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1 hour ago, IStream said:

Those redneck southern Canadians might as well be US citizens. Make it official and move up north to the US, the scenery's just as nice!

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Hence the visit by the Church or the Holy Cleat...

He is starting with the easy pickin's on VI...:huh:

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That is true for short and medium term profit, which is what both management and wall street really care about.   It is really NOT the way to long term profit, rather it is often the way to long term

Point of Information, you are describing our parliament but it's an easy mistake to make.

Way up thread I think I proposed using powder actuated fasteners. These will drive a 20 penny spike through the flange of a steel I beam. You could jump off the boat, and have 4 cleats down before the

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The scenery and the Bull Rails - like a train wreck you just can't look away. I was actually trying to get through Bull Rail Land and back Amer'ca. Ish you will note that if you go a little further north and a little further west you are back there. You can see Russia from there I'm told. Trying to get there but my upgrade program has bogged down as boat projects do, so I've stopped off in Sidney for a few weeks. 

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2 hours ago, DDW said:

The scenery and the Bull Rails - like a train wreck you just can't look away. I was actually trying to get through Bull Rail Land and back Amer'ca. Ish you will note that if you go a little further north and a little further west you are back there. You can see Russia from there I'm told. Trying to get there but my upgrade program has bogged down as boat projects do, so I've stopped off in Sidney for a few weeks. 

I'd love to buy you a beer if we can meet up. We leave for points east on Sunday, returning in a couple of weeks, but we may have time.

Note to robbers: we have housesitters and enough cats to keep you sneezing for weeks. Don't even think of it.

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11 hours ago, Ishmael said:

I'd love to buy you a beer if we can meet up. We leave for points east on Sunday, returning in a couple of weeks, but we may have time.

Note to robbers: we have housesitters and enough cats to keep you sneezing for weeks. Don't even think of it.

 

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On 5/6/2019 at 10:52 PM, Norse Horse said:

Wait, the ice hasn't melted past Hornby Island yet...

Lies.

Just got back from a week cruise to Pender Harbour, Lund, Cortes, Desolation, Shoal Bay, Johnson Strait, Robson Bight (no whales), Broughtons and Port McNeill.

No ice anywhere, nothing but clear skies, fair currents and wind on the nose. Yucultas and Dent rapids were a 10 knot sleigh ride with 2 foot deep whirlpools up to 40' across. :blink:

Cleats and no bull rails in Port Mcneill.

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With the weather in the PNW as it is the last week or so, if there were ice it's gone now. Another few years it'll me like the subtropics up there. 

Which marina in Port McNeill? The private one has bull rails as I recall. Not sure about the muni.

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Not sure about the ownership - there seemed to be three separate operations in the harbour. We were only there overnight so I didn't garner any local knowledge.

I did see possibly the best zombie, the best COTB and the best ugly dodger ever, or rather the worst of each, but I didn't have a camera with me. :angry:

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Hunter 38. It was a positioning trip for a trip around the island next month. Motored the whole way and had fair currents of up to 6 knots every day. image.png.693d6212a7e02f86f04a737ff2bc012e.pngimage.png.cae46aa10a024bc083766abb25b849a1.png

It was an easy, comfortable trip - just noisy. The owner had just had 10 grand of electronics installed and wanted to set up and check everything out before the serious part of the trip over Nahwitti bar and down the outside.

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Went through Yaculta in a 90 foot power yacht, 20 minutes late (after slack).  Christian Dior China all busted up, Milk and egg slurry washing the floor of the walk-in fridge.  Teak deck furniture banging side to side on the upper deck. Etc.

Owner of boat was driving.  I just cleaned up the mess.  

Steve

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I had no idea we were being so manly - just thought it was exciting. We had the presence of mind to batten down before starting out so only a few books hit the floor.

Of course when I was young and immortal I went through Gabriola pass at full flood on a 20' bilge keeler - mostly because I didn't know any better. Saw a 26' Haida do a full 360 in a whirlpool that time but I was smart enough to stay in the middle where it was smoother.

