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5 hours ago, dylan winter said:

stratospheric hits for la vag

100,000 in six hours

bikini, baby, dead fish, foredeck - the ultimate thumbnail

all it needs is a person falling over - they have done very well... goodonem

 

 

 

I've come back to have a look at that image.  Not for the snatch but because it was strangely disturbing.  She is prostituting her body and monetizing her child even though no one wants to see the kid, just her snatch.

Throw the fish into the mix and this is a really disturbing scene.  I feel for her, I really do.

But that's what you get when you beg for money on the interweb.

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1 hour ago, astro said:

I've come back to have a look at that image.  Not for the snatch but because it was strangely disturbing.  She is prostituting her body and monetizing her child even though no one wants to see the kid, just her snatch.

Throw the fish into the mix and this is a really disturbing scene.  I feel for her, I really do.

But that's what you get when you beg for money on the interweb.

I thought from the Greta crossing that La Vag was all Vegan. So what's with the fish? They just like killing them?

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4 hours ago, astro said:

I've come back to have a look at that image.  Not for the snatch but because it was strangely disturbing.  She is prostituting her body and monetizing her child even though no one wants to see the kid, just her snatch.

Throw the fish into the mix and this is a really disturbing scene.  I feel for her, I really do.

But that's what you get when you beg for money on the interweb.

they have read the market perfectly

LaVag is a work of genius

 

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21 hours ago, astro said:

and that bikini gives a different meaning to La Vag.

Am I a bad person for having thought the same thing?

The thing I don't understand about the bikini-as-clickbait trope is that there are already boatloads of porn all over the internet, sorted and categorized by every possible niche market and sub-genre (if that's the right term).  I'm no more keen to watch a sailing video for boobs than I am to visit pornhub looking for advice about anchoring. 

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1 hour ago, Corryvreckan said:

Am I a bad person for having thought the same thing?

The thing I don't understand about the bikini-as-clickbait trope is that there are already boatloads of porn all over the internet, sorted and categorized by every possible niche market and sub-genre (if that's the right term).  I'm no more keen to watch a sailing video for boobs than I am to visit pornhub looking for advice about anchoring. 

This thread is 69 pages long. Somewhere, long ago, I made a similar comment. I still don't get it.

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1 hour ago, Corryvreckan said:

Am I a bad person for having thought the same thing?

The thing I don't understand about the bikini-as-clickbait trope is that there are already boatloads of porn all over the internet, sorted and categorized by every possible niche market and sub-genre (if that's the right term).  I'm no more keen to watch a sailing video for boobs than I am to visit pornhub looking for advice about anchoring. 

Hmmm....anchoring porn....

 

"Back-it down some more, baby. I can feel it digging in"

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49 minutes ago, Ajax said:

This thread is 69 pages long. Somewhere, long ago, I made a similar comment. I still don't get it.

Sorry for the repetition - I'm joining in late to the party and haven't read all the back pages. 

I could sort of understand back in high school, when a Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition gave some sort of plausible deniability in case your mother found it, that a Playboy didn't.  But the audience for sailing vids can't all be pre-adolescent boys, can it?  Maybe married guys worried that their spouse might search their browser history?

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1 hour ago, Bryanjb said:

Hard to believe a pretty girl in a bikini is so offensive to so many.  What a bunch of gay fucks you perverts are.

La Vag and similar ilk aren't offensive to me. They're boring. I simply don't bother watching them.

Methinks you're projecting again.

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2 hours ago, Bryanjb said:

Hard to believe a pretty girl in a bikini is so offensive to so many.  What a bunch of gay fucks you perverts are.

Offensive? More like tedious. 

Like was said earlier,  if I want porn,  I'll look at porn hub. When I want sailing,  I watch Dylan and How to Sail Oceans. 

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4 hours ago, Ajax said:

Offensive? More like tedious. 

Like was said earlier,  if I want porn,  I'll look at porn hub. When I want sailing,  I watch Dylan and How to Sail Oceans. 

Watching Maya & Aladino on MAGIC CARPET head up the Rhone is pretty nice. Not sailing by any means, but interesting. Something I'd like to do myself one day but probably never will.

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Just now, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Watching Maya & Aladino on MAGIC CARPET head up the Rhone is pretty nice. Not sailing by any means, but interesting. Something I'd like to do myself one day but probably never will.

FKT

it does look like a slog going up the rhone in winter against the winter flow...

note to self - if doing the rhone do it downhill

If doing it up hill then do it during a european drought

D

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21 minutes ago, dylan winter said:

it does look like a slog going up the rhone in winter against the winter flow...

note to self - if doing the rhone do it downhill

If doing it up hill then do it during a european drought

D

IIRC I read an account of one of your countrymen doing it shortly after WW2. I think it was in 'Isobel and the Sea'. Didn't sound like a lot of fun then but I suspect there's a lot more locks been installed since then.

But yeah, I think I'd want a *lot* more than 15HP or so if I was going up river.

FKT

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4 hours ago, dylan winter said:

it does look like a slog going up the rhone in winter against the winter flow...

note to self - if doing the rhone do it downhill

If doing it up hill then do it during a european drought

D

Many years ago, Mum and Dad went on a wine tasting cruise up the Rhine.  They deliberately booked the upriver direction because the current meant they'd have an extra day to drink wine.

