usa318 4 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Not officially an IACC. Think they have been trying to sell it for quite a while. https://www.ebay.com/itm/233174864775 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Serge A. Storms 34 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Hello All- I've been looking for some books on the '87 America's Cup, specifically any that document the ups and downs of the defense syndicates. The Bond/Parry rivalry is interesting and the stories about the design philosophies and decisions intrigue me. Same for the politics that led to the missed chance to make last minute mods to KOOKA II for the Cup final. Anyone know if there is anything written and available about all this? An Iain Murray biography maybe? Any of the guys in the crews write any books? I've looked around the web and Amazon etc and can't even find crew rosters. I guess 1987 was still pre-interweb.... If anyone has a favorite let me know! Thanks in advance, Serge Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brutal 74 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 28 minutes ago, Serge A. Storms said: Hello All- I've been looking for some books on the '87 America's Cup, specifically any that document the ups and downs of the defense syndicates. The Bond/Parry rivalry is interesting and the stories about the design philosophies and decisions intrigue me. Same for the politics that led to the missed chance to make last minute mods to KOOKA II for the Cup final. Anyone know if there is anything written and available about all this? An Iain Murray biography maybe? Any of the guys in the crews write any books? I've looked around the web and Amazon etc and can't even find crew rosters. I guess 1987 was still pre-interweb.... If anyone has a favorite let me know! Thanks in advance, Serge Dennis Connor touched on this the Bond/Parry rivalry briefly in his book, COMEBACK, but probably not in the depth that you are looking for. It's been a long time since I read this book, but I do remember an anecdote about Bond giving Parry a boxing kangaroo battle flag from the AusIII/AusIV syndicate. Parry accepted the gift, but it never flew from his boats or at the team base. The only crew I remember for Kookaburra are Iain Murray and Peter Gilmour. For the AusIII/AusIV team I remember Colin Beashel on the helm and I think Grant Simmer was on the crew as well. I know the John Bertrand had a falling out with Bondy after JB said some less than flattering things about AB in his book after the '83 Cup. He wasn't involved in Bond's defense syndicate. I've read several books on the '87 Cup and none have given a ton of information on the Bond/Parry rivalry. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Karlthevet 7 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 On 7/10/2020 at 2:30 AM, jackolantern said: Hi Serge Most of that information is anecdotal. There are still a lot of people around who were on the scene in Perth in 1987. I was a member of Royal Perth Yacht Club at the time and me and quite a few of my sailing mates were involved in some way or another in the Perth based defense syndicates run by Bond and Parry. Given how close knit the local sailing community was, we were also across a lot of the scuttlebutt as it happened. I think had the America's Cup been defended successfully, somebody would probably have thought it worth their while to write a book or three about those times. However, its loss was a huge personal setback for a number of the key players and I imagine the last thing they would have wanted at the time was for this to be chronicled and published. Most of these guys very quickly moved on. Bond, Parry, Jones and Lexcen are no longer here to give their sides of the saga. Murray has always been closemouthed. Others have simply gone on to other things (some still very much America's Cup related). In this day and age, there doesn't seem to be much general public interest in what happened in Perth in 1987. Even though some of the Fremantle twelves have been restored and are still raced, their current owners don't have much of a connection with the 1987 series. So I think anybody thinking of putting together some memories of these times would have a hard time convincing a publishing house to market such a story. The last book I know written about Ben Lexcen (in 2018 by Bob Ross and called "Being with Benny") is a little cursory in its coverage of the 1987 series probably because Lexcen had become a little disengaged by then. Even Fremantle no longer has much to show for what went on in 1987. You can just make out where the livery was on the roof of the old Parry syndicate base - when I was last there, those buildings weren't in use. The Bond syndicate headquarters are gone, replaced by the building shed where a replica of Captain Cook's ship Endeavour was built (and which is now pretty much closed). A spare Australia II mast with a plaque still stands at the Royal Perth Yacht Club Fremantle Annex. There is also a granite plaque let into the dock area where the America II syndicate was based (a tribute to "Arthur Wullschleger and his boys.."). That's just about it. Of course Australia II sits in the WA Maritime Museum in Fremantle like a dead butterfly on a pin, but that's more about her 1983 victory (even though she is as she was after her deck was modified in 1984 for Australian conditions and the sails with which she is exhibited are not the ones she used to win the America's Cup). I fear that the main repositories of such history will be forums such as this one where people get together and reminisce. Cheers! Karl Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-yachtie 1,599 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 “An Auckland millionaire is challenging the Queenstown-Lakes District Council’s claim he abandoned an ex-America’s Cup yacht in Lake Wakatipu. The council is selling the boat, likely because of unpaid mooring fees, but owner Geoff Hunt said the council never sent him a bill.” https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/123156298/millionaire-denies-abandoning-examericas-cup-yacht-being-sold-by-queenstown-council Quote Link to post Share on other sites
