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I'm not criticizing anyone, I'd just like to point something out-

Money (even unused money or social safety nets sitting in the background) allows choice. It's easy to be hardworking when you're doing something that you choose to do, and love to do. If you end up hating what you do, or aren't successful at it, you have that safety net waiting for you so that you can choose to try something else.

Not everyone has that luxury.  Like I said, it's not a criticism of the person under scrutiny. I haven't even watched any of his videos.

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First of all I had a few klicks from my favorite sailing forum so I started to search for the tread. Found it! I'm the guy who bought that massive steel thing...  Regarding the mustache, I always

She is the daughter of a sailor Both yachts and RN She came to me fully trained she can hold a course,  cook good food on one ring, loves rowing, can double declutch a land rover and ha

I have watched these last few posts with interest I agree that I should put more effort in...... I also a agree that film making has changed. In one vid I made there was a 45 second shot....

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It is funny to read about poor vs. rich, and class warfare on a forum dominated by Anglos while commenting the activity of messing around on boats, which, if I am not mistaken or if I suffer from debilitating sensorial impairment, it is already the realm of the privileged white folks from the few developed countries of the world. People from North America Europe, maybe Russia, Australia and NZ, and from very few other countries (like the new Chinese cruisers on their new catamarans) who have nothing better to do than spend their abundant free time on a totally uneconomical and obsolete technology like sailboats. 

 

How could you seriously raise your eyebrow while not raising from your armchair and judge somebody else's life, net worth, safety net and such while you engage or pretend to, on the same obnoxious, posh and useless activity such as racing or cruising sailboats for fun, or sometimes for work, to fulfill someone else's need for leisure.

 

Millionaires who dock their yachts in Sag Harbor among billionaires' yachts will suffer a lot while a middle class retired old fart will feel like a king while cruising SE Asia. In the same way people who watch youtube videos thinks that if somebody is doing something way cooler than what they are doing (or anything more productive than watching YouTube in the first place) then there must be a trust fund behind and the help of other people. Damned all those who decide to help others because everybody has to be a self made man or woman. But guess what... all the self procleimed self made man people are just telling you a lot of bullshit.

 

So fuck this guy who is repairing a useless future piece of decomposing crap and fuck you who criticize him. And fuck me too, to complete the circle of bullshit that this class thread drift has uncovered.

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1 hour ago, Cuntyhunk said:

It is funny to read about poor vs. rich, and class warfare on a forum dominated by Anglos while commenting the activity of messing around on boats, which, if I am not mistaken or if I suffer from debilitating sensorial impairment, it is already the realm of the privileged white folks from the few developed countries of the world. People from North America Europe, maybe Russia, Australia and NZ, and from very few other countries (like the new Chinese cruisers on their new catamarans) who have nothing better to do than spend their abundant free time on a totally uneconomical and obsolete technology like sailboats. 

 

How could you seriously raise your eyebrow while not raising from your armchair and judge somebody else's life, net worth, safety net and such while you engage or pretend to, on the same obnoxious, posh and useless activity such as racing or cruising sailboats for fun, or sometimes for work, to fulfill someone else's need for leisure.

 

Millionaires who dock their yachts in Sag Harbor among billionaires' yachts will suffer a lot while a middle class retired old fart will feel like a king while cruising SE Asia. In the same way people who watch youtube videos thinks that if somebody is doing something way cooler than what they are doing (or anything more productive than watching YouTube in the first place) then there must be a trust fund behind and the help of other people. Damned all those who decide to help others because everybody has to be a self made man or woman. But guess what... all the self procleimed self made man people are just telling you a lot of bullshit.

 

So fuck this guy who is repairing a useless future piece of decomposing crap and fuck you who criticize him. And fuck me too, to complete the circle of bullshit that this class thread drift has uncovered.

no need to beat up on yourself and others

we all judge other people - that is human nature. See a man in a $1000 suit and you can make certain suppositions about him. See a man sitting against a wall with a cup and a begging sign and you can also make suppositions - not always right.... but they often are. Walk down a dark street and see two lads wearing dark hoodies coming towards you - make some suppositions and cross the street to the other side.

As for film making.

I think that if some-one comes to your screen and asks you for money then you are entitled to judge that persons worth for receiving your charity. Not all charitable causes are equally worthy.

If leo comes to you and says chip in towards the cost of my boat restoration then you are entitled to ask if he deserves or needs  your help.

With my films I ask people to pay for  the entertainment value of the films. The fact that I live in a lovely house 100 yards from an English estuary should not  enter into whether or not you show your appreciation for the journey you have just shared with me. Pay me for my narrative skills and the work I put into the films  not for half a pint of  of ant-foul to slap on the hull of a 40 year old shit box. That is like paying a musician only if he needs a new string.

When we decide to pay for a cinema ticket for  Fast and Furious V1 we do not consider if van diesel is poor enough  for us to pay or if he needs help for replacing all the  cars he has smashed up..  We pay for the intellectual stimulation and ecstacy we experience when watching Van (or his stunt man) skid his car around a corner. You pay for the thrills... not help Van buy some new tyres for his car.

