Rantifarian 7 Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Ya know, if you out someone on ignore, their posts don't show up anymore? So if you are truly offended by the drivel they are posting, rather than just looking for an internet fight, you can ignore their comments in perfect contentment Link to post Share on other sites
eastern motors 113 Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Why does every god damn thread here devolve into "shut up doug"! Can we all just accept that he's a frequent contributor and he'll keep calling them UptiP, and just move on? Because he says things like this is "actual speed". He's not a contributor. He's a moron. Another video of Williwaw-actual speed. Proof positive that you can cruise a foiler: Link to post Share on other sites
bushsailor 96 Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 yes all the wankers that criticise Doug continually are way more annoying than Dougs posts. Were you all bullies at school?? I feel sorry for you all, you must have shitty lives but it is still bloody annoying. Link to post Share on other sites
r.finn 409 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Confronting DL is a sad endeavor, defending him is worse. Let sleeping dogs die. Learn to block. Link to post Share on other sites
STYacht.com 5 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Meanwhile, the first G4 has shipped. Here you find some more images and a stress testing video. https://www.facebook.com/pages/ST-Yacht/188021944549351 https://www.facebook.com/hollandcomposites https://www.facebook.com/188021944549351/photos/a.561197570565118.125821.188021944549351/950569791627892/?type=1 Just did the final VPP, and yep, she is going to fly. Link to post Share on other sites
Doug Lord 1,219 Posted March 18, 2015 Author Share Posted March 18, 2015 Thanks, Doug! Link to post Share on other sites
MauganTornado 4 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 My buddy Boyle works for GB and has been telling me how cool the G4 is going to be since back in October when he told me that it was going to fully foil. I didn't believe him then, but seeing that foil load test video on facebook... man... that looks like good stuff. Link to post Share on other sites
Doug Lord 1,219 Posted March 19, 2015 Author Share Posted March 19, 2015 Heres the stress testing video Doug posted in youtube format: Link to post Share on other sites
soma 804 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Pretty brave/confident of the dude in the hard hat. If that thing blew up I wouldn't want to be close. Link to post Share on other sites
Rasputin22 2,836 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Pretty brave/confident of the dude in the hard hat. If that thing blew up I wouldn't want to be close. My thoughts exactly. I would want a flak jacket along with that hardhat! Maybe a catchers cup as well... Link to post Share on other sites
Boink 679 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 I was surprised how far down the vertical that they replicated the bottom bearing surface (hull exit point for simplification), It translates to being just immediately left of the central vertical yellow steel piece that has Test Rig Foil written on it in black lettering. The tip of the L shape is not a long way below where the bottom of the hull is, suggesting it will ventilate early upon the boat lifting out on its foils. The foil length (or ratio) looks short compared to what we are used to seeing in AC cats, FP's and Nacra FCS etc.... It is all well and good showing the foil in increasing but ultimately static loading - but is it not the shock loading that will kill the foil or case structure first? I'd want to be pulling that chain through a small opening of serious steel plating - I even flinched when the cameraman walked around the tip end of the rig - he would be FUBAR if the foil, rig or chain block had failed. I still want one..... even if it doesn't foil. Link to post Share on other sites
floater 41 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Melvin designed foil? Link to post Share on other sites
STYacht.com 5 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 M/M is not involved in the project. Shape and engineering is by DNA design team, of which ST is proud to be part of, starting with this project. The man in the hard hat is Pieterjan, director of Holland Composites. He and I developed the laminate of these foils in close collaboration. It is safe to say, he is not just some guy pulling the chain, he literally made that foil by hand. As for safety, we know how it would break if it were to break. He is in a pretty safe spot. Link to post Share on other sites
floater 41 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Thx. Those foils are marvels of both engineering and design. Best of luck. Link to post Share on other sites
