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Or David Lynch. Twin Hulls: Water, Walk With Me. You expect to see, blurred out of their perfectly staged salon, Dennis Hopper huffing nitrous and crawling up to Nikki whimpering "Mommy mommy mommy." 

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1 hour ago, mainefarr43 said:

These are friends of mine. The woman is a rigging Ninja. My boat spent the winter about 3 slips down from theirs. 

 

Thanks for this. It's lovely to watch some youtubers from our stomping ground.  Some nice videos on what it's really like to cruise Maine.  

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11 hours ago, Jud - s/v Sputnik said:


That’s nice, honey.

Except you didn’t, really.  (But I’m sure you think it looks so awesome on video.)

It does look awesome. I don’t like their channel, boat or her husband but I watched that. I might watch it again.

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On 3/13/2021 at 1:36 AM, Jud - s/v Sputnik said:


That’s nice, honey.

Except you didn’t, really.  (But I’m sure you think it looks so awesome on video.)

Tula did it better, two years ago.  I actually thought those foiling boards looked pretty schweet.  Just not $10k schweet.

 

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6 minutes ago, Jud - s/v Sputnik said:

I can’t un-see him when I see her, so it’s over. :-) (they appear to be brother and sister to me) 

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That guy looks scarily like Richard Carpenter

The Carpenters - Wikipedia

 

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2 minutes ago, Jud - s/v Sputnik said:

You don’t have to keep it in your head, the lyrics are right here!! :-)

 

 

Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Burt Bacharach...

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2 minutes ago, Dogscout said:

Whoa.  Big Whoa!!!  Dont go dissing George Clinton and P funk.

 

Dissing?  Au contraire.  I love Parliament Funkadelic!  (I was raising Israel’s Burt Bacharach, after the start with The Carpenters, to try to steer the thread’s musical theme in a better direction...)

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20 minutes ago, Jud - s/v Sputnik said:

Boring hits of the ‘70s.

I see your Burt Bacharach and raise you one Parliament Funkadelic :-)

 

 

OK that takes me back to a prospective college visit. A hazy bar with a band playing JJ Cale tunes, then to a late-night party where Parliament, Bootsy, etc blasted on the stereo until dawn. College selection made!

I raise you with the man who gave Bootsy and his brother Catfish Collins their first gigs - Mr. James Brown

 

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3 minutes ago, Israel Hands said:

OK that takes me back to a prospective college visit. A hazy bar with a band playing JJ Cale tunes, then to a late-night party where Parliament, Bootsy, etc blasted on the stereo until dawn. College selection made!

I raise you with the man who gave Bootsy and his brother Catfish Collins their first gigs - Mr. James Brown

 

And, to keep it smooth, I’ll throw some Curtis  Mayfield into the pot

 

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2 minutes ago, Jud - s/v Sputnik said:

Dissing?  Au contraire.  I love Parliament Funkadelic!

Okay then, back to Niki vs Sierra.  This may be more important than the Ginger vs Mary Ann debate that has consumed so many lives.  Not to mention the great wars started by Betty vs Wilma.

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6 minutes ago, Dogscout said:

Okay then, back to Niki vs Sierra.  This may be more important than the Ginger vs Mary Ann debate that has consumed so many lives.  Not to mention the great wars started by Betty vs Wilma.

Can't answer...can't get past thought of a catamaran  :lol:

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3 hours ago, Jud - s/v Sputnik said:

I can’t un-see him when I see her, so it’s over. :-) (they appear to be brother and sister to me) 

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That extraordinary picture encapsulates all that I find scary about the Wynns.

His Daniel-O'Donnell-approved pullover and golfers slacks. Her hideous teenager's dress.  The poor cats dragged off to some public ceremony and abused by being decorated. The huge RV to demonstrate enough wealth to venture to the great outdoors without ever having to step into the great outdoors.  And all adorned with those perfectly-characterless American middle-class straight white teeth that shout "Daddy paid for dentists and orthodontists".  Teeth whose white uniformity mimics the identikit white picket fences that demarcate the precise borders of their all-white hyper-regulated suburbs: "no line-drying" say the bye-laws as everyone shouts "freedom".

For tens of millions of wannabes, this is the 1950s American Dream with added RV.  For those outside, it's the nightmare of vapid conformity described in the great novels such "The Women's Room" and "Revolutionary Road".  It's the vast conformity of a segment of society which has destroyed open discourse and non-commercial culture, where the invisible shackles of financialised everything terrorise the defenceless employees for whom unions are barely even a memory. 

