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That pretty much describes my daughter's eating habits - as a "pescetarian", she went off the University food plans (Daddy, we'll save money!), does all her shopping at Whole Foods and Trader Joe's, and so much for saving money ;-) They sure sell a lot of ahi in Charlottesville, VA. She's actually pretty frugal, will sacrifice quantity for quality.

 

Thank God she graduates in May, and after the dual-graduation daughter trip to Grenada, during which we catch fish or starve, (Catana Carbon 47, baby!) they're cast off on their own!

 

 

UVa? My parents live in Charlottesville...

 

 

 

You betcha. Dual major from the Archie School in Urban and Environmental Planning, and Global Sustainability.. got a job instantly despite being told she needed a master's; employer is sending her back after 2 years. Pay sucks, opportunities are great. Bad news is it's in Duke territory ;-)

 

Enemies forever. May Coach K and Grayson Allen rot forever in Hell. Streak the Lawn, and Go Hoos!

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She is the daughter of a sailor Both yachts and RN She came to me fully trained she can hold a course,  cook good food on one ring, loves rowing, can double declutch a land rover and ha

I have watched these last few posts with interest I agree that I should put more effort in...... I also a agree that film making has changed. In one vid I made there was a 45 second shot....

Before Tesla was a thing, I converted a 1974 VW Beetle to 100% battery electric drive. People told me "You can't do that." I did it. I drove it all over the Washington DC/Baltimore region for 2 y

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I am on the edge of my seat.

 

This Vag thing is a serious business. These guys own OoootReamMyAssOut and also bought out the pickings of the GunBoat fiasco. Both multi offerings are now being built next door to each other in France.

http://www.grandlargeyachting.com/en/about/

 

So decent sized pockets and a lot of boat production and marketing savy with this crowd.

 

They are making no bones about funding this pair (but the kids are on the hook for the debt/boat).

 

Of more interest is the interesting dynamic of the Kardashion marketing route they are clearly ready to embark upon.

 

Does the new Cat strings attached contract stipulate the girl had to get a new set of tits? In episode 43 does Riley suddenly want a vagina just like Bruce Jenner did? Does the girl then marry a non-reflective non-sailor and get all her jewelry stolen in Paris?

 

This is very weird territory.

 

Why not just ease yourself slowly into it all by investing in a beer can cooler ? Maybe later you could lash out and step up to a t shirt.

 

 

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You know you want one.

Sav fuck the Mo guy...I'm just waiting for the "new cans" on the Can Cooler (sans T-shirt) new Vag merchandise offering to come out.

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As I understand the "reality show" genre (only from indirect exposure) the inevitable screaming fights about money and late mortgage (boat, implant, camera) payments are what the audience really wants. Along with increasingly desperate and outlandish attempts to make ends meet. Drama. Great for viewership. Not so sure about how it will play out for the sponsors, if it frames them as the bad guys.

 

 

And how long does it take for boat porn to turn into porn porn to pay the bills. lol.

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There's always a job in baseball. He's got the look.

 

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Maybe in the 70s. Today they all look like homeless goats.

 

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There is a new vid showing some of the toys on the boat. They sure are getting the deluxe version.

 

So far we are shown AIS, radar, davits, solar panels, water maker, 2 fridges, canvas sun shade, autopilot, full B & G instruments and a Watt'nSea. Whoa! Those things are a great product but seriously expensive and not very good value. There is also a dinghy on order.

 

Hopefully, potential buyers don't think all those goodies come in the standard Outremer product.

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I just offered to look after Vag's merchandising design...wonder how I will go??

 

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Fuck...They knocked me back...I have 200,000 of these fuckers already screen printed for them..unimaginative bunch of marketing pricks....all is not lost though... I can do a reprint to get a capital return with say "Riley takes it up the ar..e". or "LB is a God" or "GunboatsSink" right in the middle or some other word shit...

 

..Any ideas...my kids won't go to uni/college without your assistance.

 

Don't worry I have a Patreon account so you can give me money to watch me drink beer, fall over, mow the lawn, fall over again all while perving on the super model who lives next door if that helps your decision making?

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There is a new vid showing some of the toys on the boat. They sure are getting the deluxe version.

 

So far we are shown AIS, radar, davits, solar panels, water maker, 2 fridges, canvas sun shade, autopilot, full B & G instruments and a Watt'nSea. Whoa! Those things are a great product but seriously expensive and not very good value. There is also a dinghy on order.

 

Hopefully, potential buyers don't think all those goodies come in the standard Outremer product.

Heard of a display home?

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I think it is amazing watching what is happening with La Vag

 

they have clearly decided that the Patreon model of asking people to chip in for two young people having a low budget adventure and sharing it on the web is not sustainable or is hard to grow

 

The last few films have been about receptions, parties, air b and b, waiters, good food, expensive boats and adverts.

