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I would be all in for spending $5.7 billion on building a wall in the US...   between church and state.    That would do a helluva lot more to keep us safe than the Trump Maginot L

It's troubling that you support Milo being able to go where ever he wants but don't want hard working immigrants looking for a better life into our country. If these folks were trying to get into

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1 minute ago, Dog said:

Not if it requires agreeing with Trump.

bullshit. Just 4 weeks ago they agreed. It was Trump who reneged after Coulter cut his balls off.

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3 minutes ago, Dog said:

Not if it requires agreeing with Trump.

bullshit. Just 4 weeks ago they agreed. It was Trump who reneged after Coulter cut his balls off.

The President is just abiding by Stephen Miller’s pronouncement about how his powers shall not be questioned. 

Ann knows how to get President Trump to do her bidding. Question his manhood and/or his fitness to lead. 

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10 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

bullshit. Just 4 weeks ago they agreed. It was Trump who reneged after Coulter cut his balls off.

That was just in the real world, when they took a vote to determine their positions.  It doesn't mean that was their position once a bullshitter starts bullshitting.  

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7 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

The President is just abiding by Stephen Miller’s pronouncement about how his powers shall not be questioned. 

Ann knows how to get President Trump to do her bidding. Question his manhood and/or his fitness to lead. 

Her balls are bigger than his

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https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail

American voters support 63 - 30 percent a Democratic proposal to reopen parts of the government that do not involve border security while negotiating funding for the Wall, according to a Quinnipiac University National Poll released today. Every party, gender, education, age and racial group supports this idea except Republicans, who are opposed 52 - 39 percent. 

Voters oppose 63 - 32 percent shutting down the government to force funding for the Wall, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University National Poll finds. Again, Republicans are the only listed group supporting the shutdown, 67 - 24 percent. 

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1 hour ago, Sean said:

 Again, Republicans are the only listed group supporting the shutdown, 67 - 24 percent. 

Well of course - it's their boy doing it and he told them it's critical so.......

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4 hours ago, Raz'r said:
4 hours ago, Dog said:

Not if it requires agreeing with Trump.

bullshit. Just 4 weeks ago they agreed. It was Trump who reneged after Coulter cut his balls off.

The President is just abiding by Stephen Miller’s pronouncement about how his powers shall not be questioned. 

Ann knows how to get President Trump to do her bidding. Question his manhood and/or his fitness to lead. 

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1 hour ago, Sean said:

 

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail

American voters support 63 - 30 percent a Democratic proposal to reopen parts of the government that do not involve border security while negotiating funding for the Wall, according to a Quinnipiac University National Poll released today. Every party, gender, education, age and racial group supports this idea except Republicans, who are opposed 52 - 39 percent. 

Voters oppose 63 - 32 percent shutting down the government to force funding for the Wall, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University National Poll finds. Again, Republicans are the only listed group supporting the shutdown, 67 - 24 percent. 

This is where the Faithful tell us polls don’t matter. 

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Trump declares there is 'no substitute' for a wall, shutdown drags on

Yup, it's all the Democrats fault because Trump refuses to budge from a wall he didn't get from his own party. :rolleyes: 

At least the polls are proving the adage about fooling some of the people all of the time but not all of the people all of the time. Outside the rusted on base of Happy Jacks and loyal lap Dogs - Trump's lost the support of the people on this front. Like the Jacks & Dogs, that won't mean he'll back down, only that it's going to get even stupider moving forward.

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To be fair Trump is at his policy limit with "wall", he successfully managed "tax" which is challenging like "kat" and "hat" or even "sex" but not impossible. However Putin really really struggled to teach him "wall"  being 4 letters or (technically 3 letters), it was quite an ask but "wall" is like "war" which is the sound he makes when Vlad bothers with a reach around. Donny loves that sound (and the feeling of russan jizz rolling down his butt cheeks). God bless America

 

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4 hours ago, Bus Driver said:
5 hours ago, Sean said:

 

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail

American voters support 63 - 30 percent a Democratic proposal to reopen parts of the government that do not involve border security while negotiating funding for the Wall, according to a Quinnipiac University National Poll released today. Every party, gender, education, age and racial group supports this idea except Republicans, who are opposed 52 - 39 percent. 

