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So I bought her. No real issues, other than a easily repairable crack from sitting on the trailer for so long, and it all needs re-assembling or bits replacing - she's not been in the water for a long

Thread drift is one of Cruising Anarchy tradition's, dating back at least to the year 537 AD when a discussion about St Brenan's planned trip to America meandered through a heated debate about the fis

Not sure if bad form to quote ones self but that was me back on June 17th just before my trip to Florida. When I got back I did manage to take a trip to Albany to take a look at this boat and

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11 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Uhhhh... guys - if you look close, I believe that's $600 for a three hour tour.

Well that's not nearly as amusing.

Do you think he'd take $1000 for the boat?

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On 6/17/2020 at 1:25 AM, paps49 said:

Kevlar is a biatch to bond, hense it's fall from grace. It pretty much repels everything.  If you stress test any laminate that includes kevlar that's where it will de-laminate every time. I  know of one that delaminated  in a female mold just due to a very clumsy rolling over process.

The very worst thing about Kevlar: it absorbs water aggressively. So paint damage can lead to the entire structure absorbing water, breaking the bonds at the molecular level, resulting in no structure whatsoever. 

https://www.proboat.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/cindarellarepairs126low.pdf

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On 6/22/2020 at 10:39 AM, Maxx Baqustae said:

Found this from my files now. This was when it was in Surrey by the Sea (Nanaimo) being used as a liveaboard I think.  A whole a lot crap on it but has been a little"unphuqued" now. I didn't believe it when I saw it. Nice treatment for the dodger! 

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You nailed it with those photos.  I don't know if the photos in the ad were taken when the current owner bought her or if they are current.

But I saw her in Nanaimo in the winter of 2018 and she looked pretty much exactly like the photos you posted.  Didn't know whether to laugh, cry, or throw up.  If you look look closely, you can see Home Depot 2x4 "bulwarks" nailed, screwed, or glued (I can't remember which) to the deck inside the toe rails IIRC.

But to illustrate how little old IOR boats can be bought for - Mad Max sold last year and was advertised at CAD 10k.  And she was pretty immaculate and had a new engine/saildrive installed a year before.  Would be a handful to sail for anyone with cruising or even beer can racing aspirations.  I thought about making an offer for her - for about 5 seconds.  Way too much hassle owning a boat like that.

But for someone with some hotshot dinghy sailor friends she could have been a great buy.  Race her for a year or two with little or no maintenance expenditures.  Then part her out or send her to the landfill once things start falling apart.  Or find someone like the guy who bought Kelea and turn her into a roomy and inexpensive "blank canvas" liveaboard.MKPhoto-0589.jpg

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On 7/8/2020 at 12:37 PM, Hukilau said:

Well that's not nearly as amusing.

how much did ginger and mary anne pay for a three hour tour,  ended up being a 15 year vacation...  might be fun  depends on who you get stuck with...

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2 hours ago, Prairie Boater said:

She's a beauty.  But the boat hasn't been in the water for 10 years.  For a wooden boat, that can be a killer.  

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On 7/29/2020 at 4:35 AM, Hukilau said:

She's a beauty.  But the boat hasn't been in the water for 10 years.  For a wooden boat, that can be a killer.  

Looks like wood epoxy but yeah if it's trad lapstrake you might have to pickle it for a bit.

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1 hour ago, mcsailor0303 said:

This looks like a lot of boat for the money... https://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/87395

For all the features they list in the ad, and as nice as that boat looks otherwise, they're awfully terse about the engine. It's a Westerbeke 21 HP... okay, what's the model, hour count, and condition? Why no pictures?

 

My automatic guess in these situations is that it's a rustball original to the boat with 5000+ hours and terrible access to filters and dipsticks. I always hope to be proven otherwise!

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2 hours ago, mcsailor0303 said:

This looks like a lot of boat for the money... https://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/87395

I looked into these a bit when I was boat searching a while back. Some of these had extensive wet core issues and were priced accordingly. The ad doesn't say anything, but I wonder if that is why the price seems so low. Otherwise, the boat looks great in the pictures.  

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1 hour ago, feist said:

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2005/koopmans-center-board-cutter-rigged-3700720/

Impressively outfitted boat for the money. Things get a bit mock worthy with the weight... If it was 12,000lbs lighter I'd be selling up and sailing away. 

 

"built in the Netherlands and the hull was shipped to New Zealand to be finished"

that doesn't sound like great project mgmt but what do I know.

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14 hours ago, steele said:

Posted because I recall a fellow anarchist looking for a decent midsize boat on a trailer, S2s shoud be  better than average.

