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1 hour ago, Admiral Hornblower said:

That's a good find

The Comet is a great old-school boat; it's been called a mini-Lightning but it's more of a mini-Star IMHO, lotsa horsepower, relatively decent manners, big time fun without needing a spinnaker. This one looks to be in good shape with recent sails and ON A GOOD TRAILER....

I predict somebody is going to snap that up

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Apologies for this boat not really being a dinghy. But it's a small-ish boat, open cockpit, relatively powered-up

https://wilmington.craigslist.org/boa/d/wilmington-ranger-fun-23-sailboat-price/7292474958.html

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It doesn't really belong in the Cruising Anarchy craigslist thread, as this is less of a cruiser than it is a dinghy.

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1 hour ago, Steam Flyer said:

Apologies for this boat not really being a dinghy. But it's a small-ish boat, open cockpit, relatively powered-up

https://wilmington.craigslist.org/boa/d/wilmington-ranger-fun-23-sailboat-price/7292474958.html

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It doesn't really belong in the Cruising Anarchy craigslist thread, as this is less of a cruiser than it is a dinghy.

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Me lika cet bateau...if I lived nearer...only thing I would add is a low stern net, in case a beverage can etc got out of touch...: ]

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One of the "Dinghy Definitions" for me is a boat that can be handled (launched) by a single strong person. There are many discussions of the same - and obviously it depends on the slope of the beach or lakeside. I'm somewhat debating (w/myself) about this limit. It's for sure that slightly heavier can mean better behaved in these conditions where non-keel (Dinghy) boats are sailed. 

2006 - Capri - CL ad

https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/boa/d/tampa-catalina-capri-165-sailboat/7296534714.html

I think that is about 370 pounds - plus the trailer. Even with a semi-custom boat dolly you'd have 420 or so

Picnic Cat - I would  almost but this boat (or either of these). 2008. Great condition.

https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/boa/d/tavares-2008-com-pac-picnic-cat-sailboat/7294428871.html

I just found out that the rental boats at the club here (squadron) have to be returned by 4PM. a major bummer for someone like me that enjoys evening sailing. But at the same time I don't want any big boat hassles. 

That got me looking at some of those rigs for moving trailers - many earlier convos on boating forums about them - not sure if anyone has actually purchased one and tried it.

https://www.amazon.com/SuperHandy-Trailer-Electric-Commercial-Included/dp/B086SDRDYN/ref=asc_df_B086SDRDYN/

(that one says max 4 degree slope but that might be at the weight limit - we'd be justing these things at 10-20% of the weight rated). 

https://www.amazon.com/Tow-Tuff-TMD-3500ETD-Electric-Trailer/dp/B089QX3CL2/

In the future maybe we'll all have "Alexa, Launch my Boat please" 

I think what I want is an indestructible, lightweight boat that doesn't require hiking. For me this means a boat with actual seats inside as opposed to hull seats - like both of the above

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That FUN 23 above basics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fun_23

Looks like made in France - and only 100 exist. Sure is a fine looking boat if keeping moored or in a slip (I am not into trailer sailing myself). A bit too deep for these parts (even the 2 + feel w/swing up means no beaching and likely getting stuck sooner or later unless going out into the Gulf).

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On 3/24/2021 at 9:31 AM, Steam Flyer said:

Apologies for this boat not really being a dinghy. But it's a small-ish boat, open cockpit, relatively powered-up

https://wilmington.craigslist.org/boa/d/wilmington-ranger-fun-23-sailboat-price/7292474958.html

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It doesn't really belong in the Cruising Anarchy craigslist thread, as this is less of a cruiser than it is a dinghy.

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I have a Fun in Austin. My job, for the estate of the owner, is to make it go away 

it needs work. You can’t just go sail it. Two guys who would enjoy working for two weekends and most of the evenings, could have a pretty nice toy in about a month. 
it needs new halyards and there is a bad bulkhead. 
The Trailer needs tires, bearing service, and probably done wood and carpet. 
 

if you want it send me an email ....

or look at it while you are on shore at the Easter Laser Regatta

 

http://schrothfiberglass.com/Easter.htm
 

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OK, 20 years after sailing FJs in college and Highlanders with the girlfriend's family, I'm trying to get back into sailing and I found this locally: https://columbus.craigslist.org/boa/d/columbus-sailboat/7296990157.html

For just something to kick around in in the puddles around here, is that a reasonable price or is the person way too proud of their boat?