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I've had a couple of cover shots accepted at Good Old Boat. These days, they keep telling me that GOB is looking for people on the covers.

 

Our kids live away these days but our daughter was with us on a hot day sailing. She'd been in and out of the water all day, as she always has, and had a bathing suit top on. I liked the colors (red is killer against Maine background), and the young confident girl at the wheel, I took a few quick shots.  

 

Later that year GOB asked me if I had any cover shots. Going through a bunch, I scrolled to this one. I like it, but I'm her Dad. I think it's modest, wholesome and real. But I thought, HA! they would never use it.

 

Then I thought, hold on, why shouldn't a girl get on the cover of a sailing magazine just because she has a bathing suit top on. Do girls have to have land clothes on sailing, do boys?

 

So I asked my wife who said she thought it was a good photo (she has a good ex-catholic gauge of propriety). Then my daughter, she just laughed, 'I don't care Dad'.

 

So I sent it to the editor, who is a young guy (compared to me), with the question: is this appropriate?

 

He loved it and while he didn't directly answer my question, he did in fact answer me, by saying, "I'd love to use it in the magazine as sailor of the month or on the online GOB monthly piece.  

 

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So the answer is: and this is MY interpretation: This is a sailing magazine. Any and all suggestion that we're trying to sell it via sex doesn't work for many sailors, regardless of age.

 

Sailing is an ancient life long pastime-sport, like mountaineering, touring, tennis - cricket - football (soccer).  All these noble endeavors rise above the level of typical selling venues like Victoria Secret, Youtube sailing, etc. 

 

BTW, I like the La Vag photo, but not for sailing. But it's a great sales tool to sell, something (Youtube usage, apparently).

 

And where is the 'sailing' in that photo? A turn buckle? YouTube sailing is a life style niche, that's why the numbers are there. 

 

Another reject photo below: I still think GOB missed the mark on this cover shot, below. It looks too much like an old wooden boat (which is taboo on their cover), but it is a glass version of the North Haven Dinghy. 

 

This says sailing to me. It's good in the vertical format too(and high resolution so it's sharp). 

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@Kris Cringle  There's more to shitty, soft-porn Youtube videos than a woman wearing a bikini.  It's also how that image is used. There's nothing wrong or overtly sexual about the photo that you posted. There's nothing that says "We're using this woman's assets to sell magazines."

With Vag and several others, it's literally all they do. The dirty little trick with the thumbnails is insulting. Really? You don't have any content good enough, so you have to lie with a suggestive thumbnail to lure people in?

"Sailing Magic Carpet" runs right up to that line and sometimes puts a toe over it. Sweet, innocent Maya is well aware that she is a stunning looker and she uses it but thank God they offer some decent sailing content as well as an artistic twist with the music. I like to watch Aladino make things and watch his take on boat maintenance. The guy's skills are simply incredible. Seeing grizzled old veterans in boat shops is the norm. Seeing a such a young guy take up these skills and excel at them is exciting and gives me hope for the future of sailing and sailboats. They offer just enough real, interesting content that I'll watch them sometimes.

I've said this several times- It's about demographics.  La Vag's key demographic is the guy on corona-lockdown in Nebraska, fapping away at his keyboard while his wife is asleep in the next room.  Cruising sailors with miles under their belt are less impressed.

Consider this:

Do you think professional NASCAR drivers would bother watching a fellow NASCAR driver document his entry and subsequent struggles in the sport on Youtube, in their off time?

Probably not.

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18 hours ago, Ajax said:

Offensive? More like tedious. 

Like was said earlier,  if I want porn,  I'll look at porn hub. When I want sailing,  I watch Dylan and How to Sail Oceans. 

I suspect they do multiple times more sailing than you do?

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19 hours ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

La Vag and similar ilk aren't offensive to me. They're boring. I simply don't bother watching them.

Methinks you're projecting again.

FKT

If they're boring, don't watch. 

I find it offensive that a cruising group is so hateful to a cute couple with baby.  

I would like to invite anyone to say to their face what they say here on line.

I'm sitting in an anchorage with many couples with young children, the woman wear bikinis.  It would be interesting to see someone say what they say here.  I would guess someone would get punched in the face.

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steady on old chap

best not to get too offended or wound up by a bunch of generally anonymous old blokes posting comments on the web during a lockdown

compare it to old car enthusiasts passing comment on clarkson et al on Top Gear

gotta admit though... La Vag are at the top of their game when it comes to thumbnails

400 thousands hits in two days

here are their top hitting films in descending order - impressive stuff

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZdQjaSoLjIzFnWsDQOv4ww/videos?view=0&sort=p&flow=grid

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19 hours ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

La Vag and similar ilk aren't offensive to me. They're boring. I simply don't bother watching them.

Methinks you're projecting again.

FKT

If they're boring, don't watch. 

I find it offensive that a cruising group is so hateful to a cute couple with baby.  

I would like to invite anyone to say to their face what they say here on line.

I'm sitting in an anchorage with many couples with young children, the woman wear bikinis.  It would be interesting to see someone say what they say here.  I would guess someone would get punched in the face.

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Dylan, would you say what is being said face to face?  

Most of the posters here seem like pretty good guys but this thread is not right.  

I'm disappointed that people I like here on this website make these very offensive comments.