 

Nothing wrong with any of that at all, as it is a life style that is truly reflective of my own day to day existence here in East Suffolk

 

The La Vag pair (if I may be forgiven for using such a phrase given recent developments) recognise that they have to offer some sort of developing story - and once they get their on-board video camera operator and editor then things will change dramatically.

 

I am very pleased to see the way the market for sailing films is growing - although a bit sad that breasts and arses play such a big role

 

however, there is hope

 

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Or Outremer approached them?

 

Type sailing into YouTube - LAVAG is first response.

 

don't forget that google is offering you what it thinks you want to see

 

so the search results will be different for a dinghy sailor or a breast lover than it will be for you

 

for a while one of my films came up top of the search engines if you typed big trucks into a clean computer

 

20 million hits on bloody trucks

 

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There is a new vid showing some of the toys on the boat. They sure are getting the deluxe version.

 

So far we are shown AIS, radar, davits, solar panels, water maker, 2 fridges, canvas sun shade, autopilot, full B & G instruments and a Watt'nSea. Whoa! Those things are a great product but seriously expensive and not very good value. There is also a dinghy on order.

 

Hopefully, potential buyers don't think all those goodies come in the standard Outremer product.

Heard of a display home?

 

 

Sure but they are getting around $50k worth of toys that are not available on standard model boats, until you open the wallet.

 

Nice deal.

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Your on the money there Dylan which is not surprising...it will be fascinating to watch how they manage this. Lots of potential to go pear shaped but also they could be on a money screamer. Time will tell.

 

How are you for T-Shirts with summer approaching BTW...I can do a good custom deal....already taken one leg-over off the shoulder print for a batch of one legged ex serviceman guys....Out of good taste I refused to do their middle leg and add a mouth print request.

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Or Outremer approached them?

 

Type sailing into YouTube - LAVAG is first response.

 

don't forget that google is offering you what it thinks you want to see

 

so the search results will be different for a dinghy sailor or a breast lover than it will be for you

 

for a while one of my films came up top of the search engines if you typed big trucks into a clean computer

 

20 million hits on bloody trucks

 

 

Thread drift here - but I figure Dylan started it. Those off road logging trucks on Vancouver Island are HUGE. Just about crapped my pants having one of these things barrelling down on me while taking a private logging road out to the West coast of the Island - talk about filling your rear view mirror - and it was probably a hundred yards behind me. Loads up to 16 ft wide and 30 ft tall. Up to 20% grade and often numerous switchback roads to navigate.

 

Looks like some very large old growth cedar logs on some of the loads. Plus some footage of heli-logging on very steep mountain side. Sikorsky Sky Crane?

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I spent four months out there filming the men. I lived in a ford van. When they got to work I was there, when they left I was still there. The nights when the woods fell silent were amazing.

 

they were jolly nice men

 

so many skills

 

guess where the army went to when they wanted blokes to drive tank transporters

 

this is a three truck tow

 

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Or Outremer approached them?

 

Type sailing into YouTube - LAVAG is first response.

 

don't forget that google is offering you what it thinks you want to see

 

so the search results will be different for a dinghy sailor or a breast lover than it will be for you

 

for a while one of my films came up top of the search engines if you typed big trucks into a clean computer

 

20 million hits on bloody trucks

 

 

 

Used to drive those roads with kayaks on the roof, looking for places to launch. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, that will get your heart rate up in a hurry like coming around a corner and seeing one of those fuckers coming at you in a cloud of dust.

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You know Dylan, for a guy who claims to abhor tits and ass of the sailing variety, you display remarkable skills at knowing where to find them. Presumably all this knowledge was acquired as a by product of your research into the subject.

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You know Dylan, for a guy who claims to abhor tits and ass of the sailing variety, you display remarkable skills at knowing where to find them. Presumably all this knowledge was acquired as a by product of your research into the subject.

 

 

That is exactly it.

 

In order to surrvive in a market you have to watch to see what the market is doing.

 

Tiy have to look to see what people above you and below you in the pecking order are doing right and doing wrong.

 

sadly, google assumes that if you like sailing you must therefore like tits

 

These films will be here forever, and history will decide that the sailors of the early 21st century had a bit of a fixation about female anatomy.

 

it was ever thus

 

http://www.rmg.co.uk/see-do/we-recommend/attractions/nannie-cutty-sark-figurehead

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You know Dylan, for a guy who claims to abhor tits and ass of the sailing variety, you display remarkable skills at knowing where to find them. Presumably all this knowledge was acquired as a by product of your research into the subject.

 

 

That is exactly it.

 

In order to surrvive in a market you have to watch to see what the market is doing.

 

Tiy have to look to see what people above you and below you in the pecking order are doing right and doing wrong.

 

sadly, google assumes that if you like sailing you must therefore like tits

 

I'm trying hard but honestly, I'm failing to see what the problem is, here......

 

FKT

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dylan I'm interweb pathetic so maybe you can help.

 

Can you please advise if there is any difference between what Delos and the Vag guys pull in dollar wise as I'm not convinced Vag gets more money than Delos by having better subscriber, view numbers stats etc.