barfy 1,171 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 ^ Owner sounds on the level, 600k! said he had sold about 12 islands and once owned one himself in Northland, which he had since sold. The boat was bought three years ago through his charity the NZL14 Youth Aid Foundation Queenstown. Its aim is to work with disadvantaged youth and train them to sail. He wanted the yacht to be used for the next 25 years for “kids that are struggling with depression and bi-polar tendencies”, Hunt said. The foundation owes Hunt $600,000 on the boat. Because of this, he did not believe the council could get “clear title” on the vessel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla 2,481 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 10 hours ago, barfy said: ^ Owner sounds on the level, 600k! said he had sold about 12 islands and once owned one himself in Northland, which he had since sold. The boat was bought three years ago through his charity the NZL14 Youth Aid Foundation Queenstown. Its aim is to work with disadvantaged youth and train them to sail. He wanted the yacht to be used for the next 25 years for “kids that are struggling with depression and bi-polar tendencies”, Hunt said. The foundation owes Hunt $600,000 on the boat. Because of this, he did not believe the council could get “clear title” on the vessel Barfy ,Geoff Hunt has been chased from stem to stern in this country for dodgy dealings and ain’t no multi millionaire philanthropist more a fantasist. Here’s a puff piece the reality is far far different. https://waterline.co.nz/news/955-sailing-and-salvation.html https://crux.org.nz/community/property-developer-abandons-americas-cup-yacht-council-pays/ Mr Hunt may not be the real deal but the boat is Knud Reimers Tumlare. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
barfy 1,171 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Was it restored to the level of the second shot? Or still a project languishing in a yard? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla 2,481 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 40 minutes ago, barfy said: Was it restored to the level of the second shot? Or still a project languishing in a yard? Still languishing sadly. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
trt131 205 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Not strictly AC but you know what I mean. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KiwiJoker 370 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, trt131 said: Not strictly AC but you know what I mean. Superb! To think that but for the Coronavirus pandemic we'd be witnessing the spectacle of J-Class racing down here in Auckland after Christmas. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-yachtie 1,599 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 13 hours ago, KiwiJoker said: Superb! To think that but for the Coronavirus pandemic we'd be witnessing the spectacle of J-Class racing down here in Auckland after Christmas. Next time! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 1,526 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 21 hours ago, KiwiJoker said: Superb! To think that but for the Coronavirus pandemic we'd be witnessing the spectacle of J-Class racing down here in Auckland after Christmas. I was recently invited to and then attended a private ‘virtual tour’ in a stunning VR model of the NYYC this morning, including a detailed experience of the AC Model Room. In some respects it was better than being there in person because of the view angles possible, truly amazing. Among many, we inspected the lines of the J hulls from ‘28 (?) through ‘37, from various angles, all done in minutely fine detail at a 3/8” to 1’ ratio. What was supposed to be a 1hr tour went for almost 3 hours! Am so grateful to you (if you are reading this) and can’t wait to take up the invitation to also see those magnificent models in person, in that stunning setting. The guy who led me around was incredibly knowledgeable, which combined with his love for the place made it all the richer. I feel like I had a drink at the bar, the same one that he did on his first visit! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Benjaminsky 1 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 I've been in contact with the current owner of Stars and Stripes 88 Softsail. Has only been advertised "low-key" but is available for the right price. Got a walkthough of it for my channel a while back. benjamin@unitedyacht.com if you are interested and have around 100k with the necessary refit costs in your pocket lol. Also Stars and Stripes 87 is for sale now with Ian Martin of Condomaran Guru, it's is also in equally rough shape after Irma. https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1986/derecktor-12-meter-3711284/ 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla 2,481 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/boats-marine/yachts/keeler/listing/2884444108?bof=Gf4hr3Lq Quote Link to post Share on other sites