 

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42 minutes ago, Bryanjb said:

If they're boring, don't watch. 

I find it offensive that a cruising group is so hateful to a cute couple with baby.  

I would like to invite anyone to say to their face what they say here on line.

I'm sitting in an anchorage with many couples with young children, the woman wear bikinis.  It would be interesting to see someone say what they say here.  I would guess someone would get punched in the face.

Get a grip.

First of all, "Tedious" is not hateful speech.

Second, If I met the cast of La Vag and some of the others, I definitely would tell them to their faces that I do not enjoy their videos and why I find them tedious. I can do it in a respectful way that lets them know that I don't appreciate their art. Guess what? My opinion would mean exactly "squat" to them. They're successful and living their lives, so in their minds, they're "winning." I doubt they'd get very upset with me. Given that they're anchored half a planet away, that opportunity isn't likely to present itself.

Finally, how many couples in the anchorage are pimping the females out in the name of clicks and Patreon pennies? Precious few, I'd imagine.  Your analogy is flawed. These women in the anchorage are wearing (or not wearing) clothes in the privacy of their floating home. These sailing vlogs are...the exact opposite of that. Exhibitionists for cash, I guess.

Stow your faux outrage, bro.

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I'm sorry to see you take you take this tack Ajax, you seemed like one of the more moderate, less hateful people here.  

Guess I was wrong, maybe you'll go sailing some day and your horizons will open.

Disappointing. 

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15 minutes ago, Bryanjb said:

I'm sorry to see you take you take this tack Ajax, you seemed like one of the more moderate, less hateful people here.  

Guess I was wrong, maybe you'll go sailing some day and your horizons will open.

Disappointing. 

If you think that my equating La Vag and others with boredom and repetition means that I'm hateful, we're never gonna agree. I think I'm pretty milquetoast.

You can spare me the "travel and broaden your mind" speech. I've visited something like 16 countries. I don't mean that I've passed through the airports of 16 countries, I mean that I've spent no fewer than 2 weeks and as much as a full year in 16 different nations. That's more than most US citizens. Please don't act like sailing is the only way I could possibly ever truly experience other people and their cultures.

You seem easily disappointed.

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If you want more cover shots, take verticals. Try for non-cluttered backgrounds (shot of your daughter isn't too bad).

Leave room for at top for the title and other words (GOB isn't bad but lots of magazines doso - will clutter up right hand side with lists of what is inside. This what an art director has to look for.

For the Dinghy shot - it's _nice_ but not great if you know what I mean. I say this after my wife and I have had lots of photos and the odd cover published in sailing magazines.

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Here's the latest cover of Pacific Yachting - which coincidentally was shot last summer by my wife. Not a stunner, but lots of room for text!

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On 5/16/2020 at 7:08 AM, astro said:

I've come back to have a look at that image.  Not for the snatch but because it was strangely disturbing.  She is prostituting her body and monetizing her child even though no one wants to see the kid, just her snatch.

Throw the fish into the mix and this is a really disturbing scene.  I feel for her, I really do.

But that's what you get when you beg for money on the interweb.

I've worked in the performing arts part time for years.  My wife has worked part time as an actress and dancer.  My daughter worked for a dance troupe for a while as a musician.  I've come to know dozens if not hundreds of performers, during rehearsals, on stage together, after shows.  Men and women, theater, street performance, dance, music.

There are many of them who truly enjoy having people appreciate their bodies and their appearance in a sexual way and who see that as part of the art and part of who they are as performers.  Don't judge.

As for the child, well, the kid is an extra in a short youtube video.  Save your outrage for the real exploitation that goes on out there in the world every day.

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On 5/17/2020 at 1:16 PM, Corryvreckan said:

The thing I don't understand about the bikini-as-clickbait trope is that there are already boatloads of porn all over the internet, sorted and categorized by every possible niche market and sub-genre (if that's the right term).  I'm no more keen to watch a sailing video for boobs than I am to visit pornhub looking for advice about anchoring. 

Throughout history it has been impossible to agree on exactly where the the line is between art and porn.  I don't think too many people use La Vag as fapping material.

It's clear that La Vag and the various other YT channels that are the subject of this thread are trying to be more than just porn.  They offer an escape.  Boats, wealth, freedom, travel, exotic places, a narrative, people interacting, sailing.  That's the aspiration of the video producers, anyway.  The bodies and revealing clothes are only part of the draw.

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1 hour ago, 2airishuman said:

There are many of them who truly enjoy having people appreciate their bodies and their appearance in a sexual way

Of course, the cure for sexual exploitation is to group up all the exploiters and then it's just normal.

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17 hours ago, dylan winter said:

it does look like a slog going up the rhone in winter against the winter flow...

note to self - if doing the rhone do it downhill

If doing it up hill then do it during a european drought

D

Actually, if you go back in their stuff a few years they did do the Rhone downhill, I believe when they brought Magic Carpet down from Switzerland to the Med. Their channel is one of two I have ever expected money on (yours is the other). 

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I seem to have set the cat among the pigeons... sorry.  The thing that I find baffling isn't the video makers, it's the audience.  One theme of this thread (with occasional hard numbers from Dillon) is that the thumbnails with bikinis get far more views than thumbnails showing any other aspect of the cruising life.  And not only do the channels with more bikini thumbnails get more views, but even comparing apples to apples in the same channel, the thumbnail with the bikini gets way more hits than the one with foulies.