 

My feeling is Delos gets more real bucks???

 

With your insight there I will endeavour to write something erudite and promise not too mention my fail Vag foot rest T-shirt offering.

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dylan I'm interweb pathetic so maybe you can help.

 

Can you please advise if there is any difference between what Delos and the Vag guys pull in dollar wise as I'm not convinced Vag gets more money than Delos by having better subscriber, view numbers stats etc.

 

My feeling is Delos gets more real bucks???

 

With your insight there I will endeavour to write something erudite and promise not too mention my fail Vag foot rest T-shirt offering.

 

 

two more analyses of the market

 

 

 

but I assume that patreon is where the money rolls in

 

SV delos are currenty at 1384 patrons netting £8652 per film

 

https://www.patreon.com/svdelos

 

La Vag are at 1479 patrons and netting $9192 per film

 

https://www.patreon.com/LaVagabonde

 

they might have other sources of revenue and my guess is that La Vag is now earning more than that per week

 

one of their films had a spoken advert in it for audio books

 

Their revenue from youtube will be almost nothing.

 

I was using paid for music in my films but you tube grabbed them anyway. You can say that the music has been paid for but you have to prove to a google computer that it is yours to exploit - that can take many, many iterations of emails to get the films back

 

so for most vloggers or film makers arguing with a computer is not really worth the effort. My films only get 12,000 hits or so each so it is not worth writing too many emails for $18.

 

Most of the sailing vloggers use real music from real people - then the film (now called a mash up ) belongs to google and Sony/Time warner.

 

So this film

 

 

which has had 3000 hits in ten days will earn dougie's music publishers around $6 - how much ends up with the musicians I have no idea.

 

I started as a print journalist bashing out words on a typewriter.... damn the world changes fast

 

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You know Dylan, for a guy who claims to abhor tits and ass of the sailing variety, you display remarkable skills at knowing where to find them. Presumably all this knowledge was acquired as a by product of your research into the subject.

 

 

That is exactly it.

 

In order to surrvive in a market you have to watch to see what the market is doing.

 

Tiy have to look to see what people above you and below you in the pecking order are doing right and doing wrong.

 

sadly, google assumes that if you like sailing you must therefore like tits

 

I'm trying hard but honestly, I'm failing to see what the problem is, here......

 

FKT

 

Good one! :)

 

I like outboard motors as well! :lol: The Yamaha hat is a nice touch!

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but I assume that patreon is where the money rolls in

 

SV delos are currenty at 1384 patrons netting £8652 per film

 

https://www.patreon.com/svdelos

 

La Vag are at 1479 patrons and netting $9192 per film

 

https://www.patreon.com/LaVagabonde

 

they might have other sources of revenue and my guess is that La Vag is now earning more than that per week

 

one of their films had a spoken advert in it for audio books

 

Their revenue from youtube will be almost nothing.

 

 

 

Interesting... if I interpret the box at the lower right-hand corner of the page correctly, Delos kicks back a bit of their cash to twelve other boats. Including La Vag.

No such box appears for La Vag.

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but I assume that patreon is where the money rolls in

 

SV delos are currenty at 1384 patrons netting £8652 per film

 

https://www.patreon.com/svdelos

 

La Vag are at 1479 patrons and netting $9192 per film

 

https://www.patreon.com/LaVagabonde

 

they might have other sources of revenue and my guess is that La Vag is now earning more than that per week

 

one of their films had a spoken advert in it for audio books

 

Their revenue from youtube will be almost nothing.

 

 

 

Interesting... if I interpret the box at the lower right-hand corner of the page correctly, Delos kicks back a bit of their cash to twelve other boats. Including La Vag.

No such box appears for La Vag.

 

where is that box T

 

can't see it - do you mean on their patreon page?

 

I wonder why such a thing would exist?

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Yes, on the Patreon page. Scroll all the way down, below the Patreon reward levels.

Dunno why... cross-advertising? If you like this, you might like that as well? The same thing appears on "kickstarter" pages.

Maybe a subtle intimation that the proposer is good and generous person just like you and therefore worthy of your largesse?

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Yes, on the Patreon page. Scroll all the way down, below the Patreon reward levels.

Dunno why... cross-advertising? If you like this, you might like that as well? The same thing appears on "kickstarter" pages.

Maybe a subtle intimation that the proposer is good and generous person just like you and therefore worthy of your largesse?

 

 

I don't think that is a money thing

 

in the list of people supported by delos is this page

 

https://www.patreon.com/svMeriwetherII

 

they are earning $3 a film so La Vag would not notice their support - so I am not sure what the significance of the list is

 

interesting though

 

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dylan I'm interweb pathetic so maybe you can help.

 

Can you please advise if there is any difference between what Delos and the Vag guys pull in dollar wise as I'm not convinced Vag gets more money than Delos by having better subscriber, view numbers stats etc.

 

My feeling is Delos gets more real bucks???

