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kRist you make tRump look like an amateur , you are a LIAR .

 

 (Assault Weapon, Ordinary .22) 

 

This is not in your quoted cite .

 

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Not really. Discussing the question with someone who can't tell the difference between these two rounds...     ...would be a discussion with either a moron or a victim of mental illness

One aspect of the fun does continue for me. This one: Even the famously independent Sanders could not break the TeamD tribal taboos surrounding gun control. Something that continues today, a

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9 minutes ago, Mid said:

kRist you make tRump look like an amateur , you are a LIAR .

 

 (Assault Weapon, Ordinary .22) 

 

This is not in your quoted cite .

 

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Hah! And the image in post 356 might not be exactly what you see if you visit Senator Feinstein's website.

I guess we need a parody font?

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OK, OK, here's the unaltered original. But it's not as funny and is less accurate than mine.

On 11/10/2017 at 4:46 PM, badlatitude said:
"We’re introducing an updated Assault Weapons Ban for one reason: so that after every mass shooting with a military-style assault weapon, the American people will know that a tool to reduce these massacres is sitting in the Senate, ready for debate and a vote. 

“This bill won’t stop every mass shooting, but it will begin removing these weapons of war from our streets. The first Assault Weapons Ban was just starting to show an effect when the NRA stymied its reauthorization in 2004. Yes, it will be a long process to reduce the massive supply of these assault weapons in our country, but we’ve got to start somewhere. 

“To those who say now isn’t the time, they’re right—we should have extended the original ban 13 years ago, before hundreds more Americans were murdered with these weapons of war. To my colleagues in Congress, I say do your job."

....................................................... 

Joining Senator Feinstein on the bill are Senators Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), Chris Murphy (D-Conn.), Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), Patty Murray (D-Wash.), Jack Reed (D-R.I.), Tom Carper (D-Del.), Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.), Ben Cardin (D-Md.), Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), Al Franken (D-Minn.), Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii), Mazie Hirono (D-Hawaii), Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Ed Markey (D-Mass.), Cory Booker (D-N.J.), Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.) and Bob Casey (D-Pa.).

 

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4 hours ago, Uncooperative Tom said:

Joining Senator Feinstein on the bill are Senators Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), Chris Murphy (D-Conn.), Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), Patty Murray (D-Wash.), Jack Reed (D-R.I.), Tom Carper (D-Del.), Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.), Ben Cardin (D-Md.), Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), Al Franken (D-Minn.), Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii), Mazie Hirono (D-Hawaii), Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Ed Markey (D-Mass.), Cory Booker (D-N.J.), Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.) and Bob Casey (D-Pa.).

Lets not forget that many of these senators are firm believers in states rights when it comes to some gun laws (like national reciprocity), but believe in federal laws for other gun laws (like Feinsteins latest AWB)

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21 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

hmmmm.  this was a fun thread.  

 The North Koreans are probably in awe of the NRA's mad skilz.The NRA and associated groups have demonstrated an ability to brainwash the Real Americans into continuing to believe only Democrats grab gunz, and to the point of not being able to see the R behind the names of Don Trump and Rudy "The NYC Gungrabber" Giuliani, his BFF. I've been told the Norks, whose brainwashing techniques in the Korean War gave rise to the term, were able to get people to honestly see only what they had been conditioned to see. A conditioning so thorough they make someone look at red stop sign and honestly report that it was green and said "Go!". 

 

  

 

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3 hours ago, Mark K said:

 The North Koreans are probably in awe of the NRA's mad skilz.The NRA and associated groups have demonstrated an ability to brainwash the Real Americans into continuing to believe only Democrats grab gunz, and to the point of not being able to see the R behind the names of Don Trump and Rudy "The NYC Gungrabber" Giuliani, his BFF. I've been told the Norks, whose brainwashing techniques in the Korean War gave rise to the term, were able to get people to honestly see only what they had been conditioned to see. A conditioning so thorough they make someone look at red stop sign and honestly report that it was green and said "Go!". 

 

  

 

I've said before that I trust Trump on guns exactly as long as he thinks leaving me alone is good for Trump, and then would expect him to revert to his NE  ways and return to his past support of bans on (assault weapons, our .22's).

As for Giulianio, I just always still see him this way:

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Citing stuff like that as reasons both halves of the Duopoly are pretty much the same used to really make TeamR guys crazy. But it was true.

It's no longer true. For now at least, Trump says he doesn't wish to return to his prior support of a ban on (assault weapons, ordinary .22's).

And it's not the NRA saying that this list is only TeamD:

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Joining Senator Feinstein on the bill are Senators Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), Chris Murphy (D-Conn.), Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), Patty Murray (D-Wash.), Jack Reed (D-R.I.), Tom Carper (D-Del.), Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.), Ben Cardin (D-Md.), Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), Al Franken (D-Minn.), Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii), Mazie Hirono (D-Hawaii), Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Ed Markey (D-Mass.), Cory Booker (D-N.J.), Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.) and Bob Casey (D-Pa.).

How about you, Mark? Do you have a position on TeamD's primary gun control goal of banning (assault weapons, ordinary .22's)?