Voters oppose 63 - 32 percent shutting down the government to force funding for the Wall, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University National Poll finds. Again, Republicans are the only listed group supporting the shutdown, 67 - 24 percent. 

This is where the Faithful tell us polls don’t matter. 

I thought the general support/approval among Republicans for all things Trumpish was >80% so that means he's lost a lot of them over this issue.

-DSK

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They were against it before they were for it.

Why the change of heart?

As recently as January 4, this is the stance of the union representing Border Patrol agents -

Below is the whole section on “border fences and walls,” as preserved on the Internet Archive before it was scrubbed sometime after the union president, Brandon Judd, visited the White House. The union is known as the NBPC, or the National Border Patrol Council. NBPS stands for National Border Patrol Strategy; the union argues that the overarching strategy needs to change. The archived website says:

The NBPC disagrees with wasting taxpayer money on building fences and walls along the border as a means of curtailing illegal entries into the United States. However, as long as we continue to operate under the current NBPS and ignore the problem that is causing illegal immigration, we realize fences and walls are essential.

  • Walls and fences are temporary solutions that focus on the symptom (illegal immigration) rather than the problem (employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens).

  • Walls and fences are only a speed bump. People who want to come to the United States to obtain employment will continue to go over, under, and around the walls and fences that are constructed.

  • Walls and fences will undoubtedly result in an increase in fraudulent documents and smuggling through the Ports of Entry.

  • Walls and fences do not solve the issue of people entering the country legally and staying beyond the date they are required to leave the country, a problem which will undoubtedly increase as more walls and fences are constructed.

  • The NBPC position regarding walls and fences is not due to a concern of losing our jobs if fences and walls are built. On the contrary, the NBPC realizes that walls and fences require just as much manpower to protect them. Border Patrol Agents witness what happens to walls and fences when there are not enough Border Patrol agents to protect them.

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9 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Shutdown will cost twice as much as estimated earlier. Quiet days on the Fiscal Responsibility Express. I wish those Mexican folks would hurry up and pay for the wall. 

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/425366-trump-admin-estimates-shutdown-will-cost-twice-as-much-as-it-originally

JPM CEO said today GDP could ne negative for Q1....

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So some R's in Montana and West Virginia are pushing for Trumps wall.

Alex, I'll take "two states that think Taco Bell is Mexican food" for $600

edit: Is anyone else seeing ads for Trumps wall? Every Youtube has one as well as several other sites.  So much for Google analytics working.

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Build a wall and make Virginians (and Montanians) pay for it.. :) 

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/15/politics/gop-state-lawmakers-trump-border-wall/index.html

 

A Republican Montana state senator and Republican delegates from West Virginia plan to introduce measures to allocate state funds to help build President Donald Trump's proposed wall along the southern US border.

Republican Montana state Sen. Scott Sales confirmed to CNN on Tuesday that he will propose a bill that would allocate $8 million in state funds to help build Trump's border wall.
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It's so much BS.

Now, ATC is facing shutdown. SNAP is about ready to run out of money. Tax return? Good luck. Folks that actually protect our country? They're running out of money too.

All for a stupid wall that will have no effect. A wall...Seriously, we have technology that can be deployed (motion sensors anyone?) and hire some additional border patrol people more cheaply and it would actually be effective.

This is just so stupid. I'm not even convinced there's a problem as it is. I have had property in Tubac, AZ for 26 years. Guess how many issues there have been? Sure, some garbage gets left behind (which is no different than seeing bear scat in the woods) and there are checks on the highway to Tucson which take 2 minutes of my time. Whatever.

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5 minutes ago, austin1972 said:

It's so much BS.

Now, ATC is facing shutdown. SNAP is about ready to run out of money. Tax return? Good luck. Folks that actually protect our country? They're running out of money too.

All for a stupid wall that will have no effect. A wall...Seriously, we have technology that can be deployed (motion sensors anyone?) and hire some additional border patrol people more cheaply and it would actually be effective.