nroose 220 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 M/M is not involved in the project. Shape and engineering is by DNA design team, of which ST is proud to be part of, starting with this project. The man in the hard hat is Pieterjan, director of Holland Composites. He and I developed the laminate of these foils in close collaboration. It is safe to say, he is not just some guy pulling the chain, he literally made that foil by hand. As for safety, we know how it would break if it were to break. He is in a pretty safe spot. Nice work! Link to post Share on other sites
Boink 679 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Hey Doug (ST Yacht) nice to see your input here - Have I interpreted the overall length of foil correctly? Is the point of contact on the test rig, the approximate hull exit point? Can you share any details of foil control mechanism - both range, rate of adjustment and frequency etc. Any bearing details that you can share with us? As you are not running an onboard diesel - how long will the battery system provide foil control power for? Or is this a manually powered system? All the details you can share please? Cheers & Good Luck. Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,967 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 M/M is not involved in the project. Shape and engineering is by DNA design team, of which ST is proud to be part of, starting with this project. The man in the hard hat is Pieterjan, director of Holland Composites. He and I developed the laminate of these foils in close collaboration. It is safe to say, he is not just some guy pulling the chain, he literally made that foil by hand. As for safety, we know how it would break if it were to break. He is in a pretty safe spot. I'd still have some sort of steel containment mesh welded all around that test jig, thats just me though. Still, a great example of engineering and building in composites Link to post Share on other sites
lucdekeyser 21 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 As for safety, we know how it would break if it were to break. He is in a pretty safe spot. Is this a theoretical knowledge or did you do experiments to find out? Do you have any clips of those? The adjective "pretty" is not a happy one in this context. Do you know what it would take hitting and deforming the leading edge of the foil to change its hydrodynamic characteristics such that it would change the boat's pitch, yaw or roll suddenly enough to warrant "seat belts" at speed? Thank you in advance. Link to post Share on other sites
STYacht.com 5 Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 As for safety, we know how it would break if it were to break. He is in a pretty safe spot. Is this a theoretical knowledge or did you do experiments to find out? A combination of theory, on-board experience, simulation and physical testing. Sorry no clips for distribution, that is others IP. The lead edge will not deform as you describe, short of hitting a container. Deceleration is a real concern, but seat belts? Foot straps is more like it. Link to post Share on other sites
STYacht.com 5 Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Hey Doug (ST Yacht) nice to see your input here - Have I interpreted the overall length of foil correctly? Is the point of contact on the test rig, the approximate hull exit point? Can you share any details of foil control mechanism - both range, rate of adjustment and frequency etc. Any bearing details that you can share with us? As you are not running an onboard diesel - how long will the battery system provide foil control power for? Or is this a manually powered system? All the details you can share please? Cheers & Good Luck. That is the lower bearing yes. The boards were tested at the point of extension for which we intend to use them at flight when boat is fully loaded. They are marked accordingly. But, the "downhaul" strap did stretch a bunch, so it looks a little different than it actually will be on board. Cannot share on controls. Link to post Share on other sites
groper 0 Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Hey Doug (ST Yacht) nice to see your input here - Have I interpreted the overall length of foil correctly? Is the point of contact on the test rig, the approximate hull exit point? Can you share any details of foil control mechanism - both range, rate of adjustment and frequency etc. Any bearing details that you can share with us? As you are not running an onboard diesel - how long will the battery system provide foil control power for? Or is this a manually powered system? All the details you can share please? Cheers & Good Luck. That is the lower bearing yes. The boards were tested at the point of extension for which we intend to use them at flight when boat is fully loaded. They are marked accordingly. But, the "downhaul" strap did stretch a bunch, so it looks a little different than it actually will be on board. Cannot share on controls. Do you have a particular antifouling coating in mind for these foils so that the surface stays very smooth and can still repel marine growth? Link to post Share on other sites