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3 minutes ago, Uncooperative Tom said:

I've said before that I trust Trump on guns exactly as long as he thinks leaving me alone is good for Trump, and then would expect him to revert to his NE  ways and return to his past support of bans on (assault weapons, our .22's).

As for Giulianio, I just always still see him this way:

giuliani-handgun-control.jpg

Citing stuff like that as reasons both halves of the Duopoly are pretty much the same used to really make TeamR guys crazy. But it was true.

It's no longer true. For now at least, Trump says he doesn't wish to return to his prior support of a ban on (assault weapons, ordinary .22's).

And it's not the NRA saying that this list is only TeamD:

How about you, Mark? Do you have a position on TeamD's primary gun control goal of banning (assault weapons, ordinary .22's)?

Not really. Discussing the question with someone who can't tell the difference between these two rounds...

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...would be a discussion with either a moron or a victim of mental illness. Perhaps someone who has been horribly brain-washed, I dare not guess.  I think it best to leave such in the hands of professionals.    

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But I do know the difference.

The TeamD Senators, apparently, do not. Which is  why my wife's Ruger 10/22 is specifically included in the ban I asked you about.

They may be too stupid to discuss, but they're powerful US Senators and people are talking about some as Presidential prospects.

Haven't had enough of Presidents who are too stupid to discuss?

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3 minutes ago, Uncooperative Tom said:

But I do know the difference.

The TeamD Senators, apparently, do not. Which is  why my wife's Ruger 10/22 is specifically included in the ban I asked you about.

They may be too stupid to discuss, but they're powerful US Senators and people are talking about some as Presidential prospects.

Haven't had enough of Presidents who are too stupid to discuss?

Just keep pushing back against reasonable measures to keep our streets and schools safe. You’ll lose in the long run.

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I truly don't think that the intention of the (proposed?) bill has any intention of restricting .22 cal. rifles. We're talking about .223, .220 Swift .222 Remington, etc. These are not the honey bee sized bullets that your wife shoots.

But while we're on the subject..... Are you any worse for calling Hillary a cunt than Samantha Bee is for calling Ivanka a cunt, or Roseanne is for calling Valerie Jarret the offspring of the Muslim Brotherhood, and "Planet of the Apes"...?

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Just now, Mrleft8 said:

I truly don't think that the intention of the (proposed?) bill has any intention of restricting .22 cal. rifles.

Then you truly haven't read it. I truly have.

And I cited the section covering my wife's gun in what seemed the appropriate thread.

Here it is again:

On 2/19/2018 at 7:43 AM, Uncooperative Tom said:

n fairness, Feinstein's bill doesn't cover ALL Ruger 10-22 squirrel assault rifles.

The proposed law says:

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‘‘(36)   The   term   ‘semiautomatic  assault  weapon’ means any of the following, regardless of country of manufacture or caliber of ammunition accepted:


 ‘‘(A)  A  semiautomatic  rifle  that  has  the  capacity  to  accept  a  detachable  magazine and any 1 of the following:

   ‘‘(i) A pistol grip.

   ‘‘(ii) A forward grip.
                                                                                                               
   ‘‘(iii)  A  folding,  telescoping,  or  detachable stock.
   ‘‘(iv)  A  grenade  launcher  or  rocket  launcher.
   ‘‘(v) A barrel shroud.
   ‘‘(vi) A threaded barrel.

 ‘‘(B)  A  semiautomatic  rifle  that  has  a  fixed magazine  with  the  capacity  to  accept  more  than  10 rounds,  except  for  an  attached  tubular  device  designed  to  accept,  and  capable  of  operating  only  with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.

 

That last bit exempts my assault weapon.

There is also a list of exemptions for various models of rimfire rifles. It says, in part:

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‘‘Ruger  10/22  Autoloading  Carbine  (w/o folding stock)
‘‘Ruger 10/22 Compact
‘‘Ruger 10/22 Sporter
‘‘Ruger 10/22 Target

The bolded part is the problem. My wife put a telescoping stock on her gun, indicating her disdain for the lives of children.

They specifically exempt a whole bunch of Ruger 10/22's but NOT the one with the telescoping stock.

Arguments that they didn't intend what they clearly wrote just don't hold water.

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12 minutes ago, Uncooperative Tom said:

Then you truly haven't read it. I truly have.

And I cited the section covering my wife's gun in what seemed the appropriate thread.

Here it is again:

They specifically exempt a whole bunch of Ruger 10/22's but NOT the one with the telescoping stock.

Arguments that they didn't intend what they clearly wrote just don't hold water.

Then, to be perfectly honest, bring this to their attention, not ours. Otherwise you just sound like another whining asshole (Which I don't think you are).

 

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14 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said:

Then, to be perfectly honest, bring this to their attention, not ours. Otherwise you just sound like another whining asshole (Which I don't think you are).

 

But I'm trying to help.

On 11/10/2017 at 4:46 PM, badlatitude said:
"We’re introducing an updated Assault Weapons Ban for one reason: so that after every mass shooting with a military-style assault weapon, the American people will know that a tool to reduce these massacres is sitting in the Senate, ready for debate and a vote. 