This is just so stupid. I'm not even convinced there's a problem as it is. I have had property in Tubac, AZ for 26 years. Guess how many issues there have been? Sure, some garbage gets left behind (which is no different than seeing bear scat in the woods) and there are checks on the highway to Tucson which take 2 minutes of my time. Whatever.

But theres 800 miles of successful walls been built in Europe..Successful walls!!!

Um..what does an unsuccessful wall look like?:ask:

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There are now 77 major or significant Walls built around the world, with 45 countries planning or building Walls. Over 800 miles of Walls have been built in Europe since only 2015. They have all been recognized as close to 100% successful.

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9 minutes ago, austin1972 said:

It's so much BS.

Now, ATC is facing shutdown. SNAP is about ready to run out of money. Tax return? Good luck. Folks that actually protect our country? They're running out of money too.

All for a stupid wall that will have no effect. A wall...Seriously, we have technology that can be deployed (motion sensors anyone?) and hire some additional border patrol people more cheaply and it would actually be effective.

This is just so stupid. I'm not even convinced there's a problem as it is. I have had property in Tubac, AZ for 26 years. Guess how many issues there have been? Sure, some garbage gets left behind (which is no different than seeing bear scat in the woods) and there are checks on the highway to Tucson which take 2 minutes of my time. Whatever.

Who leaves garbage on your land?

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Illegals. I've hiked that area a lot and figure if they want in that bad, have at it. It's tough terrain as they come through Ruby and head for the tracks on the other side of the golf course to follow it north. They don't hurt anybody, even though that's the narrative.

There's a witch that lives close by and she has all sorts of warnings/hexes up. They heed it. Kinda cool.

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34 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

Build a wall and make Virginians (and Montanians) pay for it.. :) 

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/15/politics/gop-state-lawmakers-trump-border-wall/index.html

 

A Republican Montana state senator and Republican delegates from West Virginia plan to introduce measures to allocate state funds to help build President Donald Trump's proposed wall along the southern US border.

Republican Montana state Sen. Scott Sales confirmed to CNN on Tuesday that he will propose a bill that would allocate $8 million in state funds to help build Trump's border wall.

Montana has miles of virtually undefended border. And wall building jobs to hand out.

Not sure why West Virginia might need a wall. Neighboring states demanding it maybe?

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1 minute ago, dogballs Tom said:

Montana has miles of virtually undefended border. And wall building jobs to hand out.

Not sure why West Virginia might need a wall. Neighboring states demanding it maybe?

Montana has beautiful fencing for their cattle grazing lands. When I drove through, I was floored at how nice the fencing was. The cost would be crazy and how could the ranchers afford them? Turns out, the BLM supplies them.

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42 minutes ago, austin1972 said:

It's so much BS.

Now, ATC is facing shutdown. SNAP is about ready to run out of money. Tax return? Good luck. Folks that actually protect our country? They're running out of money too.

 

You must be magic..They've just ordered 36,000 furloughed tax employees to return to work..unpaid.

This is how riots start.

One of the notable recent elements of this partial government shutdown -- the longest in history -- is that the Trump administration keeps designating more and more of the federal government essential, or excepted from the furlough, ordering many thousands of workers back to the office to process tax returns, perform safety inspections and more -- all without pay.

The practical effect is that more government workers will be doing their jobs without their paychecks, but it will also work to mute the impact of the shutdown in the everyday lives of Americans who aren't directly touched by the shutdown.

The largest and most incredible of the switches from furloughed to essential is that the Internal Revenue Service will officially be recalling tens of thousands of workers -- 36,000 of them -- to process tax filings and refunds. The move runs afoul of previous guidance but will be welcome news to Americans who rely on refunds. Less so for the IRS workers forced to work without pay if the shutdown carries forward. That means well more than half the IRS workforce -- 57% -- will be working despite the shutdown.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/16/politics/trump-workers-essential-furlough/index.html

 

 

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26 minutes ago, austin1972 said:

Montana has beautiful fencing for their cattle grazing lands. When I drove through, I was floored at how nice the fencing was. The cost would be crazy and how could the ranchers afford them? Turns out, the BLM supplies them.