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5 hours ago, craigiri said:

That got me looking at some of those rigs for moving trailers - many earlier convos on boating forums about them - not sure if anyone has actually purchased one and tried it.

https://www.amazon.com/SuperHandy-Trailer-Electric-Commercial-Included/dp/B086SDRDYN/ref=asc_df_B086SDRDYN/

(that one says max 4 degree slope but that might be at the weight limit - we'd be justing these things at 10-20% of the weight rated). 

https://www.amazon.com/Tow-Tuff-TMD-3500ETD-Electric-Trailer/dp/B089QX3CL2/

In the future maybe we'll all have "Alexa, Launch my Boat please" 

I think what I want is an indestructible, lightweight boat that doesn't require hiking. For me this means a boat with actual seats inside as opposed to hull seats - like both of the above

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I had very good luck with the Trailer Valet 5x.  They have larger ones, but this one pulled a U20 full of junk across gravel without much issue. The largest issue was it digging into the gravel, but a $10 welcome mat solved that.

https://www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Dolly/Trailer-Valet/STC-V211.html

For this one you use a rechargeable electric drill or a hand crank which lets you take the motor home and out of the elements.  I also took the detachable unit off and stored it in the boat so no moving parts were left out in the elements.

If you want more info, reach out.  Or if you want a "gently used" one, reach out.

 

If you want more info, reach out.

 

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1 hour ago, williaty said:

OK, 20 years after sailing FJs in college and Highlanders with the girlfriend's family, I'm trying to get back into sailing and I found this locally: https://columbus.craigslist.org/boa/d/columbus-sailboat/7296990157.html

For just something to kick around in in the puddles around here, is that a reasonable price or is the person way too proud of their boat?

I hate that rudder. But the boat looks simple and complete enough to sail. Or if it's missing something, you can probably complete it with something handy in the garage. It's not a boat to take a girlfriend on unless you're both relatively slight and do not value your dignity

How about this

https://columbus.craigslist.org/boa/d/dublin-sailboat-for-sale-comet/7294837177.html

Bigger and more powerful, you won't get bored.

Or this one

https://dayton.craigslist.org/boa/d/dayton-mirror-sailboat-dinghy/7272641566.html

Although a little shorter, it's a much bigger boat by every other measure of size. I sailed these off the coast of Spain, years ago, and in a breeze and big waves they are a a hoot... capable little boats! This one, the trailer is nowhere near as nice though. And the trailer is a big part of the value.

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3 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

I hate that rudder. But the boat looks simple and complete enough to sail. Or if it's missing something, you can probably complete it with something handy in the garage. It's not a boat to take a girlfriend on unless you're both relatively slight and do not value your dignity

How about this

https://columbus.craigslist.org/boa/d/dublin-sailboat-for-sale-comet/7294837177.html

Bigger and more powerful, you won't get bored.

Or this one

https://dayton.craigslist.org/boa/d/dayton-mirror-sailboat-dinghy/7272641566.html

Although a little shorter, it's a much bigger boat by every other measure of size. I sailed these off the coast of Spain, years ago, and in a breeze and big waves they are a a hoot... capable little boats! This one, the trailer is nowhere near as nice though. And the trailer is a big part of the value.

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Yeah I saw both of those. The Comet especially is really attractive but it's too much money to buy out of pocket and it's not close enough to what I want in the long run to be worth taking out a loan for. The plan is to get something cheap to screw around with for now while I wait for a good deal to come up (and while I save) on something I want to live with long-term.

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2 minutes ago, williaty said:

Yeah I saw both of those. The Comet especially is really attractive but it's too much money to buy out of pocket and it's not close enough to what I want in the long run to be worth taking out a loan for. The plan is to get something cheap to screw around with for now while I wait for a good deal to come up (and while I save) on something I want to live with long-term.

Ah so, understand and agree.

Don't forget about resale... all sailboats are toys, not an investment, but some are more likely to sell relatively easily when you're done with it. (side note- that's what is nice about a boat on a good trailer... that Comet + trailer costs less than the trailer alone would cost)

I've often thought of getting one of those little styrofoam Snark sailboats to play with. This one looks like the next step up, except that rudder needs careful checking out.

