MauiPunter 1,395 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 I love it. Good on her!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
savoir 219 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 WOW ! That's one tough dude . . . er sorry . . . dudeperson Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rasputin22 3,502 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Great video and good on Elizabeth. Her skills on canvas capture the light on water perfectly. She should be on Patreon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 10,654 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 That's the first one of that genre I have watched all the way through in years. I sent the link to my wife, we'll see what she thinks of that concept. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
klusterfx 0 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Awesome creativity and strength. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 1,518 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Well done, and nice art work.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kris Cringle 2,172 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 That's a great piece. She has a knack telling a story. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vjm 2 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Wonderful! So poignant and inspiring at the same time. I love that she is so humble and so introspective about her progress in learning to singlehand. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
monsoon 328 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 I love it. Good on her!! ++1 Wonderfully English. Honest and understated Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IStream 3,420 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Inspiring. And her paintings are beautiful. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ajax 2,984 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 That was great. An interesting boat and an interesting person doing interesting things. If Dylan weren't married, I'd start a fund to put them together. You could see her sailing experience in all the little things she did while handling the boat. She's got skills. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MauiPunter 1,395 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 I would donate to her adventure in a second compared to a Rimas drift-a-thon-of-incompetence. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hobot 4,431 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Of course there are loads of downsides to paying guests. But if you absolutely need some kind of cash flow to support your lifestyle, it has merits. For example, I am off to rent a power snake this morning, for about the tenth time in a year, to mine out a wad of tampons from the sewer. (And make a larger warning sign. Apparently the existing one is obscured if the toilet seat is left up. Or people just don't give a shit. (I should just buy the damned power snake.) On a boat, you'd probably need to enjoy rebuilding the head every week. Awesome tool for the simple stuff . http://m.homedepot.com/p/Ryobi-18-Volt-ONE-Drain-Auger-Tool-Only-P4001/206405601 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IStream 3,420 Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 I don't think I have ever seen such a tiny keel on such a big boat. I watched all their videos, only 4 so far. It's called trainwreck syndrome. They have been aboard about a month and already the children are getting pretty pissed off. It's off the rails, at least temporarily. They spent so long installing and fixing their myriad of toys that they ran right into the hurricane season. Along the way they seem to have picked up a stalker thanks to their habit of over-sharing so they pulled their website down about a month ago. However, they still have a You Tube channel on which they beg people not to unsubscribe. The latest is that they're going quiet until November, so they must've hopped in the Hummer and hightailed it back to the ranch. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vjm 2 Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 I do criminal defense, and people really don't appreciate how their blogs and online presence make them vulnerable to folks who are unbalanced. It's not really common, but we get plenty of stalking and harassment type cases that arise from Internet info. All that pole dancing for attention and dollars requires you to be accessible. Some caution is a really good idea. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,969 Posted September 3, 2016 Author Share Posted September 3, 2016 I do criminal defense, and people really don't appreciate how their blogs and online presence make them vulnerable to folks who are unbalanced. It's not really common, but we get plenty of stalking and harassment type cases that arise from Internet info. All that pole dancing for attention and dollars requires you to be accessible. Some caution is a really good idea. I doubt that anyone wiill start stalking a 60 year old bloke with moobs but I do worry a bit about my house when I am not there on the other hand there is bugger-all there worth nicking now that the outboards have gone Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,969 Posted September 3, 2016 Author Share Posted September 3, 2016 indiententally currently at anchor in Portree on Skye it will be a five layer day but I will be sailing through one of the finest sailing grounds yet designed by the good lord except for the cold of course I welcome the babes and their bikinis though - it makes KTL stand out from the cloud a little bit of history, bit of humour, brilliant sailing - but an ugly old bloke sailing a dull old boat in a cool place D Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Grey Dawn 20 Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 Beautiful shot, Dylan! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,969 Posted September 4, 2016 Author Share Posted September 4, 2016 Beautiful shot, Dylan! Scotland..... 120 incheaa of rain a year though really learning to appreciate the skies.. it is the view from my cockpit - the boat is currently on a mooring in Plockton I live in Oxford - 12 hour drive aaaagh! but I have never been anywhere with such brilliant skies - better than the prairies. The sunsets go on for hours in the summer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Weyalan 322 Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 I think this genre of wenches and winches is about to implode. It's a frequent & confident prediction made by arthouse film directors about Hollywood. Since, oh, 1920 or so. "Ve have reached saturation in ze superheroes and ze violence and ze gratuitous nudity. Zer is a craving for ze reality, for good dialog, and for overzoomed crosscuts of two people havink difficult conversations." And yet. Box office numbers continue to favor Tits&Explosions 50:1 over Closet Dramas. Most people want Tits&Explosions. Mutants in spandex. Plot holes plugged with motorcycle chases thru Kwaloon. Most don't go to cinema & plunk down $12 to see some mensch waving a toilet plunger around and crying about how hard plumbing is. They can get that at home. Just enuf people want artcore films, or documentaries about Syrian refugee camps, to keep that side of things alive. We're grateful for the folks who produce such work and for the viewers who support it. But cinema verite is a niche, it always will be. