already. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
left hook 5 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Just built the shed 12 feet longer so it hangs out over the gas dock Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Soley 43 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 On the east side of the shed, there is room. Not much but I would have thought enough to push 12 foot further. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raked Aft\\ 121 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 You could probably make an outdoor autoclave out of surplus containers. You only need say 175deg. run 3 40'rs down each side and one on each end, throw a corrugated steel sheet on top, plumb in some torpedo heaters, and bake away... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Abbo 90 Posted December 15, 2014 Author Share Posted December 15, 2014 You could probably make an outdoor autoclave out of surplus containers. You only need say 175deg. run 3 40'rs down each side and one on each end, throw a corrugated steel sheet on top, plumb in some torpedo heaters, and bake away... Autoclave? Don't you mean oven? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raked Aft\\ 121 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 You could probably make an outdoor autoclave out of surplus containers. You only need say 175deg. run 3 40'rs down each side and one on each end, throw a corrugated steel sheet on top, plumb in some torpedo heaters, and bake away... Autoclave? Don't you mean oven? that too... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,970 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 You could probably make an outdoor autoclave out of surplus containers. You only need say 175deg. run 3 40'rs down each side and one on each end, throw a corrugated steel sheet on top, plumb in some torpedo heaters, and bake away... Have fun pressurising that! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trevor B 100 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 C'mon Guys. The owner of this boat has a ton of experience with a 100 foot version of it and HE must of decided that was not what he wanted. The why really doesn't matter. What you would have done if you had hundreds of millions of dollars to spend is NOT relevant because you probably don't. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 The owner of this boat has a ton of experience with a 100 foot version of it and HE must of decided that was not what he wanted. That is of course true, but why? And who led him down that path? I find the draft rumor to be plausible, why else would you build a shorter boat? Lighter, sure. Less sail area, absolutely. More efficient, sure. Together, those changes should provide a faster boat. But shorter? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,339 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 The owner of this boat has a ton of experience with a 100 foot version of it and HE must of decided that was not what he wanted. That is of course true, but why? And who led him down that path? I find the draft rumor to be plausible, why else would you build a shorter boat? Lighter, sure. Less sail area, absolutely. More efficient, sure. Together, those changes should provide a faster boat. But shorter? It's the $$ Million dollar question because if it doesn't match up with Comanche in line honours racing then 88 Feet is a lot of boat to have to win on handicap. His boat his call, 12 feet is too much in my opinion if it's on the wind waterline length wins, just ask the half a dozen maxi's that extended from 98 feet to 100.! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alcatraz5768 415 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 The max length of 100' is for all the big races or just the Hobart? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HMM263 16 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Yea just S2H now. Fastnet and Middle Sea have relaxed the mono 100ft rule for 2015, which allows the bigger boats to come play. RORC 600 was always open to 100ft+, so the last race in the Atlantic Ocean Racing Series (AORS) that isn't 100ft+ friendly is the Transat from Newport to Lizard. Edit: would be nice to see the big boys play as well, Mari Cha 3 did the S2h in 1d18hrs37mins way back in 1998, which is only 14mins slower than WOXI in 2012. Sweet video of them with 65ft of the boat out of the water here Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Abbo 90 Posted December 16, 2014 Author Share Posted December 16, 2014 Looks positively pedestrian. Any of the 100 ft canters would destroy the record given '99 conditions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HMM263 16 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Posting private, non viewable for most, vids on a busy forum...pricelessss Why don't you try clicking the box that says "Watch on Vimeo" you spoon. It's not private, and it's not geolocked. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yachtie2k4 4 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Hmm263, just to clarify, mari cha 3's record was set in 99, not 98. This was the year that Nokia won line honours and smashed the race record as did brindabella for conventially ballasted boats (still holds this record) I wonder if rio will beat this record this year? Hmm263, just to clarify, mari cha 3's record was set in 99, not 98. This was the year that Nokia won line honours and smashed the race record as did brindabella for conventially ballasted boats (still holds this record) I wonder if rio will beat this record this year? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chimp 2 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 LIstened to Juan at the WYRF last week. He said that draft was the initial controller. With that limit he suggested to the boss that the best size boat for that draft was 88. This also allowed the build to be lighter but you get the righting moment you want and the platform for the rig you want. Makes some sense. Will be interesting to see if it holds together and the theory works. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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