This time we only got jolted around a bit. It is an eye opener when a 10 ton boat gets yanked about 40 degrees off course by the eddys

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7 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

I had no idea we were being so manly - just thought it was exciting. We had the presence of mind to batten down before starting out so only a few books hit the floor.

Of course when I was young and immortal I went through Gabriola pass at full flood on a 20' bilge keeler - mostly because I didn't know any better. Saw a 26' Haida do a full 360 in a whirlpool that time but I was smart enough to stay in the middle where it was smoother.

This time we only got jolted around a bit. It is an eye opener when a 10 ton boat gets yanked about 40 degrees off course by the eddys

I remember coming out of Princess Louisa when Malibu was running on a good ebb when I was young and foolish.  Tide was pretty low, thought I was going to snap my tiller trying to make the corner before the rock.

It was in the days before GPS, but would have loved to know what my SOG was.

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That 'splains it.  I took a few of those at moderate current.  Sporty but very gratifying with 6-7 knots boats peed (I think I'll leave that Freudian typo right there) and 5 or 7 knots current.  Don't know if its proper practice but I figured, with my lack of keel, if I pulled the dagger board up 7/8 it would reduce skittering.  Maybe like a skate bug on a pond; above it all.   Also engine  wound up, on high.   It worked, I'm still here.

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On 5/13/2019 at 6:21 PM, SloopJonB said:

Hunter 38. It was a positioning trip for a trip around the island next month. Motored the whole way and had fair currents of up to 6 knots every day. image.png.693d6212a7e02f86f04a737ff2bc012e.pngimage.png.cae46aa10a024bc083766abb25b849a1.png

It was an easy, comfortable trip - just noisy. The owner had just had 10 grand of electronics installed and wanted to set up and check everything out before the serious part of the trip over Nahwitti bar and down the outside.

We took some advice, skipped Nahwitti, and went inside the kelp close to shore, no issues at all. Biggest bull kelp I have ever seen.

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Bull Rail Nation.

Vancouver Island and her satellite  islands push to become Canada's 11th province to preserve the bull rail way of life.

https://www.vicnews.com/news/vancouver-island-party-lays-out-its-declaration-of-independence-from-bc/

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https://www.pqbnews.com/news/how-the-vancouver-island-flag-flew-under-the-radar-for-over-a-century/

Check out Seattle's city flag at the end of the article in this link. Sooke’s ‘foreign flag’ flies proudly in the town’s centre – Victoria News

 

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1 hour ago, Norse Horse said:

Bull Rail Nation.

Vancouver Island and her satellite  islands push to become Canada's 11th province to preserve the bull rail way of life.

https://www.vicnews.com/news/vancouver-island-party-lays-out-its-declaration-of-independence-from-bc/

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https://www.pqbnews.com/news/how-the-vancouver-island-flag-flew-under-the-radar-for-over-a-century/

Check out Seattle's city flag at the end of the article in this link. Sooke’s ‘foreign flag’ flies proudly in the town’s centre – Victoria News

 

Bridge to the mainland, free ferries, light rail part of newly launched political party vision for becoming Canada's 11th province.

Bridge to the mainland, free ferries? Fuck that, we'll be inundated by homeless people and tourists.

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Yes, with a federal election in 4 months, far better to just separate from Canada, declare a distinct society or a colony of Britain, control sea access to Vancouver and Seattle with armed sternwheelers, abolish speed limits on the island highway, declare Whiskey Golf open to passage and invite Apple to set up corporate headquarters.

Long live the Queen.

 

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On 6/23/2019 at 10:57 AM, Ishmael said:

Bridge to the mainland, free ferries, light rail part of newly launched political party vision for becoming Canada's 11th province.

Bridge to the mainland, free ferries? Fuck that, we'll be inundated by homeless people and tourists.

How about only free to leave?