So,  our friend leo is a toff for sure...accents like his do not come  from a secondary modern school in Holloway.  it is a good  bet that he may never have to get a mortgage on a two  bedroom flat in Peckham. While most people his age are working their arses off in the 9 to five he has decided to spend his time working on his boat, good work to boot, and making nicely shot and structured films about his pet self indulgent project.. Goodonhim. But that should  be irrelevant to the paying watcher of his films. Pay him for his display of film making and boat building skills. It is a tangible round of applause for  some-one who has entertained you for half an hour.

Dylan

 

 

 

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On 5/11/2018 at 9:04 AM, jack_sparrow said:

Who needs tits and a boat with a deck.

Checked out is other voyages, great stuff, Nordkapp was a good one.

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8 hours ago, dylan winter said:

no need to beat up on yourself and others

we all judge other people - that is human nature. See a man in a $1000 suit and you can make certain suppositions about him. See a man sitting against a wall with a cup and a begging sign and you can also make suppositions - not always right.... but they often are. Walk down a dark street and see two lads wearing dark hoodies coming towards you - make some suppositions and cross the street to the other side.

As for film making.

I think that if some-one comes to your screen and asks you for money then you are entitled to judge that persons worth for receiving your charity. Not all charitable causes are equally worthy.

If leo comes to you and says chip in towards the cost of my boat restoration then you are entitled to ask if he deserves or needs  your help.

With my films I ask people to pay for  the entertainment value of the films. The fact that I live in a lovely house 100 yards from an English estuary should not  enter into whether or not you show your appreciation for the journey you have just shared with me. Pay me for my narrative skills and the work I put into the films  not for half a pint of  of ant-foul to slap on the hull of a 40 year old shit box. That is like paying a musician only if he needs a new string.

When we decide to pay for a cinema ticket for  Fast and Furious V1 we do not consider if van diesel is poor enough  for us to pay or if he needs help for replacing all the  cars he has smashed up..  We pay for the intellectual stimulation and ecstacy we experience when watching Van (or his stunt man) skid his car around a corner. You pay for the thrills... not help Van buy some new tyres for his car.

So,  our friend leo is a toff for sure...accents like his do not come  from a secondary modern school in Holloway.  it is a good  bet that he may never have to get a mortgage on a two  bedroom flat in Peckham. While most people his age are working their arses off in the 9 to five he has decided to spend his time working on his boat, good work to boot, and making nicely shot and structured films about his pet self indulgent project.. Goodonhim. But that should  be irrelevant to the paying watcher of his films. Pay him for his display of film making and boat building skills. It is a tangible round of applause for  some-one who has entertained you for half an hour.

Dylan

 

 

 

Vin Diesel.

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I like Leo a lot and he has that enviable access to energy critters my age lack.

However Tally Ho is fucked from stem to stern.

Realistically he has a completely rotten full scale model of what Tally Ho should be.

Leo is going to craft a whole new vessel which will require bucket loads of everything far far more than a free workshop and utility.

I may well be wrong and it would not be the first time by a long shot but something is just quite not right.

Maybe Poppa Bear is underwriting the whole endeavour and if so well done.

I get to lie in my snuggly bunk and watch something which is not a soap overloaded with misogyny tits ass and seaborne stupidity.

Tally Ho old chap.

 

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1 hour ago, Priscilla said:

However Tally Ho is fucked from stem to stern.

Realistically he has a completely rotten full scale model of what Tally Ho should be.

Leo is going to craft a whole new vessel which will require bucket loads of everything far far more than a free workshop and utility.

Thank goodness for these lunatics and those like him that ignore the bleeding obvious that restoration cannot be justified against any measure.

Without them we would never see these living museum pieces in real life or via video on how they accomplished it and along the way we learnt new timber terms like "live oak" and of some timber guru in the deep south.

A world of only knowing laminated plastic has hardly the same zing to it. I can't wait for when he starts making the hemp sails to see if he is tempted to smoking the offcuts.

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2 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Thank goodness for these lunatics and those like him that ignore the bleeding obvious that restoration cannot be justified against any measure.

Without them we would never see these living museum pieces in real life or via video how they accomplished it and along the way learnt new timber terms like "live oak".

A world of only knowing laminated plastic has hardly the same zing to it. I can't wait for when he starts making the hemp sails to see if he is tempted to smoking the offcuts.

True , the Waitemata harbour is weekly filled with one of the worlds greatest fleet of restored not replicated classics.

These old sailing logs of wood properly maintained will be around a century from now.

However Tally Ho will in my opinion if the journey produces a result just contain a few mementos of the original craft.

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On 5/9/2018 at 5:24 PM, HFC Hunter said:

Brittany was royalist. Vendee even more so. The two teamed up as a resistance to try and maintain church and crown - which had provided space for them to have a high degree of autonomy. The revolution probably felt more like a civil war there - and  the new French Republic used the guillotiné on the resistant people, rather than the people using it on the aristocracy.