us7070 294 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Meanwhile, the first G4 has shipped. Here you find some more images and a stress testing video. https://www.facebook.com/pages/ST-Yacht/188021944549351 https://www.facebook.com/hollandcomposites https://www.facebook.com/188021944549351/photos/a.561197570565118.125821.188021944549351/950569791627892/?type=1 Just did the final VPP, and yep, she is going to fly. No sea trial at the factory? Link to post Share on other sites
J/120 1 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Because the computer says so. Shall we talk to their new wizard? Link to post Share on other sites
J/120 1 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Mark, what reinforcement would you prioritize? Link to post Share on other sites
us7070 294 Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 A bunch of closeup pics were posted yesterday to the GB FB page Looks pretty cool Link to post Share on other sites
ProaSailor 417 Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 A bunch of closeup pics were posted yesterday to the GB FB page Looks pretty cool https://www.facebook.com/gunboatcatamarans Two things: 1) The hatches have a lot of windage when open! 2) The galley in the middle of the cockpit has very little protection from the weather! Hey, this is VERY COOL!!! Peter Johnstone bought the CLC proa Madness!? Link to post Share on other sites
eastern motors 113 Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 How much does it cost? What one new cruising boat and one new racing boat could you get for the same price? Link to post Share on other sites
ProaSailor 417 Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 found this cool detail for adjusting G4 foil pitch in this December, 2014 Yachting World article: Gunboat G4: the first flying cruising yacht could hit 40 knots. “It’s the baddest-ass coastal cruiser ever”http://www.yachtingworld.com/blogs/toby-hodges-blog/gunboat-g4-the-first-flying-cruising-yacht-60719 The first G4 is due to launch in time for the Miami show in February. It is hoped that Antigua Sailing Week in May will be her first event. Link to post Share on other sites
MauganTornado 4 Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 A birdie told me that a second G4 is on order. Link to post Share on other sites
Rasputin22 2,836 Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 A birdie told me that a second G4 is on order. You didn't?! Link to post Share on other sites
darth reapius 193 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Big call seeing as the first one hasn't hit the water yet?Could wait a week or two and see what happens with boat 01, as with all boats big changes are made once they start moving! (Plus it'd be nice to see it in motion before splurging for one)Sorry Peter Johnstone that's my $0.02 PS. You might be a week off having (In my opinion) the best, coolest boat ever made. Link to post Share on other sites
MauganTornado 4 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 A birdie told me that a second G4 is on order. You didn't?! LOL I wish. Link to post Share on other sites
us7070 294 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 There are a few more pics - this time on PJ's FB page Link to post Share on other sites
ProaSailor 417 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 There are a few more pics - this time on PJ's FB page Hide and seek, eh? WTF is up with that unprotected galley in the middle of the cockpit? Link to post Share on other sites
STYacht.com 5 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 There are a few more pics - this time on PJ's FB page Hide and seek, eh? WTF is up with that unprotected galley in the middle of the cockpit? it is much easier to unbolt and leave on the dock. This is not a craft for deep ocean transits. Think cafe racer. Only more daiquiri racer. Link to post Share on other sites
us7070 294 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 There are a few more pics - this time on PJ's FB page Hide and seek, eh? WTF is up with that unprotected galley in the middle of the cockpit? it is much easier to unbolt and leave on the dock. This is not a craft for deep ocean transits. Think cafe racer. Only more daiquiri racer. Is it removable? For a race all you would need is a jetboil down below Link to post Share on other sites
STYacht.com 5 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 There are a few more pics - this time on PJ's FB page Hide and seek, eh? WTF is up with that unprotected galley in the middle of the cockpit? it is much easier to unbolt and leave on the dock. This is not a craft for deep ocean transits. Think cafe racer. Only more daiquiri racer. Is it removable? For a race all you would need is a jetboil down below Again, full disclosure - I have been working with DNA on the design and engineering of this boat, but I am not its designer. Yes the galley is removable. No there is not a whole lot down below - certainly no stove. The boat has structure and stability for Cat B - offshore, like any TP52, but it is really not the kind of boat you are going to take 6 hungry souls on a 600 nm offshore race. Be realistic about what the galley is there for. Link to post Share on other sites