We owned some land in central FL and leased it to a rancher. Fences were his problem. I guess if they failed it would quickly be a problem for the melon farmer who leased the other piece. Do cows like melons?

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14 minutes ago, austin1972 said:

I dunno! I should find out. They do love beer.

I was asking to be funny. A friend of mine feeds watermelons that would otherwise go to waste to his cows and pigs and they love them. He's come by and offered me some to use as targets. A .50 cal makes them explode in a most satisfactory manner.

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1 hour ago, dogballs Tom said:

I was asking to be funny. A friend of mine feeds watermelons that would otherwise go to waste to his cows and pigs and they love them. He's come by and offered me some to use as targets. A .50 cal makes them explode in a most satisfactory manner.

The cows, pigs or melons?

After Halloween, I take my pumpkins and stuff them with Tannerite. It's a fun mess with a .308.

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On 1/11/2019 at 5:22 PM, Left Shift said:

I'm gonna buy some SawZall stock. 

Or maybe get a concession leasing Milwaukee angle grinders and Honda Generators for Sonara and Chihuahua.  

 

They said the was done with a hand saw!!!

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Great news.  We don’t need a wall along the Mexican boarder.   Since illegal immigrants are a national emergency (per Trump) we need to address the biggest leak immediately.   We need impenetrable walls around  all 102 international airports in the United States.      Not only will we save on concrete, but the ground is usually flat around airports.  There are roads and truck stops, speeding construction,    We can even postpone those currently only having international cargo flights.   Wall off Detroit, Atlanta, New York, Chicago, Denver, Miami, San Francisco, and Los Angeles airports tomorrow.    Nobody gets in or out.   Reopen government the next day.  https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/686056668/for-seventh-consecutive-year-visa-overstays-exceeded-illegal-border-crossings

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25 minutes ago, d'ranger said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46824649

Warning: Do you open this link if you love Trump and his wall.  Don't bitch to me if you do and then get your panties in a twist.

In case he decides to wallow in his ignorance by avoiding the link you provided - 

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Then again, what would those schmucks at DHS know?

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Most of those Canuckiststanis are 70+ and have homes in Florida and Arizona. They are a bad bunch spending their pension cheques in the US and driving and golfing badly. My father was one in Lakeland for years. Doubt his Shriner buddies knew he was an illegal, passed for an American pretty well. Interestingly he got health care at the local VA hospital as a result of some sort of reciprocity with Veterans Affairs in Canada

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3 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Maybe NOW they'll send us that cheque for our wall.

I don't think we should build a wall. A hedge would be much more polite and beautiful if we kept it trimmed. After all Trump values beautiful barriers.

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3 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

I'm sure Trump knows better than mere engineers. He has a big brain.

 

He does indeed have a large brain!  Unfortunately, it is only full of hot air and bullshit, and lie, thousands of bald faced lies, in the 2 years he has soiled the Oval office.....

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I like the idea of small drones picking people up and dropping them off..... I'm thinking a trip to the grocery store, not a quick ride across the border, but...... It has real commercial potential.

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Walls are already proven not to work in field tests.  But bullshit sells where people are immune to the odor.  Flyover country.  

This is hilarious:

Trump says San Antonio shows border walls works, despite city being 150 miles from border and having no wall

 The Independent Sun, Jan 20 7:56 AM PST 

Donald Trump has cited San Antonio as proof that border walls make the US safer, despite the Texas city not having a border wall and being 150 miles from Mexico.

“Everyone knows that walls work,” claimed the president as he addressed reporters outside the White House. “You look at different places, they put up a wall, no problem.

“You look at San Antonio, you look at so many different places; they go from one of the most unsafe cities in the country to one of the safest cities, immediately, immediately. It works. We have to put them up, and we will put them up. We've got to."

Mr Trump’s comments on Saturday were intended to justify his demand for $5.7bn to fund a US-Mexico border wall.

The president may have intended to refer to El Paso, a Texas border city he used as an example in a similar anecdote last week.

“El Paso… was one of the most dangerous cities in the country,” Mr Trump claimed during a 14 January speech in New Orleans. “A wall was put up. It went from being one of the most dangerous cities in the country to one of the safest cities in the country overnight.”