Pygmalian nailed English class divides with: It is impossible for an Englishman to open his mouth without making some other Englishman hate or despise him

The suppression of the Vendee  was nasty. By that point, the ideals of the Revolution had pretty much descended into localized shitshows, with lots of public & private scores being settled & rule of law giving way to the local butcher with the loudest voice. We focus on Paris & Versailles, but the street fights & reprisals & tribunes of the countryside were in many ways more intense than in the capitol(s). (Much like the English Civil War was maneuvering power blocs in London -- but red murder out in the shires or in Ireland.)

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10 hours ago, Priscilla said:
10 hours ago, dylan winter said:

sorry... I have never wached any of his films

 

Don’t bother.

Pitch Black wasn't half-bad as low budget sci-fi thrillers go. Though it must be said that the worst part of it was Vin Diesel's part.

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8 hours ago, freewheelin said:

wtf

it is the future

got an email from ceil man

he is aiming to be the first million subscription sailing vlogger

bloody astonishing

watch out sailing Twitch thots - Ceil is after your click bait crowns

 

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8 hours ago, freewheelin said:

wtf

We have all read occasional reports of gas explosions on pleasure craft, when some poor buggers boat is blown to smithereens in a complete shotgun cluster fuck. In unison the wider sailing community will sympathise......there are however exceptions. 

LRSF_0669-CrashTestExplosion11-LMc.jpg

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1 hour ago, dylan winter said:

it is the future

got an email from ceil man

he is aiming to be the first million subscription sailing vlogger

bloody astonishing

watch out sailing Twitch thots - Ceil is after your click bait crowns

 

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Based on that sample I won't be one of them. No objections to naked young women, but *that* one? Blotchy deformed skin (can't stand tattoos) and a mouth that runs at triple speed. Plus if you're going to pixelate out the interesting bits, why bother?

Nope, one click was enough. Won't be back.....

FKT

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2 hours ago, Sailing ceil 3 said:

Dylan thanks for the advice about cutting out wind noise, will look into microphones with wind noise reduction filters.

You should also look into lens filters. Try and find a very very very very very very dark tint or just leave the lens cap on when you shoot them. Cheers.

 

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5 hours ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Based on that sample I won't be one of them. No objections to naked young women, but *that* one? Blotchy deformed skin (can't stand tattoos) and a mouth that runs at triple speed. Plus if you're going to pixelate out the interesting bits, why bother?

Nope, one click was enough. Won't be back.....

FKT

lots of otthers will though

 

the sailing film genre needs its own Russ Meyer - who was also a genius

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russ_Meyer

 

 

 

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For the Nth time, we (sailors) are not the target demographic. The target demographic is landbound cubicle dwellers who are leading lives of quiet desperation, seeking escapism and distraction.  Back in the 80's, that demographic watched escapist TV shows like Knight Rider, and the A-Team.  Now they watch "reality" vlogs on YouTube.

This guy will get his clicks regardless of what we think.

I watch Dylan for the scenery and the history, not as much for the sailing and certainly not for artificial drama and I watch him in the winter, when the boat is laid up. In the northern hemisphere, sailing season is upon us and we'll all be out sailing and not wasting our time on BoobTube. Ceil will be racking up clicks from some guy in Oklahoma fapping away to his videos on a dry, dusty day while he's waiting for Sunday football to come on. Good for him.

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29 minutes ago, Ajax said:

For the Nth time, we (sailors) are not the target demographic. The target demographic is landbound cubicle dwellers who are leading lives of quiet desperation, seeking escapism and distraction.  Back in the 80's, that demographic watched escapist TV shows like Knight Rider, and the A-Team.  Now they watch "reality" vlogs on YouTube.

This guy will get his clicks regardless of what we think.

I watch Dylan for the scenery and the history, not as much for the sailing and certainly not for artificial drama and I watch him in the winter, when the boat is laid up. In the northern hemisphere, sailing season is upon us and we'll all be out sailing and not wasting our time on BoobTube. Ceil will be racking up clicks from some guy in Oklahoma fapping away to his videos on a dry, dusty day while he's waiting for Sunday football to come on. Good for him.

I agree, Ajax. I'm no more inclined to click the 'fishing' vid, than to pick up the tabloid in the supermarket aisle. I can live without knowing what George Clooney does alone in a closet. 

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2 hours ago, Ajax said:

For the Nth time, we (sailors) are not the target demographic. The target demographic is landbound cubicle dwellers who are leading lives of quiet desperation, seeking escapism and distraction.  Back in the 80's, that demographic watched escapist TV shows like Knight Rider, and the A-Team.  Now they watch "reality" vlogs on YouTube.

This guy will get his clicks regardless of what we think.

