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A bit more on this, Buck, if you're interested. LRPP and most of the other starters, got zero engagement/fightback from ETNZ in the start box, the entire regatta, IMO. (I said earlier, they looked bereft of ideas, even when given the port entry advantage. So I doubt whether LRPP's dual helm was put under any pressure - which is maybe why it all looks to be moving smoothly. Then again, what the hell would I know?

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54 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

A bit more on this, Buck, if you're interested. LRPP and most of the other starters, got zero engagement/fightback from ETNZ in the start box, the entire regatta, IMO. (I said earlier, they looked bereft of ideas, even when given the port entry advantage. So I doubt whether LRPP's dual helm was put under any pressure - which is maybe why it all looks to be moving smoothly. Then again, what the hell would I know?

I could see that being a strategy from ETNZ. For sure will be interesting to see how it performs come Prada cup time. I'm sure it has been done in the simulator enough to at minimum sanity check the idea, so I think it is going to be successful, and they must have a system for one helm assuming total control when required, it'd be crazy to not entertain the need and practice that.

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2 hours ago, NZL3481 said:

He learned from the best in the last Cup cycle...

Exactly, he'd be a terrible student to have not learned anything therein. And I'm sure he and Mr. Bertelli will bring their own twists to this too. The picture of LR developed around the time of pulling out of AC35 is that of an organization that isn't naive or ill prepared.

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It was some time I was thinking about those red lines.. thank you guys for the info :) 

Maybe I was thinking too much about 2003, when LR changed three bows during the LV Cup, that was an awesome work by the shore team. I'm just so curious about mods they're gonna do now! 

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On 12/21/2020 at 4:07 PM, Sailbydate said:

I don't think so, Zaal. Especially in the start box. Maybe an improvement to the shared helm would be only after starting, with Jimmy helming exclusively in the start box. 

On the other hand, if LRPP leave the arrangement as is, that's better for ETNZ, so all's good. ;-)

I wouldn't assume Spithill is the better of the two helmsmen in the pre-start. Bruni has a pretty good resume when it comes to match racing. These starts aren't the reaching starts of the two cup cycles. The upwind start leads to positioning similar to a traditional monohull match race.

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Bruni seems to be someone at LRs love child. Always first on the payroll always helming but for whatever reason they always hedge their bets with an 'antagonist' helm as well, Draper, JS...

They should just commit

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New interview with Max Sirena and Francesco "Checco" Bruni by Bacci del Buono and Mauro Giuffrè for Giornale della Vela 

- Asked by Baci about this ACWS, Max says this racing days were really important, it was the first time they lined up with other competitors. They're analyzing all the data and meanwhile shore team is doing "little big" mods to the boat. Some mods were already planned, some are new, based on what they saw in the races. 25 and 26 are free days, 27 back in the water

- Bacci talks about his high heart rate watching the races, and Max joking adds that during a reunion with Bertelli, some months ago (an agitated reunion), someone's watch rang the heart rate alarm, and Max told him that it was better if he turned off the clock, since for another hour at least his heart rate was going to speed up (edit: Max is joking, so there wasn't any real danger, but that's a fun story). Anyway, he says he feels a lot more stressed watching the regatta from the chase boat than being onboard, 'cause you're not in control of anything, you can only watch powerless.

- Checco Bruni joins the interview, Max jokingly scold him for being late (it was scheduled for 9:30, Checco says, defending himself. It's 9:33 now, Max answers) but they're clearly joking

(Edit: now I'll say when Max is answering and when Checco is answering)

- Question for Max by Mauro: is it settled thet he'll never be on board on LR ? Max says that they tried to convince him, asking to add his name to the crew list for the doping controls, saying that if a lot of people got injured maybe he was needed onboard, but he said no. He adds that he stays on the boat two time each day: in the morning, when he go from one side of the boat to the other, going on the chase boat, and in the evening, doing the opposite.

- Asked about B2, Max says that they're ready to race both with B1 and B2. They're happy about B2, that of course have better performances than B1. They'll apply some mods to B2 along the way in the Prada Cup, some of them will be clearly visible the next time they'll go in the water. They chose to sail with B2 because is a great innovation of B1. This boats need time, there's more cutting edge technology on an AC75 than a F1 car in some departments, every hour of sailing gets better performances, even without any mod to the boat. That was easy to see during this ACWS:  they badly lost to ETNZ the first race but they got better and better the other days, and in the end they could have won the Event. Last day they got a 10% better performance from Day 1. LR is the only team at the second stage of foils, and they used training sails for the ACWS. They have a lot in the pocket, but they'll know if it's enough only at the end.

- Question for Francesco by Mauro: were they worried after the first race vs ETNZ ? Checco first says that they weren't happy, because they had three minutes gap with the Kiwis. They knew it was gonna be hard, 'cause they suspected ETNZ was really good in the upper wind range. He adds that half of that gap was LR fault, cause they drop off the foils at the first mark and doing this you can easily loose one minute to your opponent. They made also some tactical errors, in the first upwind leg they were 2 boat lengths behind and then suddenly after few seconds 20 boat lengths behind. They weren't happy at all, but at the same time their main focus right now is to win the Prada Cup, they'll sail against ETNZ maybe in a two months time. He adds that right now ETNZ is set for the upper wind range, while LR for the lower wind range, and that's why LR had a little speed edge in the last day.

