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Ed, great photo.  I remember this.  I think you posted it before and lovely boat to boot.

Question is, what do I tell my two wild children?  My eleven year old son who already has clutch of girls following him.  My fearless little eight year old girl who would rather be in the lineup with grownups (surfing in case you didn't know) than go to school.  My older boy is in college but already having second thoughts, thinking of alternative ways start a business.  How can I tell them the straight life is the way to go?  Ugh.

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27 minutes ago, Mr. Ed said:

It's never too late. One of my struggling sisters is looking at the end of her marriage, and says she doesn't want to divorce him because she's used to life without love now and doesn't want to love again. Crikey.

 

 

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48 minutes ago, southerncross said:

Ed, great photo.  I remember this.  I think you posted it before and lovely boat to boot.

Question is, what do I tell my two wild children?  My eleven year old son who already has clutch of girls following him.  My fearless little eight year old girl who would rather be in the lineup with grownups (surfing in case you didn't know) than go to school.  My older boy is in college but already having second thoughts, thinking of alternative ways start a business.  How can I tell them the straight life is the way to go?  Ugh.

That alternative path in your head is only what you imagine it would be. Maybe the straight life is the way to go. Would you have three kids had you taken the wild path?

What's clear is we all choose our own path, regardless of what our parents tell us. Tell them what you wish you'd known when you were their age.

 

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It doesn’t have to be a binary choice. We have a very good friend who qualified as a lawyer before dropping out and travelling, working in diving and with horses in beautiful places. She had a child along the way and went back to law when he was in secondary school to help him through uni. Until recently she lived with us in London working as a lawyer and every weekend would go home to Cornwall (300 miles odd) and be diving, kayaking or walking on Saturday morning. The best of both worlds. Because she earns well she can do big things like be a self funded researcher diving on the Antarctic peninsula to study sponges. She doesn’t have to compromise her principles because she’s working for the good guys (in consumer protection). She’s on a six month sabbatical now which she’s filling by buying and restoring an old stone house (well 2 of them actually) in northern Spain (about 10,000 Euro each since you ask).

The key fact in her wonderful story is of course education: having that she then has choices. 

Thats what I’d tell my kids ....

[Gosh it’s so much easier giving advice than leading one’s own life. ]

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Surfing vlogs have perfected using the "tight-arse" cutaway and only wacking in a bit of boy surfing at the end to shut the purists up. 

I suspect this has not crept into the sailing genre on account a lot of vlogamiesters prefer to carry a bit more ballast in their shorts, particularly the chicks on monos. Hense the Vagamites when they stop bar-hopping-n-shopping and notice their earnings are in freefall,  will be desperately looking to refresh their channel. 

So when they get to the warmer climes of the Canaries I think we will see this tight-arse production approach being adopted by the Vagamites, if only to realise on the mid-season investment/enhancement.

The other reason they will follow this path is it is easier and more socially acceptable to sail a cat when you have a boner compared to being on a mono with its spacial and social constraints.

 

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18 hours ago, southerncross said:

I know what you mean.  But I've been watching the other vids from the beginning and like the spirit of it.  Production value is pretty good.  She's got a smile and full of cheer no matter how miserable the conditions (except for the technicolor smile).  La Vagabonde became a geriatric show ever since the new boat and boobs.

I guess I have a soft spot for girls like this.  My father dropped out and hit the road as a folk singer when I was four.  I caught up with him later in life when I was in my mid 20's.  He was living on an old houseboat anchored in Dinner Key, Fl with a broken Vietnam Vet.  I had recently graduated college and was living and working in Zurich.  I fell in love with a girl who lived on another boat nearby.  She was similar to Ezz in the video, minus the nose ring and dreads, brunette, buxom and Danish.  I was career minded, uptight and anxious and she was impulsive, free and unfathomable.  

The time came for me to leave, return to work, to the snow and fourteen hour days.  She was headed to Java and tried to persuade me that I was making an enormous mistake.  She pleaded but the thought of it at the time was impossible and incomprehensible.  I quietly dismissed her as sadly lost, the thought of it something I would never do and that type of person, like my father, I would never become.