“This bill won’t stop every mass shooting, but it will begin removing these weapons of war from our streets. The first Assault Weapons Ban was just starting to show an effect when the NRA stymied its reauthorization in 2004. Yes, it will be a long process to reduce the massive supply of these assault weapons in our country, but we’ve got to start somewhere. 

“To those who say now isn’t the time, they’re right—we should have extended the original ban 13 years ago, before hundreds more Americans were murdered with these weapons of war. To my colleagues in Congress, I say do your job."

....................................................... 

Joining Senator Feinstein on the bill are Senators Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), Chris Murphy (D-Conn.), Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), Patty Murray (D-Wash.), Jack Reed (D-R.I.), Tom Carper (D-Del.), Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.), Ben Cardin (D-Md.), Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), Al Franken (D-Minn.), Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii), Mazie Hirono (D-Hawaii), Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Ed Markey (D-Mass.), Cory Booker (D-N.J.), Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.) and Bob Casey (D-Pa.).


They went to all that trouble to create a tool to get weapons of war like my wife's .22 off the streets and so I figured it would be OK to read it and talk about it.

My sources here are badlat quoting Senator Feinstein. It's not like I'm bringing in evil propaganda. They think we should discuss DOING SOMETHING.

Through such discussion, people such as yourself can learn interesting facts, like the fact that they definitely intend to cover our .22's.

What's so wrong about learning such things? Were you better off not knowing?

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I'm not the least bit afraid that they'll take my .22s away.

 And I seriously doubt that even Diane Feinstein intends to inconvenience your wife.

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6 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said:

I'm not the least bit afraid that they'll take my .22s away.

 And I seriously doubt that even Diane Feinstein intends to inconvenience your wife.

Actually, my wife is the only person she does not intend to inconvenience. Because her bill is not just about banning .22's, but about background checks too.

As I detailed in the appropriate thread, anyone else who shoots her assault weapon in our back yard must first go to town for a background check.

On 2/19/2018 at 5:08 AM, Uncooperative Tom said:

The law DiFi proposed says this:

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‘‘(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to a temporary transfer of possession for the purpose of participating in target shooting in a licensed target facility or established range if—

 ‘‘(A) the grandfathered semiautomatic assault weapon is, at all times, kept within the premises of the target facility or range; and

                                                        
 ‘‘(B) the transferee is not known to be prohibited from possessing or receiving a grandfathered semiautomatic assault weapon.

 

Like every background check law, it doesn't just cover sales. It covers transfers. And some transfers are exempt from the background check requirement.

Like handing a gun to someone at a range.

But what kind of range? Well, she says, "a licensed target facility or established range."

My back yard isn't a licensed target facility but might be an established range. If you start digging in an area and find lots of shell casings, does that area then qualify as an "established range" for purposes of background check exemption?

Any fans of "universal" background checks want to chime in?


I think the answer to my question is obvious. There's no way in hell that DiFi would recognize my yard as an "established range" so anyone wanting to shoot my wife's battlefield .22 would need a background check. Except, of course, my wife.

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Well come on up here Tom. I have a shooting range that the cops and prison officials all know about, and occasionally use. You and your wife can shoot as much as you like w/o fear of molestation, as long as you leave the turtles and the dog, and the cat alone...... Oh and the wife.... I don't let her near guns.

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5 hours ago, Mrleft8 said:

Well come on up here Tom. I have a shooting range that the cops and prison officials all know about, and occasionally use. You and your wife can shoot as much as you like w/o fear of molestation, as long as you leave the turtles and the dog, and the cat alone...... Oh and the wife.... I don't let her near guns.

That's in Florida, right? There's this other gun ban that could be a problem too.

Just like at the federal level, their intent to ban .22's is obvious from the bill text that I posted in that thread. That one is worse, in my view, because it also includes my .22 with fixed tubular magazine and because it prohibits transferring the guns, in effect requiring confiscation upon our deaths.

It's strange to me that you, Mark, and others are unaware of the legislation banning our .22's as assault weapons. I'd think you might have read it yourself, or at least noticed some of my posts on the subject and wondered if what I was saying was true.

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6 hours ago, Uncooperative Tom said:

That's in Florida, right? There's this other gun ban that could be a problem too.

Just like at the federal level, their intent to ban .22's is obvious from the bill text that I posted in that thread. That one is worse, in my view, because it also includes my .22 with fixed tubular magazine and because it prohibits transferring the guns, in effect requiring confiscation upon our deaths.

It's strange to me that you, Mark, and others are unaware of the legislation banning our .22's as assault weapons. I'd think you might have read it yourself, or at least noticed some of my posts on the subject and wondered if what I was saying was true.

Florida, correct. Nothing in that bill you posted will affect my .22s, so you can borrow one of them.

Also remember that this is NORTH Florida, which is very different from South Florida. Think cowboys and mud trucks, peanut farms and Daisy Dukes on women weighing 400lbs. We're not talking South Beach here.

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6 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said:

 

Also remember that this is NORTH Florida, which is very different from South Florida. Think cowboys and mud trucks, peanut farms and Daisy Dukes on women weighing 400lbs. We're not talking South Beach here.