Amati 1,523 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 A bunch of closeup pics were posted yesterday to the GB FB page Looks pretty cool https://www.facebook.com/gunboatcatamarans Two things: 1) The hatches have a lot of windage when open! 2) The galley in the middle of the cockpit has very little protection from the weather! Hey, this is VERY COOL!!! Peter Johnstone bought the CLC proa Madness!? It is a logical progression, captain..... Link to post Share on other sites
ProaSailor 417 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 There are a few more pics - this time on PJ's FB page Hide and seek, eh? WTF is up with that unprotected galley in the middle of the cockpit? it is much easier to unbolt and leave on the dock. This is not a craft for deep ocean transits. Think cafe racer. Only more daiquiri racer. Is it removable? For a race all you would need is a jetboil down below Again, full disclosure - I have been working with DNA on the design and engineering of this boat, but I am not its designer. Yes the galley is removable. No there is not a whole lot down below - certainly no stove. The boat has structure and stability for Cat B - offshore, like any TP52, but it is really not the kind of boat you are going to take 6 hungry souls on a 600 nm offshore race. Be realistic about what the galley is there for. So this boat is a day sailer, not a "cruiser"? The cockpit galley will be useful only when the boat is anchored or on a mooring and when it's not raining. At a dock, wind from anywhere other than the bow will make the galley stove useless. Makes me wonder why they bothered with a salon and galley at all?. Link to post Share on other sites
us7070 294 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 If it's removable, it's probably an option I think the galley concept makes sense - at least for some owners You are probably not going to use the galley underway and once you are anchored you can set up a boom tent or something. This is not meant to be a luxury cruising cat - if you think you might need something underway, a removable jetboil as I suggested above will work perfectly well It's obviouly not a boat for everyone To me it's a performance day sailer with minimal overnight capability - there is a big market for boats in that category It will also probably be a great boat for coastal distance racing - races up to a few days I guess we will see whether it's a good offshore race boat - it might be Link to post Share on other sites
F18 Sailor 290 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 "Not meant to be a luxury cruising cat"....price tag might say otherwise and make some potential owners' wives flinch! Link to post Share on other sites
ProaSailor 417 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 It's obviouly not a boat for everyone Obviously! Or did you mean "It's obviouly not a boat for every multi-millionaire"? Link to post Share on other sites
STYacht.com 5 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Proa, go to Peter Johnstone's FB and look at the pictures. You decide what you want to call it. I don't think it is a cruiser in the same vein as the Gunboat 60. But it is a damned good looking boat, you can stay on board for some time. oh and is very light and sails well in excess of 30 knots. Just not around the world. Link to post Share on other sites
LMI 2 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Proa, go to Peter Johnstone's FB and look at the pictures. You decide what you want to call it. I don't think it is a cruiser in the same vein as the Gunboat 60. But it is a damned good looking boat, you can stay on board for some time. oh and is very light and sails well in excess of 30 knots. Just not around the world. The boat makes me wet but it has not gotten wet. Maybe you could wait until it actually get on the water and goes sailing before making such claims? Link to post Share on other sites
bjalgera 0 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Proa, go to Peter Johnstone's FB and look at the pictures. You decide what you want to call it. I don't think it is a cruiser in the same vein as the Gunboat 60. But it is a damned good looking boat, you can stay on board for some time. oh and is very light and sails well in excess of 30 knots. Just not around the world. The boat makes me wet but it has not gotten wet. Maybe you could wait until it actually get on the water and goes sailing before making such claims? I don't know about 30kts, but it has gotten wet... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw-oBqn725I Link to post Share on other sites