This would seem to indicate that for a lot of viewers, attractive young women in bikinis are not just part of the draw of sailing vids, they are the draw.  But since there are so many other venues on the web for attractive women why is this audience watching sailing videos? 

I suppose one possibility is that most of those hits are one time clicks from someone surfing by.  I can imagine scanning the thumbnails suggested by youtube and the ones with attractive women stand out and get the click.  If so, then most of those viewers probably never return (unless the sailing is particularly good, and draws them into the sport?).  Not sure whether the youtube counts would indicate one way or the other.

And I'm pretty sure I could engage the above conversation in person.  But I can also understand that someone might read my original comment as comparing the video makers to porn, and I'd apologize to them for that

 

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11 hours ago, dylan winter said:

steady on old chap

best not to get too offended or wound up by a bunch of generally anonymous old blokes posting comments on the web during a lockdown

compare it to old car enthusiasts passing comment on clarkson et al on Top Gear

gotta admit though... La Vag are at the top of their game when it comes to thumbnails

400 thousands hits in two days

here are their top hitting films in descending order - impressive stuff

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZdQjaSoLjIzFnWsDQOv4ww/videos?view=0&sort=p&flow=grid

All that really shows is what the youtube Demographic is, the majority of viewers are younger males, the scale of views from top to bottom is basically just a scale of how much skin Elay shows in the thumbnail.

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7 hours ago, tripper_dave said:

Actually, if you go back in their stuff a few years they did do the Rhone downhill, I believe when they brought Magic Carpet down from Switzerland to the Med. Their channel is one of two I have ever expected money on (yours is the other). 

Yeah, I watched those. First time I realised it was actually possible to get to/from Switzerland in a sailboat.

As for BryanJB's faux outrage - I think the Delos crew suck too. Especially the vid they made going to Cocos Keeling, going ashore and wasting a shit-ton of precious rainwater by leaving the tap open to rinse off. Talk about thoughtless and selfish.

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On 5/17/2020 at 2:30 AM, dylan winter said:

they have read the market perfectly

LaVag is a work of genius

 

So that means we should all like it?

I can't watch more than 60 seconds before having the contrived nature of it all make me click off before I gag.

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Just now, astro said:

I said that it was a work of genius and that they read the market perfectly

astro said

 

 

So that means we should all like it?

I can't watch more than 60 seconds before having the contrived nature of it all make me click off before I gag.

not at all

they read the market with perfection  - it is a sort of floating soap - a bit frothy, very fragrant, looks fabulous, undemanding

 

old blokes on cruising anarchy are not  the market for La avag

 

Paradise lost is apparently a work of genius - that does not mean that we all need to spend weeks slogging through its hard to penetrate turgid  prose

 

I do not have a beef with La Vag at all....I heap praise on their perfection

they do suck up a lot of  oxygen and  give the impression that anyone who makes films for youtube is really coining it. 

and the crude google algorithms assumes that if you watch an intelligent film about sailing then you want your inbox filled with pulchritudunous foredeck fodder rather than anything produced by the minnows in the world of sailing films. 

I have spent a decade dancing with the algorithms and they change quite frequently. For while they wanted smiling faces,  for a while they favoured flesh - they still do.

When you post a film youtube offers you three choices of thumbnails. At one time they were chosen from three places in the films - 25 per cent through, 50 per cent through and 75 per cent through.   I spent some time making films that guaranteed having an image of a boat in one of those places.

then the algorithm started choosing them for you  -it favours faces and flesh.   That La vag image has lots of google tropes -- it ticks the boxes for google image algorithm, it has a fish, it has a  baby, it has a  woman in a bikini (the algorithm recognises all these things without people being involved)

You can make your own thumbnail and you can see that for a while it liked bold words and people gurning  at the camera with their hands spread out. 

The algorithm also loves new films and it loves people who post every week or even better every day.  I also played that game  for a while and would save films up and then post one a day for 14 days - you can build the hits by doing that - but as soon as you stop posting new stuff every day it slays you..  The way the hits drop is spectacular . They just dump your films from the google feed.

At the moment it is not interested in anything over 48 hours old - although this has been tweaked recently because the number of sailing films being posted has fallen some-what.

Youtube offers the filmmaker some useful tools - it shows that nearly all the hits come from that youtube suggestions/front  page - in my case around 80 per cent. Very few from subscribers - I think it more or less ignores the susbscribe button.   It pays much more attention if you leave a comment than if you just click a button. The algorithm also really, really hates it if people leave youtube after watching a film - so  using youtube as a gate-way to your own website is a lost cause. Do not put links in the description - that is the kiss of death.

None of this is upsetting in any way .... it is just the way google works.  I used to be a print journalist - print died. Then I made VHS films, then DVDs put  through the post - those died too.  It is progress. 

As I understand youtube pays about $2 per thousand views depending on the demographic and the territory. The eyes of a million Americans are worth more than the eyes of a million Brits or Indians

If you use  music on the film then they also claim it. You can dispute the claim but that entails 40 emails to a google computer before getting through to a human being who  will point out the contract box you ticked agrees to them doing that.