Good luck and let us know how it works out!

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3 hours ago, williaty said:

Yeah I saw both of those. The Comet especially is really attractive but it's too much money to buy out of pocket and it's not close enough to what I want in the long run to be worth taking out a loan for. The plan is to get something cheap to screw around with for now while I wait for a good deal to come up (and while I save) on something I want to live with long-term.

One thing to keep in mind,  though is that if a boat isn't fun, if it sails like shit, feels like a plastic bath toy, etc. you're not going to use it, and it's going to be hard to sell.  It will end up becoming just thrown out money. 

There were lots of differnet small dinghys designed over the last 50 years; the ones that became popular, the ones that folks still race today,  got there because they were good, fun, boats.  I'm not saying that the first one isn't (I have no experience) but I know that folks rave about the Comet, and I love the Mirror.

You might want to keep your eye out for a Bluejay.  They pop up all the time on craigslist in the 700 buck range, but seem to sell really fast.   A bit larger than the Mirror, but similar design specs.  Any Mirror you find in the states will be made of plywood, but the Bluejays for sale seem to be mostly glass. 

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Anyone know of a Raider ll for sale? 

No longer built during the Covid time and I have inquiries. Sold mine 2 years ago (I'm old.) Dave Ellis

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Not exactly a dinghy - I had one of these for a couple years....sorta fun.

They have been for sale for a while - I'd bet $800 would get one. 

I took it out in Sarasota Bay in 15MPH plus no problem at all. 

Windrider 10 or tango (same thing). I did even put the wife in with me one day.....that was quite a load for the little thing (350 or so). 

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I really do like this design - $18K new (still building them).

$950 for this....

Facebook Marketplace....

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10 hours ago, sailwriter said:

Anyone know of a Raider ll for sale? 

No longer built during the Covid time and I have inquiries. Sold mine 2 years ago (I'm old.) Dave Ellis

Is that the same thing as a Raider 16?

https://stlouis.craigslist.org/boa/d/saint-louis-2006-johannsen-boat-works/7295657240.html 

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Here's a couple cool boats near me... the guy selling is helping deal with the estate of a friend.  He Hooked me up with a pretty nice fireball; I saw the rest of the boats he has-well kept and very interesting boats.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/987730441761308/?ref=search&referral_code=marketplace_search&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A6996d25f-f8bc-4f0d-b8b9-e1b7c51a4c1e

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1300744780294896/?ref=search&referral_code=marketplace_search&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A74e867f6-451e-458e-9f28-456c313f96f6

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1657649751111026/?ref=search&referral_code=marketplace_search&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A74e867f6-451e-458e-9f28-456c313f96f6

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15 hours ago, WCB said:

The Raider 16 was redesigned with a little more rocker, filled out bow area and, most importantly, a jib. It became a comfortable, difficult to capsize craft. Handicap of 89.5, but a good sailor could beat that number. Won the 2018 Mug Race in Florida on handicap, 38 miles, 88 boats. 

It was my most versatile boat of many. (FD, IC, A Cat, Contender, Snipe, Windmill, Laser, Sunfish, etc.) 

Wish I hadn't sold #133, for it would be fun to put Dali foils out the side. But, alas, I've grown old.

There is a demand. But none now being built.  Dave Ellis

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1 hour ago, Alan Crawford said:

Not a dinghy but "close". Finot Open 6.5 in the Atlanta, GA area

https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/bod/d/buford-21-finot-open/7297361457.html

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Cool boat but saying that's an aggressive price is an understatement.  There's a 5.70 here in Park City that will be joining us to race this year.  Same color.  

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42 minutes ago, sailwriter said:

The Raider 16 was redesigned with a little more rocker, filled out bow area and, most importantly, a jib. It became a comfortable, difficult to capsize craft. Handicap of 89.5, but a good sailor could beat that number. Won the 2018 Mug Race in Florida on handicap, 38 miles, 88 boats. 

It was my most versatile boat of many. (FD, IC, A Cat, Contender, Snipe, Windmill, Laser, Sunfish, etc.) 

Wish I hadn't sold #133, for it would be fun to put Dali foils out the side. But, alas, I've grown old.