We live in the CSA. I tend to get more potato, cabbage and corn farmers over this way, but I do see guys on vacant lots selling “Boiled P-Nuts” out of the back of their truck. 

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14 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

We live in the CSA. I tend to get more potato, cabbage and corn farmers over this way, but I do see guys on vacant lots selling “Boiled P-Nuts” out of the back of their truck. 

Oh there's corn..... But it's all (mostly) silage corn, not sweet corn. North Florida Peanuts farm is about 2 miles east of me.

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25 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said:

Florida, correct. Nothing in that bill you posted will affect my .22s, so you can borrow one of them.

Also remember that this is NORTH Florida, which is very different from South Florida. Think cowboys and mud trucks, peanut farms and Daisy Dukes on women weighing 400lbs. We're not talking South Beach here.

I have a single shot .22, so I have one that is not covered by the federal or FL bans.

I just want to keep our other assault weapons, which include a couple of other .22's. And if I get a .22 handgun assault weapon, I will want to keep that one too.

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21 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

You seem manically obsessed with 22’s.  You probably shouldn’t be allowed near them.

Not sure why it seems that way to you. It just so happens that the assault weapons we own include .22's. If we had some other kinds of assault weapons, I'd probably talk about those.

.22's are good, though, because even people without much clue about gunz know that they're not weapons of war. So they're useful for illustrating the BS of the primary TeamD gun control goal.

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14 hours ago, Mrleft8 said:

I truly don't think that the intention of the (proposed?) bill has any intention of restricting .22 cal. rifles. We're talking about .223, .220 Swift .222 Remington, etc. These are not the honey bee sized bullets that your wife shoots.

But while we're on the subject..... Are you any worse for calling Hillary a cunt than Samantha Bee is for calling Ivanka a cunt, or Roseanne is for calling Valerie Jarret the offspring of the Muslim Brotherhood, and "Planet of the Apes"...?

The road to hell is paved in good intentions. That's the point that Tom is beating into the ground, the people authoring such bans have intentions but wind up drawing in other guns as well. How can you govern something when you can't describe it properly. 

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5 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

I own a car it’s a pretty nice car.  I like it.   You won’t see me droning on about it even on car forums,  I bet over 50% of your posts include references to guns or 22’s.

its disturbing

Is the government trying to take you car away or make it illegal to own because a senator decided she doesn't like the way it looks? 

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53 minutes ago, chinabald said:

The road to hell is paved in good intentions. That's the point that Tom is beating into the ground, the people authoring such bans have intentions but wind up drawing in other guns as well. How can you govern something when you can't describe it properly. 

By fighting every reasonable policy to keep the guns out of the hands of kid killers, the alternatives are going to be even less palatable to you. Too fucking bad.

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2 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

By fighting every reasonable policy to keep the guns out of the hands of kid killers, the alternatives are going to be even less palatable to you. Too fucking bad.

So you think it's reasonable to ban a gun simply because of some sort of adornment and not based on its performance? Yeah that's good legislation. 

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3 hours ago, chinabald said:

So you think it's reasonable to ban a gun simply because of some sort of adornment and not based on its performance? Yeah that's good legislation. 

What you guys have not picked up on yet is that razr, BL, jocal and their elk don’t care if ordinary .22s are banned. Or cosmetic features are banned that have any relevance to making children safer. They have given up on “reasonable “ - or more correctly never bothered to start there - and are instead lashing out out of emotion at anything and everything that they perceive is dangerous. It’s “Pad the Corners” time. They don’t care what rights they trample in the process. They just knows what they knows. 

What they don’t get is that the American public isn’t buying it. The more extreme they become, the more powerful the NRA and such becomes. They CREATED the NRA. THEY made the monster the NRA is now. 

America is sick of the killings. But America sees through the BS narrative that it’s only gunz at fault. Guns were in plentiful supply and far easier to get not too long ago and we didn’t have mass killings like this. Society changed for the worse and now liberals want to blame guns for their failed social policies. And the GOP has plenty of share of the blame in the killings too, so don’t take this as a partisan jab. Society is sick at the moment and taking guns away is not going to address those root causes. 

I think people like Razr, BL, jocal, etc have as much or more children’s blood on their hands as they claim the NRA has for their role in stopping sensible compromise on addressing the underlying causes of this endemic violence. 

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22 hours ago, Uncooperative Tom said:

But I do know the difference.

The TeamD Senators, apparently, do not. Which is  why my wife's Ruger 10/22 is specifically included in the ban I asked you about.

They may be too stupid to discuss, but they're powerful US Senators and people are talking about some as Presidential prospects.

Haven't had enough of Presidents who are too stupid to discuss?

How did you manage to convince yourself it was about the round and not mag capacity? 

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8 hours ago, chinabald said:

So you think it's reasonable to ban a gun simply because of some sort of adornment and not based on its performance? Yeah that's good legislation. 

We tried the first. 

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22 minutes ago, Shootist Jeff said:

I rest my case.  How did that work out for you the first time???

It didn’t, because your elk gutted it.

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8 hours ago, Mark K said:
On 6/2/2018 at 8:35 PM, Uncooperative Tom said:

But I do know the difference.