They made a claim on one of my films because it had a seagull on it that they claimed sounded like a seagull soundtrack that was owned by Sony.  I could have disputed it but it is not worth the candle  - not on a 10,000 hit film.

Dylan

 

 

 

 

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Dylan, it is good that you drifted into youtube land, as a way to generate a few buck$, we are better off for it.

But, your description of being at the mercy of an ever changing algorithm ... nah, that's fucked.

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3 hours ago, astro said:

Dylan, it is good that you drifted into youtube land, as a way to generate a few buck$, we are better off for it.

But, your description of being at the mercy of an ever changing algorithm ... nah, that's fucked.

Several viewers have suggested that Dylan open a Patreon account so that people can sign up and fund his journeys but he has declined. I'll let him explain why.

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23 hours ago, Ajax said:

@Kris Cringle  There's more to shitty, soft-porn Youtube videos than a woman wearing a bikini.  It's also how that image is used. There's nothing wrong or overtly sexual about the photo that you posted. There's nothing that says "We're using this woman's assets to sell magazines."

With Vag and several others, it's literally all they do. The dirty little trick with the thumbnails is insulting. Really? You don't have any content good enough, so you have to lie with a suggestive thumbnail to lure people in?

"Sailing Magic Carpet" runs right up to that line and sometimes puts a toe over it. Sweet, innocent Maya is well aware that she is a stunning looker and she uses it but thank God they offer some decent sailing content as well as an artistic twist with the music. I like to watch Aladino make things and watch his take on boat maintenance. The guy's skills are simply incredible. Seeing grizzled old veterans in boat shops is the norm. Seeing a such a young guy take up these skills and excel at them is exciting and gives me hope for the future of sailing and sailboats. They offer just enough real, interesting content that I'll watch them sometimes.

I've said this several times- It's about demographics.  La Vag's key demographic is the guy on corona-lockdown in Nebraska, fapping away at his keyboard while his wife is asleep in the next room.  Cruising sailors with miles under their belt are less impressed.

Consider this:

Do you think professional NASCAR drivers would bother watching a fellow NASCAR driver document his entry and subsequent struggles in the sport on Youtube, in their off time?

Probably not.

I think that people that want to raise to the top of the YouTube views and the ones who need to stay there (La Vag) may have no choice but to have a stunner on board very lightly clad in bikinis and show her in the thumbnail.

kind of the rules of the market... and this because of us human beings and how we have been shepherded by marketing all this fucking years. I don’t clickbait bikini sailing porn but I accept its existence. Another example Is INSTAGRAM. That other evil machine suggest me content according to the preference it guess from my behavior on the app. Well there is always a nice ass in tight pants climbing a mountain, it bothers me and I hear your protest but I think those people make money like that and they like to make money while doing interesting things so they actively try to stay in the cash flow. I used to wear nice suits and ties for business and never liked it. But it seemed I had no choice.

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23 hours ago, Ajax said:

With Vag and several others, it's literally all they do. The dirty little trick with the thumbnails is insulting. Really? You don't have any content good enough, so you have to lie with a suggestive thumbnail to lure people in?

I just can't stand it.  I don't have enough time to explain all the reasons why, there are so many.

Some of my sporting acquaintances who have told me they watch La Vagina are old, single, and old enough to be her father.  When they tell me I think "you poor voyeuristic cunt." 

I refuse to click on those thumbnails after I discovered how dishonest they are.  Makes me feel dirty.  Click on hot women in bikini and discover that it is two seconds of the 15 minutes.  They can go fuck themselves.

On top of that, she is just annoying poor bitch.  I feel sorry for her.  Can you imagine her partner negotiating the actual width of the crotch of the new bikini?

"But dear we need to show a bit of vulva, we need to improve the hits.  Here is the razor"

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@Cuntyhunk You're not wrong. It's essentially "bread and circuses."  Some people like the base slaughter of the Colosseum and these Youtubers are experts at mining that sentiment for cash. I also get what @2airishuman is saying that some people enjoy being appreciated sexually by total strangers. In fact, I'd say that some people absolutely crave that type of attention and go to extreme lengths to get it. I find this rather weird, but whatever.

I *love* women, but at this stage in my life, I'm usually looking for something more intellectually stimulating from my entertainment.  I'm finding my 2nd marriage to be deeply satisfying emotionally and sexually. I think this is one reason why I shrug when the bikini thumbnails pop up in my recommended feeds.  No need to look afield when I'm happy at home.

My wife and I have failed to notice the impact that the stress of dealing with all this pandemic shit has caused us. We went pretty nuts on the boat this past weekend when the relief valve finally popped.

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On 5/19/2020 at 4:29 AM, dylan winter said:

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When you post a film youtube offers you three choices of thumbnails. At one time they were chosen from three places in the films - 25 per cent through, 50 per cent through and 75 per cent through.   I spent some time making films that guaranteed having an image of a boat in one of those places.

then the algorithm started choosing them for you  -it favours faces and flesh.   That La vag image has lots of google tropes -- it ticks the boxes for google image algorithm, it has a fish, it has a  baby, it has a  woman in a bikini (the algorithm recognises all these things without people being involved)

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Thanks Dylan (and sorry for spelling your name wrong a few days ago), this makes a lot more sense.  I was thinking that bikini thumbnails were drawing more hits from viewers, when it seems they actually get more display from the algorithms*.  So if I'm reading you right the algorithms scan all the youtube vids and think "bikinis get clicks" so they offer more bikini clicks, without taking any notice of what viewers want specifically in a sailing vid, or what audience a sailing vid is trying to reach.  In a way, the bikini thumbnails are so common not in spite of the abundance of other options, but because of it.