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that -- and nothing to be gained by moaning about it. JP Sartre made art films. About as arty as art films get. Ten living people have watched them. Sartre also diagnosed the essential disease of fin de siècle white folk. Nausea. It's the dissonance between what we want and what we get. "Why can't the universe function the way I think it ought to?!" Because: who the fuck are you, really? Happiness -- small, tentative, happiness -- comes from pursuing what is important to us, and allowing others to do the same, without trying to overreach our own spheres of influence. Wiki summarizes it pretty well: In his resolution at the end of the book he accepts the indifference of the physical world to man's aspirations. He is able to see that realization not only as a regret but also as an opportunity. People are free to make their own meaning: a freedom that is also a responsibility, because without that commitment there will be no meaning. So keep on making top films of shooting the Scafa Flow on a bilge keeler, tanbark, anoraks, and Interesting Historical Facts. They are brilliant productions. There is an audience, tho it is and always shall be a small audience. The films' value lies in their sense the maker really cares about his subject. Hollywood ain't worried: Tits&Explosions Inc. remains strong. And let's be glad that pretty kids in warm places & minimal clothing are romping around tropical paradises, having lots of sex (remember sex? It's a Fun Thing Kids Do) and squealing over dolphins like they've never seen one before, geesh. If we want to sell sailing to a younger generation, as we so often attest, these newbs sell it better than cold people in Orkney rain. We can argue their commitment to the life ("Anyone can be a sailor in the BVIs! They're just spoilt panhandlers"), but existentially, that's none of our business. They make their meaning and live with it, we make our own. This isn't zero sum. The people who will enjoy and subscribe to your videos put "sailing AND scotland" in the search box. People who search "sailing bikinis" will be happier with Cheeky Monkey. Quoted just because it is the most perspicacity I've read in a relatively small post for quite some time. Bravo. Bravo squared, even. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hobot 4,431 Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 Beautiful shot, Dylan! Scotland..... 120 incheaa of rain a year though really learning to appreciate the skies.. it is the view from my cockpit - the boat is currently on a mooring in Plockton I live in Oxford - 12 hour drive aaaagh! but I have never been anywhere with such brilliant skies - better than the prairies. The sunsets go on for hours in the summer Yea, but parts of that drive must be very beautiful, especially as you get near to where your boat is moored. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
psychosailing 1 Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 Some mornings have a special light in New England Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anomaly2 108 Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 Some mornings have a special light in New England And some evenings do too. This past Friday, for example. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
olaf hart 780 Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 Twilight at Port Ludlow Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MauiPunter 1,395 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 How you like dem apples? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
southerncross 3,902 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 How you like dem apples? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6Peu07J8aY Tell me about it. I just posted this on the Boating on a Budget thread. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Grey Dawn 20 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Wow! They are the new reality TV stars. It's great brand marketing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MauiPunter 1,395 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I cant tell you how disappointed I am they are not going to be on a monohull. Anyways, good on them... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,969 Posted September 20, 2016 Author Share Posted September 20, 2016 How you like dem apples? excellent news there always has to be a top of the heap SV delos - 30 million hits and $5,000 per film from patreon has been top for a year or so they have done really well https://www.youtube.com/user/briantrautman/about https://www.patreon.com/svdelos and no free boat Vagabonde with 20 million hits and $7,000 per film from patreon https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZdQjaSoLjIzFnWsDQOv4ww/about https://www.patreon.com/LaVagabonde and a free boat (or is it a free boat?) As an old hack it has been really interesting watching this market grow and develop. People can reach out and make direct contact with their viewers. we have Chase the story who have invested heavily in their project https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAfTNlPDzH9Iq1JorOZ22Jg/about https://www.patreon.com/chasethestory who are yet to hit paydirt. It all goes to show that a good looking woman in a bikini is a powerful driver of the visual image Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Ed 440 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Of course there are loads of downsides to paying guests. But if you absolutely need some kind of cash flow to support your lifestyle, it has merits. For example, I am off to rent a power snake this morning, for about the tenth time in a year, to mine out a wad of tampons from the sewer. (And make a larger warning sign. Apparently the existing one is obscured if the toilet seat is left up. Or people just don't give a shit. (I should just buy the damned power snake.) On a boat, you'd probably need to enjoy rebuilding the head every week. I'm very good at rebuilding the head. I have one rule - don't talk to me while doing it. I can only deal with the more disgusting parts of the job by establishing a sort of mind and body separation, so I go into a sort of calm abstracted inner space. Zen and the art of other people's poo. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