 

With your insight there I will endeavour to write something erudite and promise not too mention my fail Vag foot rest T-shirt offering.

 

 

two more analyses of the market

 

 

 

but I assume that patreon is where the money rolls in

 

SV delos are currenty at 1384 patrons netting £8652 per film

 

https://www.patreon.com/svdelos

 

La Vag are at 1479 patrons and netting $9192 per film

 

https://www.patreon.com/LaVagabonde

 

they might have other sources of revenue and my guess is that La Vag is now earning more than that per week

 

one of their films had a spoken advert in it for audio books

 

Their revenue from youtube will be almost nothing.

 

I was using paid for music in my films but you tube grabbed them anyway. You can say that the music has been paid for but you have to prove to a google computer that it is yours to exploit - that can take many, many iterations of emails to get the films back

 

so for most vloggers or film makers arguing with a computer is not really worth the effort. My films only get 12,000 hits or so each so it is not worth writing too many emails for $18.

 

Most of the sailing vloggers use real music from real people - then the film (now called a mash up ) belongs to google and Sony/Time warner.

 

So this film

 

 

which has had 3000 hits in ten days will earn dougie's music publishers around $6 - how much ends up with the musicians I have no idea.

 

I started as a print journalist bashing out words on a typewriter.... damn the world changes fast

 

D

 

 

Thanks Dylan

 

Dylan I was recently laid up so I spent some time looking at Delos and Vagabonde as I simply haven't been interested other than taking the piss out of the Vag. I find your comments about Vag enjoying bigger revenue than Delos pretty interesting.

 

Firstly of all no-one expects Hollywood-style production from a vlog. Pre-production planning on Delos appears to be less structured but made up by better content in my mind. More about that later. Both appear to be pretty slick in the production arena and on par to my unskilled eye. They are using decent mic's, have a range of good cameras including drones and they obviously put a lot of effort into editing so in all probably natively recording with maybe even some post production magic thrown in. Opening audio on Delos however does leave one with a headache after a few spins back to back.

 

As they are often at sea and where upload costs are prohibitive but still do it and both are similar in length. The alternative of having say a 10-minute episodes is maybe not practical unless they are land based at the time. Distribution in terms of outlets and presentation quality they are on par both with U-Tube, Web site, Facefuck, Instagram, Twitter etc.

 

I think Vag's marketing and cross promotion is a bit slicker. For instance I'm already in receipt of an email from B&G suggesting I check out their new gear on the Vag cat.

 

So all up not much to differentiate between them. Now to the bit I don't get, Content.

 

Delos's is infinitely better. Whilst Delos have been at it longer if you take a snapshot of the last 2 1/2 years where both have had a mid-cruise break Delos have produced nearly 80 vlogs, done eastern Indonesia, the Philippines (and parts where many would be afraid to venture weatherwise to the north if they like their head remaining on their shoulders down south), Brunei, Singapore, Thailand, Andaman Islands, Cocas Keeling, Chargos (which is not easy to do permit wise now), Madagascar then on to Cape Town then to head out into the roaring 40's and head eastward to Le Reunion and onto Mauritius where they are now. Some of these places get very little cruiser traffic. For instance according to Jimmy Cornell last year less than 30 cruisers stopped in Nosy Be the main stopping off point in Northern Madagascar and over half of those were Sth African boats doing a seasonal round trip. For those interested I suspect they didn’t do the Maldives on account just a tad to far north and the cost of a cruising permit requires you to trade in a kidney. So these guys are going to pretty interesting places.

 

They have the bikini's, girlfriend breakups, diving, interacting with the locals, fixing stuff on the cheap with ingenuity (the auto pilot fix in Le Reunion was pretty sweet) and all that stuff. They have a more herbal the planet comes first types by comparison.

 

Delos has seen a big variety of weather from motor sailing through mirror conditions to the Roaring 40's. To come I assume Delos will be doing the Seychelles and maybe more Madagascar, the Maldives maybe?

 

The Vag by comparison in the same period has done the same number of vlogs (nearly 80) with their tour starting in the Med, the Atlantic, Caribbean, Suez and Pacific Ocean ending in New Zealand. That is a long well-travelled route and arguably boring in large parts.

 

They also have the obligatory bikini, but no bust ups and diving. However when they make landfall not a lot of local interaction to the extent it is hard to differentiate between what they do and someone who never leaves an airport. Sure Riley fixes stuff but relies largely on a things arriving in a package and not as much ingenuity. The Vag definitely is also more look at me/us type content.

 

The Vag on the other hand have stuck largely to downhill trade wind sailing and when it ever gets above 30K the rabbit eyes appear. By comparison to Delos it will be interesting to see what happens with their numbers as their only doing a re-run of the Med this summer.

 

So why do Vag get more bucks?? All I can think is they both probably get around the same number of inspirational type followers but the Vag's numbers are topped up with more idiots with Patron addiction looking to get a return on their investment and soap opera types with little interest where they are going and what they do there.

