terrafirma 1,339 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 88' would have been a very comfortable decision for Jaun K. Big enough that it will kick arse when racing against all the 70-80 foot boats but small enough that if it gets dogged but the 100' boats its because of size. I'll give you a ransom if you can get him to admit that...! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
2Newts 67 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 The max length of 100' is for all the big races or just the Hobart? Transpac is also limited to 100 ft Bermuda is limited to 100ft Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tanton Y_M 280 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Bow comparison. Rambler versus Groupama 70. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,970 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 88' would have been a very comfortable decision for Jaun K. Big enough that it will kick arse when racing against all the 70-80 foot boats but small enough that if it gets dogged but the 100' boats its because of size. I'll give you a ransom if you can get him to admit that...! It's a point, not sure the reasoning. The new/replacement BG 80 is another that doesn't quite fit the rule either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,970 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Bow comparison. Rambler versus Groupama 70. The Groupama shot looks like a render shot and from a different angle, very hard to see the details. Do you have a point? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Coventry 6 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mexican 13 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Nice low WSA photo. Mex Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alcatraz5768 415 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Funny canters. My boat only looks like that when she's aground. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
russell_2878 20 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Funny canters. My boat only looks like that when she's aground. Is that a regular sight? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Presuming Ed 270 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Makes it nice and easy to wipe the bottom. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TANGO QUEBEC 83 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Back to old school careening! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TANGO QUEBEC 83 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 George David states today on 'The Daily Sail' that the program so far is to deliver South to Florida to train, Les Voiles de St Barths then focus on the 2015 Transatlantic Race. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Jack Sparrow 85 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Interesting that she doesn't have an escape hatch in the transom like Comanche does. You'd think after what happened with Rambler 100 in the Fastnet that a hatch would have been in the plans from the beginning. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
forss 227 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Maybe there is cutaway hatch under the hull. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alcatraz5768 415 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Funny canters. My boat only looks like that when she's aground. Is that a regular sight? At the moment it is, she's in the back yard under a tent. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fignewton 0 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Maybe there is cutaway hatch under the hull. There is a flush escape hatch on the transom that is camouflaged by the M and the B. A very nice detail from the boys at NEB! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Jack Sparrow 85 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Maybe there is cutaway hatch under the hull. There is a flush escape hatch on the transom that is camouflaged by the M and the B. A very nice detail from the boys at NEB! Well spotted! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Coventry 6 Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Monkey 2,375 Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 So what's the story with that crazy chine/seam type thing rolling back towards the rudder? I'm not sure I've seen that before. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DickDastardly 285 Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Illustrates pretty well how small and narrow the immersed sections are when one of these wedges heels, and what sort of angle the boards are at - and hence how much lift they can generate. Mind that is a bigger heel angle than they would want to see in practice I'd guess Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GybeSet 16 Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 So what's the story with that crazy chine/seam type thing rolling back towards the rudder? I'm not sure I've seen that before.it's paint Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DickDastardly 285 Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 So what's the story with that crazy chine/seam type thing rolling back towards the rudder? I'm not sure I've seen that before. What he said. They use this special paint on the underwater parts that is supposed to discourage marine life... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EastCoastHustle 41 Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 I have heard that some simulations have this boat being safely faster than rambler 100. If true that would be quite an accomplishment. I've also heard Rome Kirby may be the person to run it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SCANAS 584 Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 I have heard that some simulations have this boat being safely faster than rambler 100. If true that would be quite an accomplishment. I've also heard Rome Kirby may be the person to run it. & The latest Beau Geste was going to be faster than 100' supermaxi's. Also a VO70 was supposed to beat a supermaxi 7 times from 10 starts in the Hobart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Coventry 6 Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 http://websta.me/p/881167159724341790_340596789 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Monkey 2,375 Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 So what's the story with that crazy chine/seam type thing rolling back towards the rudder? I'm not sure I've seen that before. it's paintFuck, I'm dumb. No more drinking and looking at boat pictures on my phone for me! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,339 Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 I have heard that some simulations have this boat being safely faster than rambler 100. If true that would be quite an accomplishment. I've also heard Rome Kirby may be the person to run it. +1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 & The latest Beau Geste was going to be faster than 100' supermaxi's. Also a VO70 was supposed to beat a supermaxi 7 times from 10 starts in the Hobart. We remember the BG press release (that no one except for Sail-World readers paid any attention to, BTW), but where was that other info from? Uranus? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SCANAS 584 Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 & The latest Beau Geste was going to be faster than 100' supermaxi's. Also a VO70 was supposed to beat a supermaxi 7 times from 10 starts in the Hobart. We remember the BG press release (that no one except for Sail-World readers paid any attention to, BTW), but where was that other info from? Uranus? How many VO70's have raced SH recently? You do the math! FWIW ABN1 was beating Wild Oats before they dropped the rig, maybe they bought into the idea way back then. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nroose 278 Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Can someone 'splain to me why these and Comanche's daggers have bulbs? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
USA190520 17 Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 End plates Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tinga 15 Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 to fill the dagger board case when they are raised. So you can have a tapered planform but still have a clean windward slot when the board is raised. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ateam 2 Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 She does Not seeem to have a Kicker? No need anymore to Lift the Boom at light Winds? Does anybody know the reasoning behind this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Abbo 90 Posted December 23, 2014 Author Share Posted December 23, 2014 She does Not seeem to have a Kicker? No need anymore to Lift the Boom at light Winds? Does anybody know the reasoning behind this? It's obviously not rigged yet but I'm guessing it will have a soft vang. Southern have been doing this for quite a while now, the booms are getting so bloody light these days they have no need for them. Some boats have a detachable strut to hold the boom up when the main is down but that's about it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ctutmark 285 Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 sure looks like a soft vang pennant laying loose on top of the spray hood, plus a fairly robust boom gallows by the guy in the red coat https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t31.0-8/10856531_10152435595501673_4470349700172585371_o.jpg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chippin' away 0 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Can anyone explain what is happening in this photo? Seems like the boat should be healing the other way, no? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spike 8 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Pull Down Test Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 & The latest Beau Geste was going to be faster than 100' supermaxi's. Also a VO70 was supposed to beat a supermaxi 7 times from 10 starts in the Hobart. We remember the BG press release (that no one except for Sail-World readers paid any attention to, BTW), but where was that other info from? Uranus? How many VO70's have raced SH recently? You do the math! FWIW ABN1 was beating Wild Oats before they dropped the rig, maybe they bought into the idea way back then. You wrote "was supposed to beat a supermaxi" I asked you who said that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SCANAS 584 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 & The latest Beau Geste was going to be faster than 100' supermaxi's. Also a VO70 was supposed to beat a supermaxi 7 times from 10 starts in the Hobart. We remember the BG press release (that no one except for Sail-World readers paid any attention to, BTW), but where was that other info from? Uranus? How many VO70's have raced SH recently? You do the math! FWIW ABN1 was beating Wild Oats before they dropped the rig, maybe they bought into the idea way back then. You wrote "was supposed to beat a supermaxi" I asked you who said that. It was a claim a VO70 team made. That's all i'lll say. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 in other words, meaningless when said and even less meaning now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SCANAS 584 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 was it the chicken, or .... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,339 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 & The latest Beau Geste was going to be faster than 100' supermaxi's. Also a VO70 was supposed to beat a supermaxi 7 times from 10 starts in the Hobart. We remember the BG press release (that no one except for Sail-World readers paid any attention to, BTW), but where was that other info from? Uranus? How many VO70's have raced SH recently? You do the math! FWIW ABN1 was beating Wild Oats before they dropped the rig, maybe they bought into the idea way back then. You wrote "was supposed to beat a supermaxi" I asked you who said that. It was a claim a VO70 team made. That's all i'lll say. The Volvo 70's clocked 40 Knots top speed and Wild Oats around 35 Knots so it's possible in surfing conditions but over a long distance I wouldn't have thought they would have a chance nowadays Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Abbo 90 Posted December 24, 2014 Author Share Posted December 24, 2014 Can anyone explain what is happening in this photo? Seems like the boat should be healing the other way, no? *********** is standing near the port chain plates. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ateam 2 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 She does Not seeem to have a Kicker? No need anymore to Lift the Boom at light Winds? Does anybody know the reasoning behind this? It's obviously not rigged yet but I'm guessing it will have a soft vang. Southern have been doing this for quite a while now, the booms are getting so bloody light these days they have no need for them. Some boats have a detachable strut to hold the boom up when the main is down but that's about it. Thanks! Like on racing dighys no vang - so the boom must be so light that it does not close the main at very light Winds - impressive. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Abbo 90 Posted December 24, 2014 Author Share Posted December 24, 2014 I have seen two crew (one being a 60kg girl) walk off a 66 foot canter with the boom on their shoulders like it was no big thing. Crazy light, beautiful piece of work by Southern's. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Coventry 6 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sugarscoop 69 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Keel snap off already??? NEW WORLD RECORD!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 fuck that is hilarious JF Quote Link to post Share on other sites