There is a demand. But none now being built.  Dave Ellis

Are the molds still around?  Maybe they can be given to a shop like Fulcrum Speedworks to build again.

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1 hour ago, WCB said:

Are the molds still around?  Maybe they can be given to a shop like Fulcrum Speedworks to build again.

Wasn't Trinka building them (the 1st version) here in Florida? 

Yes, that is "Johannsen" boat works - closed, but recent enough that they likely could be found...as far as the molds. 

It looks like a fun "planing" boat, but since every picture of one has people hiking WAY out it doesn't sound like a family day sailer. 

It is probably a matter of opinion on whether there is an advantage to building such a shape? To a layman it does seem cool, like it would skip over the water, but then again it's not going to slice through certain conditions like some other models.

It would seem that most perfect shapes were found by now - given the amount of time, energy, money and love put into naval architecture - that is, the perfect shape for doing this or doing that. What gets harder is when people want to do multiple things with the same boat. 

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Every boat has compromises. The Raider was designed to be a fun but quick dinghy that is forgiving at a price point under 10-grand. Hence going to aluminum spars rather than carbon. "Sailing For The Rest Of Us" was the mantra.

Mark Johannsen was the quality builder of Trinka 8, 10 and 12, Windmill and Raider. He retired and sold the molds. Before anything could be done with them the pandemic and financial challenges ensued.

I'd love to tweak the hull la bit more and build it lighter. It isn't too bad at 220 or so. Ample sail area.

Ah well. Dave Ellis

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Gawd...Murphy's Law,,,have yen for Sharpie like that and a Banshee, but Begorrah! have me outriggger to finish...the site make me envious.,,,and of course lack space and cash.,,,the Fun one also perks me. Swill-bots all--to me,

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1 hour ago, craigiri said:

If on can handle the weight, this is probably a nice boat (guess is it has very heavy ballast-board?)

https://sarasota.craigslist.org/boa/d/venice-17-ft-interlake-sail-boat-by/7297010546.html

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Those are decent boats... kind of between a Snipe and Lightning

No trailer mentioned though  :(

How about this one? Never sailed on myself but seen them around, they look like they work pretty well and lotsa fun

https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/boa/d/fort-myers-fusion-15-sailboat-trailer/7297474767.html

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On 3/28/2021 at 1:47 PM, Steam Flyer said:

Those are decent boats... kind of between a Snipe and Lightning

No trailer mentioned though  :(

How about this one? Never sailed on myself but seen them around, they look like they work pretty well and lotsa fun

https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/boa/d/fort-myers-fusion-15-sailboat-trailer/7297474767.html

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Sailed one in cottage country a few times in first year of production – that’s the right market for it.

Never developed the numbers for one design and not a compelling race boat.

Fine family boat, relatively robust, user friendly but enough stuff to play with. Easy to pull kids back in through the open transom but easy to lose beers the same route. A bit heavy not particularly high performance.

For that use, I’d get one at this price point.

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1 hour ago, KC375 said:

Sailed one in cottage country a few times in first year of production – that’s the right market for it.

 

Never developed the numbers for one design and not a compelling race boat.

 

Fine family boat, relatively robust, user friendly but enough stuff to play with. Easy to pull kids back in through the open transom but easy to lose beers the same route. A bit heavy not particularly high performance.

 

For that use, I’d get one at this price point.

 

Thinking...where is a Soling with an open cockpit astern? (Must have been previous rig.)  Soling was hot and an Oly comer and if in decent shape and storage/ooring  is not a problem easy deal. How much could a keelboat bearing trailer go for? 

Recall how it seemed to eclipse another nice keeler rig, and got Oly status, when Olys were viable.

This dodger never sailed on, so cannot comment more...but love to single handle keelers....with suds.

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51 minutes ago, BobBill said:

Thinking...where is a Soling with an open cockpit astern? (Must have been previous rig.)  Soling was hot and an Oly comer and if in decent shape and storage/ooring  is not a problem easy deal. How much could a keelboat bearing trailer go for? 

Recall how it seemed to eclipse another nice keeler rig, and got Oly status, when Olys were viable.

This dodger never sailed on, so cannot comment more...but love to single handle keelers....with suds.

That Soling is located near where there used to be a very strong Soling fleet that included Dr. Stuart Walker.  For the price of a decent used Laser, one could get what looks like a nice Soling.