* Off topic, but I wonder what Al Khwarizmi - the ninth century mathematician for whom algorithms were named - would think of the uses algorithms are put to on the web.

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There must be a point at which bikinis are a red herring and compelling content, such as spearfishing for red larger-than-herring in the Bahamas actually gains most of the views. After all, David Johns of Cruising the Cut gets multi-hundreds of thousands of views for his narrowboat videos with tea and cheese sandwiches. Here are his top videos: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6SNxiLzSlh8e0yjndE9o_A/videos?view=0&sort=p&flow=grid  and you can see over 850,000 people watched his video about a fueling boat and butty and no bikinis were involved.  I'm sure Dylan is right that thumbnails get significant initial momentum but there must be other factors like people seeing the video and watching it through and/or liking it. Which means the videos have to be good in the sense they connect with a potential audience better than other videos in that subject area.   I would also like to complain about people complaining about the sailing in LaVagabond. They are getting better and better at sailing, including sailing with serious people like Nikki Henderson, a pro sailor who by the way, has said Elena is the most amazing woman she pretty much ever met. And they just did a video of Riley sailing Sydney to Hobart. And really sailing is just part of it and it's equally a channel about spear fishing and babies, which is just fine if you like that sort of thing.  I would suggest that all the complainers go and watch a whole bunch of canal boat videos and try to reflect on why Cruising the Cut gets over 100,000 views every video, going through locks and drinking tea.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    

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I'm not sure how to say this without sounding like a total asshole...

I'm a parent. A fairly young parent in fact. I'm only 47 but my kids are in their mid-20's. They are self-sustaining, fully functional adults. In fact, they've survived the pandemic mass layoffs and have emergency savings accounts that look better than mine.

All that being said, I have zero interest in babies or stories of cruising couples that are raising children onboard.  The concept is fascinating and I applaud those who have done it successfully but I'm not interested in watching a vlog that details the day-to-day experiences of raising children onboard. Again, it's more of a demographic thing not a slam or a complaint or "hate" in case BryanJB is reading. Young couples who aspire to world cruising that have small children would no doubt find that format very interesting.

BJ and Zonker have done it successfully. I met BJ and his family as they were passing through on their way out to the wide, wide world. His kids were quite young but I found them to be so polite, intelligent and well adjusted. Now his son has struck off and become successful in his own right and I think it's fantastic. In a world of Xbox warriors and social media, these kids give me hope.

No, I'm not watching La Vag raise their baby. Not interested.

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We're circling back to the oft-stated dilemma of weekly vloggers, bloggers, and their ilk.  Nobody's life is interesting every day.  If you must crank out something every week, it devolves into excruciating minutia.  

A while back I read a book for aspiring amateur videographers (which will remain nameless because I can't recommend it) that claimed to distill all of "film school" into five or six simple rules.  Maybe one of them should be "keep the camera pointed outward, not inward." 

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On 5/19/2020 at 4:45 AM, astro said:

I just can't stand it.  I don't have enough time to explain all the reasons why, there are so many.

Some of my sporting acquaintances who have told me they watch La Vagina are old, single, and old enough to be her father.  When they tell me I think "you poor voyeuristic cunt." 

I refuse to click on those thumbnails after I discovered how dishonest they are.  Makes me feel dirty.  Click on hot women in bikini and discover that it is two seconds of the 15 minutes.  They can go fuck themselves.

On top of that, she is just annoying poor bitch.  I feel sorry for her.  Can you imagine her partner negotiating the actual width of the crotch of the new bikini?

"But dear we need to show a bit of vulva, we need to improve the hits.  Here is the razor"

I'm really glad I don't live in your mind.  

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Always described myself as a Lesbian, I love women and am not offended by La Vag in her bikini, don't want her myself but WTF, the female form is beautiful.  Love my SWMBO and appreciate every day I have with her.  Going yachting our little world tomorrow for a few days, nothing could be finer.

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12 hours ago, toddster said:

We're circling back to the oft-stated dilemma of weekly vloggers, bloggers, and their ilk.  Nobody's life is interesting every day.  If you must crank out something every week, it devolves into excruciating minutia.  

A while back I read a book for aspiring amateur videographers (which will remain nameless because I can't recommend it) that claimed to distill all of "film school" into five or six simple rules.  Maybe one of them should be "keep the camera pointed outward, not inward." 

as you say, no-one has a life that is interesting enough to sustain 15 minutes of TV a week - week in, week out , 52 weeks a year.

- unless they turn the camera on themselves.

the advantages are obvious in that the cast is always ready to perform.

However, I think that in some ways the audience, the paying Patreonista audience, is always pushing the main protagonists to reveal more of themselves.  I do not just mean more flesh (although the Patreons are often rewarded with just that )  but more details of what goes on below decks - cooking, washing clothes, spotify playlists for goodness sake.

  Because youtube does not pay people enough  for  the films they post the whole operation is really focussed on the  uberfans who love the stars  enough to cough up $5 a week - that is $250 a year.  One heck of a committment - to watch a cute baby grow up and his father do a lot of fishing.