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On 6/24/2019 at 10:09 AM, Norse Horse said:

Yes, with a federal election in 4 months, far better to just separate from Canada, declare a distinct society or a colony of Britain, control sea access to Vancouver and Seattle with armed sternwheelers, abolish speed limits on the island highway, declare Whiskey Golf open to passage and invite Apple to set up corporate headquarters.

Long live the Queen.

 

You got my vote.

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DDW was headed to Skagway. But so far has gotten only as far as Sidney. Boat projects......

Last 4 weeks spent in Washington, the Land of Milk and Honey and Cleats. Tied up simply and efficiently to lovely, galvanized steel Cleats (Say Hallelujah and Amen!). Within two days the descent into turpitude was complete: Roche Harbor with their splintery wooden cleats, then Van Isle with the Evil Incarnate bull rails. My clean and pristine braided dock lines were defiled, slimed, and splintered by the Devil Bull Rails at the first docking.

I'm taking a slight vacation from the vacation to race gliders, then back to continue North. There is a reason George Vancouver gave all of those dreary and depressing names to islands, bays, and points: Godless Bull Rails everywhere he went, and not a Heavenly Cleat in sight. Depression from them led to his death shortly after his return, but the evidence has been destroyed by the Bull Rail conspiracy. 

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2 hours ago, DDW said:

DDW was headed to Skagway. But so far has gotten only as far as Sidney. Boat projects......

Last 4 weeks spent in Washington, the Land of Milk and Honey and Cleats. Tied up simply and efficiently to lovely, galvanized steel Cleats (Say Hallelujah and Amen!). Within two days the descent into turpitude was complete: Roche Harbor with their splintery wooden cleats, then Van Isle with the Evil Incarnate bull rails. My clean and pristine braided dock lines were defiled, slimed, and splintered by the Devil Bull Rails at the first docking.

I'm taking a slight vacation from the vacation to race gliders, then back to continue North. There is a reason George Vancouver gave all of those dreary and depressing names to islands, bays, and points: Godless Bull Rails everywhere he went, and not a Heavenly Cleat in sight. Depression from them led to his death shortly after his return, but the evidence has been destroyed by the Bull Rail conspiracy. 

Blasphemer I say, you shall be sent asunder and your skin raked over a thousand miles of the holiest of all holy Bullrails. All hail the most high and mighty Bullrail!

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On 7/1/2019 at 7:25 AM, DDW said:

DDW was headed to Skagway. But so far has gotten only as far as Sidney. Boat projects......

Last 4 weeks spent in Washington, the Land of Milk and Honey and Cleats. Tied up simply and efficiently to lovely, galvanized steel Cleats (Say Hallelujah and Amen!). Within two days the descent into turpitude was complete: Roche Harbor with their splintery wooden cleats, then Van Isle with the Evil Incarnate bull rails. My clean and pristine braided dock lines were defiled, slimed, and splintered by the Devil Bull Rails at the first docking.

I'm taking a slight vacation from the vacation to race gliders, then back to continue North. There is a reason George Vancouver gave all of those dreary and depressing names to islands, bays, and points: Godless Bull Rails everywhere he went, and not a Heavenly Cleat in sight. Depression from them led to his death shortly after his return, but the evidence has been destroyed by the Bull Rail conspiracy. 

Captain Vancouver was depressed that the Spaniards beat him to the cartography. By the time he showed up, he had to head north to fresh mapping. His beads, trinkets and cleats offered to the natives were all rejected, as others who came before plied these trading items. His sloppy seconds to the Spaniards and his failure to take bull rail technology back to England were his greatest failures...:unsure:

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1 minute ago, Ishmael said:

Reporting from Ucluelet, where the offspring of a bull rail and a cleat have multiplied. I give you...the bull cleat.

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BLASPHEMY! Get there behind me.

(Good find, @Ishmael)

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On 7/2/2019 at 7:09 PM, Norse Horse said:

Never seen a wolf swim before but I've seen a doe and fawns swim whitewater. Interesting to note the seal following the wolf in.