We stayed in touch for a while.  She sent me postcards from far off exotic places with the "wish you were here(s)". I became pale, bound in Italian Wool and the constraints of a structured life.  Deep down I think all the extravagance and sometimes privileged life, the famous friends and female companions  - the "wild times", was just a desperate struggle to prove to myself that I had made the right choice.  Of course I hadn't.  None of that life approached the raw bliss, brief as it was, of feeling completely free and in love with such blithe spirit.

Sweet!

 

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15 hours ago, southerncross said:

This is exactly what I tell my kids.  Some people don't have choices.

People in Yemen or Madagascar usually don't have choices.  In our world nearly everyone does. They just can't admit it because then they'd have to accept responsibility for where they are in life.

For the better part of my life I wanted to have some kind of sailing adventure. It required three boats and years of slow, steady effort to get my wife to agree to 'my' dream trip, but despite being married, two full time jobs and two kids we made it happen.  Sailed the good ship Kestrel from Rhode Island to the Caribbean and back over a 7 month period.  Easily the most rewarding thing I've ever done.  Well, aside from being a dad.   

Now the funny thing is my wife might be more ready that me to chuck it all and do it again for even longer.  Last night she was watching some videos I put together form the trip and said "I want to go back." I said we probably would at some point.  She says, "No. NOW."  Me: "OK, but we're gonna need a bigger boat." She: "I'll start looking at boat porn."  You could knock me over with a feather.

Make it happen SC.

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18 hours ago, Kris Cringle said:

The sailing video's posted in this thread are so lame. But the rest of the thread is great. 

Separate the wheat from chafe man, it's worth it.

Southerncross, your dilemma is ones of ages. Raise those children the best you can but make sure you explore the non trodden path as well. It can be done.

 

 

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8 hours ago, random said:

I like hippie chicks.  The are practical people with an honesty that shines.  The only sailling vid I have not stopped early.  I could be in love, a great match for Captain Goodvibes.

 

This is a very strange nexus point. A couple of years ago there was the Sea Witch thread in Sailing Anarchy which went completely off the rails.

It seems that these folks flew from Australia to buy that boat and discovered it was full of rot. So they flew to Vancouver and bought the current boat. The drone footage of them anchored off before leaving is shot in Cadboro Bay, just off the Royal Victoria Yacht Club. That spot is just over two miles from our house.

And yes, I'm in love.

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2 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

A couple of years ago there was the Sea Witch thread in Sailing Anarchy which went completely off the rails.

Ah yes, Ish.  Those were the days.  Sniff (wipes a tear from his eye).

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For years these pioneer vloggers lived in isolation, off the land and without losing their individual identity.  As a child I wondered how they got the film off the island every Thursday. 

As a teenager I seriously wanted Mary Ann to run away with me and thought Ginger would be all hat and no cattle in that department. The Professor I thought was gay, without really knowing what that meant. 

Life changing it was watching them.

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13 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

For years these pioneer vloggers lived in isolation, off the land and without losing their individual identity.  As a child I wondered how they got the film off the island every Thursday. As a teenager I seriously wanted Mary Ann to run away with me and thought Ginger would be all hat and no cattle in that department.

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How many times have I heard, "a three hour tour,...a three hour tour", as we've left the docks. 

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Speaking of living off the land this couple have just uploaded their latest vid. Some earlier vids already posted snd commented upon above. 

She has things really worked out in that department. For instance in an earlier vid she explains how they takes various grains onboard that don't go off. They then grind their own flour as required. Fish are obviously a big part of their diet. Both very handy with a nice style.

For those that don't know this part of the world it is uber isolated, no roads/settlement on the mainland, big big tides, charting hit and miss, wildlife that can kill you and very inhospitable country if your not prepared accordingly.

I get the impression he is a bit of a history buff and beforehand done some research into early colonial history to get an idea where to go as cruising guides are thin on the ground.

 

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3 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

For those that don't know this part of the world it is uber isolated, no roads/settlement on the mainland, big big tides, charting hit and miss, wildlife that can kill you and very inhospitable country if your not prepared accordingl

 

I spent a fair bit of time in the Kimberlies back in the 1980's doing fishery survey work. We poked into just about everywhere we could get into and got paid for it. One of the best times of my life. There were no tour boats, nothing back then. We'd leave Darwin and the next bit of 'civilisation' was arriving in Broome, which was before the real tourist boom. We'd go up to Cable Beach with a slab, drink & watch the sun set into the Indian Ocean, then fly back home to the east coast.