I watch Dylan for the scenery and the history, not as much for the sailing and certainly not for artificial drama and I watch him in the winter, when the boat is laid up. In the northern hemisphere, sailing season is upon us and we'll all be out sailing and not wasting our time on BoobTube. Ceil will be racking up clicks from some guy in Oklahoma fapping away to his videos on a dry, dusty day while he's waiting for Sunday football to come on. Good for him.

Agree we are not the target demographic. However his dreams for youtube domination and patreon gravy train money have obviously hit the buffers so he has pitched up here in desperation to peddle his crap.

I don't know if there is a target audience. It's of no interest to sailors and I'm reliably informed by Mrs Joylove that there are dedicated websites that contain real pornography for those so inclined. 

I've only skimmed over one Ceil 3 video and initially thought it was a parody.   The content would appear to fall very short between the two stools of sailing and porn. In essence the videos aren't worth a wank either way.... 

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27 minutes ago, Bobby Joylove said:

Agree we are not the target demographic. However his dreams for youtube domination and patreon gravy train money have obviously hit the buffers so he has pitched up here in desperation to peddle his crap.

I don't know if there is a target audience. It's of no interest to sailors and I'm reliably informed by Mrs Joylove that there are dedicated websites that contain real pornography for those so inclined. 

I've only skimmed over one Ceil 3 video and initially thought it was a parody.   The content would appear to fall very short between the two stools of sailing and porn. In essence the videos aren't worth a wank either way.... 

I posted the first link...he commented on my comment.... nothing wrong with that.

I think it was good of him to turn up and look us in the eye. La Vag sent their acolytes to bomb this forum.

 

As an elderly film maker I am pleased to see all this water based creativity.

I think that if sailing films are to become a well rounded genre then there should be room for all sorts - from the adventure bungee jump style of Delos, to the relentless fish murdering of Free Range sailing, to the soap opera on a cat of La Vag, to the Russ Meyer no holds barred titilation of Ceil 3 and even to the outmoded (now stopped)  old school plodding travelogue of KTL.

I think Bill ads to the mix nicely.  He is doing no harm, the films are free, if he can build a following and a market for unpixillated  eastern europeans grinding enthusiastically at winches that are not attached to sheets - well goodonim.

There are now so many of these vlogs that we have to be discriminating.  There are some you might choose to follow every episode, to those where you might dip in and to those where you go...What! Aso lots to completely ignore as well.

However, if you wish to have any influence over what is made and offered to your screen, if you wish to encourage and nurture  the sort of film making you enjoy,  then there is an easy way of doing that.

Dylan

 

 

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9 hours ago, Sailing ceil 3 said:

Dylan thanks for the advice about cutting out wind noise, will look into microphones with wind noise reduction filters.

oh, hello. we have been, um, enjoying your videos? seems in this case you have already checked the box for the standard sailing anarchy greeting...

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On 5/13/2018 at 4:12 PM, jack_sparrow said:

Looks as though someone has hung up his gun.

 

She's a keeper.  Super cute and she tolerates being part of a shipwreck and sticks around afterwards. 

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On 5/17/2018 at 6:01 AM, Sailing ceil 3 said:

Ok guys, here's another one,

For all the lovers and haters

Please Subscribe to the channel if you want to see more ;-)

 

If you are going to blur out the best parts, there really is no point.  lol.

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54 minutes ago, dylan winter said:

 

However, if you wish to have any influence over what is made and offered to your screen, if you wish to encourage and nurture  the sort of film making you enjoy,  then there is an easy way of doing that.

Dylan

 

 

This is true and I have been a patreon of one of the lesser channels and significantly chipped into one of the larger ones. But youtube now assumes I want a deluge of bikini sailing channel thumbnails on my tv screen. I don't. It boils my pish to the point of no longer watching or supporting any sailing channels. That's a shame because there is some good content out there (ktl included) but too much dross to sift through and I haven't got the time or the inclination. 

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Now that quite a lot of sailing vloggers spend quite a lot their 16 minutes a week just yakking at the camera about sailing etc I thoought that it might be time to try 6 hours of yakking at a camera

it is an excellent book which was written by a now dead sailing journalist whose sailing ground was the East Coast of England... so if you like shallow sailing, estuaries, beautiful writing well read

Dylan

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13 hours ago, dylan winter said:

Now that quite a lot of sailing vloggers spend quite a lot their 16 minutes a week just yakking at the camera about sailing etc I thoought that it might be time to try 6 hours of yakking at a camera

it is an excellent book which was written by a now dead sailing journalist whose sailing ground was the East Coast of England... so if you like shallow sailing, estuaries, beautiful writing well read

Dylan

Why don’t you upload them in sequence, uploading in a hodgepodge manner means they auto play in a hodge lodge manner. Disorientating.  

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1 hour ago, N1772 said:

Why don’t you upload them in sequence, uploading in a hodgepodge manner means they auto play in a hodge lodge manner. Disorientating.  

the stories are not really linked - so I decided to post the shortest ones first to see if I could get people into the habit of listening

the films are in the right order in a playlist here

https://www.youtube.com/user/KeepTurningLeft

the old blokes tell me they are ideal for listening to during the fternoon nap

 

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Dylan:

As usual that video is marvelous. Hope you don't mind but I posted it on my FB fan club page. I'm getting close to 2,000 members now so I think it may see some traffic.