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/boa/d/bainbridge-island-1980-s2-80b-sailboat/7174259481.html

I contacted the seller about headroom, just a bit cramped. It does look like a very nice boat but I think 20K is pricey for a 40 year old 26 foot boat. Regardless of the investment.

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Saw this pop up yesterday

https://pensacola.craigslist.org/boa/d/pensacola-2-92a/7188043103.html

$3,950

S2 (Made in Wisconsin, USA) 9.2A (29'11'') Cruiser... purchased in 2013 from 3rd owner who sailed her to the Bahamas annually for years, Thought we'd sold it, potential owner left this realm. Boat is currently in Shalimar.
Engine is inop. Sounds like the flywheel has come loose and starter engages it but it is the only thing that turns... and bangs around inside. Yanmar 2GM maybe rebuidable.
The sails and rigging are decent, the hull is good. I have pulled and cleaned the cushions. Decent Raymarine Chartplotter and Auto Pilot. Depth Finder / Fish Finder work. ICOM VHF. needs new Mic. Needs bottom job and more clean up. Available to first reasonable offer as is, where is. Which is in a full service Marina.

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On 8/28/2020 at 6:54 PM, steele said:

Posted because I recall a fellow anarchist looking for a decent midsize boat on a trailer, S2s shoud be  better than average.

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/boa/d/bainbridge-island-1980-s2-80b-sailboat/7174259481.html

I looked at one of those a decade ago, and I liked it a lot. About the only reason I didn't buy it was it had an OB which was heavy and awkward to raise and lower, plus I was tired of the issues of having the OB on the transom, i.e. not good in waves. I never expected to cruise, so I didn't put much weight on issues like headroom. 

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This could be an expensive free boat, but the price is right. https://www.usedvictoria.com/classified-ad/FREE-Ranger-26-Sailboat_36499067

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Hull and deck complete
Rig complete

New high-end foam mattresses, little used
New setee cushions, little used

Complete sail inventory, in workable condition
- 1 older conventional mainsail
- 1 newer fully battened mainsail
- 1 jib
- 2 genoas
- 1 spinaker

This boat is not as nice and clean as shown in pictures. It will need a haulout and thorough cleaning, inside and out.
Ground tackle: 2 anchors, 1 with chain

Needs an outboard motor

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Wasn't sure where to put this...  or even if I should.   But too good to pass up.   What a gem!

 

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https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2753391541647627

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Only one owner. Fred Possibly needs a few upgrades. In original condition and it runs.

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The Thornton Yachts link only hooks up to an add for the 83-foot version, though they are asking considerably more than $1

Looks to be the same boat to me, but without the models...

"Thornton Yachts Inc. based in Newport Beach with various yard in southern California has a long history dating back to Lancer Yacht Corporation, based in Irvine California. The company abandoned smaller cruising yachts and now makes only luxury cruising, super, and mega yachts."

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40 minutes ago, toddster said:

The Thornton Yachts link only hooks up to an add for the 83-foot version, though they are asking considerably more than $1

Looks to be the same boat to me, but without the models...

"Thornton Yachts Inc. based in Newport Beach with various yard in southern California has a long history dating back to Lancer Yacht Corporation, based in Irvine California. The company abandoned smaller cruising yachts and now makes only luxury cruising, super, and mega yachts."

Nice find. I guess it will sell somewhere in between...

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5 hours ago, Future MOB said:

Not sure if this should be here, or in "mocking". Any idea what this is?

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/boa/d/torrance-large-sailboat/7205691657.html

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With that Jungle Gym behind the cockpit it's probably intended for people with small kids.

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8 hours ago, Matagi said:

For sale in Sweden, 120,000.

SEK, that is.

Very intriguing.

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https://www.blocket.se/annons/jonkoping/cr_7a_wonitopa/90438226

The listing pics show two things I’ve never seen before.  A boom gallows frame suspended between the two running back stays.  An innovative dodger extension.  Of course, I’m not too keen on running back stays in principle.  Nor would I be particularly pleased with using the center of my jib sheet winches to support that dodger extension, but creative nonetheless.

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37 minutes ago, Hukilau said:

That's a lotta boat for 65K

There's an old thread on SA about that boat. Guy did some cool work on it, including that traveler bridge.

I wish it had been for sale when I was looking. 