Shortly (provided nothing goes wrong) I'll launch my new 12m steel sailboat. The Kimberlies is on the list of places to go. It won't be as I remember it, but nothing ever is. It'll still be great.

FKT

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4 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Speaking of living off the land this couple have just uploaded their latest vid. Some earlier vids already posted snd commented upon above. 

She has things really worked out in that department. For instance in an earlier vid she explains how they takes various grains onboard that don't go off. They then grind their own flour as required. Fish are obviously a big part of their diet. Both very handy with a nice style.

For those that don't know this part of the world it is uber isolated, no roads/settlement on the mainland, big big tides, charting hit and miss, wildlife that can kill you and very inhospitable country if your not prepared accordingly.

I get the impression he is a bit of a history buff and beforehand done some research into early colonial history to get an idea where to go as cruising guides are thin on the ground.

 

the films where the producers spend some time thinking about what to put in them are always much better. the "floating soaps" with their relentlessly contemporary feeds on on-board relationships and bars soon start to wear a bit thin.

 

Great days for sailing narratives I think.

 

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6 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

For years these pioneer vloggers lived in isolation, off the land and without losing their individual identity.  As a child I wondered how they got the film off the island every Thursday. 

As a teenager I seriously wanted Mary Ann to run away with me and thought Ginger would be all hat and no cattle in that department. The Professor I thought was gay, without really knowing what that meant. 

Life changing it was watching them.

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was the drapes/ curtains issue ever solved re ginger ?

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1 hour ago, jack_sparrow said:

Wow you must have been really rich to even ponder that...we only had black and white TV.

We got magazines. We thought the drapes and the curtains were the same thing. None of us ever thought of matching the eyebrows and the nether regions.

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39 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

We got magazines. We thought the drapes and the curtains were the same thing. None of us ever thought of matching the eyebrows and the nether regions.

I think God was all over the curtains and carpet question. That is why he invented eyebrows, or venetian blinds so you could not hide carpet colour. He was very much ahead of his time in this regard and for how modern surgery and people's vanity would go hand in hand. 

Only he would have known that plastic facial surgery would result in the carpet heading north, and in extreme cases taking the place of the eyebrows, sorry venetians.

As to Ginger and our only having black and white TV, well even to my untrained teenage eye that motor down below looked to be running very hot, like scary hot.

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10 hours ago, dylan winter said:

the films where the producers spend some time thinking about what to put in them are always much better. the "floating soaps" with their relentlessly contemporary feeds on on-board relationships and bars soon start to wear a bit thin.

 

Great days for sailing narratives I think.

 

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Amen to that Dylan. Unfortunately to call the larger viewing public moronic is an understatement...anyway a name is required so I will call them the Voronicas. They are inexperieced and living vicariously so their dreams are crowded with coloured drinks at the bar, no tan lines and weird duty-free/cheap atrifacts to hang beside the widescreen TV. They have no interest in fixing or servicing things that all go south to a mysterious schedule or pondering what slab-reefing is all about.

Dylan by the way I have just noticed for this thread you most kindly started has been awarded "The Thread With the Most Amount of Drift But Still Going Strong" gong for 2017. Congratulations.

I for one don't mind a bit of drift. Unfortunately down the hallway behind the Ocean Racing door I get beaten up by some of the purists (who are easily discearnable by the Windex mounted on their watches) when I introduce a bit of drift from time to time. I stick with it on account of PM's I get from Skippers mid race asking for tips and even seance messages from long dead legends like Blakey and Co insisting I persevere. Anyway great thing is I can retreat here to recover to fight another day.

Now understanding that most of you lazy pricks here no doubt get a six pack and a packet of smokes delivered with your Pizza every night, I have attached the linky to the above mentioned couple where I talk about their on-board grain mill in a boat that many of the Voronicas think is smaller than their preferred tender size.

The bit about their getting the anchor chain caught under a rock shelf in croc infested no visability water and having to ditch it would cause most normal people to think ...I might stick with the hassle of carrying 3rd anchor gear. The Voronicas if they they ever stumbled across this vid would think what's an anchor and automatically cross croc country off their go to list headed "Places to Cruise Where Bitumen is Close By" ignoring the message. 