Many thanks for once again taking me along.

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On 5/22/2018 at 3:21 PM, Sailing ceil 3 said:

This one has to be the best yet.

I suggest you watch the entire video so you dont miss any of the one liners

 

he is sure as shit gonna get the million subs - as soon as hearns to leave the camera on autoexposure

where does he get this string of eastern europeans.... are they working women?

 

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20 minutes ago, dylan winter said:

he is sure as shit gonna get the million subs - as soon as hearns to leave the camera on autoexposure

where does he get this string of eastern europeans.... are they working women?

 

D

Unwatchable.

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another video aggregator has appeared - it might break the hold of youtube...but seems like a long shot

 

this the email from Max...

I am an avid sailor myself and sailed in the Med (Turkey, Greece, Ibiza, Spain) with my 45ft wooden Colin Archer when I was 23-26 year old.
I currently live on fixing and preparing my Catfisher 32 catamaran in Redondo Beach California and planning to sail until the butter melts in few years. Your program has been mentioned to me few times in the past weeks just by coincidence. I wanted reach out and see if we can do together.

In real life I am IPTV, PayTV, satellite broadcasting and content acquisitions professional.

I would like to put channels together and support fellow sailors all around. I am talking with Delos, Curiosity, RAN, Uma etc.
Also talking to several Sailing Channels.

Would you be interested to share your content on our OTT platform. Another possible revenue generation for you.
Let me explain and introduce us to you,

Zenither TV, under Martell Broadcasting is a well funded new start-up OTT platform. Please visit www.zenither.com

Zenither TV have, YouTube  caliber or better content, Live TV channels, Sports, Music, News, E-Gaming, Kids and Ethnic channels which enhances the viewer experience. So it is a total package with all content for todays users with unique features like video-side chat, merchandizing, transparent advertisement revenue share etc. Its basically a CableTV Platform on OTT infrastructure.
 

 

this is the pitch

 

Busting the youtube monopoly is going to be very, very tough.

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16 hours ago, dylan winter said:

unmissable

 

that aside....

 

here is a tale of not being able to walk away from your sunken yacht

 

 

Time for it to go to landfill. Dragging the process out for YT views?

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2 hours ago, SCANAS said:

Time for it to go to landfill. Dragging the process out for YT views?

Not even gonna click on this one....

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Zatara has traded in their 55ft Bene for a 58 ft cat, more room to store their Keurig K-cups and Christmas trees and machine guns:

 

 

 

Also, YouTube has started putting the Subscription tab in non-chronological order so that'll be fun.

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1 hour ago, Mark Set said:

Zatara has traded in their 55ft Bene for a 58 ft cat, more room to store their Keurig K-cups and Christmas trees and machine guns:

 

 

 

Also, YouTube has started putting the Subscription tab in non-chronological order so that'll be fun.

I would love to see their undeclared firearms discovered by customs.

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Their old Beneteau is still being advertised so it might not have been sold yet. The boat is being sold ex tax so that makes it less attractive than local boats. The buyer will either have to take it out of the country or pay roughly USD 60,000 in tax.

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12 hours ago, dylan winter said:

blimey...

they have stepped out of the soap bubble for a moment or two

goodonem

the punters will not like it. I got death threats for mentioning Trump

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Oh I woudn't call it a surprise, they have always been firmly into territory I would call "Gucci Communists".

Usually the domain of Liberal Arts uni students, but cruising on a $1Mil catamaran after spending a well paid career in the oil & gas industry discussing the hardships in developing countries can find a niche there as well.

This isn't a new situation in Barbuda, even before last years storms it was issue, part of it being there were more Barbudans with a land claim living in NYC than were actually living on the island itself.

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Can't somebody just write down whatever this is all about?  I'm not gonna waste life watching talking heads.  

Whatever happened to that bunch of strange cryptocurrency kids who were trying to find a small Caribbean nation or two to take over?  

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45 minutes ago, toddster said:

Can't somebody just write down whatever this is all about?  I'm not gonna waste life watching talking heads.  

Whatever happened to that bunch of strange cryptocurrency kids who were trying to find a small Caribbean nation or two to take over?  

This. Just the executive summary, please.

Like I'm going to take the slightest notice of some wanker blow-in on an expensive boat emoting over the poor downtrodden natives anyway. "Save our Barbuda" indeed. What part of 'our' applies in this case?

FKT

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7 hours ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

This. Just the executive summary, please.

Like I'm going to take the slightest notice of some wanker blow-in on an expensive boat emoting over the poor downtrodden natives anyway. "Save our Barbuda" indeed. What part of 'our' applies in this case?

FKT

Coles Notes, Bobby De Niro is fucking over 1500 people that can't live on their island any more because their corrupt leader is so bought & paid for he wears a Hitler stache.