LMI 2 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Proa, go to Peter Johnstone's FB and look at the pictures. You decide what you want to call it. I don't think it is a cruiser in the same vein as the Gunboat 60. But it is a damned good looking boat, you can stay on board for some time. oh and is very light and sails well in excess of 30 knots. Just not around the world. The boat makes me wet but it has not gotten wet. Maybe you could wait until it actually get on the water and goes sailing before making such claims? I don't know about 30kts, but it has gotten wet... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw-oBqn725I Oh goodness me. Not the proa. The G4. I'm not a hippie. Link to post Share on other sites
bjalgera 0 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Proa, go to Peter Johnstone's FB and look at the pictures. You decide what you want to call it. I don't think it is a cruiser in the same vein as the Gunboat 60. But it is a damned good looking boat, you can stay on board for some time. oh and is very light and sails well in excess of 30 knots. Just not around the world. The boat makes me wet but it has not gotten wet. Maybe you could wait until it actually get on the water and goes sailing before making such claims? I don't know about 30kts, but it has gotten wet... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw-oBqn725I Oh goodness me. Not the proa. The G4. I'm not a hippie. Ah, got it... I misinterpreted your post From what I'm used to sailing, Madness is a huge step up and looks luxurious Link to post Share on other sites
STYacht.com 5 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Proa, go to Peter Johnstone's FB and look at the pictures. You decide what you want to call it. I don't think it is a cruiser in the same vein as the Gunboat 60. But it is a damned good looking boat, you can stay on board for some time. oh and is very light and sails well in excess of 30 knots. Just not around the world. The boat makes me wet but it has not gotten wet. Maybe you could wait until it actually get on the water and goes sailing before making such claims? nope. Apparently not. Link to post Share on other sites
Amati 1,523 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 A proa could fit in with Gunboats emerging aesthetic- 'Bucket List' by Rob Denney http://www.catsailingnews.com/2015/02/bucket-list-q-with-rob-denney.html Link to post Share on other sites
us7070 294 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Proa, go to Peter Johnstone's FB and look at the pictures. You decide what you want to call it. I don't think it is a cruiser in the same vein as the Gunboat 60. But it is a damned good looking boat, you can stay on board for some time. oh and is very light and sails well in excess of 30 knots. Just not around the world. The boat makes me wet but it has not gotten wet. Maybe you could wait until it actually get on the water and goes sailing before making such claims? nope. Apparently not. Well, there are plenty of pics of the G4 in the water and wet on FB, but so far no pics of it sailing Link to post Share on other sites
STYacht.com 5 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 ^ here is one of it in the water. Can't be long now. Link to post Share on other sites
Rasputin22 2,836 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Hulls look like 50 footer that got the last 5 feet chopped off. May just do a reverse pitchpole and fall over backwards! Link to post Share on other sites
soma 804 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Hulls look like 50 footer that got the last 5 feet chopped off. May just do a reverse pitchpole and fall over backwards! Remember the first ac45 that flipped? Lunch break while sailing, tripped over transoms while inadvertently sailing in reverse. Not the coolest capsize story out there. Link to post Share on other sites
Rasputin22 2,836 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Soma, that was exactly the incident that prompted my comment. At least the G45 doesn't have the scoops to further dig in. Did the AC 45 go all the way over? I thought that they recovered from that one. I have flipped over the sterns on my Prindle 15 during a tack when I couldn't flip the trap ring off the harness hook. Link to post Share on other sites
geekatlrg 0 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 looks like gunboat has some competition. The Leopard 40F is our first in the line of foiling cruising cats. The Leopard 40F can reach a top speed of 40 knots, making ocean crossings both comfortable and fast! Link to post Share on other sites
alphafb552 553 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 looks like gunboat has some competition. The Leopard 40F is our first in the line of foiling cruising cats. The Leopard 40F can reach a top speed of 40 knots, making ocean crossings both comfortable and fast! You're a day late... Link to post Share on other sites
paxfish 0 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Do you have a particular antifouling coating in mind for these foils so that the surface stays very smooth and can still repel marine growth? I would keep it on a lift(s) or haul it every time. Looks like a wild ride! Link to post Share on other sites
STYacht.com 5 Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Mobile device not happy to paste links. On Peter Johnstone fb page first and second day sailing. Good start. Link to post Share on other sites