Island Bull Rail Deer beware, heh heh... Wolf videotaped swimming to shore in Campbell River

Videotaped?  Really? I guess docking apparatus isn't the only thing that's a little backward up north... :P

I used to have an office window that looked out on one of a group of sandbar islands in the Columbia River.  Massive goose nesting area.  Once every few years, coyotes would swim out there and decimate the nests on an island.  Then swim back to shore after all the food flew away.  They must have not liked to swim very much, or they'd have been out there every year.  

I once saw a herd of White-Tailed Deer swim across the river there.  The big buck literally forced the others into the water at antler point.  Then he jumped in and lead the way across.  But.  He didn't realize that he was the only one of them strong enough to swim against the current.  All the others were getting swept downstream, behind his back.  When he finally looked back, you could just see the little thought-bubble pop up above his head, "Well, fuck...!"  And he went swimming downstream, trying to catch up with the rest.  

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19 hours ago, toddster said:

Videotaped?  Really? I guess docking apparatus isn't the only thing that's a little backward up north... :P

I used to have an office window that looked out on one of a group of sandbar islands in the Columbia River.  Massive goose nesting area.  Once every few years, coyotes would swim out there and decimate the nests on an island.  Then swim back to shore after all the food flew away.  They must have not liked to swim very much, or they'd have been out there every year.  

I once saw a herd of White-Tailed Deer swim across the river there.  The big buck literally forced the others into the water at antler point.  Then he jumped in and lead the way across.  But.  He didn't realize that he was the only one of them strong enough to swim against the current.  All the others were getting swept downstream, behind his back.  When he finally looked back, you could just see the little thought-bubble pop up above his head, "Well, fuck...!"  And he went swimming downstream, trying to catch up with the rest.  

You mean Super 8 is dead?:blink:

Wintering elk in Brackendale Eagles Prov Park cross the much smaller Squamish river to escape  the wolves and coyotes...they don't seem to want to swim that ice cold water or be swept by the current. This was 4 houses down from our old place where i walked the dogs. Not quite as spectacular as the view from your office but it was a short walk away to nature. I have it on VHS!

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22 hours ago, Norse Horse said:

Those are semi invisible bull rails...there should be a sign posted for the tourists...just sayin

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Been a long time since I achieved invisibility.   Usually takes repeated applications of an extra special rum to do that!

That sign should be at the end of every bar.

- Stumbling

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49 minutes ago, stumblingthunder said:

Been a long time since I achieved invisibility.   Usually takes repeated applications of an extra special rum to do that!

That sign should be at the end of every bar.

- Stumbling

Catnip has the same effect.

Invisible shopping cart

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On ‎7‎/‎1‎/‎2019 at 8:25 AM, DDW said:

.... My clean and pristine braided dock lines were defiled, slimed, and splintered by the Devil Bull Rails at the first docking.

DDW, every time that I pass your boat I hear you loudly, wishfully, playing the Pink Floyd song that has the words:

     Ooh, I need a dirty woman
     Ooh, I need a dirty girl
     Will some woman in this desert land
     Make me feel like a real man?

So is it any wonder that your lines feel the same craving way???? :wub:

(p.s., you really should take some singing lessons; because your sing-along voice is several keys <octaves?> too high ^_^)

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Lund alert...T shirts selling for 45 cdn, some robbery going on. Mega yachts make a nice breakwater on the outer floats. No garbage cans there but they pay people to walk around and clean up after the tourists. What a sunset glistening off the polished bull rails worn smooth and clean as a piece of furniture.

Big shout out to the harbour master of Powell River, on thursday, who took our dog to the vet when the taxi refused the emergency trip needed as they were too busy.

One lovely old zombie next door and a new CG vessel to admire here. That and a funny looking building housing the sailing school.

All hail the rail...

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I don't begrudge those place their high prices. Just look at what they have to do to get the products there. Minimum of two ferry rides and no discounts just because they live there.