savoir 219 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I doubt that it's a free boat Dylan. There is probably a contract for a couple of years worth of free usage. Chances are they will surrender the boat after that unless the sales are huge. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,969 Posted September 20, 2016 Author Share Posted September 20, 2016 I doubt that it's a free boat Dylan. There is probably a contract for a couple of years worth of free usage. Chances are they will surrender the boat after that unless the sales are huge. the phrase million dollar deal...... leaves all sorts of things wide open still...... goodonem both they are fine looking couple with a fine looking boat sailing in some fine looking places and making some lovely videos not exactly sure where they are as one golden sunkissed paradise looks much the same as the next one. I am not that keen on good looking women spoiling their perfect skins with tatty nonsense tatoos Quote Link to post Share on other sites
psychosailing 1 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 It seems they landed a job as testimonials/campaign directors/producers. I hope it pays well. They will have tons of more resources and assistance to step up their work. It's going to be interesting to see how it's going to change or if the frenchies will like to spread their brand all over making it an obvious commercial campaign. It is definitely a new era of advertisement, now the brands come to your youtube feed producing video series. So far the Vagabondes have been very good amateurs and I think that helped with the views and followers. Amateur sailors, amateur videographers that nailed the you can do it too dream for screen surfers with tons of followers. The chick helped more than the mustached guy, but overall they are fun, pleasant and interesting people with an accent. I hope the Outremers people will be smart enough to keep that going. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bryanjb 187 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Good for them, they seem to be a genuine fun loving couple. I suppose if you can make millions playing video games then why not a free boat while chronicling your travels be sail? The yacht maker will love all the exposure and it should help sales. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 1,518 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Well done, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,969 Posted September 20, 2016 Author Share Posted September 20, 2016 It seems they landed a job as testimonials/campaign directors/producers. I hope it pays well. They will have tons of more resources and assistance to step up their work. It's going to be interesting to see how it's going to change or if the frenchies will like to spread their brand all over making it an obvious commercial campaign. It is definitely a new era of advertisement, now the brands come to your youtube feed producing video series. So far the Vagabondes have been very good amateurs and I think that helped with the views and followers. Amateur sailors, amateur videographers that nailed the you can do it too dream for screen surfers with tons of followers. The chick helped more than the mustached guy, but overall they are fun, pleasant and interesting people with an accent. I hope the Outremers people will be smart enough to keep that going. It will be really interesting to see what happens to their Patreon account and their style of film-making https://www.patreon.com/LaVagabonde 1 episode a week at the moment $7K per film It would be a shame to damage that revenue by over branding the free french $1,000,000 yacht. at the moment they have 1000 patrons - 392 pledging more than $5 a film so that is a $20 a month habit for those patrons more than my whiskey budget If each month you notice that your paypal account is diverting $20 a month towards a lovely couple sailing a one million dollar catamaran then I assume an as yet unknown percentage of people will pull out of the Patreon committment. The youtube income will be paltry making their dependence on the Cat company become ever more important. There is more to making films than just acquiring a boat - the overheads are high. They are working really hard to turn out a film a week. One thing they need to guard against is doing the dreaded extended Patreon yak to camera. The whole story and the narrative style will change now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Ed 440 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 OK, enough love already. To be honest, I felt like sicking up after watching two minutes of them. There's nothing more depressing than having fun, if you ask me, unless it's watching other people having fun. They make Dylan look like a master of his genre. But then, Dylan is a master of his genre. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
psychosailing 1 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 It seems they landed a job as testimonials/campaign directors/producers. I hope it pays well. They will have tons of more resources and assistance to step up their work. It's going to be interesting to see how it's going to change or if the frenchies will like to spread their brand all over making it an obvious commercial campaign. It is definitely a new era of advertisement, now the brands come to your youtube feed producing video series. So far the Vagabondes have been very good amateurs and I think that helped with the views and followers. Amateur sailors, amateur videographers that nailed the you can do it too dream for screen surfers with tons of followers. The chick helped more than the mustached guy, but overall they are fun, pleasant and interesting people with an accent. I hope the Outremers people will be smart enough to keep that going. It will be really interesting to see what happens to their Patreon account and their style of film-making https://www.patreon.com/LaVagabonde 1 episode a week at the moment $7K per film It would be a shame to damage that revenue by over branding the free french $1,000,000 yacht. at the moment they have 1000 patrons - 392 pledging more than $5 a film so that is a $20 a month habit for those patrons more than my whiskey budget If each month you notice that your paypal account is diverting $20 a month towards a lovely couple sailing a one million dollar catamaran then I assume an as yet unknown percentage of people will pull out of the Patreon committment. The youtube income will be paltry making their dependence on the Cat company become ever more important. There is more to making films than just acquiring a boat - the overheads are high. They are working really hard to turn out a film a week. One thing they need to guard against is doing the dreaded extended Patreon yak to camera. The whole story and the narrative style will change now. Yes they probably had put that in account. Chances are that the frenchies will give them more than that, because now with an employer it will be hard to justify patreons . What they did is no longer there, what they have now is a professional gig. The arena is open for the new La Vagabonde! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,969 Posted September 20, 2016 Author Share Posted September 20, 2016 It seems they landed a job as testimonials/campaign directors/producers. I hope it pays well. They will have tons of more resources and assistance to step up their work. It's going to be interesting to see how it's going to change or if the frenchies will like to spread their brand all over making it an obvious commercial campaign. It is definitely a new era of advertisement, now the brands come to your youtube feed producing video series. So far the Vagabondes have been very good amateurs and I think that helped with the views and followers. Amateur sailors, amateur videographers that nailed the you can do it too dream for screen surfers with tons of followers. The chick helped more than the mustached guy, but overall they are fun, pleasant and interesting people with an accent. I hope the Outremers people will be smart enough to keep that going. It will be really interesting to see what happens to their Patreon account and their style of film-making https://www.patreon.com/LaVagabonde 1 episode a week at the moment $7K per film It would be a shame to damage that revenue by over branding the free french $1,000,000 yacht. at the moment they have 1000 patrons - 392 pledging more than $5 a film so that is a $20 a month habit for those patrons more than my whiskey budget If each month you notice that your paypal account is diverting $20 a month towards a lovely couple sailing a one million dollar catamaran then I assume an as yet unknown percentage of people will pull out of the Patreon committment. The youtube income will be paltry making their dependence on the Cat company become ever more important. There is more to making films than just acquiring a boat - the overheads are high. They are working really hard to turn out a film a week. One thing they need to guard against is doing the dreaded extended Patreon yak to camera. The whole story and the narrative style will change now. Yes they probably had put that in account. Chances are that the frenchies will give them more than that, because now with an employer it will be hard to justify patreons . What they did is no longer there, what they have now is a professional gig. The arena is open for the new La Vagabonde! they are definitely taking a risk but who wouldn't do that for a chance of some real sponsorship and a brilliant boat to sail but the risk is to effectively abandon a revenue stream that comes from 1000 people for a revenue stream that comes from one if, in two years time, the cat people pull the plugs then rebuilding those 1000 patreon commitments will be an uphill struggle. Incidentally one of the blokes who had been watching my films contracted diabetes and stopped sailing. He was going to scrap the boat - instead he sold it to me for £1 a year later, as we had agreed between us, I sold the boat for £8K and gave him £4K D PS - shucks Ed Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hobie Dog 26 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Good for them! BUT... Like most things when you take something that is small, amateur, fun, comfortable like that favorite little beach bar and then Sandals takes it over it ends up being large, professional, too many rules, stuffy, forced and not comfortable trying to share it with 500 tourists. If this turns into nothing more than a weekly marketing commercial to sell boats most people will move on. Good point psycho it looks like that market is open for that next favorite little beach bar. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
southerncross 3,902 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Good for them! BUT... Like most things when you take something that is small, amateur, fun, comfortable like that favorite little beach bar and then Sandals takes it over it ends up being large, professional, too many rules, stuffy, forced and not comfortable trying to share it with 500 tourists. If this turns into nothing more than a weekly marketing commercial to sell boats most people will move on. Good point psycho it looks like that market is open for that next favorite little beach bar. Right on. Accountability. Expectations. Contracts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MauiPunter 1,395 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 It seems they landed a job as testimonials/campaign directors/producers. I hope it pays well. They will have tons of more resources and assistance to step up their work. It's going to be interesting to see how it's going to change or if the frenchies will like to spread their brand all over making it an obvious commercial campaign. It is definitely a new era of advertisement, now the brands come to your youtube feed producing video series. So far the Vagabondes have been very good amateurs and I think that helped with the views and followers. Amateur sailors, amateur videographers that nailed the you can do it too dream for screen surfers with tons of followers. The chick helped more than the mustached guy, but overall they are fun, pleasant and interesting people with an accent. I hope the Outremers people will be smart enough to keep that going. It will be really interesting to see what happens to their Patreon account and their style of film-making https://www.patreon.com/LaVagabonde 1 episode a week at the moment $7K per film It would be a shame to damage that revenue by over branding the free french $1,000,000 yacht. at the moment they have 1000 patrons - 392 pledging more than $5 a film so that is a $20 a month habit for those patrons more than my whiskey budget If each month you notice that your paypal account is diverting $20 a month towards a lovely couple sailing a one million dollar catamaran then I assume an as yet unknown percentage of people will pull out of the Patreon committment. The youtube income will be paltry making their dependence on the Cat company become ever more important. There is more to making films than just acquiring a boat - the overheads are high. They are working really hard to turn out a film a week. One thing they need to guard against is doing the dreaded extended Patreon yak to camera. The whole story and the narrative style will change now. Yes they probably had put that in account. Chances are that the frenchies will give them more than that, because now with an employer it will be hard to justify patreons . What they did is no longer there, what they have now is a professional gig. The arena is open for the new La Vagabonde! they are definitely taking a risk but who wouldn't do that for a chance of some real sponsorship and a brilliant boat to sail but the risk is to effectively abandon a revenue stream that comes from 1000 people for a revenue stream that comes from one if, in two years time, the cat people pull the plugs then rebuilding those 1000 patreon commitments will be an uphill struggle. Incidentally one of the blokes who had been watching my films contracted diabetes and stopped sailing. He was going to scrap the boat - instead he sold it to me for £1 a year later, as we had agreed between us, I sold the boat for £8K and gave him £4K D PS - shucks Ed Why would one stop sailing because they have diabetes unless he lost some limbs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Ed 440 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 It seems they landed a job as testimonials/campaign directors/producers. I hope it pays well. They will have tons of more resources and assistance to step up their work. It's going to be interesting to see how