He's in it for the beach, his grandkids stand to make more out of it than his residuals.

Three generations from now, it will be another Turks & Caicos.

 

Oh, and fuck you too.

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On 5/23/2018 at 12:21 AM, Sailing ceil 3 said:

This one has to be the best yet.

I suggest you watch the entire video so you dont miss any of the one liners

 

That is the stupidest thing I have ever seen! I mean honestly, what halfwit adds cheese to a perfectly good seafood linguini. That’s just uncouth.  Totally ruined it. A waste of good seafood. 

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2 minutes ago, LionIsland said:

That is the stupidest thing I have ever seen! I mean honestly, what halfwit adds cheese to a perfectly good seafood linguini. That’s just uncouth.  Totally ruined it. A waste of good seafood. 

That’s just a culinary abomination!!:o

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On 5/26/2018 at 6:44 PM, Dilligaf0220 said:

Oh I woudn't call it a surprise, they have always been firmly into territory I would call "Gucci Communists".

Usually the domain of Liberal Arts uni students, but cruising on a $1Mil catamaran after spending a well paid career in the oil & gas industry discussing the hardships in developing countries can find a niche there as well.

This isn't a new situation in Barbuda, even before last years storms it was issue, part of it being there were more Barbudans with a land claim living in NYC than were actually living on the island itself.

that film has now had 100,000 views

 

so 100,000 more people know Barbuda than did last week

 

as for owning a yacht exluding you  from expressing compassion about oppressed locals.... I think that they can say what they like

 

goodonem

 

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6 hours ago, dylan winter said:

that film has now had 100,000 views

 

so 100,000 more people know Barbuda than did last week

 

as for owning a yacht exluding you  from expressing compassion about oppressed locals.... I think that they can say what they like

 

goodonem

 

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It's a pretty good way to put half your audience offside though. 

Look at how many actors & comedians get shit their shows shitcanned when they sprout off political BS. 

Yes they have the right to do it, will doing it change anything? Should they risk their career / money = I guess that's a personal choice. 

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3 hours ago, SCANAS said:

It's a pretty good way to put half your audience offside though. 

Look at how many actors & comedians get shit their shows shitcanned when they sprout off political BS. 

Yes they have the right to do it, will doing it change anything? Should they risk their career / money = I guess that's a personal choice. 

I've been following this for a while. It is a totally corrupt and dickhead move; a phrase which DeNiro has probably made in his countless B movies (our own Michael Caine!). ~1500 Barbudans stand to get screwed from their communal land by a minister that happens to strongarm from the dominant "partner" island, land that they *own* communally, and you find it in your cold, dark, rotten heart to question their motives? The islanders are not playing to an audience.

Caribbean politics suck. Everyone is corrupt, the parties that get elected are the ones that bestow the most patronage to the most people, usually jobs, and the pendulum swings every election, and the cycle begins again. The ones on top always profit, take advantage of the abundant money laundering opportunities available in the area, and wait for the next election cycle to pillage again.

Been there a long while ago. It was one of the few unspoiled-by-tourism islands left in the Caribbean, genuine folks that live on their own terms. Look what's happened to Anegada. If the developers insist on bulldozing forward with a plan, make sure it's in partnership with the locals, staffed by locals, and profits shared with them - that's the way of life they've chosen.

And the Nobu restaurants bankrolled by DeNiro suck for what they cost - we have one locally. We get better quality, service and respect for a quarter that cost in any top-notch restaurant in coastal cities' Japantown or better yet, Japan. I suspect the proposed resort will follow that model.

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The "we sold everything and bought a piece of shit without knowing anything about sailing" videos are getting old, but my wife and I follow a number of them as they are a great learning experience for her.  We've also bought a 10 year old Jeanneau 45DS, sold everything, but only after working for 40 years and having a solid financial footing to refit the boat for long term cruising and a good yearly maintenance budget.  We discuss the videos and she is now able to pick out the dumb ass moves these kids make with their boats or poor/dangerous sailing techniques.....  I'll never wish problems on anyone, as it is so easy to happen to you, but these two seem to be a sailing disaster waiting to happen.....  Wicked Salty had an old Ericson 30 that they sold and their next boat was quickly sunk while on a mooring (guessing a seacock issue).  Their latest boat they also just about sunk when the engine exhaust/cooling water mixing fitting failed and their PYI dripless shaft seal started leaking.....

 

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5 hours ago, Huggy Bear Brown said:

The "we sold everything and bought a piece of shit without knowing anything about sailing" videos are getting old, but my wife and I follow a number of them as they are a great learning experience for her.  We've also bought a 10 year old Jeanneau 45DS, sold everything, but only after working for 40 years and having a solid financial footing to refit the boat for long term cruising and a good yearly maintenance budget.  

 

Good choice of boat.  They are beautiful and pretty solid from what other owners have told me.

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4 hours ago, MauiPunter said:

Good choice of boat.  They are beautiful and pretty solid from what other owners have told me.