I haven't seen anyone getting rich running those kind of places around here. In fact they seem to have a lot of difficulty just keeping the lights on.

Lund is literally the end of the line - the farthest that "Highway 101" goes North.

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11 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

I don't begrudge those place their high prices. Just look at what they have to do to get the products there. Minimum of two ferry rides and no discounts just because they live there.

I haven't seen anyone getting rich running those kind of places around here. In fact they seem to have a lot of difficulty just keeping the lights on.

Lund is literally the end of the line - the farthest that "Highway 101" goes North.

My shock was more profound when I found my wife had bought 2.:lol::lol: The fabric is nice, give them the pass this time. No shortage of guests up there with the patios full. All the nice second homes up there with people in town for dinner. Fancy cars everywhere.

10 hours ago, IStream said:

Hope your critter is okay.

I saw blood in her pee in the morning and she wouldn't eat, nose was warm. I had to carry her off the boat but she walked on her own. Bladder infection, she must have had it a couple days, her white blood cell count was very high. Needle at the vet and antibiotics with a strong dosage. Revisit next week, vet said ok to travel, no overnight observation.

Thx, me too.

3 hours ago, Ishmael said:

Did you notice the only nice thing on that boat is a new stern light? Strange priorities.

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That side is all tarped off now, not a good sign. She is an old beauty.

There are some other ones in the links below from the RVYC archives. I read about a yacht race from Vancouver to Texada back in the days. There were some trophies, even. The old yachts are all likely gone now but there are some wonderful pics and maybe memories for some of these boats.

Texada Vancouver Yacht Race Annals_Section3_Racing.pdf

Texada Vancouver Yacht race Annals_Section6_Miscellaneous.pdf

 

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We are in Secret Cove, named along with Smugglers Cove for the rum running. The boiler for the still is still visible on the shore on the east side of Texada. Secret Cove is a dual diose with cleats along the main docks and bull rails on the fingers so you may state your religious preferences on 66a.

Those abstaining can choose to anchor on good fridays.:)

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On 8/16/2019 at 9:38 AM, Norse Horse said:

Lund alert...T shirts selling for 45 cdn, some robbery going on. Mega yachts make a nice breakwater on the outer floats.

 

Mega yachts are not allowed on the dock or breakwater at Lund. Maybe you were lost? Or you call a 50' a mega yacht?

There is a glimmer of hope: Kwatsi Bay has removed the bull rails and installed cleats since last time we were through. Port McNeill muni docks have cleats along with the bull rails, though it is a half hearted effort. Cleats at Echo Bay. North of there not much though. We've gotten to Bella Bella so far, continuing north in the pursuit of cleats.

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5 hours ago, DDW said:

Mega yachts are not allowed on the dock or breakwater at Lund. Maybe you were lost? Or you call a 50' a mega yacht?

There is a glimmer of hope: Kwatsi Bay has removed the bull rails and installed cleats since last time we were through. Port McNeill muni docks have cleats along with the bull rails, though it is a half hearted effort. Cleats at Echo Bay. North of there not much though. We've gotten to Bella Bella so far, continuing north in the pursuit of cleats.

It was a 57 so not a mega as you pointed out. Not lost, the wife is choosing our destinations. The mega yachts were Bella Sogno at Powell River and here at Secret Cove, Sinbad came in this afternoon. Her name plate is lit up like a restaurant sign...so charter guests can navigate the dock at night. There is a nice Tartan 370 at the docks with Japanese crew.

edit...I'll get a pic tomorrow of how they tie to bull rails. Most are double half hitch from an underside bight and a few led back to the boat cleats.

https://www.yachtcharterfleet.com/luxury-charter-yacht-47405/bella-sogno.htm

https://www.yachtcharterfleet.com/luxury-charter-yacht-22799/sinbad.htm

 

Sinbad Charter Yacht

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Looking Forward to the Invention of Carbon Capturing in Canada.