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1 hour ago, BobBill said:

Thinking...where is a Soling with an open cockpit astern? (Must have been previous rig.)  Soling was hot and an Oly comer and if in decent shape and storage/ooring  is not a problem easy deal. How much could a keelboat bearing trailer go for? 

Recall how it seemed to eclipse another nice keeler rig, and got Oly status, when Olys were viable.

This dodger never sailed on, so cannot comment more...but love to single handle keelers....with suds.

I was responding, as quoted to, to steamflyers link to the fushion 15 advert

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But yes an open stern soling would be an interesting thought, and certainly solings developed some one design racing...a soling (or etchell) makes a lovely cottage boat - very classy - if you have a dock, not so good for beach launch

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3 hours ago, KC375 said:

Sailed one in cottage country a few times in first year of production – that’s the right market for it.

 

Never developed the numbers for one design and not a compelling race boat.

 

Fine family boat, relatively robust, user friendly but enough stuff to play with. Easy to pull kids back in through the open transom but easy to lose beers the same route. A bit heavy not particularly high performance.

 

For that use, I’d get one at this price point.

 

Thinking...where is a Soling with an open cockpit astern? Was hot and an Oly and if in decent shape and storage/mooring  is not a problem easy deal. How much could a keelboat bearing trailer go for? 

 

KC was not digning thee, just rambling...my error.

I knew Walker sailed a keeler, instead of his 14s, right there too...

Etchells lost out but liked them better...never could afford one either... but this one is in park, no way to play, sadly.

 

 

This dodger never sailed on, so cannot comment more...but love to single handle keelers....with suds.

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On 3/27/2021 at 12:54 PM, Alan Crawford said:

Not a dinghy but "close". Finot Open 6.5 in the Atlanta, GA area

https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/bod/d/buford-21-finot-open/7297361457.html

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That thing has been for sale in the Atlanta area for a long time now. I'm sure the sellers would say the price is because the boat is full carbon fiber. I just don't know who in Atlanta is going to buy such a technically-advanced, purpose-built race boat like this.

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12 hours ago, NotFrench said:

That thing has been for sale in the Atlanta area for a long time now. I'm sure the sellers would say the price is because the boat is full carbon fiber. I just don't know who in Atlanta is going to buy such a technically-advanced, purpose-built race boat like this.

There is also Mini 6.5 for sale at the same location - same color also...

 

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11 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

I've sailed a bunch of open transom boats, including in some fairly sporty conditions, and never lost anything out the back

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You fast,,,after two 180s to retrieve cans, made rule set downs need tethers.  Nothing foated off.

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1 hour ago, BobBill said:

You fast,,,after two 180s to retrieve cans, made rule set downs need tethers.  Nothing foated off.

Well, back in the '90s racing with my wife as crew, she almost lost her glasses once (fell onto the deck and started sliding, she caught the frames and I caught the lens as it came over the gun'l) and did lose a hat... blew off on the next-to-last tack covering our closest competitor... she said "Forget it!" and started to say more but I told her we were going to circle down (ease fast, gybe hard, be ready to continue the circle) and grab it... we did... still won although we had to throw in an extra tack right at the finish to be on starboard and make sure the other guy took our transom at the pin.

But none of that had anything to do with the boat's transom!

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On 3/26/2021 at 10:46 AM, sailwriter said:

Anyone know of a Raider ll for sale? 

No longer built during the Covid time and I have inquiries. Sold mine 2 years ago (I'm old.) Dave Ellis

Found two.

A newer one for 6.5K and the original of the new jib/aluminum mast hull, using the original mold 3K. 

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291 that S2 a nica bot, and lilely all owner sings about...

Alas, have me own project, which I wish now was a Sharpie...sorta.

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On 3/30/2021 at 11:11 AM, Steam Flyer said:

Well, back in the '90s racing with my wife as crew, she almost lost her glasses once (fell onto the deck and started sliding, she caught the frames and I caught the lens as it came over the gun'l) and did lose a hat... blew off on the next-to-last tack covering our closest competitor... she said "Forget it!" and started to say more but I told her we were going to circle down (ease fast, gybe hard, be ready to continue the circle) and grab it... we did... still won although we had to throw in an extra tack right at the finish to be on starboard and make sure the other guy took our transom at the pin.