This is of course a subtle parody on the suburban nightmare.  The RV places them a bit above the mass of salary-serfs, as does the later catamaran, though of course both mark them out as being well below the real rich (with exclusive beach houses), and even below the true upper-middles who have escaped the white-fenced burbs.

This is the place that lives in fear of the fantasy threats from the commies and then the Muslims, and always from the blacks, rather than from the white supremacists who have a near-monopoly on actual terrorism.  As the great literature of the suburbs reveals, the real threat is internal: its the psychoses created by this white-toothed Brave New World.

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28 minutes ago, Jud - s/v Sputnik said:

That is good writing -solid cultural critic sort of stuff.  Did you/do you write for like The Guardian or something?

I thought so to. I don't have the faintest idea who those people are though. I've gotta pay better attention. 

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Well written.

There is something creepily parfait about them.

They both look good on camera and sound good. Videos are technically perfect.

They seldom  say or do anything surprising or witty or profound

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They are or were filmmakers/ videographers for private clients apparently which is how they earned their money

and explains their technical competence

is showing skin a new ting though?

woz a ting in the Solent back in the day

if this video at 06:00 is anything to go by

Im intrigued by „sol quest of nassau“ at 03:45 though. Anyone recognise the design?

Also, I hear that glass fibre and marinas are growth industries. 

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51 minutes ago, dylan winter said:

Well written.

There is something creepily parfait about them.

They both look good on camera and sound good. Videos are technically perfect.

They seldom  say or do anything surprising or witty or profound

Thanks, Dylan.

Yes, the surface stuff is all perfect.  Just like those white picket fences.

But what lurks behind that facade of banality, that careful evasion of error or anger or conflict or insight?

They are a case study for Freud's Civilization and Its Discontents

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To save anyone the trouble : sol quest is a gallant 53 - van de stadt design. First one built of 25. Known as the boat that Naomi James used to become the first woman to sail around the world single handed. Back in the uk now apparently 

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52 minutes ago, TwoLegged said:

Thanks, Dylan.

Yes, the surface stuff is all perfect.  Just like those white picket fences.

But what lurks behind that facade of banality, that careful evasion of error or anger or conflict or insight?

They are a case study for Freud's Civilization and Its Discontents

or, they may be just as banal as they appear to be, although that dude's hair screams poppers and glitter to me so they may be hiding something...not that there's anything wrong with that.

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1 hour ago, TwoLegged said:

They are a case study for Freud's Civilization and Its Discontents

or, they may be just as banal as they appear to be,

Yes, maybe they are just banal.  But after Arendt, banality is a less benign place than we used to think.

Personally, I am wary of people who show so little insight into their own lives or the world around them.  They seem to me to be like a plane or ship with few instruments and fewer observations — a recipe which usually ends well, but has a much increased accident-rate.

8 minutes ago, chester said:

that dude's hair screams poppers and glitter to me

Yes, I also get that vibe from him.  That oddness of that much campness paired with 1950s-woman may be one of the things that makes me wary of repressed something.  

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2 hours ago, Jud - s/v Sputnik said:

That is good writing -solid cultural critic sort of stuff.  Did you/do you write for like The Guardian or something?

Thanks, Jud.  No, I keep a low profile these days.  No publications.

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1 hour ago, chester said:

or, they may be just as banal as they appear to be, although that dude's hair screams poppers and glitter to me so they may be hiding something...not that there's anything wrong with that.

What, pray, are poppers and glitter?

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2 minutes ago, Jud - s/v Sputnik said:

What, pray, are poppers and glitter?

amyl nitrate and well, glitter...i guess you never went to a gay night club in the '80's! :D

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2 hours ago, TwoLegged said:

They are a case study for Freud's Civilization and Its Discontents

Or David Lynch. Twin Hulls: Water, Walk With Me. You expect to see, blurred out of their perfectly staged salon, Dennis Hopper huffing nitrous and crawling up to Nikki whimpering "Mommy mommy mommy." 

It is also possible they are simple, happy people and that we, less simple or happy, despise and distrust blithe spirits. ;) "What are they hiding?" we ask. "Are they unmoved by the suffering in this world, or are they too stupid or self-involved to recognize it?"