A small Squamish company, not far from the carbon capturing bull rails of our yc, have designed something better than cleats or sliced cheese. Warning the article may be considered left but the story will interest you. https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2019/08/16/David-Keith-Carbon-Removal-Moonshot/

Did you know margarine was banned in BC? go to no5, past the shark attacks.... might explain why there are so few cleats. On BC Day, a Look at Five Wacky Stories from the Province’s Past | The Tyee

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On 8/17/2019 at 8:48 PM, Norse Horse said:

edit...I'll get a pic tomorrow of how they tie to bull rails. Most are double half hitch from an underside bight and a few led back to the boat cleats.

Don't need pics as I am well aware of how to tie to bull rails. Passing under and two half hitches is not the best way. Doubling back to the cleats gives perhaps the best chance of being able to sweat the lines tight, but still a very poor third to a decent cleat.

Speaking of cleats, the newish marina at Cow Bay in P.R. has cleats and only cleats - so there is some civilization in the wilderness. Going to sit out the gale warning for tomorrow here and then cross the Dixon. 

Two nights ago, in Lowe Inlet, 131' motorsomething with some idiots on board. Came over in their dinghy and tried to drop crab traps well within our swinging circle. What exactly is wrong with people these days?

On our own (little) motorboat, we've done about 660 miles so far this trip, and burned about 200 gallons. Hardly Prius territory, but I can count the days we could have sailed the sailboat on one hand and have a few fingers left. 

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Last night before home today was in Comox Harbour Authority docks, with bull rails everywhere on the new docks...built in fire connections, 50amp towers, 2 super yachts, Bella somethingorother and one on the cusp of superdom...enough freeboard to be super...

An interesting catamaran with a perfectly round tunnel entry like a Douglas fir floating in the water...hmmm

Two aluminum sailboats, one with an aluminum tender with tunnel hulls. They look ready for the NWP.

A purty lookin gal in wood and a couple of trimarans, one with a rather permanent type for sale sign.

And mud, lots of mud....one sailboat stuck on the reef outside the spit, waiting for high tide, as I entered the harbour.

Long live the new Comox bull rails, beware the cheap cleats on the poor side of town.:o

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On 8/17/2019 at 3:16 PM, DDW said:

Mega yachts are not allowed on the dock or breakwater at Lund. Maybe you were lost? Or you call a 50' a mega yacht?

There is a glimmer of hope: Kwatsi Bay has removed the bull rails and installed cleats since last time we were through. Port McNeill muni docks have cleats along with the bull rails, though it is a half hearted effort. Cleats at Echo Bay. North of there not much though. We've gotten to Bella Bella so far, continuing north in the pursuit of cleats.

I noticed a few weeks ago when there that Kwatsi Bay marina (?) is for sale.  Maybe the cleat upgrade was to make it more enticing for a would-be buyer :-). (We anchored out, so didn't care.)

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We were in Kwatsi Bay a couple of weeks ago too. Kwatsi Bay Marina is for sale. Echo Bay Marina is for sale. Sullivan Bay Marina is for sale. It seems like the whole Broughton Archipelago is for sale. 

Here's another picture, this one Fury Cove. The last one was Kumealon Cove. These were taken by Ferries and transmitted through the Fifth Element.

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5 hours ago, Jud - s/v Sputnik said:

Yes, Echo Bay too.  I could sort of maybe kinda see doing that, owning/running that marina business.  You’d have to really want solitude, however, to live in Kwatsi Bay.  Amazingly, they told us they raised two kids there.  (Easier in the Internet age, though, for sure.)

I guess you didn't try the internet at Kwatsi (or any of those remote marinas). Growing up with that kind of speed and latency would very quickly drive you insane. 1200 baud dialup was faster and more reliable. I note that the two kids were not there to take over the business. Let it be said that Kwatsi bay is absolutely gorgeous though. 