 Patreon also encourages them to put out a film each week - each film is payday and the quality of the film can often become irrelevant.

At the same time they have to churn out a new production  each week to keep the algorithms happy - and to feed the thumbnail filters to get those youtube top of feed recomendations.

So it really helps to look good on camera -  and that is the reason I keep the camera pointing outwards - a large screen filled with my jowly face is a frightening thing....a really frightening thing.

I agree with what was said further  up about the exceptions - Sampson Boats Co and the series about the cut  -  both get good hits without flesh..... but even at 100,000 hits that is only $100/$200 per film

this bloke

https://www.youtube.com/user/CountryHouseGent

now charges £1 a pop for his proper films - buried away on vimeo

I am told that he is/was getting around £400 a week

 

 

 

 

 

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20 hours ago, Ajax said:

I'm not sure how to say this without sounding like a total asshole...

I'm a parent. A fairly young parent in fact. I'm only 47 but my kids are in their mid-20's. They are self-sustaining, fully functional adults. In fact, they've survived the pandemic mass layoffs and have emergency savings accounts that look better than mine.

All that being said, I have zero interest in babies or stories of cruising couples that are raising children onboard.  The concept is fascinating and I applaud those who have done it successfully but I'm not interested in watching a vlog that details the day-to-day experiences of raising children onboard. Again, it's more of a demographic thing not a slam or a complaint or "hate" in case BryanJB is reading. Young couples who aspire to world cruising that have small children would no doubt find that format very interesting.

BJ and Zonker have done it successfully. I met BJ and his family as they were passing through on their way out to the wide, wide world. His kids were quite young but I found them to be so polite, intelligent and well adjusted. Now his son has struck off and become successful in his own right and I think it's fantastic. In a world of Xbox warriors and social media, these kids give me hope.

No, I'm not watching La Vag raise their baby. Not interested.

Word. And  it seems that a lot of tubers have baby on board, or soon will have. LaVag, Delos, Ran, Nahoa... I'm sure that old Seadog will also have baby on board soon.

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6 hours ago, Upp3 said:

it seems that a lot of tubers have baby on board, or soon will have. LaVag, Delos, Ran, Nahoa...

I haven't watched Nahoa but by far the worst of the other three is Brian on Delos.  His interaction with the baby is weird.  I enjoy Ran and La Vagabonde (most of the time).

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54 minutes ago, Diarmuid said:

This just arrived in my YouTube feed trough. That sound you hear is YT's algorithm spooging itself.

 

it is usually enlightening to take a peak at the full canon of a new arrivals work

here are all five films in descending order of hits

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-2D2k0lNJGbXLAWYoAnSog/videos?view=0&sort=p&flow=grid

this is only her fifth film and she has 220,000 on this one - her best film yet.  I think it must be because it is a thoughtful film, perfectly shot and beautifully scripted - head and shoulders above almost anything else in the yachting field  on offer on the web

I think we will be seeing more of her - in almost every sense

watch out new baby boatists, bikini line peakists and fish flaunterers ......she is on her way to a slot at the top of a youtube feed near you

cool eh!

Dylan

PS I always think that a pretend captain's hat is a sign of nautical competence

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3 hours ago, Diarmuid said:

This just arrived in my YouTube feed trough. That sound you hear is YT's algorithm spooging itself.

 

It was going great until she got her guitar out #notaeuphemism...........................

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5 hours ago, dylan winter said:

it is usually enlightening to take a peak at the full canon of a new arrivals work

You have more endurance or patience than I do. 30 seconds was sufficient.

FKT

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I find all these babies totally offensive.  I was almost going to have to unsubscribe but the chicks from Delos and LaVag manage to still rock a bikini, so that saved it.  Its too cold in Sweden to tell if the chick from RAN is still gonna be able to do it.  I pretty much know how to sail so I'm not watching these videos for the sailing content but I'll tell you that LaVag and Delos do keep moving.  Those people sail alot, and I'll bet they have put down more miles than most of the experts on the sailing forums have in the last few years.  Now if this baby problem keeps up we're gonna have a real tough time.  Imagine if Ruby Rose, Millennial Falcon, Solianus, or Magic Carpet got preggers?  I wouldn't have anything to watch anymore. Well I could keep watching Tula.  I dont think Zora has any chance of having a baby problem so at least there is that.  

And don't get me started on Catamarans. 

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On 3/11/2020 at 2:12 PM, Ajax said:

 

They're on a pretty tight budget and had a string of unlucky equipment failures, including the knees of their chainplates ripping out on the stbd side.

They're on their first ocean crossing from the Canaries to Guadalupe right now. These videos are front-loaded and on autopilot.  I'm pretty jealous of their passage making. I told them that by the time they make Guadalupe, they'll be the only virus-free spot on the planet. ;)

.....and here is the rest of the story.....page 28.  https://www.caribbeancompass.com/

 

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6 hours ago, dylan winter said:

he is on a ventilator

she is stranded on the boat

I think many people still don't realize that when it gets you, you're really fucked!  http://whereisbrickhouse.com/2020/05/24/covid-19/

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Then even on the ventilator, he wasn’t getting oxygen absorbed in to his blood stream. They eventually found That his aveolis sacs had bursted in a number of places so they put drains in, and then finally he had good oxygen level. The inflammation in his lungs went down slowly, and the ventilator was able to be turned down from 80% to 60% and to 50% yesterday. They felt his lungs and the coronavirus was subsiding on the assault on his lungs.