Anyway enjoy if you haven't watched already. BTW she is my facimilie Mary Ann on account the real one must be now north of 80.

 

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5 hours ago, Ishmael said:

 None of us ever thought of matching the eyebrows and the nether regions.

 

5 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

I think God was all over the curtains and carpet question. That is why he invented eyebrows, or venetian blinds so you could not hide carpet colour.

The two don't necessarily correlate.

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21 minutes ago, Presuming Ed said:

 

The two don't necessarily correlate.

Yes exactly.. you are clearly a man of great knowledge....which is why women with stick on reflective/light colored eyebrows are clearly hiding a large dark secret, that may even extend to their backs. 

I got that tip from Chapter 3 titled "Hire a Combine Harvester" in the book "The 101 for Dating Lebanese Girls" You clearly have had a similar experience Ed.

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22 hours ago, southerncross said:

Om.

When was the last time you saw a glass (not plastic) Coke bottle? Yep they still make them in most countries but only in a low production large size. We and our oceans are drowning in fuckin plastic. 

Southern BTW ..that dude in Mad Men?? ..not even close to holding  a candle beside the great Hank Moody. They are both real characters aren't they??

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4 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

When was the last time you saw a glass (not plastic) Coke bottle? Yep they still make them in most countries but only in a low production large size. We and our oceans are drowning in fuckin plastic. 

Southern BTW ..that dude in Mad Men?? ..not even close to holding  a candle beside the great Hank Moody. They are both real characters aren't they??

I see small glass coke bottles once in a while.

Californication was a good show with some good lines and pretty honest portrayal of the LA/Hollywood/Venice/Agent/Actor/Pussy/Writer life.  Honest portrayal except for the lead. 

Having lived in So CA too long I'd say the chances of one of these wannabe's actually hauling off and sucker punching someone would be slim to none.  "Not the face" or too worried about being sued.  Pretentious, pale, pudgy wannabe's with their cold pressed beat celery wheat grass green snot juice sipping through a straw while checking their Face Fuck likes on their iPhone or whatever the fuck it is. 

They'll get into something to try to offset their metro girliness only because they like the image of it, something to add to the LinkedIn page.  But not before they hire a personal coach so that they don't look like the complete fools that they are. Triathlon's for example.  You can spot one every time, all decked out in the latest wetsuit and gear even though the water is still warm.  They come down to the water with their triclub buddies once in a while cause they've heard we're fast.  They take one look at our crew, older guys and girls some with worn out gear, short, tall, some heavy set and don't say a word.  Turn their backs and talk amongst themselves.  I love the look of shock on their faces when they pull up to the turning point, a mile or two in, dead last.  Since you can't bitch slap 'em this is somewhat satisfying. 

Anyway, when it comes to getting laid on a regular basis the Hank Moody's wouldn't come close to the Don Draper's.  The silly fucks.  Don't get me started.

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Just now, jack_sparrow said:

Thats what I thought..Hank and Don are real. I was worried there for a minute.

You know what I mean.  Don was based on a real Ad guy.  Hank is what all these guys wish they were like.

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1 minute ago, southerncross said:

Don was based on a real Ad guy. 

Based...silly me ..lucky you told me. I would have tried to look him up when there next.

Seperated by a common language thing happening I suspect. Like when you said:

10 minutes ago, southerncross said:

Triathlon's for example.  You can spot one every time, all decked out in the latest wetsuit

..my immediate thought was you were saying you could tell the people in LA who were about to have a threesome on account they wore spanking new wetsuits.

Pays not to jump to conclusions.

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  La Vagimite income streams have collapsed this year.  It turns out there's a difference between talking about visiting places and actually VISITIING places.  The latest from La Vag is lots of TALKING about visiting places, but I'll wager real money that their cat never strides outside of insurance covered latitudes.

 

 

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I'm gonna put in another plug for Leo. This guy has taken on a huge project and seems to know what he's doing, except for having taken on the project itself. I can relate. If you're a fan of Lou Sauzedde's "Tips from a Shipwright", you need to check this one out too.

http://sampsonboat.co.uk/

Full disclosure: I've donated $40 to this guy.