The president’s depiction of El Paso’s transformation is also inaccurate, however.

The city has never been “one of the most dangerous” in the US and already had one of the lowest crime rates among the country’s largest urban areas before construction of a 57-mile border fence began in 2008.

El Paso’s violent crime rate was also lower in each of the three years before the fence was built than in each of the three years after it was finished, according to the Annenberg Public Policy Centre’s fact-checking website.

Mr Trump’s reference to San Antonio’s non-existent wall came before a live televised address in which he offered expanded protections for some undocumented immigrants as a concession to Democrats in return for the $5.6bn.

House speaker Nancy Pelosi and the Democrat Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer rejected the proposed trade-off, which the president had hoped could bring an end to a month-long federal government shutdown.

Ms Pelosi dismissed the offer as “a compilation of several previously rejected initiatives, each of which is unacceptable and in total, do not represent a good faith effort to restore certainty to people’s lives”.

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1 minute ago, Olsonist said:

Apropos pointless walls, Shitstain and his elk on the Court are  protecting us from transgenders protecting us.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/22/us/politics/supreme-court-transgender-military.html

President Trump would rather not be faced with the reality of transgender folks willing to serve, when he was sidelined with his crippling bone spurs.

Can't let that happen.

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1 hour ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

I would be all in for spending $5.7 billion on building a wall in the US...

 

between church and state. 

 

That would do a helluva lot more to keep us safe than the Trump Maginot Line. 

I thought there was something about that in some piece of paper some guys wrote.

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1 minute ago, Raz'r said:

Interesting tidbit heard today. Guess what stops the most drugs coming over the border? The service that is shutdown. Our coasties.

Our Beautiful President prays that you become quiet, so attention on the land locked tactic is not diluted.  

Frigates!

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2 minutes ago, Amati said:

Our Beautiful President prays that you become quiet, so attention on the land locked tactic is not diluted.  

Frigates!

Land Frigates!

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"We'll wheelhaul those pesky Mexicans matey!"

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1 hour ago, bhyde said:

Migrant caravan vessels seized by Coast Guard attempting to cross the border near El Llanto.

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Just waiting for fake rising sea levels.........patient, those illegal aliens........good thing the government shutdown is happening now, before the action really starts...........and as you know, you agree............

 

 

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3 hours ago, Raz'r said:

Interesting tidbit heard today. Guess what stops the most drugs coming over the border? The service that is shutdown. Our coasties.

The correct answer is and has been nothing.

Most drugs are not caught at all. Even those charged with doing it admit this.

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9 hours ago, dogballs Tom said:

The correct answer is and has been nothing.

Most drugs are not caught at all. Even those charged with doing it admit this.

Pedantic Asshole score of 10!

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11 hours ago, dogballs Tom said:
14 hours ago, Raz'r said:

Interesting tidbit heard today. Guess what stops the most drugs coming over the border? The service that is shutdown. Our coasties.

The correct answer is and has been nothing.

Most drugs are not caught at all. Even those charged with doing it admit this.

If that post read "Guess what stops MOST OF the drugs....." you might have a point.

When comparing the methods/entities that DID stop drugs from being brought in, which method/entity stopped the most?

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13 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

If that post read "Guess what stops MOST OF the drugs....." you might have a point.

When comparing the methods/entities that DID stop drugs from being brought in, which method/entity stopped the most?

Hence his high-score for the WIN!

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The State of the Union is not planned now. What I said to the President is when the government is open we will discuss a mutually agreeable date, and I’ll look forward to doing that and welcoming the President to the House of Representatives for the State of the Union when we agree on that.

Speaker Pelosi

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/25/politics/pelosi-state-of-the-union-date/index.html

Brutal.

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1 minute ago, Fakenews said:

$5B for mines. Will surely solve that problem.

Stupid idea.  You close the corridors down, they expand, then you eventually have mined the coastline.  Hopefully that was just a tongue-in-cheek comment.  .

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22 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:

Stupid idea.  You close the corridors down, they expand, then you eventually have mined the coastline.  Hopefully that was just a tongue-in-cheek comment.  .

Really, did that need a sarcasm font?

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