it's going to change or if the frenchies will like to spread their brand all over making it an obvious commercial campaign. It is definitely a new era of advertisement, now the brands come to your youtube feed producing video series. So far the Vagabondes have been very good amateurs and I think that helped with the views and followers. Amateur sailors, amateur videographers that nailed the you can do it too dream for screen surfers with tons of followers. The chick helped more than the mustached guy, but overall they are fun, pleasant and interesting people with an accent. I hope the Outremers people will be smart enough to keep that going. It will be really interesting to see what happens to their Patreon account and their style of film-making https://www.patreon.com/LaVagabonde 1 episode a week at the moment $7K per film It would be a shame to damage that revenue by over branding the free french $1,000,000 yacht. at the moment they have 1000 patrons - 392 pledging more than $5 a film so that is a $20 a month habit for those patrons more than my whiskey budget If each month you notice that your paypal account is diverting $20 a month towards a lovely couple sailing a one million dollar catamaran then I assume an as yet unknown percentage of people will pull out of the Patreon committment. The youtube income will be paltry making their dependence on the Cat company become ever more important. There is more to making films than just acquiring a boat - the overheads are high. They are working really hard to turn out a film a week. One thing they need to guard against is doing the dreaded extended Patreon yak to camera. The whole story and the narrative style will change now. Yes they probably had put that in account. Chances are that the frenchies will give them more than that, because now with an employer it will be hard to justify patreons . What they did is no longer there, what they have now is a professional gig. The arena is open for the new La Vagabonde! they are definitely taking a risk but who wouldn't do that for a chance of some real sponsorship and a brilliant boat to sail but the risk is to effectively abandon a revenue stream that comes from 1000 people for a revenue stream that comes from one if, in two years time, the cat people pull the plugs then rebuilding those 1000 patreon commitments will be an uphill struggle. Incidentally one of the blokes who had been watching my films contracted diabetes and stopped sailing. He was going to scrap the boat - instead he sold it to me for £1 a year later, as we had agreed between us, I sold the boat for £8K and gave him £4K D PS - shucks Ed That's such a good story. Virtue may be its own reward, but it's nice when other people get it too, but people who like boats often do the decent thing: one vendor gave us a flexible price which was contingent on how much we got for ours. We did well and ended up paying him more than his asking price. The man who bought our last boat (that boat in fact) had a series of problems afterwards, and was leaving the boat to rack and ruin - he agreed to sell it back to us for the token single currency unit (plus a significant amount of yard bills). And as to shucks, yes, I'm surprised when I turn out to be a misanthrope. I never wanted to be one. I've never turned the sound on with Vagabonds. Do you think I should? I find it hard to imagine wanting to go for a sail with them. though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bryanjb 187 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I don't know Ed, they seem like a fine couple who are enjoying sailing and seeing the world. Doesn't seem to be much there to dislike. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Ed 440 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Oh dear, I am sounding like a miseryguts. I'd better watch one and see if I still dislike it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,969 Posted September 20, 2016 Author Share Posted September 20, 2016 It seems they landed a job as testimonials/campaign directors/producers. I hope it pays well. They will have tons of more resources and assistance to step up their work. It's going to be interesting to see how it's going to change or if the frenchies will like to spread their brand all over making it an obvious commercial campaign. It is definitely a new era of advertisement, now the brands come to your youtube feed producing video series. So far the Vagabondes have been very good amateurs and I think that helped with the views and followers. Amateur sailors, amateur videographers that nailed the you can do it too dream for screen surfers with tons of followers. The chick helped more than the mustached guy, but overall they are fun, pleasant and interesting people with an accent. I hope the Outremers people will be smart enough to keep that going. It will be really interesting to see what happens to their Patreon account and their style of film-making https://www.patreon.com/LaVagabonde 1 episode a week at the moment $7K per film It would be a shame to damage that revenue by over branding the free french $1,000,000 yacht. at the moment they have 1000 patrons - 392 pledging more than $5 a film so that is a $20 a month habit for those patrons more than my whiskey budget If each month you notice that your paypal account is diverting $20 a month towards a lovely couple sailing a one million dollar catamaran then I assume an as yet unknown percentage of people will pull out of the Patreon committment. The youtube income will be paltry making their dependence on the Cat company become ever more important. There is more to making films than just acquiring a boat - the overheads are high. They are working really hard to turn out a film a week. One thing they need to guard against is doing the dreaded extended Patreon yak to camera. The whole story and the narrative style will change now. Yes they probably had put that in account. Chances are that the frenchies will give them more than that, because now with an employer it will be hard to justify patreons . What they did is no longer there, what they have now is a professional gig. The arena is open for the new La Vagabonde! they are definitely taking a risk but who wouldn't do that for a chance of some real sponsorship and a brilliant boat to sail but the risk is to effectively abandon a revenue stream that comes from 1000 people for a revenue stream that comes from one if, in two years time, the cat people pull the plugs then rebuilding those 1000 patreon commitments will be an uphill struggle. Incidentally one of the blokes who had been watching my films contracted diabetes and stopped sailing. He was going to scrap the boat - instead he sold it to me for £1 a year later, as we had agreed between us, I sold the boat for £8K and gave him £4K D PS - shucks Ed That's such a good story. Virtue may be its own reward, but it's nice when other people get it too, but people who like boats often do the decent thing: one vendor gave us a flexible price which was contingent on how much we got for ours. We did well and ended up paying him more than his asking price. The man who bought our last boat (that