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Spot on I would say - although you have watched more than me. It is so far from my sort of sailing that I do no more than dip in when youtube offers me the films.

 

But as a semi-retired TV bod I like to try to keep up with how things are shaping up in the market that moves at a mind bogglingly fast speed.

 

I agree about the pre-roll stuff - I think that starting a film with the same sequence is now no longer needed as most of us watch on youtube and they tell us what we are getting

 

On the long running series where there are lots of short films the opening sequences do get pretty annoying.... which is why I don't have one on my films

 

maybe that is a mistake.

 

My later films are longer

 

maybe that is a mistake

 

 

 

It has been really interesting watching the way that youtube has gone from influencing peoples viewing habits to dominating them.

 

In the early days I used youtube as a way of driving people to buying the DVDs or watching/downloading them from vimeo on my website

 

I still use and pay for vimeo hosting and those versions will get around 1000 views - compared to the 12,000 to 45,000 on youtube

 

But the power of youtube has grown as more of us watch on our smart TVs -

 

as a film maker that is wonderful because the films look and sound great on a big telly

 

More people are seeing more of my work in good quality

 

but youtube on a big telly make it really hard to choose what you watch because there is no mouse and the youtube format is designed to get you to scroll along until you click on one of the goodies it offers you

 

you can see that the traffic sources for my films below

 

most come from what youtube thinks people want to watch next

 

so people might watch one of my films and then be offered bikinis (on the basis that although you have watched a KTL film about sailing in a cold place then you must want to watch this 300,000 hit film which is also about sailing but features biklinis

 

You can see from the bottom graphic that TV watchers see more of each film (so that is a good thing)

 

the other snag with watching on a telly is that it is really hard to drive people back to the website or patreon where they can chip in

 

 

In the case of La Vag and Delos they get around 0.5 per cent of their regular viewers chipping in (and I assume Jack that you are not one of the payers - did you ever think that after spending so many hours with these people that they deserved some cash for all their work?)

 

It is a pretty funny business model where 99.5 per cent of customers never pay

 

In the case of KTL it is closer to three per cent who chip in and my guess is that my audience retention is a lot longer than the two market leaders

 

 

 

So, JS, may I ask you during your in depth study of the subject

 

How were you watching the films and how big was the influence of youtube in what you watched next?

 

Did you tube offer you lots of films from the other bikini products...... did it ever offer you sailing films from say a jowly old englishman or the rock climbers with bob, or films about gaffers or these mad bastard in holland?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dylan I'm worn out doing the comparison with those two vlogs but it helped pass the time whilst in hospital..and the day I go Patron then someone please kill me with a blunt stick. Will post a more erudite reply in a day or so to your kind and considered response. Cheers mate.

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I felt them 2 inflatable puppies last night..not bad..then Riley bursts in saying it was blowing 15.7789k and we had to put the 3rd reef in..I recall saying is that really necessary and btw we don't have a 3rd reef ..then I woke up holding an eye brush pencil the size of a broom ...i'm confused.

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Spot on I would say - although you have watched more than me. It is so far from my sort of sailing that I do no more than dip in when youtube offers me the films.

 

But as a semi-retired TV bod I like to try to keep up with how things are shaping up in the market that moves at a mind bogglingly fast speed.

 

I agree about the pre-roll stuff - I think that starting a film with the same sequence is now no longer needed as most of us watch on youtube and they tell us what we are getting

 

On the long running series where there are lots of short films the opening sequences do get pretty annoying.... which is why I don't have one on my films

 

maybe that is a mistake.

 

My later films are longer

 

maybe that is a mistake

 

 

 

It has been really interesting watching the way that youtube has gone from influencing peoples viewing habits to dominating them.

 

In the early days I used youtube as a way of driving people to buying the DVDs or watching/downloading them from vimeo on my website

 

I still use and pay for vimeo hosting and those versions will get around 1000 views - compared to the 12,000 to 45,000 on youtube

 

But the power of youtube has grown as more of us watch on our smart TVs -

 

as a film maker that is wonderful because the films look and sound great on a big telly

 

More people are seeing more of my work in good quality

 

but youtube on a big telly make it really hard to choose what you watch because there is no mouse and the youtube format is designed to get you to scroll along until you click on one of the goodies it offers you

 

you can see that the traffic sources for my films below

 

most come from what youtube thinks people want to watch next

 

so people might watch one of my films and then be offered bikinis (on the basis that although you have watched a KTL film about sailing in a cold place then you must want to watch this 300,000 hit film which is also about sailing but features biklinis

 

You can see from the bottom graphic that TV watchers see more of each film (so that is a good thing)

 

the other snag with watching on a telly is that it is really hard to drive people back to the website or patreon where they can chip in

 

 

In the case of La Vag and Delos they get around 0.5 per cent of their regular viewers chipping in (and I assume Jack that you are not one of the payers - did you ever think that after spending so many hours with these people that they deserved some cash for all their work?)