- Asked about his sensations in the first pre-start, and if it's scary drive an AC75 so close to another one, Checco says that's not scary at all, the problem is the other way around, you have to be really focused and not boasting around. He's really happy about the team's pre-start training, they sailed vs a chase boat that can go up to 40 knots and simulate to be an opponent AC75. it works pretty well, the downside is that it' a double risk for the team, since if you have a collision, you risk two great assets, the boat and te chase boat. They're the team that trained the most for the pre-start. They trained a lot also in the simulator, so they got pretty clear ideas of what to do in the pre-start.

- Asked by Bacci about who call the shots in the double helmsman configuration, Checco says that's really easy: whoever is helming at the moment makes the call. It can't be different since the flight controller must be really focused on what he's doing, so he can't think at much else than that. When one between him and JS is at the helm, he have to paint the picture in the comms, describing the tactical situation, so when the other one take the helm he has a good picture of the current situation. The double helm configuration is a great plus for the maneuvers, since they have a lot less transitions than the others. He speaks about AM, they have to move someone to the windward side of the boat before they can tack or gybe, and doing so they reveal their move to the opponents. Having three people switching side is also bad for windage and also bad for maneuvers, since in that 4,5,6 seconds people switching side can't control anything on the boat. There are also some downsides of course, but the most important thing for this double configuration to work is that each helmsman trust the other one, and that's the case with he and Jimmy.

- Asked by Bacci about Ineos FCS issues, Max says every team has had some problems with FCS and the software. They had some issues some months ago, right now they have some smaller ones but anything bad enough to compromise a race. AM had some little problems and Ineos some bigger problems, but in the end it's a one design element, so every team has to work out the solution. Speaking about Ineos, he says that he doesn't like to speak about other teams. What he can say is that they have some problems in the take off. The Ineos hull could be a reason, since it's radically designed more for the aero than for the hydro, and there's some rumors about systems issues, but AC75 are so complex that small changes can bring really different performances.

- Max continues speaking about AC75. He disagree with people saying that America's Cup is not a sailing competition anymore, and that pre-start or tactics are not important as before. The first race, when the Kiwis gave them 3 minutes (Edit: he swears speaking of this) is a clear example of this. ETNZ has a speed edge with strong winds, but you can't win a race if you don't sail well. The first upwind leg they were in reversed phase, they lost a lot of ground. First downwind leg, second upwind leg, third downwind leg they had a 5 seconds difference each. With these boats going to the wrong side means going really fast to the wrong part of the course, and that's why there's a lot more covering and close racing with the AC75 then with the IACC, with much more tacking duels.

- Asked by Mauro about how much they can change for the Prada Cup, Max says that every hull can be mod by 12.5%, which is a pretty big part. You can build three pairs of foils. LR is the only challenger (edit: so maybe he was speaking about challengers only before) using their second pair, UK and AM are at their last foils configuration. You can build 4 rudders, Ineos is the only team using the last one. Every competitor can build 10 pairs of flaps. So the three foil pairs have three pairs of flaps, leaving you with four additional flaps, that you can make bigger or smaller in order to target the boat for high, medium or low wind range. Sails are limited to 50, mainsails to 10. You can build only three masts (they made 2) and he thinks limitations are good, 'cause without them you can go crazy testing an infinite number of different conponents.

(Edit: now they're gonna talk about the races, watching the videos. First one is the second race between LR and AM)

- Checco talks about the first penalty. There were some issues with the map the commitee boat send to each boat, so they messed up with the timing. This ACWS, Checco adds, was a general test also for the commitee. Sometimes it was wrong the LR system , sometimes was the Committe's system to fail. Speaking about the first AM penalty, he said that his move was good, but he should have lowered the other arm while doing that.

- Checco talks about the last race of the Event. He gave JS an imput about how to start, JS agreed and put the boat exactly where they wanted, on the same tack of ETNZ, trying to disturb them with bad air. They wanted to make them falling from the foils, since they were flying in what is called a marginal foiling condition. This good starts are a result of the great work they did in the training sessions. Checco adds that there aren't as much schemes as a traditional match race prestart, here you can do 3-4, but it's important to know what you want to do and doing it well.

-Asked about what he expect from the Prada Cup, Max says that - unlike in the ACWS - errors in the Prada Cup will have consequences. Speaking about the boats, differently from the IACC Version 5 of Valencia, it's really difficult to make an AC75 set for all-around wind conditions. You have to stick to your boat declaration for every race blocks, and you can change only sails. Every team designed the boat for a wind range that they think/hope to find in the Prada Cup, the prada Cup Finals or The Match. Statistics for this first summer period is medium to light breeze. The'll decide later about the final set of foils, looking at the wind conditions and the opponents, hopefully for the Prada Cup Final or for the Cup. Ineos didn't show his real strenght, they have the highest number of Olympics winners in the sailing team, the biggest budget, great designers, he expect them to be really strong in the Prada Cup. Whoever will win the Prada Cup will be a strong opponent for ETNZ, also because racing against other boats is different than sailing alone. When you sail alone you always think you're the fastest, but you know the truth only lining up with a real opponent. Anyway, every Challenger must continue to watch them, spy them, see how they change the boat, what foil they'll use.