But none of that had anything to do with the boat's transom!

FB- Doug

Oh, items do slide out the back of "transomless" hulls.

The most grievous situations occur when something, like your beer, hat, foul weather gear, suntan lotion slides out and it is not noticed until you've sailed on.

My wife sews a net side to side, Velcro on the deck, little bales on each side for the top support. Saved many a loss. 

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On 3/30/2021 at 8:22 PM, K9u20 said:

What kind of boat is that mast from?  If we could figure out how to get it to me, I may have a buyer for it.  You said the mast is 25' long?

And to me I mean to Charleston, SC where my Melges is where I could use it to haul back here.

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On 3/29/2021 at 10:15 PM, Steam Flyer said:

I've sailed a bunch of open transom boats, including in some fairly sporty conditions, and never lost anything out the back

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I actually feel safer in open back - my P18 was enclosed and some of them have sunk (casualties one I read about) as water gets in and stays in and then goes under seats (hinged). In the Corsair, the back was open - I definitely prefer it on small boats.

https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/col/boa/d/naples-alerion-express-19-catboat/7293175033.html

out of Dinghy class, but since this is sorta CL and other "finds", I find this attractive - never really studied the class/type (Sanderling), but I do like the function and some of the form. Price is really not too bad - 12K asking for a nice looking model. It would be on my list if I wanted the hassle of having a boat now. I could see keeping it at the SSS and maybe also having a slip (nearby) for a couple months so it would be in the water for some of the time. 

It looks a bit clunky - BUT, it also has those graceful lines and nice seating positions, etc. - I'd take that thing out into Gulf (of Mexico) on <12MPH days and sail up./down the coast. 

 

 

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On 3/31/2021 at 1:19 PM, sailwriter said:

Oh, items do slide out the back of "transomless" hulls.

The most grievous situations occur when something, like your beer, hat, foul weather gear, suntan lotion slides out and it is not noticed until you've sailed on.

My wife sews a net side to side, Velcro on the deck, little bales on each side for the top support. Saved many a loss. 

Probably one of those truck replacement tailgates might do the job rigged up in some way. 
I always had a couple cupholders and then a canvas bag with the rest - would tie a small string from the bag to something so it wouldn't get lost (never was in that danger anyway).

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1 hour ago, craigiri said:

I actually feel safer in open back - my P18 was enclosed and some of them have sunk (casualties one I read about) as water gets in and stays in and then goes under seats (hinged). In the Corsair, the back was open - I definitely prefer it on small boats.

https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/col/boa/d/naples-alerion-express-19-catboat/7293175033.html

out of Dinghy class, but since this is sorta CL and other "finds", I find this attractive - never really studied the class/type (Sanderling), but I do like the function and some of the form. Price is really not too bad - 12K asking for a nice looking model. It would be on my list if I wanted the hassle of having a boat now. I could see keeping it at the SSS and maybe also having a slip (nearby) for a couple months so it would be in the water for some of the time. 

It looks a bit clunky - BUT, it also has those graceful lines and nice seating positions, etc. - I'd take that thing out into Gulf (of Mexico) on <12MPH days and sail up./down the coast. 

 

 

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Those are nice, next door neighbor had one for a couple of years. I only sailed with him on it once, but observed him sailing and handling it around docks etc etc... it's far more of a PITA to trailer than a boat of it's size and weight should be, but then the trailer it came with was more appropriate for a boat twice the size & 4x the weight.

My observation... they have some of the usual catboat vices like strong weather helm, added that they are not good in light air (you have to have a big-ass gaff main, which is a PITA in other ways). The disguised kick-up rudder is a mistake, it does not handle the catboat steering characteristics all that well and they grow a crop of weed/barnacles etc. in such a way as to jam a lot.

The reefing line also needs to be fiddled with and re-run. As shown (as from the factory) it tends to jam.

Then, my neighbor also added a cheap-o outboard mount with too-big a motor and that made the whole boat a nearly unworkable proposition, but that's not the boat's fault.

Given something like an electric inboard, I'd have one of these in a heartbeat.

 

But wait!