The TeamD Senators, apparently, do not. Which is  why my wife's Ruger 10/22 is specifically included in the ban I asked you about.

They may be too stupid to discuss, but they're powerful US Senators and people are talking about some as Presidential prospects.

Haven't had enough of Presidents who are too stupid to discuss?

How did you manage to convince yourself it was about the round and not mag capacity? 

I didn't. Instead, I read the law. It's about the round (whether it's rimfire or centerfire, not size) and the mag capacity and the telescoping stock and the threaded barrel and the background check before anyone can shoot my wife's assault weapon in my yard.

In our case, a rimfire gun that accepts a detachable magazine and has a telescoping stock is an assault weapon. That's my wife's battlefield Ruger 10-22. You have some history in the armed forces, right? Did you ever come up against a soldier wielding a Ruger 10-22 with a telescoping stock? If so, how did you ever survive?

As I discussed in another thread, my next assault weapon is likely to be a Ruger handgun in .22lr. It's an "assault weapon" because of the threads. I intend to fuck them up so that they can't be used, but they'll still be illegal.

I think that calling my wife's gun and my soon-to-be gun weapons of war is BS and will continue to say so. Do you have some reasons why those guns are weapons of war that are inappropriate for civilians to own? I'll be happy to consider them. BTW, "you're insane" and "shut up" are not reasons.

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3 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

They did?  How was the original 1996 AWB "gutted"???  I used the googles with the search term "how was the assault weapons ban gutted?" and couldn't find anything that said how it was gutted before it went into effect.  Can you provide me some cites please?  

Instead that search only brought up mostly articles that talked about its abject failure.  Here, try it yourself

That's what they say. What they mean is: it grandfathered existing guns instead of confiscating them. As always, confiscation is the preferred option. That's why the California confiscation program is going to be effective. (On the 20% or so of gun owners who are Cooperative.)

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On 6/2/2018 at 4:29 PM, Mark K said:

Discussing the question with someone who can't tell the difference between these two rounds...

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...would be a discussion with either a moron or a victim of mental illness.

Where did you get the idea that I can't tell the difference?

My ability to read the law and see that it covers my wife's .22 doesn't mean I am unaware of other rounds. It just means I'm aware that TeamD considers her Ruger 10-22 a weapon of war because of the telescoping stock.

Asking me not to mock something that stupid is just asking too much. Sorry.

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On 6/2/2018 at 1:29 PM, Mark K said:

Not really. Discussing the question with someone who can't tell the difference between these two rounds...

 22_223a.jpg

 

...would be a discussion with either a moron or a victim of mental illness. Perhaps someone who has been horribly brain-washed, I dare not guess.  I think it best to leave such in the hands of professionals.    

Great post, Mark. 

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Pretending that I don't know what a .22 is instead of addressing the fact that TeamD treats guns that shoot both rounds the same way.

Yep, great work, if a really lame messenger attack is your goal.

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On 6/4/2018 at 1:34 AM, Uncooperative Tom said:

Where did you get the idea that I can't tell the difference?

My ability to read the law and see that it covers my wife's .22 doesn't mean I am unaware of other rounds. It just means I'm aware that TeamD considers her Ruger 10-22 a weapon of war because of the telescoping stock.

Asking me not to mock something that stupid is just asking too much. Sorry.

Look at your own posts. Assault weapons are obviously ordinary .22's, in your mind. 

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9 hours ago, Mark K said:

Look at your own posts. Assault weapons are obviously ordinary .22's, in your mind. 

That's because, prior to posting, I look at TeamD gun control bills.

I think my wife's Ruger 10-22 is a pretty darn ordinary .22, even though it has a telescoping stock. A group of TeamD Senators disagree and wrote a law saying it's an assault weapon. This one:

https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/f/d/fdca734c-4855-49f3-aa1d-2ed02e791d6d/E5ECBD1B1D722D5C4AEDAEBB6276AB36.awb-bill-text.pdf

Similarly, FL grabberz think my .22 rifle is an assault weapon and wrote a law saying so.

This one:

http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2017/0254/BillText/Filed/HTML

Again, I think a .22 rilfe with a tube magazine is pretty darn ordinary. But again, the definition in the law says mine is an assault weapon.

If you can't trust TeamD politicians as to what is or is not an assault weapon, who can you trust? I thought I was going with a reliable set of sources.

Or is your position that these are not ordinary .22's that we own? If that's the case, what do you think is so extraordinary about them?

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1 minute ago, Uncooperative Tom said:

That's because, prior to posting, I look at TeamD gun control bills.

I think my wife's Ruger 10-22 is a pretty darn ordinary .22, even though it has a telescoping stock. A group of TeamD Senators disagree and wrote a law saying so. This one:

https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/f/d/fdca734c-4855-49f3-aa1d-2ed02e791d6d/E5ECBD1B1D722D5C4AEDAEBB6276AB36.awb-bill-text.pdf

Similarly, FL grabberz think my .22 rifle is an assault weapon and wrote a law saying so.