Rumors were that Kwatsi may sell to a kayak adventure type outfit. Echo has sold to a first nations group. Sullivan is the largest and most elaborate of the bunch, with some year around income from the float home owners - but I don't have any rumors on that one.

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Two steps forward, one back. Newest marina in Prince Rupert (Cow Bay) features cleats. Across the border at Ketchikan, also cleats. Then further up the road back to some pretty nasty bull rails. Up thread someone said they'd fished in Alaska for a long time and never seen a bull rail splinter. Perhaps a vision check might be in order. Here is one of a number picked up in ************ Chuck. About the size of a 12 penny nail, potentially life threatening. One feature of the ones here and further on (Wrangell) is they use 6 x 6 or 8 x 8 stock for the rail. Not only a larger obstacle to overcome getting on and off the boat, but the typical loop passed twice round in a clove hitch now eats up about 6' of your dock line, and the friction makes it impossible to get them tight. This scourge needs to be expunged. 

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Thought you were lost in the earthquake up there...:o

I haven't got a splinter yet this year but I did get cleat rust on my new dock line. Acckkk!

 

Try this on your next shore hike.

There is a new cougar repellent that is effective in bull rail land and you can download it to your phone...

Sad But True: Cougars hate Metallica — but the band loved how a B.C. woman scared one away with their music | CBC News

 

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12 hours ago, DDW said:

Two steps forward, one back. Newest marina in Prince Rupert (Cow Bay) features cleats. Across the border at Ketchikan, also cleats. Then further up the road back to some pretty nasty bull rails. Up thread someone said they'd fished in Alaska for a long time and never seen a bull rail splinter. Perhaps a vision check might be in order. Here is one of a number picked up in ************ Chuck. About the size of a 12 penny nail, potentially life threatening. One feature of the ones here and further on (Wrangell) is they use 6 x 6 or 8 x 8 stock for the rail. Not only a larger obstacle to overcome getting on and off the boat, but the typical loop passed twice round in a clove hitch now eats up about 6' of your dock line, and the friction makes it impossible to get them tight. This scourge needs to be expunged. 

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That's not a splinter, it's a bull rail larvae. Nice clean lines, though. It seems you've been able to avoid the slime. A little more Fall cruising up here will fix that.

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13 hours ago, DDW said:

 

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Free marlinespike with every stay. And you are complaining?

12 hours ago, Norse Horse said:

There is a new cougar repellent that is effective in bull rail land and you can download it to your phone...

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"Hey -- we love speed metal!! It's like a double catnip martini. You're buying."

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Some pics from the capital of Victoria harbour. Bull rails everywhere, this is a fine heritage city.

Several mega yachts and some closer to 80ft tied up. Salts ships. Mystery tri and sloop.

Orcas off Grief Point on the way down here.

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You would think the MegaYacht crew would have a bunch of guys ready to spring onto the pier with cleats, lag bolts, and impact drivers - ready to properly tie up such a magnificent craft.  "Ready the cleat team!!!"

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1 hour ago, sculpin said:

You would think the MegaYacht crew would have a bunch of guys ready to spring onto the pier with cleats, lag bolts, and impact drivers - ready to properly tie up such a magnificent craft.  "Ready the cleat team!!!"

Bring Your Own Bollard

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Gratifying to see that the newer docks in Victoria have proper cleats. 

As to why you want your dock lines tight, they do need to be tight enough that you can step from the boat to the dock and back. Wrap a line around a rough, pressure treated POS 8x8 and the friction is so great you don't even have to secure it further. Try to move the boat down the dock by sweating in the lines? Forget that....

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A properly rigged spring line does nothing to keep your boat close to the float. And by the way, it is difficult to rig a proper spring line on bull rails. But then everything is more difficult with bull rails. 

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I should have been more descriptive. 

I usually rig a bow line, forward bow spring, after quarter spring and stern line if there is room. And yes, usually to bull rails.

Point is I like to let my boat move with the water rather than let the dock lines yank on it.

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