How about https://sarasota.craigslist.org/boa/d/bradenton-21-us-yacht-sailboat/7299968709.html

21' US Yacht Sailboat - $5,000 (Bayshore Gardens)

It says built by US Yachts (Bayliner) but friends have had these and say they are actually not lacking in the build dept. Pearson picked them up later one. $5k seems like a lot, unless it's got new sails and a really nice motor, but hey it's pandemic pricing.

Given a choice between the Alerion cat and the Bayliner 21, I'd actually take the US21 (unless it was to sell the Alerion and buy the Bayliner plus taking Mrs Steam on a nice trip to France or something)

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3 hours ago, craigiri said:

Probably one of those truck replacement tailgates might do the job rigged up in some way. 
I always had a couple cupholders and then a canvas bag with the rest - would tie a small string from the bag to something so it wouldn't get lost (never was in that danger anyway).

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Very similar to what my wife made for my open transom.

Only difference was the bottom had Velcro glued to the boat and on the net.

So far it has saved a Gatorade and my whisker pole. 

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On 4/5/2021 at 10:58 AM, valcour said:

Yes, I remember seeing a couple of them bobbing in the water at the Annapolis Boat show in the mid-80s.   Very cool looking design.   They had a few downsides compared to most pedal boats.  First, you got quite hot pedaling them.   You sit deep in it, and it only has the one hatch, so there isn't much airflow.   Two, they are a bit of a pain to launch, as they are pretty deep and heavy, and can't be dragged up a beach and remain upright.   Finally, they were (and apparently are) still expensive.   

The seating position looks comfortable, I'd wonder how efficient the pedal and propeller system is.   I'd have to imagine that a Hobie mirage Kayak would be much faster for a given effort level.   But the water bugs were certainly unique and cool!   I think they would make the ideal committee boat for a mini-12 meter race course.   

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4 hours ago, midboat said:
On 3/29/2021 at 2:17 PM, Alan Crawford said:

Hey you found my boat!  I put more pictures up too.

Those are great boats. My wife and I sailed one for a few years after giving up Lightnings. So comfy, so well mannered, if only they had more stowage!

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Snark Mayflower - ABS coated Foam

Too much money - laugh if you want, but find me another 50 lb boat that can have this many people in it. I'd have one for the right price.

I sailed the non-ABS snarks (straight out styrofoam - 99 dollars) when I was a kid.

On sarasota craigslist if anyone really wants it. 

https://sarasota.craigslist.org/boa/d/port-charlotte-snark-mayflower-sailboat/7303376082.html

There are some youtube vids of it sailing. Looks like fun. 11 feet is just long enough. It would be great to find a garage kept perfect copy.

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Make an offer? 350 - probably could buy a ZUMA which might be in good shape. 

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6 hours ago, craigiri said:

Make an offer? 350 - probably could buy a ZUMA which might be in good shape. 

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What the hell is a "pulling system"??

But hey, I thought the Zuma was a nice little boat, I'd swap ~$350 for one if it wasn't damaged and not missing major components... except the sail, I'd probably spring for a super-size Hansen (or similar) sail

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1 hour ago, Steam Flyer said:

What the hell is a "pulling system"??

Straight out of the America's Cup...:D

Could be used to raise the Rutter 

Or, maybe some ropes to "pull" the boat down the "hall" :lol:

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10 hours ago, Alan Crawford said:

Straight out of the America's Cup...:D

Could be used to raise the Rutter 

Or, maybe some ropes to "pull" the boat down the "hall" :lol:

Don't forget it comes complete with "mass!"

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3 hours ago, Tubes said:
14 hours ago, Alan Crawford said:

Straight out of the America's Cup...:D

Could be used to raise the Rutter 

Or, maybe some ropes to "pull" the boat down the "hall" :lol:

Don't forget it comes complete with "mass!"

Well, that's no good.

I'm looking for an object with no mass, so I can prove my Unified Field Theory

Is there another section of Craiglist I should be looking in?

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I miss the days of newspaper ads where you placed your ad by phone with hilarious misunderstandings printed daily. The two I still remember are

16' open bowel runabout 

14' hobby cap

 

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Silverline 17 - I think it goes by the name Dolphin?

This one actually looked like it could be a good deal - year 2000, might just need cleaning up. That's a fine price - in Maine. I'm starting to like that type of a cockpit - such as this and the mercury etc. with the seating all around. It looks civilized. 

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