Thanks my friend....we're pretty happy with her, but have had very little time putting her through her paces.....now in Tiverton, RI and hoping to enjoy our first summer as a liveaboard prior to heading to the Caribbean.  Had a chance to take a look at your videos....looks like a sweet ride!

 

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2 hours ago, Huggy Bear Brown said:

Thanks my friend....we're pretty happy with her, but have had very little time putting her through her paces.....now in Tiverton, RI and hoping to enjoy our first summer as a liveaboard prior to heading to the Caribbean.  Had a chance to take a look at your videos....looks like a sweet ride!

 

That is our long term goal.  I am working on getting the family up to speed before we take on that adventure.  This season our "challenge sail" is to sail to Halifax from Boston, non stop.  In a normal weather pattern it should take around three days of sailing.  So, we will get to work out the kinks on over-night sails and watch schedules.

Enjoy your season and good luck on the adventure.

 

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12 hours ago, Huggy Bear Brown said:

The "we sold everything and bought a piece of shit without knowing anything about sailing" videos are getting old, but my wife and I follow a number of them as they are a great learning experience for her.  We've also bought a 10 year old Jeanneau 45DS, sold everything, but only after working for 40 years and having a solid financial footing to refit the boat for long term cruising and a good yearly maintenance budget.  We discuss the videos and she is now able to pick out the dumb ass moves these kids make with their boats or poor/dangerous sailing techniques.....  I'll never wish problems on anyone, as it is so easy to happen to you, but these two seem to be a sailing disaster waiting to happen.....  Wicked Salty had an old Ericson 30 that they sold and their next boat was quickly sunk while on a mooring (guessing a seacock issue).  Their latest boat they also just about sunk when the engine exhaust/cooling water mixing fitting failed and their PYI dripless shaft seal started leaking.....

 

I'd give the Wicked Salty crew a pass, they're far from clueless, just early 20's.  They actually can sail and take care of themselves, and mayhap being early 20's entrust a little too much to providence and a little less to fine tooth comb maintenance on boats they can afford.

 

 

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On 5/27/2018 at 5:37 PM, Dilligaf0220 said:

Bobby De Niro is fucking over 1500 people that can't live on their island any more because their corrupt leader is so bought & paid for he wears a Hitler stache.

How is De Niro is fucking anyone over or preventng anyone's return to Barbuda by leasing land for a resort that is largely inhabitable without a lot of capex?

If his name wasn't De Niro this thing would have no airplay. He is a megaphone everyone wants to yell through at their political leaders, including tache and brow re just the freeholding aspect only, not De Niro's "exclusive use" over the land which he has acquired in a lawful manner.

By all means get rid of a corrupt regime, but saying or implying that De Niro is corrupt to sell that message to the outside world is pretty ordinary.

By the way how do these 1,500 who want to return sustain themselves if they don't get a job at Mr Bobby's resort or someone else who has invested there on the basis there is low or no sovereign risk? The UK taxpayer for those sitting in that Sth London flat won't be. Who is going to provide the wi-fi that the tache and brow's of the world use to upload their vids?

All pretty hypocritical if you ask me.

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If you are “talking to me “ about who is interested in your opinion well pal nobody.

Mr Bobby is feathering his own nest nobody’s else.

You are obviously reading selectively between the lines and choosing to ignore the paradigm shift in local land rights that Bobby is expecting to be profiting from.

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4 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

How is De Niro is fucking anyone over or preventng anyone's return to Barbuda by leasing land for a resort that is largely inhabitable without a lot of capex?

If his name wasn't De Niro this thing would have no airplay. He is a megaphone everyone wants to yell through at their political leaders, including tache and brow re just the freeholding aspect only, not De Niro's "exclusive use" over the land which he has acquired in a lawful manner.

By all means get rid of a corrupt regime, but saying or implying that De Niro is corrupt to sell that message to the outside world is pretty ordinary.

By the way how do these 1,500 who want to return sustain themselves if they don't get a job at Mr Bobby's resort or someone else who has invested there on the basis there is low or no sovereign risk? The UK taxpayer for those sitting in that Sth London flat won't be. Who is going to provide the wi-fi that the tache and brow's of the world use to upload their vids?

All pretty hypocritical if you ask me.

Common land is older than capitalism, transforming common land to freehold is just stealing the community (unless they agree  but they obviously don't).

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34 minutes ago, Panoramix said:

Common land is older than capitalism, transforming common land to freehold is just stealing the community (unless they agree  but they obviously don't).

Well that community should attack the "giver" which they are, but to crucify the "reciever" as being corrupt and who just happens to be a "name" to assist the prosecution of their message, but ignoring he already enjoys a lease equivalent to freehold with that communities blessing is opportunistic and a cheap shot.

In the context of this thread as Dylan points out above 100,000 more people are indoctrinated with the viewpoint of a couple of "blow in panhandlers" going beyond just surviving using the age of the internet, but are really no different than this couple who haven't scored a catamaran.