boat in fact) had a series of problems afterwards, and was leaving the boat to rack and ruin - he agreed to sell it back to us for the token single currency unit (plus a significant amount of yard bills). And as to shucks, yes, I'm surprised when I turn out to be a misanthrope. I never wanted to be one. I've never turned the sound on with Vagabonds. Do you think I should? I find it hard to imagine wanting to go for a sail with them. though. don't dismiss them they are brilliant at what they do their youtube stats are amazing there is much to admire in their filming and editing The sound is good, everything is brilliantly lit, they both have a good relationship with the camera, the shots are well framed and they move smoothly through the sequences which hang together nicely they do it with an alacrity that leaves me speachless - and all on laptops it will be marvelous to see what they can achieve with a proper budget better gear really helps to make better films it has been a privilege to watch their product grow and develop well worth dipping into I would say us old blokes forget that we have a fast forward button on a video stream nothing wrong with wizzing over the yak to camera bits and watch the sailing - which is well shot and with a drone will get even better there is more to them than just a fine selection of bikinis and tight diving gear they make nice looking films at lightening speed D Quote Link to post Share on other sites
savoir 219 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 So far I don't see any reason why they should lose their Patreon customers. Why not try to keep them all ? Chances are they will lose a few because of the mysterious process by which their future vids will tend to compliment their boat. Some will find it boring and drop out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Ed 440 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 << they are brilliant at what they do their youtube stats are amazing there is much to admire in their filming and editing The sound is good, everything is brilliantly lit, they both have a good relationship with the camera, the shots are well framed and they move smoothly through the sequences which hang together nicely they do it with an alacrity that leaves me speachless - and all on laptops it will be marvelous to see what they can achieve with a proper budget >> Ah, now you're just [!] expressing professional admiration for their skill - I want you to say that you actually like them. Would you go for a sail with them? Do you not find them even a little bit annoying? I'll shut up now, and watch one in bed later, with the litmus test of Mrs. Ed who is much nicer than I am and not at all judgmental or misanthropic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,969 Posted September 20, 2016 Author Share Posted September 20, 2016 I think you have to attempt to analyse why people chip into these projects I assume they are becoming patrons because they feel that they are helping in some measurable way replacement gear, a gallon of fuel, haul-out fees lots of those who chip in - no idea how many - will know more or less what the costs of maintaining a 40 footer in ocean crossing condition are they can see what their income is through patreon so they know what sort of contribution they are making to the project others will chip in because they get two hours of entertaining film a month and it is better value per hour than netflx but as they get the films for free or not that is probably a minority sport unravelling the motivations of the tappers is something of an art we will see if the patreon moves up or down as people realise who is paying the piper If sponsorship from the french cat people allows them to make even better films that reach an ever wider audience then they will no longer need the patrons that will allow those funds to go to the next video sailing startups the next lot might re-invent the genre it is a marvelous system for encouraging talent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bryanjb 187 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 You tell em Dylan. Yes, I would go sailing with them, why not, they seem nice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
savoir 219 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Did Outremer say they were paying some kind of salary ? I thought it was just a free boat. Even then I reckon the deal will be something like " you get the cat for 1 (maybe 2) years then we work out how many cats you have sold for us before proceeding further." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,969 Posted September 20, 2016 Author Share Posted September 20, 2016 credit where credit is due however, I would not like to sail with them it would all be happening way too fast and a boat is a tiny space I believe in slow food, slow sailing, slow film making Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toddster 933 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I suppose my only hope is to work out a deal with major manufacturers to pay me a small stipend to never be seen on one of their boats. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
savoir 219 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I'm having trouble seeing this as a good deal for Outremer. The 45 is their smallest cat and all their models are a high end product. Chances are the sail away price of a new 45 would be around $2m. The sort of people who would be likely to buy such a vessel are unlikely to be fans of these two. The company might have been better off using them to help launch a new, smaller and more affordable model such as a 35. Trouble is we'll have to wait 1 year plus to find out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,969 Posted September 20, 2016 Author Share Posted September 20, 2016 I'm having trouble seeing this as a good deal for Outremer. The 45 is their smallest cat and all their models are a high end product. Chances are the sail away price of a new 45 would be around $2m. The sort of people who would be likely to buy such a vessel are unlikely to be fans of these two. The company might have been better off using them to help launch a new, smaller and more affordable model such as a 35. Trouble is we'll have to wait 1 year plus to find out. and that is the risk laVagabonde couple take. When they start sailing their expensive cat their patreon income will dry up either partially or completely then if the french cat people are not happy with their impact on sales they could pull the plug and LaVagabonde is right back where they started For a while I was earning good money from youtube then one morning their computers decided that they did not like my algorithm and they killed my adsense account my hits were deemed likely to be fraudulent no appeal - strangely enough although I was cut off from the advertising revenue Google still placed ads against the films and pocketed the whole revenue as opposed to sharing a bit with me Quote Link to post Share on other sites