 

It is a pretty funny business model where 99.5 per cent of customers never pay

 

In the case of KTL it is closer to three per cent who chip in and my guess is that my audience retention is a lot longer than the two market leaders

 

 

 

So, JS, may I ask you during your in depth study of the subject

 

How were you watching the films and how big was the influence of youtube in what you watched next?

 

Did you tube offer you lots of films from the other bikini products...... did it ever offer you sailing films from say a jowly old englishman or the rock climbers with bob, or films about gaffers or these mad bastard in holland?

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9BqdLh8k6E

 

 

 

 

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Dylan

 

Thank you for educating me on terminology. Pre-Roll drives me nuts and when it is with a soundtrack like Delos's thoughts of euthanasia spring to mind. Your absence of pre-roll and length I prefer even if on the PC and not a big screen TV.

 

As for scrolling through both the Vag and Delos did I then think they deserved some cash for their work? The answer is no on the basis it is not a direct or indirect advert free viewing experience so I treat it a bit like Free to Air TV where simply from my viewing they were getting a some form of direct or indirect return. If the content was exceptional (Delos is getting

close in that department, the Vag not even in the hunt) and advert free I would have no problem paying, much like Pay TV experience. Your 3% chip in pay ratio for your superior content is a bit depressing.

 

Dylan I watched either on a smart phone or PC. As I was more in research not entertainment mode I didn't do a lot channel changing or taking much notice of UTube suggested viewing pop-ups but if something looked interesting I had a look. For instance this guy who not only offered up good camera work and a quirky style made me appreciate how you guys have to work a lot harder to produce good content when it is just you.

 

 

http://youtu.be/f6QYsVirDss

 

 

Dylan I didn't see yours but that is not to say it didn't pop up. The sailing content offered was wide ranging and bikini's featured heavily.

 

Keep up the good work

 

Vag maybe have reached their zenith despite the new cat and they will start seeing a slide in the numbers after an initial new boat uplift?

 

Once they finish their Med re-run this summer where do they go say in early November? While the threat of piracy in the North Indian Ocean has diminished for larger vessels due to naval forces being stationed there, it still remains a very risky proposition for smaller craft. Then there is the war in Syria and other turmoil in the eastern Med and North Africa. So going through Suez/Red Sea into the Indian Ocean is probably not on the cards.

 

They have already done the Atlantic Caribbean run so what are the alternatives to get out of Dodge before the onset of winter? The west coast of Africa south of Cape Verdes is a no go zone with small craft lying in wait to come out and plunder. Cape Verdes to South America could be an option save for Brazil now having safety and bureaucracy issues including visa renewals. However maybe as stopover and go around the Cape of Good Hope into the Indian Ocean. Could work except I'm not sure I would be going into the Roaring 40's in one of those cats.

 

It may well be another Caribbean run for them then?

 

Not sure that is going to excite anyone but their already rusted on viewers.

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and that is the gunius of youtube

 

they have successfully convinced intelligent people that the advertising revenue from the carefully targetted adverts makes any or even a significant contribution to the people who make the films

 

they have brokwn the link between creator and advertisier

 

that is a really neat trick.

 

I am full of admiration for their excessivve cleverness

 

without the other revenue streams La vag would not exist

 

sv delos appears to use real songs so they do not get the $100 per film revenue from the adverts - that goes to sony and time warner.

 

I know that some say that they they want to be killed if ever they end up as patrons but the fact is that it is the patrons who pay for this stuff to be made.

 

So I am also full of admirartion for the patrons and I am sure that the la vag patrons are happy that their money has been spent on new improved busters

 

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https://www.youtube.com/MJSailing

 

Thoughts on these guys? Traded a beautiful Sabre 34 all kitted out for cruising for two years' hard labor fixing a decrepit aluminum boat in some muggy, mosquito-infested FL boatyard and a Patreon account. Have aims to go North and sail into an iceberg or something. They routinely talk about how they "hate steering" "are bad at steering the boat" or "just can't get the hang of steering." Also includes decent amount of women and bikinis, at least from what I've seen. Someone convinced them to pay $25,000 for the boat and they've put at least another $50k into it... why? What's wrong with any of the metal boats on Sailboatlistings, or Yachtworld? $50k would get you an "okay" boat and $25k to put into making it sound enough for a jaunt up north.

 

Then again, they've taken a nearly destroyed 37' Aluminum pilothouse cruiser and totally renewed it. They both seem handy and hardworking, and have embraced the minimalist life commendably. The bikinis are clearly not their main draw nor selling point and they don't treat it that way. And their enthusiasm seems to never waver- they seem really serious about going North.

 

Thoughts- average "girl in hot place" Patreon-people or respectable sailing couple who just so happens to have a Patreon?

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11 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

The Delos crowd have some good and reasonably rare footage of Cargados Carajos Shoals where Vestas went on the bricks in last VOR

This was the first Delos I have watched for a long time..... they continue to raise their game.....