cfarrah 1 Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 She's a beauty... let's see her fly! Link to post Share on other sites
Doug Lord 1,219 Posted April 3, 2015 Author Share Posted April 3, 2015 ^ here is one of it in the water. Can't be long now. Looks terrific ,Doug! Link to post Share on other sites
ProaSailor 417 Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Mobile device not happy to paste links. On Peter Johnstone fb page first and second day sailing. Good start. You must be referring to this page? https://www.facebook.com/gunboatcatamarans Methodically putting the new G4 through her paces. Awesome machine. We expect to work up to full foiling within the week. Link to post Share on other sites
us7070 294 Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Looks fantastic Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 987 Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Looking good... Link to post Share on other sites
cfarrah 1 Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Peter... stop smiling. Link to post Share on other sites
zzarganas 3 Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 This thing is foiling??? Link to post Share on other sites
ProaSailor 417 Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 This thing is foiling??? Not yet but is intended to, yes: "full foiling within the week" is the goal. Link to post Share on other sites
B30 0 Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 This is the most exciting new boat to come out in many years. I hope it lives up the hype. Link to post Share on other sites
us7070 294 Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Assuming it can foil..., Is there any other foiling cat wit overnight accommodations? Hydroptere - a tri - but it's not as if you can just order one. This is meant to be a production boat - not a one-off Link to post Share on other sites
Amati 1,523 Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 looks like gunboat has some competition. The Leopard 40F is our first in the line of foiling cruising cats. The Leopard 40F can reach a top speed of 40 knots, making ocean crossings both comfortable and fast! Link to post Share on other sites
cfarrah 1 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Peter... any news? If you've never sailed where he is right now, it's prime ground for foiling. Can't wait to see the numbers this ride puts up. It's like the J130 sport boat - crazy fast, with simple accommodations, but built to be crazy fast... If you are trying to sleep on this thing, make sure your feet are facing the bow Link to post Share on other sites
teamvmg 105 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 If you are trying to sleep on this thing, make sure your feet are facing the bow .....and fast your seat belt if you are on the crapper! Link to post Share on other sites
Excoded Tom 1,589 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Proa, go to Peter Johnstone's FB and look at the pictures. You decide what you want to call it. I don't think it is a cruiser in the same vein as the Gunboat 60. But it is a damned good looking boat, you can stay on board for some time. oh and is very light and sails well in excess of 30 knots. Just not around the world. The boat makes me wet but it has not gotten wet. Maybe you could wait until it actually get on the water and goes sailing before making such claims? nope. Apparently not. So does it sail well in excess of 30 knots with the galley? Is the blender 12 volt, 24, or 110 with inverter? How many batches between battery charges? Does the 30 knot speed allow for enough ice for all those batches? How do you keep the salt for the Margarita's from blowing around at those speeds? Inebriated minds want to know. Link to post Share on other sites
AYACHT 2 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 I don't think it will foil. Maybe for very short burst but not more. Link to post Share on other sites
us7070 294 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 I don't think it will foil. Maybe for very short burst but not more. Well, we will see If I am understanding correctly, styacht is saying that his engineering study indicates it will foil In any case, it takes a certain amount of courage for a builder to attempt something like a foiling cruising boat, in such a public fashion. Not everything works the first time and it's no shame to not get it right on the first try- although I am sure plenty here will not be very kind if it does have difficulty foiling Link to post Share on other sites
bloodshot 90 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 from Scuttlebutt Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 987 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Gets better with every picture........ Now, some video would be nice as well...... Link to post Share on other sites