savoir 219 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 It will be much more difficult for them to act like average down home folks with the floating palace they are about to get. I have no doubt it will be exceptional quality. It's hard to be a regular guy when everyone can see your fancy digs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Islander Jack 2 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Would you go for a sail with them? Yes, I would. But then I would also go for a sail with a misanthrope. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IStream 3,420 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Would you go for a sail with them? Yes, I would. But then I would also go for a sail with a misanthrope. BS? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MauiPunter 1,395 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Ah, now you're just [!] expressing professional admiration for their skill - I want you to say that you actually like them. Would you go for a sail with them? Do you not find them even a little bit annoying? I'll shut up now, and watch one in bed later, with the litmus test of Mrs. Ed who is much nicer than I am and not at all judgmental or misanthropic. I would definitely go sailing with them. They are a cool couple who are active and enjoying life. Good on them! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whisper 39 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 My wife and I were watching them for awhile. We'd sail with them. We watch no TV, but my wife has a knack for finding sailing videos. Most of them are lousy. These two are cool. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Ed 440 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Well, Mrs. Ed and I have spent some time this morning with the Vagabonde crew, and her measured comment (as I say she's much nicer than I am) was along the lines of "Well, they seem to be having a lovely time, and that's great". She thought it might be more interesting if one followed them in real time, like the second crop of baby barn owls on the Fambridge webcam http://www.essexwt.org.uk/barn-owl-webcam Once I get over hating them for being young, good looking and clearly not having to deal with some of the shit that I do, I'm afraid I didn't really find much interesting content there. Nice places though. Dylan, as ever I admire your calmness, in this case over what google/youtube did to you. I'd have thrown my toys out of the pram, and gone off to another platform I'm afraid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,969 Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 Well, Mrs. Ed and I have spent some time this morning with the Vagabonde crew, and her measured comment (as I say she's much nicer than I am) was along the lines of "Well, they seem to be having a lovely time, and that's great". She thought it might be more interesting if one followed them in real time, like the second crop of baby barn owls on the Fambridge webcam http://www.essexwt.org.uk/barn-owl-webcam Once I get over hating them for being young, good looking and clearly not having to deal with some of the shit that I do, I'm afraid I didn't really find much interesting content there. Nice places though. Dylan, as ever I admire your calmness, in this case over what google/youtube did to you. I'd have thrown my toys out of the pram, and gone off to another platform I'm afraid. the trouble with chucking stuff out of the pram is that some-one needs to pick them up I can't live without google - making sailing films and keeping them off youtube is like attempting to run a shop up a back alley with the window blinds down and door locked the weird thing is that google owns everything I have created for the past ten years and will own everything I expect to create until I drop off the perch pretty neat huh! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Ed 440 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Well, Mrs. Ed and I have spent some time this morning with the Vagabonde crew, and her measured comment (as I say she's much nicer than I am) was along the lines of "Well, they seem to be having a lovely time, and that's great". She thought it might be more interesting if one followed them in real time, like the second crop of baby barn owls on the Fambridge webcam http://www.essexwt.org.uk/barn-owl-webcam Once I get over hating them for being young, good looking and clearly not having to deal with some of the shit that I do, I'm afraid I didn't really find much interesting content there. Nice places though. Dylan, as ever I admire your calmness, in this case over what google/youtube did to you. I'd have thrown my toys out of the pram, and gone off to another platform I'm afraid. the trouble with chucking stuff out of the pram is that some-one needs to pick them up I can't live without google - making sailing films and keeping them off youtube is like attempting to run a shop up a back alley with the window blinds down and door locked the weird thing is that google owns everything I have created for the past ten years and will own everything I expect to create until I drop off the perch pretty neat huh! What's the deal with Vimeo? ARe they less greedy? You might find your viewers are more loyal than you think. If the Great British Bake off can move, maybe so can you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
klusterfx 0 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Cats and hot women sure,where do i sign up? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,969 Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 Cats and hot women sure,where do i sign up? cats on a boat yeuch! this is milton jones on cat odour Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FreeRadical 0 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 I reckon the videography and production quality of these guys is unmatched. Leaves all those others for dead. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
monsoon 328 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 I reckon the videography and production quality of these guys is unmatched. Leaves all those others for dead. Thanks! the first one is really well done. And, if I'm not mistaken, they're sailing one of Bob's designs, a Lafitte 44. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Ed 440 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 I'm with you. Much more to my taste. Thanks. Very understated. The second one begins with a local launch coming out to them in the middle of an estuary, hitching a halyard to their bollard and heeling them over. No narration - the pictures do the talking. Wholly admirable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MauiPunter 1,395 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 I reckon the videography and production quality of these guys is unmatched. Leaves all those others for dead. Wow, that is well done! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