Perhaps there is nothing hidden, and they are living the life they want and that brings them joy. Their wake is reasonably clean, they seem to leave the people and places they visit no worse and possibly somewhat better than when they came. I've not heard of them screaming at a food truck driver for not putting mustard on their cheeseburger, or tossing litter on the beach because "the locals do it", or browbeating a low-level official with threats and demands of "Do you know who we are?!" Maybe they'd more laudably devote their time and apparent wealth to crawling thru the rubble of Yemen, pouring Pedialyte into the mouths of dying children. But even that sort of missionary zeal bespeaks a kind of privilege, doesn't it? You don't see poor kids joining the Peace Corps, or guiding tourists at Costa Rican eco-resorts, or spending their gap year sweeping pavements at a Buddhist monastery. That sort of self-abnegation costs real coin.:rolleyes: And the folks who can afford to save the world full time can always shuck that hobby, cut their hair (or grow it back out), don a business suit and slip noiselessly back into the upper-middle class whence they sprang.

Thing is, tho -- I don't resent them for it. The work they did in the Peace Corps was good work. The tourists left the Eco Sanctuary caring more about rain forests than when they came. The monastary pavements needed sweeping. A used catamaran is out sailing around the Pacific islands, rather innocuously, and posting free videos about it on YouTube. Did our booshwah protagonists grow as humans thereby? I'm not the proper auditor of that, and I distrust anyone who thinks they should be. 

 

 

 

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I’ve nowt against them, they seem like millennials afraid of getting old, ie like most millennials, but what’s wrong with that? At least they have each other and society on land seems more a shitshow every day

They remind me a bit of sailing yacht Florence 

They are like a British version of the wynns - more modest and quirky, with an oyster 37 instead of a cat and a sailing dinghy instead of a turtle shredding rib

They are gradually succumbing to YouTube clickbait titles and content tho

This is a shame because the female half speaks a bit like the queen and smiles a lot which is enough for me

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23 minutes ago, Diarmuid said:
2 hours ago, TwoLegged said:

They are a case study for Freud's Civilization and Its Discontents

Or David Lynch. Twin Hulls: Water, Walk With Me. You expect to see, blurred out of their perfectly staged salon, Dennis Hopper huffing nitrous and crawling up to Nikki whimpering "Mommy mommy mommy." 

It is also possible they are simple, happy people and that we, less simple or happy, despise and distrust blithe spirits. ;) "What are they hiding?" we ask. "Are they unmoved by the suffering in this world, or are they too stupid or self-involved to recognize it?"

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A very eloquent and elegant riposte, @Diarmuid

But to lower the tone a bit, I side with the cat.

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Good Lord!  I wander off for a few hours to get some work done (yes, I know it's a weekend, but what does that even mean these days) and you guys are off on a tangent that hits up Hanna Arendt, Sigmund Freud, David Lynch, and [checks notes] Parliament Funkadelic.

So to bring this back to some semblance of whatever passes for normal in this thread, let me just say...

8 hours ago, Dogscout said:

Okay then, back to Niki vs Sierra.  This may be more important than the Ginger vs Mary Ann debate that has consumed so many lives.  Not to mention the great wars started by Betty vs Wilma.

Betty, or GTFO.

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14 minutes ago, robtoujours said:

That series had a decidedly Marxist undertone

The US House of Representatives took a similar view about the creator of this notorious piece of insurrectionary propaganda:

 

 

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Thanks for posting the video. Had never seen her, but will never forget the first time I heard her. She did the best version of that song ever sung (listen to the end if you don't believe me). I'm pretty sure that was recorded, along with the Songbird album, when she was on the way out. 

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4 hours ago, TwoLegged said:

A very eloquent and elegant riposte, @Diarmuid

But to lower the tone a bit, I side with the cat.

I too am a cat person. But I do like dogs (other people's dogs!), and watching a Labradoodle running after tennis balls for hours is ... fun? It hasn't got a thought in its little brain. You throw the ball, it runs madly after it, it brings it back, and its life in this moment is utterly happy and complete. 

I don't wish to be that dog, but neither do I grudge its simple felicity. Whatever resentments I might feel at its callow and pampered lifestyle are probably down to my own shortcoming in the running/slobber/trust/joy departments; or maybe its just the ol' hairball acting up again. ;)

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4 minutes ago, Diarmuid said:

I too am a cat person. But I do like dogs (other people's dogs!), and watching a Labradoodle running after tennis balls for hours is ... fun? It hasn't got a thought in its little brain. You throw the ball, it runs madly after it, it brings it back, and its life in this moment is utterly happy and complete. 