r.finn 522 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Fingers crossed for this boat. It's beautiful. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 no question she is a looker, captures a lot of that VO70 flair but on a slimmer, lower profile package. Only one problem: Designer hasn't done a single successful big boat in something like a decade unless it starts with a V and an O Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TANGO QUEBEC 83 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Clean, and there you were, slobbering all over the Speedboat when Alex gave you full access, Ass. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Clean, and there you were, slobbering all over the Speedboat when Alex gave you full access, Ass. And I'd slobber all over the R88 too. She's gorgeous, and I don't really care about handicap racing. Then again, I didn't spend 20 million or whatever for a new race boat. Would you care to make a point? Perhaps you'd like to cite all of JuanK's Maxi successes? Or better yet, fill in the blank: JuanK is a perfect designer for a boat like this, because_______________________. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Presuming Ed 270 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Do wonder how he got the gig, especially after what happened the last time (?) GD went sailing on a JK boat? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
STYacht.com 5 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Presuming Ed I do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TANGO QUEBEC 83 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Nah Clean, it's more the 'OMG the _______ is awesome because we got access, then snipe away from the sidelines once things go wrong or the next latest/greatest program comes along. Eg Ernesto is the Anti Christ, Larry will save us all...oh wait, um...next. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
newbiesporty 18 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 For fucks sake He runs a sailing website!!!! Kinda expected. Would you have been slobbering all over speedboat if you had have had access? Do you think the boats been successful since it's launch in 2008? Cool as it is Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Abbo 90 Posted December 24, 2014 Author Share Posted December 24, 2014 It's a seriously horny looking ship, let's hope for JK and GD 's sake it goes like a cut cat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
savoir 219 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Did Speedboat/Rambler/Loyal ever win anything on handicap ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Nah Clean, it's more the 'OMG the _______ is awesome because we got access, then snipe away from the sidelines once things go wrong or the next latest/greatest program comes along. Eg Ernesto is the Anti Christ, Larry will save us all...oh wait, um...next. Dude when Speedboat was launched JuanK was the shit, and deserved to be worshipped a bit. None of his boats had cracked in half or killed anyone yet, and to be quite honest I can't remember SA ever sniping at that boat one bit. We dig excess, and Alex cracks me up. Context can be important, though if you would like to alter reality to fit a narrative that you have in your head, there's not much I can do about it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Do wonder how he got the gig, especially after what happened the last time (?) GD went sailing on a JK boat? Here's my shot at it: GD: What about the 100's capsize? How did that happen? JK: Well, those structures guys, they just didn't do the calcs right when the mods were made. And the builders, they fucked it up! GD: But what about Bernard? Open 60s are supposed to be able to take anything, right? JK: Yeah, but those french guys, when they repair a boat, they fucked it up! And Bernard, he should have taken in a fifth reef in that storm! GD: And Artemis? JK: Those builders, they fucked it up! And those sailors, they fucked it up too! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Monkey 2,375 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Do wonder how he got the gig, especially after what happened the last time (?) GD went sailing on a JK boat? Here's my shot at it: GD: What about the 100's capsize? How did that happen? JK: Well, those structures guys, they just didn't do the calcs right when the mods were made. And the builders, they fucked it up! GD: But what about Bernard? Open 60s are supposed to be able to take anything, right? JK: Yeah, but those french guys, when they repair a boat, they fucked it up! And Bernard, he should have taken in a fifth reef in that storm! GD: And Artemis? JK: Those builders, they fucked it up! And those sailors, they fucked it up too! GD: you really think I'm dumb enough to believe all those excuses?JK: I hope so! Sign here please. GD: no problem, but here's a few bits my lawyers added to the contract in case this thing breaks in half as usual... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bwana 2 Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Is that a recent rule? Mari Cha IV was around 140' as I recall. The max length of 100' is for all the big races or just the Hobart? Transpac is also limited to 100 ft Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nroose 278 Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 IRRC S2H used to have a 30 meter limit. And some called it 98'. So funny that boat lengths use feet so often even when they are not often designed or built in feet. And Transpac and others had a 100' limit. Then S2H bowed to convention and increased their max length to 100' Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yachtie2k4 4 Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Yep and when they changed to 100 ft almost all the 98fters added 2 ft to the boats. Iirc lahana was the only one that didnt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swimsailor 1,689 Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 MC4 raced the Pacific Cup, not Transpac. Is that a recent rule? Mari Cha IV was around 140' as I recall. The max length of 100' is for all the big races or just the Hobart? Transpac is also limited to 100 ft Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RIGO 46 Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 If they want to do the Hobart (and it seems to be the top race currently?), then surely Wild Oats record shows you the optimum design for the most probable conditions? Maybe Ive just done too much light wind sailing but the easily driven shape of wild oats seems very versatile when combined with the canting keel. Did people draw any conclusions re the crossover point from Wild Oats to Loyal? I only ask because I thought people were talking about ~20knots which seems like quite a lot to bank upon/require. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,339 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Why no pics of the new Rambler sailing yet..? I've seen some small shots with the main up and thats it..? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Abbo 90 Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 Iced in harbour? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CrushDigital 18 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Why no pics of the new Rambler sailing yet..? I've seen some small shots with the main up and thats it..? Mostly because it's freeze your balls off cold in the northeast United States right now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crashtestdummy 17 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Leaving for Florida Saturday and registered for the key west feeder race Quote Link to post Share on other sites
left hook 5 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Leaving for Florida Saturday and registered for the key west feeder race That's cutting it a little close... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,970 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Leaving for Florida Saturday and registered for the key west feeder race That's cutting it a little close... They need a guy like you on the crew for some superior knowledge. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boo-Yah 9 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Leaving for Florida Saturday and registered for the key west feeder race Who gets to do the delivery and race? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crashtestdummy 17 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 George is on board for the delivery Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJohnB 361 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Couple of photos. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GybeSet 16 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 time to get outta dodge Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Icedtea 155 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 .... That looks like the kind of weather you don't go outside in, let alone deliver to Florida Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Abbo 90 Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 Take an extra bottle of gas and keep the hot food coming. Makes the miles tick by faster. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crashtestdummy 17 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 1,815 irc rating Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,339 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 https://www.facebook.com/sailingscuttlebutt/photos/pcb.10153010113428839/10153010112433839/?type=1&theater -18 degrees sail testing..! Sounds like fun.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJohnB 361 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 time to get outta dodge Fitted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SCARECROW 735 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 .... That looks like the kind of weather you don't go outside in, let alone deliver to Florida To me it looks like a reason to deliver to Florida ASAP Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJohnB 361 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 .... That looks like the kind of weather you don't go outside in, let alone deliver to Florida To me it looks like a reason to deliver to Florida ASAP Not sitting back and enjoying the scenery. http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/index/positions/all/shipid:2129382/mmsi:367642260/shipname:RAMBLER%2088/per_page:50/page:1 What has the wind been like over the pass yew days? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
robalex117 159 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 West on Sat when then left newport, but has gone SW on Sunday. So reach to start and then upwind. .... That looks like the kind of weather you don't go outside in, let alone deliver to Florida To me it looks like a reason to deliver to Florida ASAP Not sitting back and enjoying the scenery. http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/index/positions/all/shipid:2129382/mmsi:367642260/shipname:RAMBLER%2088/per_page:50/page:1 What has the wind been like over the pass yew days? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
savoir 219 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Yagottalove the little zigzag around Block Island. "Hey skipper, there's an island ahead !" "Oh shit ! Ahem. Yeah, I knew that." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HEFF 2 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Whats the big rush to go race against a Beneteau 36.7? I hope their getting time and a half for this delivery! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TANGO QUEBEC 83 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Currently doing 8kts just off Charleston, wonder if the boys have thawed out yet!? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
naj 0 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Just watching this topic for now, but since I'm new, requisite tits below: Yay, ex-GFs! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
left hook 5 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Hope there's time for the crew to take a dump on a stationary toilet before having to head out the start of the race. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kapteeni Kalma 0 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 The guestion is: Has R88 the new balance act? Short waterline reaching no bow pissing? Seen in Comanche with Spithill. Is it reality? Does R88 have it too? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vtsail 15 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Doing 8 knots off of Hilton head right now. Are they really going to be doing a race that starts tomorrow afternoon?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HEFF 2 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Engine must have shit the bed... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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