ProaSailor 417 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 from Scuttlebutt BRAVO! Foiling in style. Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,507 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 High Five Link to post Share on other sites
us7070 294 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Cool Video will be interesting Did we ever learn the price of one of these things? I'm guessing $2M ready to sail Link to post Share on other sites
Foghorn77 16 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Cool Video will be interesting Did we ever learn the price of one of these things? I'm guessing $2M ready to sail I believe your guess is way high. I guess sub $1M maybe even $750k. Link to post Share on other sites
us7070 294 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Cool Video will be interesting Did we ever learn the price of one of these things? I'm guessing $2M ready to sail I believe your guess is way high. I guess sub $1M maybe even $750k.Maybe... I'm basing that guess on my assumption that there is a huge amount of skilled labor involved in building one of these It's probaly built out of some kind of high-modulus carbon- not the normal boat building carbon... Even a ker 40 can be $700k ready to sail I woulnt be shocked to hear that the G4 mast is $250k Link to post Share on other sites
Doug Lord 1,219 Posted April 6, 2015 Author Share Posted April 6, 2015 Wow is that cool! Another "can't be done" down the drain. Congratulations to the whole Team! The first production cruising foiler in the history of mankind!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
Spin Echo 2 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Cool Video will be interesting Did we ever learn the price of one of these things? I'm guessing $2M ready to sail I believe your guess is way high. I guess sub $1M maybe even $750k.Maybe... I'm basing that guess on my assumption that there is a huge amount of skilled labor involved in building one of these It's probaly built out of some kind of high-modulus carbon- not the normal boat building carbon... Even a ker 40 can be $700k ready to sail I woulnt be shocked to hear that the G4 mast is $250k Sig 45 starts around 1.1, so this one definitely going to be 2 or more. Link to post Share on other sites
STYacht.com 5 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Cool Video will be interesting Did we ever learn the price of one of these things? I'm guessing $2M ready to sail I believe your guess is way high. I guess sub $1M maybe even $750k.Maybe... I'm basing that guess on my assumption that there is a huge amount of skilled labor involved in building one of these It's probaly built out of some kind of high-modulus carbon- not the normal boat building carbon... Even a ker 40 can be $700k ready to sail I woulnt be shocked to hear that the G4 mast is $250k It is normal modulus carbon fibre prepreg on nomex core. Not too exotic. Design is for full production to keep unit costs low. Big investment of course. Foils require a fair bit of carbon and work. I think Peter will rock your assumptions when it comes to price. By the way, it foils. Grin. Willing to bet those pictures are boat speeds of 28 to 32 knots. Link to post Share on other sites
us7070 294 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Are there more in build now? Link to post Share on other sites
ProaSailor 417 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 I can see 36 hours of cruising/racing between ports. Beyond that would be less and less fun for a full foiling team. Wow is that cool! Another "can't be done" down the drain. Congratulations to the whole Team! The first production cruising foiler in the history of mankind!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
us7070 294 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 I can see 36 hours of cruising/racing between ports. Beyond that would be less and less fun for a full foiling team. Wow is that cool! Another "can't be done" down the drain. Congratulations to the whole Team! The first production cruising foiler in the history of mankind!!!! Well you don't have to foil the whole time- if you are cruising and it gets uncomfortable, you can always just sail it in the water Link to post Share on other sites
RandyM81 73 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 I can see 36 hours of cruising/racing between ports. Beyond that would be less and less fun for a full foiling team. Wow is that cool! Another "can't be done" down the drain. Congratulations to the whole Team! The first production cruising foiler in the history of mankind!!!! Looks plenty fun to me! Link to post Share on other sites
Spin Echo 2 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Foiling is way more comfortable than sailing through the swells. Link to post Share on other sites
us7070 294 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Foiling is way more comfortable than sailing through the swells. As long as it is stable - if it's up and down like I ve seen other boats do, it might get kind of tiring after, say , a day or so Anyway - I'd love to do a Vineyard Race on one of these- 240 miles seems like a good distance for the boat Link to post Share on other sites