I don't wish to be that dog, but neither do I grudge its simple felicity. Whatever resentments I might feel at its callow and pampered lifestyle are probably down to my own shortcoming in the running/slobber/trust/joy departments; or maybe its just the ol' hairball acting up again. ;)

Dog with felicity? Must be a half-breed with a cat.

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This mention of Hannah Arendt and Dennis Hopper in the same convo got me formulating half of a question that I can't answer. It vaguely relates to identity in the age of youtube and instagram.

If someone takes a selfie in a cave what does the shadow represent?

Or something like that.

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11 hours ago, robtoujours said:

I’ve nowt against them, they seem like millennials afraid of getting old, ie like most millennials, but what’s wrong with that? At least they have each other and society on land seems more a shitshow every day

They remind me a bit of sailing yacht Florence 

They are like a British version of the wynns - more modest and quirky, with an oyster 37 instead of a cat and a sailing dinghy instead of a turtle shredding rib

They are gradually succumbing to YouTube clickbait titles and content tho

This is a shame because the female half speaks a bit like the queen and smiles a lot which is enough for me

I also watch Florence occasionally. More modest and understated yes, and yet there they are in much more remote and potentially risky places (crocs, etc) during Covid. I thought the Oyster was bigger than a 37?

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50 minutes ago, Israel Hands said:

I also watch Florence occasionally. More modest and understated yes, and yet there they are in much more remote and potentially risky places (crocs, etc) during Covid. I thought the Oyster was bigger than a 37?

Nope, 1985 oyster 37 and imo beautiful lines - as it should be - Holman + Pye IOR one tonner design

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6 hours ago, fufkin said:

If someone takes a selfie in a cave what does the shadow represent?

I do find it a bit sad how Arendt has become so much of an intellectual cliche that we are applying her to video youtubers.  

Florence are one of the few youtubers who are proficient sailors. 

 

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Oh I get it now, you're all trying to get me to watch these Youtube sailing channels. Although the David Lynch reference is itching my finger to click, I'm sticking with Rick Steves. 

An American looking for Reign in Rome. 

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1 hour ago, robtoujours said:

Nope, 1985 oyster 37 and imo beautiful lines - as it should be - Holman + Pye design

Not quite. The Oyster 37 was a 1978 IOR 1-tonner, with an extreme diamond-hull and sliver main.  A modestly successful racing design in non-grand-prix series such as https://www.isora.org/ISORA and EAORA, but not a cruiser.

oyster_heritage_37_drawing.jpg.a01ba68d21c50ffc4e366eb4c0af5ed9.jpgFlorence is an Oyster 37 Heritage, a 1984 cruising design.  She is more elegant than later fatter boats, but I don't think she is a visual triumph.  Kim Holman's 1950s and 1960s designs are legendary works of poetry, esp the gorgeous Twister, but he never really made the transition from long keels. By the time of his stroke in 1970 (aged only 44), he had already largely stopped designing. There is a lovely article on his life in Classic Boat mag.

From 1968 onwards, the Holman&Pye firm was actually Don Pye and David Cooper.  Pye's boats were elegant in the mode of their time, which involved a lot of straight lines in the profile.  The 37 Heritage had some of that, and I like to think that if Kim was still around, he'd have softened the edges a bit.

A similar thing happened to Van de Stadt.  After Ricus retired in 1978, his successor Cees van Tongeren also seemed to deprecate curves, and the memorably subtle sheers of Van de Stadt classics were replaced with completely flat sheerlines in boats such as the Dehler db1 and the Samoa 47.

I don't think it had to be like that.  Across the pond, @Bob Perry never abandoned the sweet sheers and subtle ends of an earlier era.  (Yes, some of his racers were fairly flat-sheered, but his cruising boats nearly all kept some). It's a pity that so many Europeans weren't watching closely.

But for all that, Heritage 37 is fine boat, with a solid build and a proven offshore record.  She is a stepping stone between the slim long-keeled cruisers of the 60s and 70s, and the fat-sterned quarter-cabin designs of the late 1980s onwards.  Part of that intermediate status is reflected in the semi-enclosed skinny-double quarterberth.  It can be closed off to form a cramped cabin, but opened up to have an open navigators berth behind the chart table, as in earlier eras.