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Just now, IStream said:

I'm gonna put in another plug for Leo. This guy has taken on a huge project and seems to know what he's doing, except for having taken on the project itself. I can relate. If you're a fan of Lou Sauzedde's "Tips from a Shipwright", you need to check this one out too.

http://sampsonboat.co.uk/

Full disclosure: I've donated $40 to this guy.

I second the plug and $.

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On 10/28/2017 at 5:23 AM, random said:

Oooo LB is canky. 

Good beard, bald chest.  I wonder if he shaves his legs too?

Edit: nice delete

WTF are you on about? 5.23 am is a bit early to be swinging off your bong mate.

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22 minutes ago, southerncross said:

Another build project.

 

I admire their optimism WRT the time to completion but I don't like their chances of achieving it. If they do manage to build/launch in less than 2 years, that will be really impressive.

More power to them though, building your own boat is very satisfying as long as you don't actually expect to meet the initial time/money budget.

FKT

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2 minutes ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

I admire their optimism WRT the time to completion but I don't like their chances of achieving it.

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As I write Rediviva sits in the Napa Valley Boatyard, safe. Finally the craziness of the move slowed down enough for me to get this episode done and out to you all! I'm thinking there might be one more episode between now and when I put out the trucking episode. Episode 25 will contain our final moments and projects at the property like the rudder and our main companion way hatch. Episode 26, unless I can fit it all into 25, will show Rediviva picked up by the truck and traveling highway speed about 700 miles south to Napa. To escape the winter weather, so progress won't stop, and to reignite our energy by surrounding ourselves with fellow boat people! Also to note the paint on the hull is just the first layer of primer. So you'll see some of the green preservative seeping through making it look minty green. The bottom is coated with 2 layers of Creocoat which is a gnarly preservative soon she'll get 2 layers of primer added and then antifouling bottom paint to finish. We kept it simple for the truck ride so we wouldn't have to redo any of it if it were to get scuffed. Thanks so much for watching and I look forward to your comments :)
 
Looks like around 2 years.  Not bad.
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As I write Rediviva sits in the Napa Valley Boatyard, safe. Finally the craziness of the move slowed down enough for me to get this episode done and out to you all! I'm thinking there might be one more episode between now and when I put out the trucking episode. Episode 25 will contain our final moments and projects at the property like the rudder and our main companion way hatch. Episode 26, unless I can fit it all into 25, will show Rediviva picked up by the truck and traveling highway speed about 700 miles south to Napa. To escape the winter weather, so progress won't stop, and to reignite our energy by surrounding ourselves with fellow boat people! Also to note the paint on the hull is just the first layer of primer. So you'll see some of the green preservative seeping through making it look minty green. The bottom is coated with 2 layers of Creocoat which is a gnarly preservative soon she'll get 2 layers of primer added and then antifouling bottom paint to finish. We kept it simple for the truck ride so we wouldn't have to redo any of it if it were to get scuffed. Thanks so much for watching and I look forward to your comments :)
 
Looks like around 2 years.  Not bad.

IMO the hull build is the easy bit. It goes pretty fast.

The fitout and all the systems is slow. Though that depends on how complex you make stuff. There are a number of things I did that I wouldn't do again but - shrug. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

I'll watch all their build videos. It's always interesting seeing how someone else tackled various things.

FKT

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15 hours ago, southerncross said:

Nice to see how circumspect he is about doing the Patreon thing. Obviously a stills camera guru but if going to video SH may need one of these motorised auto stabilising thingos and those noise cancelling microphones that look like a dead rabbit. That said I know fuck all about camera gear so Dylan the best one to comment upon that.

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Nice to see how circumspect he is about doing the Patreon thing. Obviously a stills camera guru but if going to video SH may need one of these motorised auto stabilising thingos and those noise cancelling microphones that look like a dead rabbit. That said I know fuck all about camera gear so Dylan the best one to comment upon that.

 

 

 

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Rule 1 is sort the sound. Wind is your friend as a sailor but your enemy as a sound recordist.

I used to work with a chain smoking video editor who used to say.... no sound ... no story

you can always cut around shit pictures but if the sound is fekked then there is nothing more to be done.

as for the patreon pitch...

tough call

https://www.patreon.com/vernondeck

$18 per film will butter no parsnips

 

Dylan

 

 

 

 

 

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14 hours ago, southerncross said:

Another build project.