Spin Echo 2 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Foiling is way more comfortable than sailing through the swells. As long as it is stable - if it's up and down like I ve seen other boats do, it might get kind of tiring after, say , a day or so Anyway - I'd love to do a Vineyard Race on one of these- 240 miles seems like a good distance for the boat You are right, it might get tiring, however at these speeds whether foiling or not, its no longer relaxing cruising. Its hold on to your socks sailing requiring a skilled crew. Link to post Share on other sites
ProaSailor 417 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 I can see 36 hours of cruising/racing between ports. Beyond that would be less and less fun for a full foiling team. Wow is that cool! Another "can't be done" down the drain. Congratulations to the whole Team! The first production cruising foiler in the history of mankind!!!! Well you don't have to foil the whole time- if you are cruising and it gets uncomfortable, you can always just sail it in the water I was thinking of having a crew of six (or more?) on the boat for 48 hours or more ... Not concerned about the motion through the water but the semi-spartan conditions below for sleeping and cooking while foiling. Cruising ("bluewater") implies sailing 24/7 for long passages, so how many on-watch crew are needed to foil this boat? Double or triple that for 24/7 full compliment? Will the positions and weights of the off watch crew affect the foiling? This boat is amazing and super cool, no doubt about it. Calling it a cruiser though is a bit of a stretch for me. Link to post Share on other sites
us7070 294 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 It's a day sailer with some overnight ability- a weekender I think you could do a vineyard race with 4 people pretty easily Link to post Share on other sites
GauchoGreg 229 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Cool Video will be interesting Did we ever learn the price of one of these things? I'm guessing $2M ready to sail I believe your guess is way high. I guess sub $1M maybe even $750k.Maybe... I'm basing that guess on my assumption that there is a huge amount of skilled labor involved in building one of these It's probaly built out of some kind of high-modulus carbon- not the normal boat building carbon... Even a ker 40 can be $700k ready to sail I woulnt be shocked to hear that the G4 mast is $250k It is normal modulus carbon fibre prepreg on nomex core. Not too exotic. Design is for full production to keep unit costs low. Big investment of course. Foils require a fair bit of carbon and work. I think Peter will rock your assumptions when it comes to price. By the way, it foils. Grin. Willing to bet those pictures are boat speeds of 28 to 32 knots. Fricking awesome. Congrats! Link to post Share on other sites
Doug Lord 1,219 Posted April 6, 2015 Author Share Posted April 6, 2015 It's a day sailer with some overnight ability- a weekender I think you could do a vineyard race with 4 people pretty easily Is this boat a daysailer/weekender too: http://www.jesterinfo.org/jester.html Link to post Share on other sites
us7070 294 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 It's a day sailer with some overnight ability- a weekender I think you could do a vineyard race with 4 people pretty easily Is this boat a daysailer/weekender too: http://www.jesterinfo.org/jester.html For me.... Yes Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 3,911 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Just off the phone with one of the test foilers...she flies just beautifully. Downwind full foiling @ 25-30 knots in the usual trade wind conditions, upwind not quite foiling but very much displacement-reduced and a gentle ride @ 14-17 knots. Total newb driving reminded me of my own report after sailing the GC32: "So easy to drive!" High res photos coming in a couple hours along with a quick report. Bravo, PJ and team. Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 3,911 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 From A-Catter Ben Hall (Hall Spars): "An epic day of sailing the new Gunboat G4! The orange rocket handled the 18-20 kt breezes off St Maarten with ease. Foiling was fast and steady. I got to drive upwind and hit 15.4 kts...incredible! Downwind with R1 we peaked out at 25.7. On the foils we had really good VMG with TWA of about 160. On the final burn into the harbor with the solent and full main the top speed was 29.7. Probably one of the best days of sailing ever for me...all on a boat with a cruising interior, a nice fridge and stove, electric sail drive and cockpit for the best of parties. Truly remarkable." Link to post Share on other sites
STYacht.com 5 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Nice Clean, and thanks Ben for the decimal place precise results! Link to post Share on other sites
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