So a fine boat, but with a short production run (of only 35 boats in 4 years) as the market began to insist on an enclosed bonkbed aft.  If only Kim Holman had dropped in to persuade Don to give her a wee bit of sheer, she could be a classic.  But, that didnt happen, so for me she remains as frustratingly close to perfection as Don Pye's Rustler 36 (a big Twister spoilt by a near-flat sheer and an IOR-style straight-line bow).

As to the couple who sail Florence, I don't find them very engaging.  But they seem more believable and less scary than the Wynns: she doesn't have that porcelain-doll face with orthodontists teeth, and he doesn't look like he's on the edge of one cathartic moment propelling him to run away with the Village People.

 

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Wow, I stand corrected! Great post.

Tastes vary but I quite like the O37 Heritage (ahem), though there are certainly more beautiful designs out there. For me, elegant without being too fusty, and purposeful.

But then my tastes are eccentric. I can never get enough of those bow knuckles on the Laurent Giles Westerly's for example..

Florence couple do seem to be good sailors - I think they were both solent sailors for years or something like that - so not the usual thing of the male half acting the macho skipper beating to windward while the female partner flails around in a bikini or with a baby

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10 hours ago, fufkin said:

If someone takes a selfie in a cave what does the shadow represent?

A copyright strike from Plato's publisher. "This image was removed because it violated our metaphor policy. See Terms of Service for details."

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Thanks, @robtoujours.  I think that we mostly agree about the Oyster 37 Heritage.  There is so much to like about it, but that sheerline grates for me like a single smear on a perfect white wall.

As a kid, I hated the Laurent Giles Westerlies: floating caravans, I thought.  Tubs for people who didn't really like sailing. Friends of my parents used to call them "Weetabix boats", and the family ran an ongoing spotting competition.  The cry of "Weetabix" was followed by a ritual debate about whether the Weetabix boat was the right way up. 

Decades later, I began to appreciate them more.  Those hulls were much more efficient than I had understood, giving lots of space without a huge performance penalty.  The LG heritage of pioneering twin keel designs is visible.

They were tough boats, sailed better than expected, and could accommodate a young family.  They were a sort of everyman boat, which allowed a boat to be used as a country cottage at much lower purchase price than before ... and their ability to dry out didn't just extend cruising grounds way up into estauaries, it also allowed for much cheaper mooring than a fin-keeler which needed deep water.

That knuckle was also a fine innovation, which enhanced the whole family cruising experience by keeping he young uns dry.  I can see why you like them.

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Came across a video yesterday - Top 5 mistakes

1) Sailing with only the Genoa and no Main.

Seems they were happy going only 2 knots before they discovered the Main.

That's as far as i could go

 

Does anyone have a better word for searching than Sailing?  Getting tired of all the Christopher Cross, Cruise ship complaints, and Chris Sails results

 

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9 minutes ago, Diarmuid said:

A copyright strike from Plato's publisher. "This image was removed because it violated our metaphor policy. See Terms of Service for details."

Greeks, eh?  The Romans were more strict about spelling

 

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48 minutes ago, svitale said:

Came across a video yesterday - Top 5 mistakes

1) Sailing with only the Genoa and no Main.

Seems they were happy going only 2 knots before they discovered the Main.

That's as far as i could go

 

Does anyone have a better word for searching than Sailing?  Getting tired of all the Christopher Cross, Cruise ship complaints, and Chris Sails results

 

I hear you. Let me know if you find magic words to get to sailing....

Some of the best sailing footage, and stills (because I like shooting sailboats, sailing) I've found are from the best boat brokers around the world.

I just watched great sailing footage of an old boat for sale on http://www.sandemanyachtcompany.co.uk/ I would have copied it but they have it locked. 

I love classic boats, but even you don't, this 5 minute Vimeo has good sailing, the emotions of sailing, beauty and solitude on the water, plus some history, location, etc. http://www.sandemanyachtcompany.co.uk/yacht/541/AR

Many of the custom builders have some well done footage by video pro's that is really a feast for the eyes. The builders know what they're trying to sell is expensive,  so don't mind spending the $$ to capture sail. 

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3 hours ago, Kris Cringle said:

I hear you. Let me know if you find magic words to get to sailing....