But his kidneys which need a normal level of 3-5 creatine, and where people end up hospitalized at about a level of 16…his creatine was 200, then 300, and now 8-9 days later is 646. An increase of about 100 per day is considered to be total failure. His kidneys are doing nothing. Kidneys are said to be very resilient so there is a chance they can regenerate and heal.
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So here on Day 9, Patrick remains on the ventilator….in very very poor condition. Sometimes I get kind doctors who try to not make it sound hopeless, and other days I get doctors I want to punch out for even insinuating that 69 is old.

 

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On 5/23/2020 at 11:32 PM, Diarmuid said:

This just arrived in my YouTube feed trough. That sound you hear is YT's algorithm spooging itself.

 

now this a vlog worthy of this thread!  nice puppies, always out, WFD!

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On 5/21/2020 at 1:37 AM, Foiling Optimist said:

David Johns of Cruising the Cut gets multi-hundreds of thousands of views for his narrowboat videos with tea and cheese sandwiches.[...] over 850,000 people watched his video about a fueling boat and butty and no bikinis were involved. [...]I would suggest that all the complainers go and watch a whole bunch of canal boat videos and try to reflect on why Cruising the Cut gets over 100,000 views every video, going through locks and drinking tea.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     

David Johns is former BBC reporter and is a master cameraman, narrator, and editor.  The technical quality of the videos is impeccable with the recent ones shot in 4K.  Every one of his videos is happy and uplifting throughout with, at most, an isolated offhand critical remark -- perhaps about the weather or some minor violation of mooring etiquette.  There is a fine line between "peaceful" and "boring."  He captures the "peaceful" aspect of canal travel by drawing attention to the great diversity of the experience -- landscape, wildlife, weather, traffic, minor historical vignettes, details of the locks.  He entertains and informs his viewers and asks nothing of them in return, beyond a low-key patreon slide at the end of each film.

 

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On 5/19/2020 at 6:45 AM, astro said:

 Can you imagine her partner negotiating the actual width of the crotch of the new bikini?

"But dear we need to show a bit of vulva, we need to improve the hits.  Here is the razor"

How do you know you don't have it backwards?  Maybe she had chosen something more revealing and he was the one who thought a line had been crossed.  In my experience it's usually not the talent who complain that an outfit is too sexy.

And in reality it's a cat-and-mouse game between the channels and the censors at youtube and patreon, and to a lesser extent their audience.  How revealing or erotic can the content become before it gets flagged?  So they push it as far as they think they can.

There's never been a shortage of women (or men) who enjoy taking their clothes off in front of a camera.

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8 minutes ago, 2airishuman said:

How do you know you don't have it backwards?  Maybe she had chosen something more revealing and he was the one who thought a line had been crossed.  In my experience it's usually not the talent who complain that an outfit is too sexy.

And in reality it's a cat-and-mouse game between the channels and the censors at youtube and patreon, and to a lesser extent their audience.  How revealing or erotic can the content become before it gets flagged?  So they push it as far as they think they can.

There's never been a shortage of women (or men) who enjoy taking their clothes off in front of a camera.

All of that, its sick, that's the way history will view this phase.

There must be people out there who are disabled, in chairs or beds and have no option but to live through others.  I have a choice and chose not to watch that shit.  I appears to be a sick cult, a loophole that was viable for a short few years till everyone got sick of it.

And about the narrow boat guy?  No different really to how some people like to watch close-ups of Nigela peeling carrots in the kitchen sink.  Not for me either.

What the fuck happened to us?  I'm sure that not many people on their death beds wish they had watched more LaVagina videos.  But there will be plenty wishing they had gone sailing themselves, or at least spent less time watching a screen.

 

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9 hours ago, Zonker said:

If there's a video worth watching and donating to, this is one:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/childress-covid-care

 

 

 

yesterday they hit the $30,000 target and have raised $34,000

now the target has gone up to $50K

https://www.gofundme.com/f/childress-covid-care

I am occasionally confused by the way the world works

 

 

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8 hours ago, 2airishuman said:

David Johns is former BBC reporter and is a master cameraman, narrator, and editor.  The technical quality of the videos is impeccable with the recent ones shot in 4K.  Every one of his videos is happy and uplifting throughout with, at most, an isolated offhand critical remark -- perhaps about the weather or some minor violation of mooring etiquette.  There is a fine line between "peaceful" and "boring."  He captures the "peaceful" aspect of canal travel by drawing attention to the great diversity of the experience -- landscape, wildlife, weather, traffic, minor historical vignettes, details of the locks.  He entertains and informs his viewers and asks nothing of them in return, beyond a low-key patreon slide at the end of each film.

 

You make excellent points which begs the question:

Dylan Winter does all these same things and his videos have the same quality yet he gets a fraction of the views? What do you think is missing from his equation?

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2 hours ago, Kris Cringle said:

Kids sail $1 sailboat on the cold coast of Maine (no boobs, no charge). 

 

Damn, I'd kill to have a passenger onboard who could play a musical instrument.

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