This one:

http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2017/0254/BillText/Filed/HTML

Again, I think a .22 rilfe with a tube magazine is pretty darn ordinary. But again, the definition in the law says mine is an assault weapon.

If you can't trust TeamD politicians as to what is or is not an assault weapon, who can you trust? I thought I was going with a reliable set of sources.

Or is your position that these are not ordinary .22's that we own? If that's the case, what do you think is so extraordinary about them?

 The docs you linked to state the reasons. What part, to you, bans .22?   

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8 hours ago, Mark K said:

 The docs you linked to state the reasons. What part, to you, bans .22?   

Are you asking about the federal (assault weapon, ordinary .22) ban or the FL one?

And are you trying to create another strawman by saying I think either of them "bans .22" when they clearly don't?

I hope so because lame strawmen amuse me and "you don't know what a .22 is" in a forum where I'm supposedly obsessed with them is a winner, narrowly edging out Steam Flyer's "you must think .22's are harmless."

"You must think these bills 'ban .22'" would be a distant 3rd behind those, but you take what you can get.

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6 hours ago, Uncooperative Tom said:

Are you asking about the federal (assault weapon, ordinary .22) ban or the FL one?

And are you trying to create another strawman by saying I think either of them "bans .22" when they clearly don't?

I hope so because lame strawmen amuse me and "you don't know what a .22 is" in a forum where I'm supposedly obsessed with them is a winner, narrowly edging out Steam Flyer's "you must think .22's are harmless."

"You must think these bills 'ban .22'" would be a distant 3rd behind those, but you take what you can get.

It's your twenty two caliber strawman, not mine.  

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On 6/2/2018 at 4:29 PM, Mark K said:

Discussing the question with someone who can't tell the difference between these two rounds...

 22_223a.jpg

 

...would be a discussion with either a moron or a victim of mental illness. Perhaps someone who has been horribly brain-washed, I dare not guess.  I think it best to leave such in the hands of professionals.  

I agree that the words "regardless of caliber" in her bill indicate that Senator Feinstein is either a moron or a victim of mental illness, or maybe she's just been trapped in the left wing noise machine too long and has been brain washed, as you suggest.

I'm not sure what her problem is, but she's your Senator and she treats guns that fire those two rounds the same. So it's pretty evident that she can't tell the difference.

She may be mentally ill, a moron, or brainwashed, but for whatever reason, she wants to ban ordinary .22's as assault weapons.

Have you written your Senator or her staff to express your concern about her mental condition? Or at least to tell her that banning .22's as assault weapons is stupid?

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On 6/30/2018 at 10:47 PM, Mark K said:

 The docs you linked to state the reasons. What part, to you, bans .22?   

With respect to the federal (assault weapon, ordinary .22) ban, I was just following TeamD suggestions again.

My Cooperative nature is well-established, so I tend to look at a press release when they want me to and I use the terms they want me to use.

Specifically,

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SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the "Assault Weapons Ban of 2017"

Because I consider the shortened title misleading with respect to the ordinary .22's banned by the law, I call the latest version the "(Assault Weapons/Ordinary .22's) Ban of 2018"

For some reason, people think "assault weapon" refers to guns a bit scarier than this one, though the definition in the law makes it plain that this .22 is an assault weapon:

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On 6/30/2018 at 7:08 AM, jocal505 said:

Great post, Mark. 

That posts proves Toms point. Someone who can’t tell the difference between those shouldn’t be in the discussion of banning guns. And yet they are. 

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2 hours ago, chinabald said:

That posts proves Toms point. Someone who can’t tell the difference between those shouldn’t be in the discussion of banning guns running gov't. And yet they are. 

FIFY

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11 hours ago, chinabald said:

That posts proves Toms point. Someone who can’t tell the difference between those shouldn’t be in the discussion of banning guns. And yet they are. 

 Only for those who can imagine the thing being targeted wasn't large cap mags...so just imagine!  

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6 minutes ago, chinabald said:

Actually its collapsible stocks. But carry on.  

 Yet another way to not see the mentioning of mag cap size! That's the spirit!

 Problem with that red herring is it also refutes Tom's red herring of it being about type of ammo.  

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8 hours ago, Mark K said:

 Only for those who can imagine the thing being targeted wasn't large cap mags...so just imagine!  

Those are among the things targeted, but far from alone.

https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/f/d/fdca734c-4855-49f3-aa1d-2ed02e791d6d/E5ECBD1B1D722D5C4AEDAEBB6276AB36.awb-bill-text.pdf

In the case of my wife's .22, the law makes no mention of the magazine size. Just that it can accept a detachable magazine.

As I'm sure someone with a military background knows, a Ruger 10-22 with a telescoping stock is a battlefield weapon that's not appropriate for civilians. An "assault weapon."

That's why it is banned, not because of anything to do with the size of the magazine.

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8 hours ago, Mark K said:

 Yet another way to not see the mentioning of mag cap size! That's the spirit!

 Problem with that red herring is it also refutes Tom's red herring of it being about type of ammo.  

Another lie.

I have never said it was about type of ammo. It's not, and I quoted the part of the law that says "regardless of caliber" above.