Some of the best sailing footage, and stills (because I like shooting sailboats, sailing) I've found are from the best boat brokers around the world.

I just watched great sailing footage of an old boat for sale on http://www.sandemanyachtcompany.co.uk/ I would have copied it but they have it locked. 

I love classic boats, but even you don't, this 5 minute Vimeo has good sailing, the emotions of sailing, beauty and solitude on the water, plus some history, location, etc. http://www.sandemanyachtcompany.co.uk/yacht/541/AR

Many of the custom builders have some well done footage by video pro's that is really a feast for the eyes. The builders know what they're trying to sell is expensive,  so don't mind spending the $$ to capture sail. 

What’s a Seafartcruiser?

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Seefahrtkreusers were a design class in Germany from 1928 to 1936, according to Wiki


I hear they were real stinkers

I wonder if we have found a cruisers version of the 4ksb? The sfc...

 

 

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19 hours ago, TwoLegged said:

 

As a kid, I hated the Laurent Giles Westerlies: floating caravans, I thought.  Tubs for people who didn't really like sailing. Friends of my parents used to call them "Weetabix boats", and the family ran an ongoing spotting competition.  The cry of "Weetabix" was followed by a ritual debate about whether the Weetabix boat was the right way up. 

Decades later, I began to appreciate them more.  Those hulls were much more efficient than I had understood, giving lots of space without a huge performance penalty.  The LG heritage of pioneering twin keel designs is visible.

They were tough boats, sailed better than expected, and could accommodate a young family.  They were a sort of everyman boat, which allowed a boat to be used as a country cottage at much lower purchase price than before ... and their ability to dry out didn't just extend cruising grounds way up into estauaries, it also allowed for much cheaper mooring than a fin-keeler which needed deep water.

That knuckle was also a fine innovation, which enhanced the whole family cruising experience by keeping he young uns dry.  I can see why you like them.

Weetabix boats - that’s a new one on me!

indeed, very practical designs. Even today the centaur is so bright and airy for a 26 footer. 

hard to believe that they cost as much as a small house when new, of course. Not that there’s much comparable on the new market these days. Some of the smaller french builders like rm who specialise in “biquilles” maybe? 

my favourite Giles westerly design is the discus 33 - while the conway was more elegant, there’s something so plucky and no-nonsense about the 33. That size is about my limit to comfortably single hand anyway. That said, I’ve never been on board one in the flesh.  They seem to have roomy accommodation if somewhat rough in finish. Reputed to sail well but an sa/d of 13.8.. well, it’s a tough blue water boat anyway. Doing the northwest passage each way is pretty well “tested in the big tank” ..

One day I’ll have to crew on one and see if I like it. might afford one in about 10 years ;-) 

Ps it’s “Seefahrtkreuzer” - literally translated “sea voyage cruiser” I guess. Fahrt - voyage - from fahren, to travel or journey - like u know, a seafarer!

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On 3/14/2021 at 9:27 AM, Dogscout said:

Sierra vs Niki.  I might have to do some more research.

Compare Sierra at 40 vs Niki at 40 and I bet it’s Niki for the win. Honorable mention to the dr who did her boob job.

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1 hour ago, loneshark64 said:

Compare Sierra at 40 vs Niki at 40 and I bet it’s Niki for the win. Honorable mention to the dr who did her boob job.

nikki must be at least 40 now, no?

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On 3/14/2021 at 3:27 PM, TwoLegged said:

Yes, maybe they are just banal.  But after Arendt, banality is a less benign place than we used to think.

Personally, I am wary of people who show so little insight into their own lives or the world around them.  They seem to me to be like a plane or ship with few instruments and fewer observations — a recipe which usually ends well, but has a much increased accident-rate.

Yes, I also get that vibe from him.  That oddness of that much campness paired with 1950s-woman may be one of the things that makes me wary of repressed something.  

Most of the generation after, that didn’t experience 1980s punk rock, whether of the very political UK version, or question everything N. American version, is pretty banal.  Loyal brand consumers, etc.

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15 minutes ago, Jud - s/v Sputnik said:

Most of the generation after, that didn’t experience 1980s punk rock, whether of the very political UK version, or question everything N. American version, is pretty banal.  Loyal brand consumers, etc.

I agree.  I miss the punk era, and am deeply saddened by the whiney sound of the me-me music that the yoof listen to.