accnick 402 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 11 hours ago, Priscilla said: https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/boats-marine/yachts/keeler/listing/2884444108?bof=Gf4hr3Lq She doesn't quite look like that now. I took this up at Gulf Harbour two years ago. A few key components are missing....... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-yachtie 1,599 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Great photo from MGR, That beam-to-bulb ratio makes the AC75s look normal. https://www.instagram.com/p/CIUvs3ChmCt/?igshid=kfkd35hcjs64 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blunderfull 489 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Nice little tour of ‘America’. Plush. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DA-WOODY 1,042 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 On 8/7/2019 at 9:20 PM, DohaNZ said: I took this pic four years ago from the offices of the Sir Peter Blake Foundation... August 2015. never got that view in 2000 But did get the Invite (and on The LIST) to the Defenders CLUB by 6'-4" who I got to tip a few back with stage Left in this PIC "THOSE" were Magical Days !!!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PaulK 400 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Just saw this one last weekend. Doesn't look to be going anywhere soon. https://stormking.org Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jaysper 1,255 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 43 minutes ago, PaulK said: Just saw this one last weekend. Doesn't look to be going anywhere soon. https://stormking.org I can never get over how little respect boats get post AC. This was in the actual fucking cup itself for fucks sake! Sure it got it's arse kicked, but it is a beautiful piece of technology and history all rolled into one. Even cup winners seem to get treated badly. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DA-WOODY 1,042 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1995/03/06/oneaustralia-sinks-at-americas-cup/6d8fb90a-42a4-4a7a-a140-a32b5508b531/ 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chocoa 19 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 1 hour ago, PaulK said: Just saw this one last weekend. Doesn't look to be going anywhere soon. https://stormking.org The hull painting was designed by american pop artist roy lichtenstein, it's in a super cool sculpture park upstate new york, I would say that is a beautiful setting for an AC afterlife of enlightening many different people. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nips 7 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 10 hours ago, jaysper said: I can never get over how little respect boats get post AC. This was in the actual fucking cup itself for fucks sake! Sure it got it's arse kicked, but it is a beautiful piece of technology and history all rolled into one. Even cup winners seem to get treated badly. IACC boats are never going to have an afterlife as the 12 metres or the J’s have with their classic circuits. IIRC I do not know of a single boat being bought and raced after its time in the AC. Many reasons for that:- 1) cannot be raced other than inshore but with deep water because of draft. Not many places in the world to do that. 2) They are long and narrow with huge sailing loads. Everything is carbon, which has minimal flex, it is either strong or it snaps, no margin for error. 3) Needs a large and top notch crew to get them around the course. 4) Maintenance intensive 5) 2,3&4 above needs very deep pockets to finance, and if you did have the money required why would you? Rich guys or sponsors like to compete in prestigious regattas or high profile races, Fastnet in Young America anyone? 6) There was little glamour associated with IACC’s, they were tools for a certain job, mostly corporately sponsored. They were not good looking boats, J’s and 12’s were not fast, but they have a style, and they have history, and have proper names:- Ranger/Endeavour/Courageous etc v ETNZ/One world/Alinghi. 7) Even retired they need a big building if they are going to be put in a museum So they were never going to have much of an afterlife, and the latest crop of foiling monohulls are I believe destined for a similar fate. Too complex, too fragile, too narrow an operating range. I cannot see anyone buying one for Cowes week, unlike the days where the 12m White Crusader used to regularly compete . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raptorsailor 310 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 http://omegataupodcast.net/71-oracle-racings-usa-17/ ^old podcast I found with the executive designer of dogzilla. Very interesting. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jean-Baptiste 227 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 On 11/1/2020 at 12:10 AM, trt131 said: Not strictly AC but you know what I mean. Very elegant video, thank you for posting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,949 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 On 12/22/2020 at 3:06 PM, Nips said: IACC boats are never going to have an afterlife as the 12 metres or the J’s have with their classic circuits. IIRC I do not know of a single boat being bought and raced after its time in the AC. Many reasons for that:- 1) cannot be raced other than inshore but with deep water because of draft. Not many places in the world to do that. 2) They are long and narrow with huge sailing loads. Everything is carbon, which has minimal flex, it is either strong or it snaps, no margin for error. 3) Needs a large and top notch crew to get them around the course. 4) Maintenance intensive 5) 2,3&4 above needs very deep pockets to finance, and if you did have the money required why would you? Rich guys or sponsors like to compete in prestigious regattas or high profile races, Fastnet in Young America anyone? 6) There was little glamour associated with IACC’s, they were tools for a certain job, mostly corporately sponsored. They were not good looking boats, J’s and 12’s were not fast, but they have a style, and they have history, and have proper names:- Ranger/Endeavour/Courageous etc v ETNZ/One world/Alinghi. 