You know, the part that proves your Senator is a moron or unstable in your view? Have you contacted her or her staff about that situation yet?

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6 hours ago, Mark K said:

OK...O---Kaaaayyyy then... if you're gonna be that way... 

 

 

 

Ah, the days of Duopoly unity!

It was fading by that point. His father was the one who was "for" banning (assault weapons, ordinary .22's). W just said he would sign such a ban if it arrived on his desk. It was one of the reasons I wouldn't vote for him and I delighted in telling TeamR people at the time that I was going to vote for someone who did not want to ban ordinary rifles.

They reacted just about like people here react to such talk today. It pissed them off almost as much as when I told them their precious drug war was stupid.

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On 7/3/2018 at 5:44 AM, chinabald said:

That post (a pic of a .22 round next to a .223 round) proves Toms point. Someone who can’t tell the difference between those shouldn’t be in the discussion of banning guns. And yet they are. 

Well, Feinstein can tell the difference between these rounds better than Tom. @Uncooperative Tom polluted our boards with constant confusion about the difference between the firepower.

Is he still doing it? I don't know. I split rather than read such dumb shit all over the place.

I reject your logic, chinabald. A person who is a technical gunhead should not have more say in gun restriction policy. They should be factored for the culture and outcome they represent

.22 vs .223.jpg

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On 7/4/2018 at 1:35 AM, Uncooperative Tom said:

That's why it is banned, not because of anything to do with the size of the magazine.

You are still on this kick? On a daily basis what percentage of your personal creativity is wrapped up in this silly nonsense?

Tell us just what has satisfied you for 19 months, as you proceeded with this behavior.

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On 7/4/2018 at 1:37 AM, Uncooperative Tom said:

Another lie.

I have never said it was about type of ammo.

Wow.

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3 hours ago, jocal505 said:

Wow.

Have you considered actually reading the legislation before actually commenting on it, Joe? Consider it a change of pace - instead of taking the word of a grabber group, actually read it yourself.

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7 hours ago, jocal505 said:

Well, Feinstein can tell the difference between these rounds better than Tom. @Uncooperative Tom polluted our boards with constant confusion about the difference between the firepower.

Is he still doing it? I don't know. I split rather than read such dumb shit all over the place.

I reject your logic, chinabald. A person who is a technical gunhead should not have more say in gun restriction policy. They should be factored for the culture and outcome they represent

.22 vs .223.jpg

I’m not looking for technical gun knowledge. But basic gun knowledge would be nice. As for Tom, it seems like when a gun thread gets going one of your elk brings up .22s before he does. So if you don’t like it, talk to your crowd. 

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On 7/7/2018 at 3:51 AM, jocal505 said:

Well, Feinstein can tell the difference between these rounds better than Tom.

Manifestly untrue. Not that Joe is lying. He just doesn't know because of the whole not reading thing, but that's his thing.

On 6/6/2018 at 6:29 AM, Uncooperative Tom said:

The part of my shopping list related to handguns says this:

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(36) The term ‘semiautomatic assault weapon’ means any of the following, regardless of country of manufacture or caliber of ammunition accepted:
...
(D) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any 1 of the following:

(i) A threaded barrel.

(ii) A second pistol grip.

(iii) A barrel shroud.

(iv) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.

(v) A semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm.

 

 

 

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On 7/7/2018 at 8:51 AM, chinabald said:

I’m not looking for technical gun knowledge. But basic gun knowledge would be nice. As for Tom, it seems like when a gun thread gets going one of your elk brings up .22s before he does. So if you don’t like it, talk to your crowd. 

See? Tom created confusion with a talking point/strawman based on nonsense. Under this sustained barrage, sailors (quality humans all) assimilated it into their culture. Tom Ray is their influence, and nonsense is good enough for them.

You idiots are made for each other IMO.

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On 7/8/2018 at 2:10 AM, Uncooperative Tom said:
On 7/7/2018 at 12:51 AM, jocal505 said:

 

Manifestly untrue. Not that Joe is lying. He just doesn't know because of the whole not reading thing, but that's his thing.

That's right. I reject all this ordinary .22 nonsense. I don't bother reading TR's garbage.

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If you bothered reading Feinstein's nonsense, you'd know why I say it covers ordinary .22's. Because of this part:

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regardless of country of manufacture or caliber of ammunition accepted:

https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/f/d/fdca734c-4855-49f3-aa1d-2ed02e791d6d/E5ECBD1B1D722D5C4AEDAEBB6276AB36.awb-bill-text.pdf

It's the kind of thing that would only be written by...

On 6/2/2018 at 4:29 PM, Mark K said:

someone who can't tell the difference between these two rounds...

 22_223a.jpg

You know,

On 6/2/2018 at 4:29 PM, Mark K said:

a moron or a victim of mental illness. Perhaps someone who has been horribly brain-washed

 

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3 hours ago, jocal505 said:

See? Tom created confusion with a talking point/strawman based on nonsense. Under this sustained barrage, sailors (quality humans all) assimilated it into their culture. Tom Ray is their influence, and nonsense is good enough for them.

You idiots are made for each other IMO.