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This ad seems poised on the cusp between mocking and not mocking. Some intrepid spirit took it to the limits of the frigid North...trailing a line. The boat is listed with all the gear for long passages, and someone has made the effort to modify it with electric propulsion for getting in and out of port. On the other hand, the head looks like a johnny-house and the sink has no water.  But I believe there is some underlying charm to this boat. Some rugged soul could love it. A bit of bilgekote in places inside would certainly brighten it up too.

https://eastnc.craigslist.org/boa/d/new-bern-rawson-30/7209447474.html

Rawson 30 - $10,000 (New Bern)

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1 hour ago, bmiller said:

Not CL but I like the honesty of the second paragraph in the description.

https://au.yachtworld.com/boats/1975/hallberg-rassy-31-3567470/

Older HR's are very slow, but great pocket cruisers. I helped a friend sea-trial an HR28 in Holland that he now cruises around the Baltic and North Sea. Perfect for him and his young family.  Not sure I'd own one on the Columbia River...

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That one right person is going to get what appears to be a hell of a deal here.

They just dropped it from $199 to $119. I see this thing nearly every day and have never seen any sign of any interest in it. It is starting to show neglect - rust streaks etc. but from what I understand it's in pretty solid shape - some old guy was redoing it and got too old.

I suspect a middling high 5 figure offer would pick it up.

Then just paint the whole giant MoFo to get started.

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https://au.yachtworld.com/boats/1966/rhodes-audacious-motorsailer-3543901/

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And here is Reuel Parker’s latest, his Deadrise Yacht. I motored around it when it was in our bay this past spring on its way north to Maine for the summer. A very unique yacht to say the least

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7 minutes ago, Sail4beer said:

And here is Reuel Parker’s latest, his Deadrise Yacht. I motored around it when it was in our bay this past spring on its way north to Maine for the summer. A very unique yacht to say the least

Didn't he just finish building that? I thought the plan was for that to be his liveaboard...

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I didn’t get a chance to meet him and ask about the particulars of the boat, however, he seems to enjoy the hunt more than the kill. I suppose he has some new awesome project that he’s neck deep into already...he makes me look like a lazy dog 

His dinghies are impressive as well, they are not included in the sale

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5 hours ago, bmiller said:

Here's another for the right person boat. The benefit of this project is it's only 15% un-completed, as opposed to the usual 85% complete.

https://miami.craigslist.org/brw/boa/d/pompano-beach-creekmore-cc-cutter-semi/7232031032.html

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That looks like it really is 85% (or more) complete.

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This looks like a sweet deal. Known as one of C&C's best - the 43's came out of the custom shop IIRC.

I seem to recall we had a friend right here who restored one and was only asking $300K or so for it.

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https://vancouver.craigslist.org/nvn/boa/d/west-vancouver-north-1981-cc-43-custom/7242942291.html

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13 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

This looks like a sweet deal. Known as one of C&C's best - the 43's came out of the custom shop IIRC.

I seem to recall we had a friend right here who restored one and was only asking $300K or so for it.

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https://vancouver.craigslist.org/nvn/boa/d/west-vancouver-north-1981-cc-43-custom/7242942291.html

I have seen a couple of beautifully reworked 43's. Excellent size.

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Leather in winter is cold, but it sure looks good. 

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2 hours ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

Is it important to have that size of crew to sail?  To sail fast?

I hate it when there's no pictures of how the deck is set up.  

So it’s still got it’s halyard winches on the mast...which means (as an IOR race boat) it’s still probably set up for a full crew of 10-12 folks...

Can it be sailed by less?  Sure.  Can the deck layout be improved to make it easier to sail with less?   Sure.  But it’s a 43 foot race boat designed for a crew of 10-12...IOR ballast to displacement ratios were never all that high as you’d be penalized...so crew on the rail was a design “consideration”.....

 

Beautiful boat, and looks to be in really nice shape!!!

 

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That is most certainly not the original C&C 43 (details below).  The last of those was built around 1974 or so and looks rather different.  I can't be quite sure by comparing the pictures to my foggy memory, but this boat looks a lot like the custom 42 (my project) that was first launched in about '76, but I didn't think that the series lasted until '81.  I know that a couple were started on spec and may have hung around that long.  There may also have been subsequent models in that size range, but IDK about that.  Either way it’s most likely a Bruckmann-built boat and a sweet deal if that is the sort of boat you want.  And, yes, it would be an IOR-inspired design, meaning not quite as stable as one would like for cruising purposes.

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18 hours ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

Is it important to have that size of crew to sail?  To sail fast?

I hate it when there's no pictures of how the deck is set up.  

I own a 1981 40 and although it is a different genre and a bit smaller,  I single/double hand her easily.   I know a family who cruised their 43 without drama when their kids were young.  

Most C&C designs from the 70s, 80s and 90s are balanced sweet sailors with very few exceptions.   

If serious about the model, go to cncphotoalbum.com and join the email list.   Great resource and a great bunch of folks.

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