The  cat couple can fuck off if they think their access to an audience now gives them the right to lecture beyond their capability and understanding, when all it really is one of generating more hits at making their till go ching.

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32 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Well that community should attack the "giver" which they are, but to crucify the "reciever" as being corrupt and who just happens to be a "name" to assist the prosecution of their message, but ignoring he already enjoys a lease equivalent to freehold with that communities blessing is opportunistic and a cheap shot.

In the context of this thread as Dylan points out above 100,000 more people are indoctrinated with the viewpoint of a couple of "blow in panhandlers" going beyond just surviving using the age of the internet, but are really no different than this couple who haven't scored a catamaran.

The  cat couple can fuck off if they think their access to an audience now gives them the right to lecture beyond their capability and understanding, when all it really is one of generating more hits at making their till go ching.

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Of course, I think that I will plant a tent in your front garden then claim that it's my freehold, we will see if you are as generous with your land as you are with others'.

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30 minutes ago, Panoramix said:

Of course, I think that I will plant a tent in your front garden then claim that it's my freehold...

Go right ahead afterall you have had practise like Guadeloupe, Martinique, Saint-Barthélemy and Saint Martin etc. Maybe time you got off that high horse Bonaparte.

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Just now, jack_sparrow said:

Go right ahead afterall you have had practise like Guadeloupe, Martinique, Saint-Barthélemy and Saint Martin etc. Maybe time you got off that high horse Bonaparte.

We are amateurs at land grabbing compared to Yanks and Aussies...

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50 minutes ago, Panoramix said:

We are amateurs at land grabbing compared to Yanks and Aussies...

Actually not amateurs just slow or not good at execution plus your history needs a refresh. The Brits beat the French to grabbing Australia by a few days. In contest with other Euro powers trying to get a foothold in America grand ideas like setting prisoners free in Paris under the condition they marry hookers and go with them to Louisiana all sort of went pear shaped. 

Though I have to say persistent where unlike other Euro colonists who folded the tent long ago, the French have hung onto many to this day.

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9 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Actually not amateurs just slow or not good at execution plus your history needs a refresh. The Brits beat the French to grabbing Australia by a few days. In contest with other Euro powers trying to get a foothold in America grand ideas like setting prisoners free in Paris under the condition they marry hookers and go with them to Louisiana all sort of went pear shaped. 

I think you are right, I need to plant a tent in your front garden asap, that will right a tiny bit of this injustice we've suffered in Australia.

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10 minutes ago, Panoramix said:

I think you are right, I need to plant a tent in your front garden asap, that will right a tiny bit of this injustice we've suffered in Australia.

I think the injustice you speak of and the one responsible was the promotor who took Abba there.

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1 minute ago, jack_sparrow said:

Actually not amateurs just slow or not good at execution plus your history needs a refresh. The Brits beat the French to grabbing Australia by a few days. In contest with other Euro powers trying to get a foothold in America grand ideas like setting prisoners free in Paris under the condition they marry hookers and go with them to Louisiana all sort of went pear shaped. 

Though I have to say persistent where unlike other Euro colonists who folded the tent long ago, the French have hung onto many to this day.

Another sense of the popular phrase "grabbed by the pussy"

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De Niro got a leasehold on Barbuda for a resort property, and he lobbied the government to make it freehold so his group can make an investment in it with less risk. Nothing wrong with that. The problem is Barbuda is apparently ruled by a group of people on another island with no connection to their interests and also corrupt. 

I hate to see yet another Caribbean island taken over by resorts, as if here weren't enough of them. 

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4 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Actually not amateurs just slow or not good at execution plus your history needs a refresh. The Brits beat the French to grabbing Australia by a few days. In contest with other Euro powers trying to get a foothold in America grand ideas like setting prisoners free in Paris under the condition they marry hookers and go with them to Louisiana all sort of went pear shaped. 

Though I have to say persistent where unlike other Euro colonists who folded the tent long ago, the French have hung onto many to this day.

Damn, no wonder New Orleans is so much fun!

- Stumbling

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My favorites over at free range sailing usually get about 28-30 thousand views per episode... but this one has 5.5 million views... I wonder why?? hmmmmm 

 

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13 hours ago, Mark Set said:

De Niro got a leasehold on Barbuda for a resort property, and he lobbied the government to make it freehold so his group can make an investment in it with less risk. Nothing wrong with that. 

Correct. De Niro has long term exclusive use of the land and that was sanctioned by the locals. However there is a corrupt government and a vocal minority group, some who have lived offshore for generations, who now don't like aspects of that arrangement.

So with that in mind what is the level of sovereign risk now for anyone willing to invest there, rebuild post Irma and provide job opportunity which is now nearly non-existent? I suggest unacceptable and no one will bother.

Converting long term leasehold to freehold at additional cost to De Niro seems a pretty good deal for locals to achieve all the above.

Or maybe they should just take videos of their existence and open a Patreon account.

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