 

their camera work is excellent , the sound is flawless, each episode appears to have some sort of story

 

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50 minutes ago, psychosailing said:

I don't remember this guy making it on this thread  but I found his cinematography absolutely beautiful.

 

And the chick is stunning;

 

 

excellent - despite the picture I was still furtling round looking for a picture of a woman

damn I love this place

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I find it somewhat interesting that Guirec and Monique have two different styles of films - one more dramatic and one more comedic, though they use most of the same shots.  Deliberately aiming for different audiences?  Is it a French vs American thing?  

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17 hours ago, toddster said:

I find it somewhat interesting that Guirec and Monique have two different styles of films - one more dramatic and one more comedic, though they use most of the same shots.  Deliberately aiming for different audiences?  Is it a French vs American thing?  

Just wait until the provisions run low and he brings the horror.

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He already spent a winter with the boat frozen into the ice in some remote fjord and didn't eat the chicken.  

Whether the dog will exhibit such restraint may be the question.  

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20 hours ago, toddster said:

I find it somewhat interesting that Guirec and Monique have two different styles of films - one more dramatic and one more comedic, though they use most of the same shots.  Deliberately aiming for different audiences?  Is it a French vs American thing?  

I don't think that he's as sophisticated from a marketing point of view as La Vag or Delos. Like most Breton kids he's dreamed sailing far away and unlike most of us he's actually done it and finances it by a mix of sponsorship and hard work. He's mostly interested in the adventure and the new landscapes and shows it.

Doing the northwest passage on a boat that had to be repaired as it was rusting through in places requires a special mindset. He's selling dreams not boobs.

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It's about the sailor not the boat, I hope that the local snowflakes won't loose sleep over the lack of fairness of the hull.

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1 hour ago, HFC Hunter said:

It's not the fairness - it's that his cock is hanging out

Nicely done, but you don't get eggs from cocks. (Depending on your market). Monique is not a cock.

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1 hour ago, Ishmael said:

Nicely done, but you don't get eggs from cocks. (Depending on your market). Monique is not a cock.

Who cares, that was funny. :P

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On 08 maggio 2017 at 3:46 PM, dylan winter said:

excellent - despite the picture I was still furtling round looking for a picture of a woman

damn I love this place

I guess it became an expectation for young sailors with youtube channels... where's the chick?

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And in a way, that is the sad thing. The only people breaking even from sailing films are the plastic/real buster merchants. So any aspiring film maker who hopes to make sailing films knows that there is no need to worry about boats or locations or history or sailing ..... it is all about the size of the embonpoint.

I spent  few minutes talking on the phone to the son of a KTL follower. He is  a 20 year old film student and keen sailor. He wanted my advice about making sailing films - gear, data storage, fighting the damp. Then  we moved onto monitisation. The only advice I could give im was to either look elsewhere for a subject or get a good looking girlfiend who is prepared to wave her tush in front of his camera and take her somewhere hot.  I also had to advise him that the market for marine tush wagglers is now pretty crowded with talented film makers.

Dylan

PS lads - as an aside and as an old hack.....,  watching Mercan news in the mornning on my laptop with my coffee is like seeing a much loved friend slowly succumbe to dementia - my sympathy goes out to those in your great Nation  who are still rational.

 

 

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40 minutes ago, dylan winter said:

PS lads - as an aside and as an old hack.....,  watching Mercan news in the mornning on my laptop with my coffee is like seeing a much loved friend slowly succumbe to dementia - my sympathy goes out to those in your great Nation  who are still rational.

 

Sadly that's not a "privilege" left to our leftpondian friends, I feel the same when I watch British news and Francophiles around the world must feel the same when they watch ours.

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14 hours ago, dylan winter said:

And in a way, that is the sad thing. The only people breaking even from sailing films are the plastic/real buster merchants. So any aspiring film maker who hopes to make sailing films knows that there is no need to worry about boats or locations or history or sailing ..... it is all about the size of the embonpoint.

I spent  few minutes talking on the phone to the son of a KTL follower. He is  a 20 year old film student and keen sailor. He wanted my advice about making sailing films - gear, data storage, fighting the damp. Then  we moved onto monitisation. The only advice I could give im was to either look elsewhere for a subject or get a good looking girlfiend who is prepared to wave her tush in front of his camera and take her somewhere hot.  I also had to advise him that the market for marine tush wagglers is now pretty crowded with talented film makers.

Dylan

PS lads - as an aside and as an old hack.....,  watching Mercan news in the mornning on my laptop with my coffee is like seeing a much loved friend slowly succumbe to dementia - my sympathy goes out to those in your great Nation  who are still rational.

 

 

It is a common theme. Commerce sells crappy flashy shallow goods, especially when it comes to art. If you look at pure sales (best sellers, blockbusters, youtube views), the shallower, easier, more pleasant wins. Quality sell less at a higher price because it finds a niche, or it doesn't survive the chipper.

Sorry, I know this is simplistic and depressing but it's how I see cultural product in general... my own 2 cents of Venezuela Bolivar. Less than crap.