Standard deflection from you. When you don’t have the means to effectively debate the point you pretend it’s not worthy of discussing. Then you begin name calling.

If you truly believed this was strawman nonsense you wouldn’t have posted a response.  

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On 7/10/2018 at 8:27 AM, chinabald said:

Standard deflection from you. When you don’t have the means to effectively debate the point you pretend it’s not worthy of discussing. Then you begin name calling.

If you truly believed this was strawman nonsense you wouldn’t have posted a response.  

That's the standard procedure for dealing with someone who disagrees with TeamD bans on (assault weapons, ordinary .22's).

It's quite evident that the TeamD Senators don't know or care that there's a difference between the two rounds Mark K posted.

It's also quite evident that Mark doesn't really think such people are morons. He just wanted to call me names for opposing gun bans.

Just like pretty much every other member of the chorus here.

They always say I'm putting up a strawman (Mark and others), being disingenuous (TeamD Ranger and others), unaware that .22's are lethal (Steam Flyer and others) or mentally ill (Ed Lada and others), not worthy of debating (Bus Driver, Sol, and others) because I point out the fact that TeamD wishes to ban (assault weapons, ordinary .22's).

When your only answer to a fact is to attack the person presenting it, your arguments have a problem. The chorus has that problem with the fact that assault weapon means ordinary .22.

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Speaking of being a cunt, some forum administrator has disabled my ability to talk about my assault weapon by naming the caliber.

I guess if you can't counter an argument, you suppress it. Or try.

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Looks like I can still post assault weapon images.

SWVictory22silver-flower.jpg

So I guess I'll have to just use an image instead of a reference to the caliber.

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On 7/27/2018 at 10:11 AM, dogballs Tom said:

Speaking of being a cunt, some forum administrator has disabled my ability to talk about my assault weapon by naming the caliber.

I guess if you can't counter an argument, you suppress it. Or try.

marlin-assault-rifles.jpg

Looks like I can still post assault weapon images.

(pics of dogballs, with flowers)

So I guess I'll have to just use an image instead of a reference to the caliber.

This should work out swell if you don't mind neutralizing yourself, and if your database doesn't crash.

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On 7/10/2018 at 3:31 AM, dogballs Tom said:

If you bothered reading Feinstein's nonsense, you'd know why I say it covers ordinary dogballs's. Because of this part:

I looked at it. 100 pages of single-spaced, outlawed gun models, and 25 pages of text.  DiFi is being very specific. It seems she is attempting to represent your interests, with integrity, but that you are insatiable for details. 

Only one side of this major controversy is losing sleep.

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On 6/2/2018 at 4:29 PM, Mark K said:

Not really. Discussing the question with someone who can't tell the difference between these two rounds...

 22_223a.jpg

 

...would be a discussion with either a moron or a victim of mental illness. Perhaps someone who has been horribly brain-washed, I dare not guess.  I think it best to leave such in the hands of professionals.    

Uh oh.

11 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

Shoot someone with that little tiny dogballs round and they will meet their maker at exactly the same time as someone shot with that larger round. Who are you kidding?


Mark? You want to field that one, or should we summon the people in white coats?

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6 hours ago, Blue Crab said:
7 hours ago, dogballs Tom said:

The fact that her gun, like many others, can be illegally modified does not mean that it's "crap" to point out that her gun is an "assault weapon" just like an AR 15 or any other scary black gun. It just means I do what others here do not and read the definitions in laws. Why that's offensive is beyond me. Because illegal mods are possible? Huh?

"Possible" ... good one. A kid could do it in 20 minutes. We're not talking machine shop work here or specialty tools. 

Wake the fuck up. 


Mark?

Got another one who can't tell the difference between a squirrel gun and a battlefield gun. I'll just start piling them up here so we'll have a central thread to which to send the people in white coats.

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5 hours ago, dogballs Tom said:

"Possible" ... good one. A kid could do it in 20 minutes. We're not talking machine shop work here or specialty tools. 

Wake the fuck up. 

Unmodified, Tom's Marlins on the blue blankie shoot eighteen or fifteen rounds; they are not harmless. Wake the fuck up, while crusading for gunz.

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1 hour ago, Shootist Jeff said:
11 hours ago, Sean said:

To get around the shield law, plaintiffs would have to prove negligence. Can the act of manufacturing guns be considered negligent?

No


I agree with Jeff's answer but would point out that, for purposes of competing in a TeamD Presidential Primary, the correct answer is "yes," as Bernie showed when he folded like a cheap tent after Hillary attacked him on that issue.

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9 minutes ago, Importunate Tom said:


I agree with Jeff's answer but would point out that, for purposes of competing in a TeamD Presidential Primary, the correct answer is "yes," as Bernie showed when he folded like a cheap tent after Hillary attacked him on that issue.

The answer is obviously no. (no sarcasm font on my iPhone).

i think the question of negligence centers on the manufacturers marketing campaign. 

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13 minutes ago, Importunate Tom said:

Do you think it's reckless to name a car model Charger?

No. In case you missed it, I haven’t taken a position on this. I’m tired of banging my head against the wall. 

Enjoy your gun thread. 

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