 

IMO that Rediviva is definitely a candidate for the Uglyboat Admiration Society.

The guy is a hard worker but the design is a waste of his effort - that is what you get when you build a 'Home Depot Special' from dimensional lumber. I'm all for new and innovative designs and techniques, like the kinds of things Bolger would come up with, but this? His GF is a pleasant diversion though.

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8 minutes ago, Jim in Halifax said:

IMO that Rediviva is definitely a candidate for the Uglyboat Admiration Society.

The guy is a hard worker but the design is a waste of his effort - that is what you get when you build a 'Home Depot Special' from dimensional lumber. I'm all for new and innovative designs and techniques, like the kinds of things Bolger would come up with, but this? His GF is a pleasant diversion though.

I have no idea what the life expectancy of a pine boat is...

I assume it will rot pretty quickly.

as for the shape - the bow is pretty brutal

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Just now, dylan winter said:

I have no idea what the life expectancy of a pine boat is...

I thought the planking was cedar. 

Was wondering about the screws.  I didn't catch what they were but they looked like galvanized?

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1 minute ago, dylan winter said:

I have no idea what the life expectancy of a pine boat is...

I assume it will rot pretty quickly.

as for the shape - the bow is pretty brutal

 

A lot of the construction details - the cross-planked bottom with exposed end grain at the chine, the bulwark stanchions bolted through the plywood deck and bedded in tar, for example - don't bode well for longevity. And yes, that bow is certainly brutal. Nothing pretty about the lines.

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5 minutes ago, Jim in Halifax said:

A lot of the construction details - the cross-planked bottom with exposed end grain at the chine, the bulwark stanchions bolted through the plywood deck and bedded in tar, for example - don't bode well for longevity. And yes, that bow is certainly brutal. Nothing pretty about the lines.

Eeesh.  I hadn't gotten to the end yet.  Of all the plans one might have picked.

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6 minutes ago, Jim in Halifax said:

A lot of the construction details - the cross-planked bottom with exposed end grain at the chine, the bulwark stanchions bolted through the plywood deck and bedded in tar, for example - don't bode well for longevity. And yes, that bow is certainly brutal. Nothing pretty about the lines.

yet despite all that

bloddygoodonem for having an adventure while they are young enough to enjoy it. I assume if they slop enough toxic unguents around the boat then it will last them a decade or two... maybe more.

Dylan

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1 hour ago, dylan winter said:

yet despite all that

bloddygoodonem for having an adventure while they are young enough to enjoy it. I assume if they slop enough toxic unguents around the boat then it will last them a decade or two... maybe more.

Dylan

Indeed. They seem like good eggs. And hard working.

Really too bad they didn't drop by here for some kind and gentle guidance.

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57 minutes ago, monsoon said:

Indeed. They seem like good eggs. And hard working.

Really too bad they didn't drop by here for some kind and gentle guidance.

I think that they would have been subject to a barrrage  of the sort of advice best summarised by Harry Enfield's "you don't wanna do that" character

 

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6 hours ago, Jim in Halifax said:

A lot of the construction details - the cross-planked bottom with exposed end grain at the chine, the bulwark stanchions bolted through the plywood deck and bedded in tar, for example - don't bode well for longevity. And yes, that bow is certainly brutal. Nothing pretty about the lines.

That has to be one of the ugliest of George Buehler's designs I've ever seen built. I binge-watched most of their videos and have the utmost admiration for their work & enthusiasm, but really - why *that* boat? George drew prettier boats. I've got some of his study plans from back when I was deciding what I'd build.

The construction details are typically George, FWIW. I personally don't have a problem with it - might not be 'classic' boat building but it is typical of workboat construction. Longevity - who knows? Wooden boats are lovely to look at but I'd neither build one nor own one myself.

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4 hours ago, monsoon said:

Indeed. They seem like good eggs. And hard working.

Really too bad they didn't drop by here for some kind and gentle guidance.

Disagree. All they would have gotten is a shit-fight about how they were insane and should just buy an old f/g boat then refit it. Or how they had to use 'yacht' stuff & techniques that would have quintupled the cost and tripled the build time while also required far more woodworking skill.