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On 5/7/2017 at 3:17 PM, jack_sparrow said:

The Delos crowd have some good and reasonably rare footage of Cargados Carajos Shoals where Vestas went on the bricks in last VOR

Is that a Brentboat bouncing on the shoals in the background?

Sorry about that.  Would be rare footage, indeed.

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I sail and have a decent 35 foot boat to do so in. I like sailing videos. Delos make me want to burn my boat to the waterline. Flashing women flesh so they get YT views and then some prick gives them a boat to sail further and show more flesh. All the while eating veges and doing yoga and shit? FFS, my wife watches that shit and then looks at me and wonders why we are not doing it. 

I eat steak, drink beer and smoke 25 a day. I like to sail in cold environments. 

These Delos bastards are making sailing beautiful. It's not. 

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While appreciated there is a lot of drama getting a new rig going the Vag are doing their financial supporters no favours with this extended pause...they need to get cracking as there are many out there wanting to take the supporter mantle from them (Delos in particular) and the marketing rule is its hard work to get a financial follower...but 20 times harder to get them back if they fall off the wagon....so there is a lot of pressure on their plan inc them new blow ups to turn that around when spending another summer in the Med, which is less than inspirational for some followers.

They better be good and pointy...they got some new boat ownership/finance/third party payback bills to pay now. Will be interesting to watch how they do it.

I might be wrong but I think there is a train smash about to unfold during the balance of this year in their revenue department. That means it won't become apparent until next year so that is when they need to have a whole new excitement thing happening. If not they are buggered IMHO and will be handing back the cat. I know a brave call...but one only entertainment /financial based not about them and or the genre which I make no apologies about for not being particularly enamoured with.

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When we were discussing their Patreon pages, I browsed through their "goals" on the left-hand side.  La Vag seems to just be rolling with the flow.  Delos has some up-stream goals, along the line of buying/building a bigger boat and taking expedition charters.  Maybe becoming the next Jaques Cousteau.*  Possibly thinking, "Wow, the circumnavigation is going to be over pretty soon... then what?"  

 

 

 

*Well darn it, that's what I was going to do...  But maybe with some Mike Nelson and Mr. Spock mixed in.  Not sure what happened... today I'm digging a utility trench.  No video.  It is a very nice trench though.  Requires frequent rest breaks.  

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23 minutes ago, savoir said:

I reckon she has been reading CA and decided to drive us all crazy with outfits like this.

 

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She should be fondling a map of Cape Horn, like Rimas.

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Fuck this gets more bizzare by the moment. Australian State Government tourism agency pays their way to do a quick trip back home to do a boat tour Whitsunday Islands promotion thing ....

 

..meantime investment advisors are spruiking them as an example when selling their wares

I might have to take it back ... they're looking like a money pit...still no reveal of the twins yet though.

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So La Vag has a big revenue stream ,and now has an expensive boat with some sort of generous financing.  And top it all, they are making a promo film for a govt agency.

Their profile is high enough that their is extending beyond Youtube land, into becoming minor celebrities.

That sounds to me like the sort of situation where some people will think them too big for their boots.  And when that happens, there's often a market for gossip which does people down.

These two are young, and come across as a little naive.  That's part of their attraction, but it is also a vulnerability.  I hope they have some wise friends to turn to if they shit hits the fan

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1 hour ago, Dilligaf0220 said:

  Should be pointed out that La Vag AND Delos are still sporting hefty boat mortgages, so not quite "given" a boat. 

My old dad was very supportive of his four sons sailing but if he thought that any of us borrowed money to buy a boat he would have gone bloody bonkers

but I admire the focus and drive of the two market leaders

it is amazing that we know so much about these sailing voyagers.

Dylan

 

PS I thought the thread about plastic in tthe ocean was about La Vags new  busters

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3 hours ago, dylan winter said:

My old dad was very supportive of his four sons sailing but if he thought that any of us borrowed money to buy a boat he would have gone bloody bonkers

but I admire the focus and drive of the two market leaders

it is amazing that we know so much about these sailing voyagers.

Dylan

 

PS I thought the thread about plastic in tthe ocean was about La Vags new  busters

Delos has been pretty open over the years with regards to their boat finances.  Remember originally the older brother bought the Amel to liveaboard and then cruise for however long the kitty lasted, then worked his Microsoft contract job remotely from Australia with trips back home during typhoon season.  Youtube money & then Patreon extended that to cruising & video making full time, but originally their boat was their home, and the original nut  from going on 6 six years still hasn't been paid off.

La Vag is going the same route, presumably with a boat loan from their historical social media earnings backed up with some guarantee from Outremer who is building a boat at reduced cost.

But neither was given a boat or "cruising for free".

 

And the mustachioed La Vag half isn't that young, he's around in his mid-30's and had saved up enough cash to buy their old boat outright from fairly lucrative offshore oil & gas jobs.  I've never met too many roughnecks that I'd call "naive".

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