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5 hours ago, robtoujours said:

hard to believe that they cost as much as a small house when new, of course. Not that there’s much comparable on the new market these days. Some of the smaller french builders like rm who specialise in “biquilles” maybe?

The comparison isn't very helpful, because houses were much cheaper back then.  Typically three times income rather the current 10–20 times. 

But I agree about the French biquilles.  British twin-keelers are a distant memory in the new boat market, but something like the Django 7.70 or the Mojito 888 fills that niche these days.

  

5 hours ago, robtoujours said:

my favourite Giles westerly design is the discus 33 - while the conway was more elegant, there’s something so plucky and no-nonsense about the 33. That size is about my limit to comfortably single hand anyway. That said, I’ve never been on board one in the flesh.  They seem to have roomy accommodation if somewhat rough in finish. Reputed to sail well but an sa/d of 13.8.. well, it’s a tough blue water boat anyway. Doing the

I had a good poke around a Discus when it was new. That was the aft cockpit version, which wasn't really a success: the aft cabin required a huge version of the Swan-style raised bridgedeck, creating three-mile skywalk between cockpit and companionway.

It was based on the hull of the centre cockpit Westerly 33, which was a better set up ... as was the later Discus centre cockpit, which had a crawl-through to the aft cabin.

Westerly's pre-1990s build quality was, as you say rough: not just poor finish, but some engineering deficiencies which made the heavy but not as strong as the weight suggested.  The 1990s boats were much better engineered and better finished ... but the 70s and early 80s Westerlies are at least very DIYable.  Still, I wouldn't take one offshore without structural upgrades.  

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On 3/14/2021 at 8:47 PM, TwoLegged said:

The US House of Representatives took a similar view about the creator of this notorious piece of insurrectionary propaganda:

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, loneshark64 said:

Compare Sierra at 40 vs Niki at 40 and I bet it’s Niki for the win. Honorable mention to the dr who did her boob job.

Wut?  Unlike La Vag I don't think either has been...ahem...using Patreon bucks to be 'augmented'.

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11 hours ago, Upp3 said:
About 3 810 000 results (0,68 seconds) 
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Nikki Wynn
Date of Birth    1987
 

huh.  the resume i had picked up from bits in the thread, both had businesses, they had did the van/rv /vlog liufe and now the sail vlog life across at least one ocean seemed extensive.  Goodonim as Dylan would say. 

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3 hours ago, Dogscout said:

 

These channels reproduce like rabbits.  

the market does seem to be well supplied with these things......

I assume the financial viability is getting slimmer and slimmer.

D

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1 hour ago, dylan winter said:

the market does seem to be well supplied with these things......

I assume the financial viability is getting slimmer and slimmer.

I am thinking of starting a YouTube channel to fill the obvious gap in the market.

Old Cow Sailing will be a unique account of how I:

  • don't buy a neglected 1970s boat
  • don't live in a van to renovate the boat
  • don't drift down the ICW claiming that I am sailing
  • don't have omg-I'm-sinking dramas
  • don't have awesome times with cool people
  • don't pose in the Caribbean under a bimini
  • don't wear a bikini while cooking
  • don't eat self-caught tuna

Instead, I will just fart around near home in battered old good-enough boats, wearing cheap old oilskins when it's warm enough to get out of my wetsuit.  I reckon this will be the next big thing ... and I will be first in this new genre.  If you make generous donations now, I will take care to forget you when I am famous.

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1 hour ago, dylan winter said:

the market does seem to be well supplied with these things......

I assume the financial viability is getting slimmer and slimmer.

D

Iirc you need certain amount of subscribers and views to even get ad money from youtube. And a lot of views to make real money. Eevblog's views and money were something like 2M views and 3k dollars per month. Dunno if the money is different for electronics channel and sailing... errr fixing boat channel.

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2 minutes ago, Upp3 said:

Iirc you need certain amount of subscribers and views to even get ad money from youtube. And a lot of views to make real money. Eevblog's views and money were something like 2M views and 3k dollars per month. Dunno if the money is different for electronics channel and sailing... errr fixing boat channel.

$1 to $1.50 per 1,000 views seems to be about the going rate ... unless YouTube decides to just stop paying you, like it it did to Dylan Winter.

That's why the channels are now living off Patreon donations, and flogging merchandise.  La Vagabonde is launching a swimwear range.

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