2 friends of mine built a 12m carvel planked wineglass cross section timber double-ender. It's a gorgeous boat and took far, far longer to build the hull *including* with a paid extra pair of hands for the framing & planking. But it's more 'yachty'.......

How many people here have actually built their own boat of this size/displacement with their own hands? Writing cheques to boat yards doesn't count. I think the number is pretty small.

Good on them for going for it. They've gained really valuable skills that'll stand them in good stead. They're young enough that they can always build another boat in the future if they want (need) to.

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2 hours ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Disagree. All they would have gotten is a shit-fight about how they were insane and should just buy an old f/g boat then refit it. Or how they had to use 'yacht' stuff & techniques that would have quintupled the cost and tripled the build time while also required far more woodworking skill.

2 friends of mine built a 12m carvel planked wineglass cross section timber double-ender. It's a gorgeous boat and took far, far longer to build the hull *including* with a paid extra pair of hands for the framing & planking. But it's more 'yachty'.......

How many people here have actually built their own boat of this size/displacement with their own hands? Writing cheques to boat yards doesn't count. I think the number is pretty small.

Good on them for going for it. They've gained really valuable skills that'll stand them in good stead. They're young enough that they can always build another boat in the future if they want (need) to.

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19 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

Built small boats. Haven't built at scale. Because I've looked at people smarter, better prepared, and more skilled, who've blown throw budgets and time. I think many of the people who say they have, lie.

I personally know 3 people who've built 34' plus sailboats from scratch.

All of them have gone over the time budget and in 2 out of the 3, the original money budget.

Those are the success stories because the boats actually got finished by the original owner/builders. I'm hoping this pair bring it off too. They're already over their time budget.

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On 10/29/2017 at 8:37 AM, southerncross said:

Fuck yeah, winner in my book.  If you can't afford to go sailing, don't pull the Patreon equivalent of standing at the freeway off ramp with a cardboard sign saying "will work for food".

I paid for my boat, and so should you.

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26 minutes ago, thereefgeek said:

Fuck yeah, winner in my book.  If you can't afford to go sailing, don't pull the Patreon equivalent of standing at the freeway off ramp with a cardboard sign saying "will work for food".

I agree.  But then why then open a Patreon account?  Didn't get that part.

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16 minutes ago, southerncross said:

I agree.  But then why then open a Patreon account?  Didn't get that part.

His point of difference is not begging to support his lifestyle or to run his boat like the vast majority out there. The Patreon thing goes towards his video channel and promoting viewership and appreciation.

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This just hit my InHole ..if you remember this grifter couple who went chasing Irma, got body slammed with the sunken boat on St Marts and launching a GoFundMe then 2 blokes stay on PR and take on Maria blah blah. I haven't watched as already thrown up once today.

 

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14 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

This just hit my InHole ..if you remember this grifter couple who went chasing Irma, got body slammed with the sunken boat on St Marts and launching a GoFundMe then 2 blokes stay on PR and take on Maria blah blah. I haven't watched as already thrown up once today.

 

This Kid makes me think he is an understudy for Matthew McConaghy!

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I just wrapped up hosting the writer of "Dinghy Dreams" whom I posted about earlier. www.dinghydreams.com

She is passing through the Chesapeake on her way to Florida from Lake Champlain. A seriously fun couple of days.  I helped her out with material things like dockage, provisions, laundry, repairs and parts. In return, she told me stories and played her ukulele down at my dock in the evening.

She writes her own songs and I find the lyrics to be genuine and clever, and her voice is folksy and just the thing for a fun time at anchor with friends and drinks. I urged her to start recording them and putting them on her blog.  She didn't really ask me for anything and every time I gave her stuff she kept asking "Are you sure this is ok?"

She has some things to learn about sailing, but overall I find her to exercise good judgement and sail conservatively. I think she's going to do well.

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Yes, I first met her in Desolation Sound in BC, Canada, she struck me as a special spirit then, we had dinner with her and her then sailing mate and ran into each other cruising.  She has remained true to her calling and is following her dream.  I applaud her for striking out on her own.  I send her wishes for fair seas and a following breeze.  Good on ya Ajax for helping her on her way.

 

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