7) Even retired they need a big building if they are going to be put in a museum So they were never going to have much of an afterlife, and the latest crop of foiling monohulls are I believe destined for a similar fate. Too complex, too fragile, too narrow an operating range. I cannot see anyone buying one for Cowes week, unlike the days where the 12m White Crusader used to regularly compete . Exactly, chainsaw and be done with them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raptorsailor 310 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 https://instagram.com/gilles_martin_raget?igshid=gvmverkvzgl6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raptorsailor 310 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Gilles Martin-Raget's portfolio is an absolute goldmine. https://www.martin-raget.com/ My favourite is the AC33 album, which includes photos of the dismasting back when dogzilla was still called BOR90. Along with the wing sail controls, BMW engine installation and so on.... Go take a minute on it, maybe even 20 just to look at all this recent AC history. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strider470 2,123 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Found this old video. Italian yacht +39 dismantled in Valencia seven years after the 2007 America's Cup. In the video a very sad Luca Devoti. https://farevela.net/2014/11/26/americas-cut-cosi-finisce-picconate-storia-iacc-video-lopinione-luca-devoti/ 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
K4W 0 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 https://www.sceptre1958.co.uk/ Scepter- 1958 still draws a crowd whenever she glides past. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jaysper 1,255 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 On 1/20/2021 at 10:59 PM, strider470 said: Found this old video. Italian yacht +39 dismantled in Valencia seven years after the 2007 America's Cup. In the video a very sad Luca Devoti. https://farevela.net/2014/11/26/americas-cut-cosi-finisce-picconate-storia-iacc-video-lopinione-luca-devoti/ Poor bastard. Looked close to tears. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chimp too 333 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Is it too early to move Patriot to this thread? 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nav 590 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Cheeky monkey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nutta 454 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 4 hours ago, Chimp too said: Is it too early to move Patriot to this thread? It's certainly easier to move here, given the number of pieces it's in... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla 2,481 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 9 hours ago, Chimp too said: Is it too early to move Patriot to this thread? Maybe they won’t retire it the tangerine hater and wrecker will need a flag ship. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2021/01/21/its-got-a-great-ring-to-it-conservative-personalities-warm-to-trump-patriot-party-with-qanon-roots/?sh=1c24a6831e21 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strider470 2,123 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 This is the Moro di Venezia II (ITA 7) during the 2020 TAG Heuer VELA Cup in Venice last year. It's one of the 5 boats with the same name, built for the 1992 America's Cup Campaign. It was launched on 7 August 1990 and was used as a training boat before the Louis Vuitton Cup. It returned to Italy and remained unused for a long time in Monfalcone, except for a few participations to some Barcolana in the 2000s. The boat has been entirely restored thanks to Gianfranco Natali, an Umbrian entrepreneur and great sailing enthusiast who bought it in 2018. Present location the northern Adriatic Sea. It's still a beauty, isn't it? 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
southseasbill 154 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 On 12/23/2020 at 4:06 AM, Nips said: IACC boats are never going to have an afterlife as the 12 metres or the J’s have with their classic circuits. IIRC I do not know of a single boat being bought and raced after its time in the AC. Many reasons for that:- 1) cannot be raced other than inshore but with deep water because of draft. Not many places in the world to do that. 2) They are long and narrow with huge sailing loads. Everything is carbon, which has minimal flex, it is either strong or it snaps, no margin for error. 3) Needs a large and top notch crew to get them around the course. 4) Maintenance intensive 5) 2,3&4 above needs very deep pockets to finance, and if you did have the money required why would you? Rich guys or sponsors like to compete in prestigious regattas or high profile races, Fastnet in Young America anyone? 6) There was little glamour associated with IACC’s, they were tools for a certain job, mostly corporately sponsored. They were not good looking boats, J’s and 12’s were not fast, but they have a style, and they have history, and have proper names:- Ranger/Endeavour/Courageous etc v ETNZ/One world/Alinghi. 7) Even retired they need a big building if they are going to be put in a museum So they were never going to have much of an afterlife, and the latest crop of foiling monohulls are I believe destined for a similar fate. Too complex, too fragile, too narrow an operating range. I cannot see anyone buying one for Cowes week, unlike the days where the 12m White Crusader used to regularly compete . Not used for racing but there are a couple of old IACC boats at the Auckland viaduct you can pay to go for a sail. Mostly a tourist thing but at least the boats are in use. https://www.exploregroup.co.nz/destinations/auckland/sailing/americas-cup-sailing/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TarheelSailor 4 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 On 5/11/2014 at 10:00 PM, Crouton said: There's an 1987 era Stars & Stripes 12 Meter in use on Hilton Head Island. Boat apparently was one of as many as four built by that campaign that cycle and was only used as a trial horse against other S&S stablemates. She looks about as well as can be expected and apparently gets a lot of use as a charter boat/evening sail deal for tourists. Little bit undignified but beats the alternative of having become a Schlitz can in about 1990. I have fond memories of those trial horses. My ship, USS Carl Vinson (CVN-70), was anchored off of Perth for 10 days between the end of Louis Vitton Cup and the beginning of the America's Cup proper. Dennis sent two of them out to take our enlisted sailors for rides. Huge thrill. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WetHog 568 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 35 minutes ago, southseasbill said: Not used for racing but there are a couple of old IACC boats at the Auckland viaduct you can pay to go for a sail. Mostly a tourist thing but at least the boats are in use. https://www.exploregroup.co.nz/destinations/auckland/sailing/americas-cup-sailing/ NZL-68 has an interesting story. WetHog Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WetHog 568 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 4 hours ago, WetHog said: NZL-68 has an interesting story. Never mind. I mixed up NZL-68 with the Fast 2000 challenge SUI-59 that had the twin keels. https://www.americas-cup-history.at/english/sui 59 be happy.htm WetHog Quote Link to post Share on other sites
I ride bikes 110 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 On 04/12/2020 at 5:00 AM, accnick said: She doesn't quite look like that now. I took this up at Gulf Harbour two years ago. A few key components are missing....... Was up there a few weeks ago and she didn't look this good Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shebeen 57 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) On 3/26/2018 at 11:37 AM, Colomba said: just checked on google earth, this is still there! One would think storing it in a port would be costly, but seems to be lost of spare ground around. At least it's actually not taking up that much space, plenty of dinghy's sheltering in between the hulls. https://www.google.co.za/maps/place/Valencia,+Spain/@39.4572029,-0.3157958,71m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0xd604f4cf0efb06f:0xb4a351011f7f1d39!8m2!3d39.4699075!4d-0.3762881 this is rather dated now.. Edited January 27 by shebeen new info Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rennmaus 2,593 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, shebeen said: just checked on google earth, this is still there! One would think storing it in a port would be costly, but seems to be lost of spare ground around. At least it's actually not taking up that much space, plenty of dinghy's sheltering in between the hulls. https://www.google.co.za/maps/place/Valencia,+Spain/@39.4572029,-0.3157958,71m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0xd604f4cf0efb06f:0xb4a351011f7f1d39!8m2!3d39.4699075!4d-0.3762881 this is rather dated now.. Slightly newer: http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?/topic/157227-where-are-they-now-retired-americas-cup-boat/&page=8&tab=comments#comment-7127381 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DA-WOODY 1,042 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 On 1/26/2021 at 1:29 PM, strider470 said: This is the Moro di Venezia II (ITA 7) during the 2020 TAG Heuer VELA Cup in Venice last year. It's one of the 5 boats with the same name, built for the 1992 America's Cup Campaign. It was launched on 7 August 1990 and was used as a training boat before the Louis Vuitton Cup. It returned to Italy and remained unused for a long time in Monfalcone, except for a few participations to some Barcolana in the 2000s. The boat has been entirely restored thanks to Gianfranco Natali, an Umbrian entrepreneur and great sailing enthusiast who bought it in 2018. Present location the northern Adriatic Sea. It's still a beauty, isn't it? where's the cushon and Big Ashtray on transom ? Sad TRAGIC Story behind those Yachts and that Campaign Paul was ROCKING IT for quite awhile till "The CUP" there are still wheels in DAGO Bay and off the shore where the races were held they fell off everywhere I'd Much rather be the guy whos KANGAROO ROCKET Buckled and dove to the bottom never to be seen again Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla 2,481 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 ITA-15 trial horse. https://www.kmy.nl/yachts/refit-il-moro-di-venezia-iii-maxi-80/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hoom 639 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 9 hours ago, Priscilla said: ITA-15 trial horse. Dayum, she fat. The stern looks the part but I'm having a hard time believing they haven't fattened up the front 2/3 in the cruiserification Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strider470 2,123 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 10 hours ago, Priscilla said: ITA-15 trial horse. https://www.kmy.nl/yachts/refit-il-moro-di-venezia-iii-maxi-80/ This is not the IACC Moro di Venezia III (ITA 15). Many boats (mostly maxi yacht) owned by Raul Gardini since the 70s were named "Il Moro di Venezia". There were 9 of them, and the last five were IACC yachts. I'm quite sure the Moro di Venezia III (ITA 15) is permanently shown in Ravenna (Gardini's hometown), owned by the harbour authorities. https://www.ravennawebtv.it/il-moro-di-venezia-iii-va-in-testa-al-canale-candiano/ SV25_Storia_Yachting.pdf 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla 2,481 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 8 hours ago, strider470 said: This is not the IACC Moro di Venezia III (ITA 15). Many boats (mostly maxi yacht) owned by Raul Gardini since the 70s were named "Il Moro di Venezia". There were 9 of them, and the last five were IACC yachts. I'm quite sure the Moro di Venezia III (ITA 15) is permanently shown in Ravenna (Gardini's hometown), owned by the harbour authorities. https://www.ravennawebtv.it/il-moro-di-venezia-iii-va-in-testa-al-canale-candiano/ SV25_Storia_Yachting.pdf Crikey I hope they got the right boat. Since 2014, KM Yachtbuilders, specialists in constructing aluminum sailing yachts, has refitted some 30 yachts of up to 70ft. Soon, it’ll get cracking on a very special one: Il Moro di Venezia III, one of 5 German Frers-designed racers Italian industrialist Raul Gardini funded to compete in IACC World Championship and America’s Cup racing in the 1990s. Bearing sail number ITA-15, the yacht won the 1991 IACC World Championship. In 1992, she trialed for the AC-qualifying Louis Vuitton Cup, but soon her star faded – a common fate for AC yachts. She ended up at the Sail Academy in Genoa, then at another Italian team, then at America’s Cup Management which used the yacht as a VIP and PR boat and then become a ward of the Ravenna port authority. KM Yachtbuilders says a “new Italian owner has taken an interest in the Ill Moro yachts and will have the number III refitted at our yard. Unfortunately, there is not much left of the original regatta characteristics as the yacht had been converted to a cruiser.” The refit will be done in close collaboration With the German Frers office and the owner’s representative, Says KM Yachtbuilders. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Il_Moro_Challenge Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strider470 2,123 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 24 minutes ago, Priscilla said: Since 2014, KM Yachtbuilders, specialists in constructing aluminum sailing yachts, has refitted some 30 yachts of up to 70ft. Soon, it’ll get cracking on a very special one: Il Moro di Venezia III, one of 5 German Frers-designed racers Italian industrialist Raul Gardini funded to compete in IACC World Championship and America’s Cup racing in the 1990s. Bearing sail number ITA-15, the yacht won the 1991 IACC World Championship. In 1992, she trialed for the AC-qualifying Louis Vuitton Cup, but soon her star faded – a common fate for AC yachts. She ended up at the Sail Academy in Genoa, then at another Italian team, then at America’s Cup Management which used the yacht as a VIP and PR boat and then become a ward of the Ravenna port authority. KM Yachtbuilders says a “new Italian owner has taken an interest in the Ill Moro yachts and will have the number III refitted at our yard. Unfortunately, there is not much left of the original regatta characteristics as the yacht had been converted to a cruiser.” The refit will be done in close collaboration With the German Frers office and the owner’s representative, Says KM Yachtbuilders. Yes I've read that too, but I'm not very convinced it's accurate. Also the shape of the hull makes me think that it is one of the previous Moro di Venezia and not the IACC. German Frers was the designer of choice of Mr. Gardini for most of his racing boats. On the other hand the pictures and video from Ravenna are undoubtedly that of an IACC Moro di Venezia and all the sources, even Wikipedia, say it's the Moro 3. As we say here in Italy, someone got a "sola" (got ripped off). When I've time I'll do some research to better understand this case. It's interesting! If you find something new let me know. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla 2,481 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 39 minutes ago, strider470 said: Yes I've read that too, but I'm not very convinced it's accurate. Also the shape of the hull makes me think that it is one of the previous Moro di Venezia and not the IACC. German Frers was the designer of choice of Mr. Gardini for most of his racing boats. On the other hand the pictures and video from Ravenna are undoubtedly that of an IACC Moro di Venezia and all the sources, even Wikipedia, say it's the Moro 3. As we say here in Italy, someone got a "sola" (got ripped off). When I've time I'll do some research to better understand this case. It's interesting! If you find something new let me know. This piece by Antonio Vettese lists all of Rauls yachts. https://fondazioneraulgardini.org/en/navigatore/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strider470 2,123 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 6 minutes ago, Priscilla said: This piece by Antonio Vettese lists all of Rauls yachts. https://fondazioneraulgardini.org/en/navigatore/ In my opinion it's the Moro III but the Maxi. The numeration system is at least confusing :-D Raul Gardini wants to win and sets in motion a new project: another Frers design with another lightweight alloy. Il Moro di Venezia III, finally, wins the San Francisco Maxi World Championship of 1989. The skipper is Paul Pierre Cayard, a young, handsome Californian and student of the American sailing greats, including the legendary Tom Blackaller. This victory is the beginning of a new adventure: “We were in a bar celebrating – Paul Cayard, German Frers, Angelo Vianello and I,” Gardini recounts, “And we decided that the time had come to mount an America’s Cup challenge. We had a winning team.” I'll ask Tommaso Chieffi who was part of the crew on the Moro during the 1992 America's Cup, he is a friend of mine on facebook and he's really a friendly and humble person. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla 2,481 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 12 minutes ago, strider470 said: In my opinion it's the Moro III but the Maxi. The numeration system is at least confusing :-D Raul Gardini wants to win and sets in motion a new project: another Frers design with another lightweight alloy. Il Moro di Venezia III, finally, wins the San Francisco Maxi World Championship of 1989. The skipper is Paul Pierre Cayard, a young, handsome Californian and student of the American sailing greats, including the legendary Tom Blackaller. This victory is the beginning of a new adventure: “We were in a bar celebrating – Paul Cayard, German Frers, Angelo Vianello and I,” Gardini recounts, “And we decided that the time had come to mount an America’s Cup challenge. We had a winning team.” I'll ask Tommaso Chieffi who was part of the crew on the Moro during the 1992 America's Cup, he is a friend of mine on facebook and he's really a friendly and humble person. True she may well be the 1988 Maxi Worlds winner. Without any doubt the saga of boats Il Moro di Venezia is the most important of Italy and one of the most recognized in the world of sailing. Its name is in association with Raul Gardini, who lived passionately the races during his few leisure times. His strong character and ample economy always led him to own big boats. First were the Maxis IOR and later the IACC to challenge for the Auld Mug. His eight boats saga have only had two things in common, the name inspired by William Shakespeare’s Othello play and all of them were designed by Germán Frers, in an extraordinary fidelity of Gardini to the argentinian designer for 15 years. All began in 1976 with the first Maxi of 20.41 meters built in laminated wood. The second member of the family was launched in 1983 increasing its length to 21.79 meters. She brought the innovation of blending a kevlar-carbon laminate deck with an aluminium hull. Changes on the rules of the Maxi IOR Class, which increased the maximum length from 70 to 80 feet, supposed the third Gardini’s boat in 1987, with which he won the Maxi Worlds in 1988. She is too narrow for a IAAC of that period. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DickDastardly 248 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 22 hours ago, Priscilla said: ITA-15 trial horse. https://www.kmy.nl/yachts/refit-il-moro-di-venezia-iii-maxi-80/ That bow section and the bustle ahead of the rudder are pure IOR design features. That's not an IACC boat. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla 2,481 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 1 hour ago, DickDastardly said: That bow section and the bustle ahead of the rudder are pure IOR design features. That's not an IACC boat. Yup Strider nailed it with the maxi call. Hope the owner knows it's provenance. Be interesting to see what comes out of the KM shed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strider470 2,123 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Mascalzone Latino, Napoli, Italia. A few hours ago. IMG_7129_x264.mp4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raptorsailor 310 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 1 minute ago, strider470 said: Mascalzone Latino, Napoli, Italia. A few hours ago. IMG_7129_x264.mp4 Is the boat on permanent display? And where is it in Naples? Cool photos. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strider470 2,123 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 5 minutes ago, Raptorsailor said: Is the boat on permanent display? And where is it in Naples? Cool photos. The boat is near "Molo Beverello", in front of the "Maschio Angioino" since 2007, on permanent display, but to say the truth it is more parked than valorized as it should be. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raptorsailor 310 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 1 minute ago, strider470 said: The boat is near "Molo Beverello", in front of the "Maschio Angioino" since 2007, on permanent display, but to say the truth it is more parked than valorized as it should be. Thanks, might go there this summer COVID permitting. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
winchfodder 328 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Will be interesting which parking lot will be the home of Patriot and Magic. Here are a couple dumped in Cowes, no doubt some poor sucker is still picking up the tab. Probably Sir Ben's first victim as the rule was changed to cats soon after they were shipped to the UK. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raptorsailor 310 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 9 minutes ago, winchfodder said: Will be interesting which parking lot will be the home of Patriot and Magic. Here are a couple dumped in Cowes, no doubt some poor sucker is still picking up the tab. Probably Sir Ben's first victim as the rule was changed to cats soon after they were shipped to the UK. They would look beautiful on display somehwere more prominent in Cowes considering the heritage of the place. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strider470 2,123 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 10 minutes ago, Raptorsailor said: Thanks, might go there this summer COVID permitting. Let me know when you are here around! I'm often in Napoli. Ciao 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
winchfodder 328 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 28 minutes ago, Raptorsailor said: They would look beautiful on display somehwere more prominent in Cowes considering the heritage of the place. Well if Sir Ben pulls off a miracle could be part of a RYS Cup museum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sailbydate 2,874 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Too soon? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla 2,481 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 38 minutes ago, Sailbydate said: Too soon? Scoreboard says 8 zip so not too soon Sail. Amway is on it’s way to join the other failures that reside in the NYYC model room which interestingly is a less amount of failures that can be attributed to TNZ. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TANGO QUEBEC 64 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 On 1/30/2021 at 4:30 PM, winchfodder said: Will be interesting which parking lot will be the home of Patriot and Magic. Here are a couple dumped in Cowes, no doubt some poor sucker is still picking up the tab. Probably Sir Ben's first victim as the rule was changed to cats soon after they were shipped to the UK. That would be GBR70 & 78 from the 2003 Cup, GBR Challenge, so missed the Cat cups by a way. They were, maybe still are, sat in Medina Yard, which was and maybe still is owned by Peter Harrison, Team Owner GBR Challenge. One of the former crew members now runs the yard and a fair few race boats sit there. Sorry to bust your bubble Winch... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CondorP4 1 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 On 1/27/2021 at 4:07 AM, WetHog said: Never mind. I mixed up NZL-68 with the Fast 2000 challenge SUI-59 that had the twin keels. https://www.americas-cup-history.at/english/sui 59 be happy.htm WetHog Nevertheless: NZL 68 has an interesting history itself. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Team Prada 113 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 On 31/01/2021 at 10:05 PM, Priscilla said: Scoreboard says 8 zip so not too soon Sail. Amway is on it’s way to join the other failures that reside in the NYYC model room which interestingly is a less amount of failures that can be attributed to TNZ. Imagine a hall of shame for AC losing skippers I. The modern era... 1. D Barker 2. C Dickson. 3. Rod Davis 4. ..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NZL4EVER 99 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 8 minutes ago, Baconator said: Imagine a hall of shame for AC losing skippers I. The modern era... 1. D Barker 2. C Dickson. 3. Rod Davis 4. ..... Paul Cayard Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rennmaus 2,593 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 This was a really good, sailboat related thread until you, A4E/dg_sailingfan, came here to barf your DB hate into it as well. What a sick troll you are that needs to poison each and ever thread with your obsession. Get help, this behavior is not healthy. 13 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strider470 2,123 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 5 minutes ago, NZL4EVER said: Paul Cayard Here in Italy Paul Cayard is a legend! Since the times of the Moro di Venezia back in 1992. Even people that know nothing about sailing remember him very well. The Moro is still the most successful Italian challenger so far in the America's Cup. The death of Mr Gardini and all the scandals in Italian politics of those years brought this huge project to a sudden death. In 1995 the Cup could have easily taken a different road. Gardini was much more powerful than Mr Bertelli, believe me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 1,526 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 About Alinghi 5 https://e23smmjgizuchuxt2sx3e3o74y-adwhj77lcyoafdy-www-lasprovincias-es.translate.goog/valencia-ciudad/ayuntamiento-estudia-venta-20210205171039-nt_amp.html 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raptorsailor 310 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 1 hour ago, Stingray~ said: About Alinghi 5 https://e23smmjgizuchuxt2sx3e3o74y-adwhj77lcyoafdy-www-lasprovincias-es.translate.goog/valencia-ciudad/ayuntamiento-estudia-venta-20210205171039-nt_amp.html A5 might have a slightly brighter future ahead of it ^-^ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Team Prada 113 Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 On 07/02/2021 at 9:36 AM, Rennmaus said: This was a really good, sailboat related thread until you, A4E/dg_sailingfan, came here to barf your DB hate into it as well. What a sick troll you are that needs to poison each and ever thread with your obsession. Get help, this behavior is not healthy. That's great ... You're trolling a troll with your septic comments. .. that makes you a super troll with less morals or ethics than me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Team Prada 113 Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 On 07/02/2021 at 9:28 AM, NZL4EVER said: Paul Cayard Tom blackaller. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pusslicker 308 Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 2 hours ago, Baconator said: Tom blackaller. I don't remember Blackaller or Dickson in the AC. Or Rod Davis. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WetHog 568 Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 14 hours ago, Stingray~ said: About Alinghi 5 https://e23smmjgizuchuxt2sx3e3o74y-adwhj77lcyoafdy-www-lasprovincias-es.translate.goog/valencia-ciudad/ayuntamiento-estudia-venta-20210205171039-nt_amp.html And that the IACC boat next to it was the simulator next to the Alinghi base during AC32. WetHog Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla 2,481 Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 11 hours ago, pusslicker said: I don't remember Blackaller or Dickson in the AC. Or Rod Davis. Talking of Rod Davis he’s a keen fan of the 200 series block both inside and out. https://www.mercerandmercer.co.nz/orakei-house Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pusslicker 308 Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 36 minutes ago, Priscilla said: Talking of Rod Davis he’s a keen fan of the 200 series block both inside and out. https://www.mercerandmercer.co.nz/orakei-house That shit doesn't ever look good. Even on the inside of a trendy brewery. Maybe he doesn't spend any time there. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kiwing 446 Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 1 hour ago, Priscilla said: Talking of Rod Davis he’s a keen fan of the 200 series block both inside and out. https://www.mercerandmercer.co.nz/orakei-house Actually I like it, real form and function. Love the wooden curtain/window good for hangovers? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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