psychosailing 1 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 I reckon the videography and production quality of these guys is unmatched. Leaves all those others for dead. Thank you for this pearl. I am amazed by the use of slow motion in sailing, which is also slow... very well done, a real talent! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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IStream 3,420 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Nicely done but I got a serious case of deja vu. About 10 years ago three young guys took a run-down Lafitte 44 called SohCahToa out of Seattle and around the world. Is this a thing now? http://interviewwithacruiser.blogspot.com/2011/03/10-questions-for-sohcahtoa.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beer fueled Mayhem 126 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 I reckon the videography and production quality of these guys is unmatched. Leaves all those others for dead. I just found these guys also. Love the quality. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HFC Hunter 147 Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Wow! Maybe Delos should be calling a little employee-owned company in La Rochelle and start negotiating their shiny new free 55' Amel! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LB 15 6,530 Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Ah, now you're just [!] expressing professional admiration for their skill - I want you to say that you actually like them. Would you go for a sail with them? Do you not find them even a little bit annoying? I'll shut up now, and watch one in bed later, with the litmus test of Mrs. Ed who is much nicer than I am and not at all judgmental or misanthropic. I would definitely go sailing with them. They are a cool couple who are active and enjoying life. Good on them! They could make a lot more if they spiced up their vids a bit and uploaded them to pornhub. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ajax 2,984 Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 I've heard that sailing against the trades is a real ass-whooping. These guys obviously made it, but was it luck or good planning? Is there a time of year when the tradewinds moderate, making this less of a pain mission or is it always bad? If sailing against the trades is always inadvisable, how does one get from Mexico or Central America to say, the BVI's or Turks and Caicos? Sorry for my ignorance, but my time in the Caribbean was on a submarine and we had no trouble going to windward. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
psychosailing 1 Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 I've heard that sailing against the trades is a real ass-whooping. These guys obviously made it, but was it luck or good planning? Is there a time of year when the tradewinds moderate, making this less of a pain mission or is it always bad? If sailing against the trades is always inadvisable, how does one get from Mexico or Central America to say, the BVI's or Turks and Caicos? Sorry for my ignorance, but my time in the Caribbean was on a submarine and we had no trouble going to windward. Risk of hurricane aside, they did it the right time, Summer is the best time as trade winds weakens and wind direction see a wider range of change. Once from Curacao to Dominican Republic we had to motor for 24hrs because it was super calm, and that was june. It's a lot harder in the winter when trade winds are at their best. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MauiPunter 1,395 Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Ah, now you're just [!] expressing professional admiration for their skill - I want you to say that you actually like them. Would you go for a sail with them? Do you not find them even a little bit annoying? I'll shut up now, and watch one in bed later, with the litmus test of Mrs. Ed who is much nicer than I am and not at all judgmental or misanthropic. I would definitely go sailing with them. They are a cool couple who are active and enjoying life. Good on them! They could make a lot more if they spiced up their vids a bit and uploaded them to pornhub. I have to agree. lol. She is smoking hot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dilligaf0220 200 Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Doesn't an El Nino year reverse the Trades in the Pacific for some narrow zones? How good are they now at predicting an El Nino year, so if say you make it to the Philippines there's the option of heading back out East? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Airwick 245 Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 I've heard that sailing against the trades is a real ass-whooping. These guys obviously made it, but was it luck or good planning? Is there a time of year when the tradewinds moderate, making this less of a pain mission or is it always bad? If sailing against the trades is always inadvisable, how does one get from Mexico or Central America to say, the BVI's or Turks and Caicos? Sorry for my ignorance, but my time in the Caribbean was on a submarine and we had no trouble going to windward. The best time is to wait for a cold front in the winter and ride the westerlies that come with it. Ideal if you want to get from Miami to the Turks and Caicos for example: cross the stream close hauled on starboard in flat-ish water as soon as it turns past southwest and end up on downhill most of the way (stay a bit north at the end for when it goes NE after the front passes). Otherwise you are just going to have to beat into 20-25 for a few days, which is not great fun... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scottyMO 0 Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Why not hire some hot babes in bikinis to refurb your boat and film that Ajax? *IF* they were hot and mechanically/electrically talented, I do believe it would generate some interest. At least they'd actually be doing something interesting while looking hot. I lost interest in the above video when they filmed themselves napping in a hammock. Unfortunately, I don't know where to find 2 or 3 hot babes who want to fix up my boat. Well...I know of one but she's all mine and I'm not sharing. Wait, you're not sharing ..for her to fix your own boat?! 😏 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
savoir 219 Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Doesn't an El Nino year reverse the Trades in the Pacific for some narrow zones? How good are they now at predicting an El Nino year, so if say you make it to the Philippines there's the option of heading back out East? El Nino doesn't reverse anything. What it does is change the temperature of the currents. If the temperature rises you get more rain or less rain if it falls. The trades everywhere disappear through summer regardless of El Nino. In the South Pacific that means the trades die off in October and after that the wind can come from anywhere. Summer winds in trade wind areas are usually light and variable interspersed with heavy storms. The trade winds return in April meaning the cruising season in the South Pacific is roughly 1 May to 1 November. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
southerncross 3,902 Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 The full version in case you missed something. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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