-Checco thinks that every team, ETNZ included, raced at 100% of their capacity, but every team has a lot of aces in the hole. 

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45 minutes ago, Zaal said:

-Checco thinks that every team, ETNZ included, raced at 100% of their capacity, but every team has a lot of aces in the hole. 

Great translation thanks. Interesting they used training sails only. Now the fascinating arms race really begins right up til last race of the match. Spying might pay big dividends providing you dont get caught... And of course the teams can always consult SAAC for the latest technical advice.

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2 minutes ago, hoom said:

Proof of the below deck boom?!

Looks suspiciously like it. Lines going forward ? hydraulics. ? long ram like ETNZ's spanner arrangement with bendy battens.

I havent seen much speculation on the lack of backstays seen in ACWS on B2.

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2 hours ago, minimumfuss said:

I havent seen much speculation on the lack of backstays seen in ACWS on B2.

 

 

It seems our friends Vittorio & Pietro heard you and decided to oblige: right now it’s just the Italian version out, hopefully the English version will soon follow - IMO quite thoughtful evaluation of pros and cons, they point out this decision affects the cut of the sails so it wouldn’t be easy to reverse it / or copy it. Towards the end, people here may disagree when they say all teams have given up on active square top regulation or reverse camber

 

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Does anyone know if any other teams are ready to race with B1 still, as above LR PP apparently are. ETNZ have mothballed Te Aihe. Are Ineos and AM B1s in NZ? Could be a deciding factor if someone runs into a mark. They are obviously leaving nothing to chance. 

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3 minutes ago, Woolfy said:

Fuck me I thought sailing for LE was selling his soul to the devil, but RB too, jeez.

RB sponsors a lot of athletes, obviously, and yes JS has perfected product-placement on some very big stages. Does he actually drink it? Who knows, but recent photos of his physique suggests he’s into something better than most of us! Lol

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18 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

RB sponsors a lot of athletes, obviously, and yes JS has perfected product-placement on some very big stages. Does he actually drink it? Who knows, but recent photos of his physique suggests he’s into something better than most of us! Lol

Great example for all those kids watching.

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10 hours ago, fish7yu said:

Jimmy Spithill interview: "We are not stopping for Christmas"

by MPG 24 Dec 21:37 HKT

Jimmy Spithill interview: "We are not stopping for Christmas"

 

 

Jimmy's three favourite things. Taking his shirt off, and copping $ from Panerai and Red Bull. Add a Prada handbag and will be the perfect marketing tool. Go on, someone get the crayons out. 

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30 minutes ago, FinnFish said:

Great example for all those kids watching.

Yep, I’m sure a lot of kids abuse RB. A good friend of mine does too, he keeps a supply of RB and FireBall whiskey in my basement’s bar for billiards sessions, yikes but it somehow works for him. Like JS, he enjoys rocking to AC/DC too.

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34 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

The inhumanity of it all!  will someone please think of the children... 

ffs grow up. 

Agreed.

I'm so over this politically correct bullshit. My kids have never drunk red bull cos they aren't fucking allowed to. When they leave home, if they drink it then we'll that's on them.

I've got a close Texan mate of mine living in Kansas whose step daughter practically needs therapy if you refuse to call her "he" or "zhe" or some shit like that.

Plus she has decided to start calling herself ?Simon? (apparently the first question mark is upside down, but fuck nose where that is on my keyboard).

So yeah, I'm with hazmat. Let's not start introducing all this political correctness into Anarchy.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

Yep, I’m sure a lot of kids abuse RB. A good friend of mine does too, he keeps a supply of RB and FireBall whiskey in my basement’s bar for billiards sessions, yikes but it somehow works for him. Like JS, he enjoys rocking to AC/DC too.

Nothing wrong with AC/DC

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4 hours ago, JALhazmat said:

The inhumanity of it all!  will someone please think of the children... 

ffs grow up. 

Very true, so I guess someone in peak condition at the top of their game is poor example for kids watching? Try and catch the right end of stick next time you whinny bleached POM.

When does INEOS pack up their 5ktsb?

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7 minutes ago, FinnFish said:

Very true. Just like Ben delivering a bit of biff in an international comp is fanastic example of how you should act. 

Oh for fucks sake, drinking red bull is equivalent to common assault now?

Pull your head out of your tightly clenched arsehole.

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Not sure who's out there, but miles North of Waiheke there's two suits of black sails moving pretty quickly along the horizon. Hell of long way out, so can't be certain they're AC75's, but they've certainly got a shift on.

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4 hours ago, jaysper said:

Agreed.

I'm so over this politically correct bullshit. My kids have never drunk red bull cos they aren't fucking allowed to. When they leave home, if they drink it then we'll that's on them.

I've got a close Texan mate of mine living in Kansas whose step daughter practically needs therapy if you refuse to call her "he" or "zhe" or some shit like that.

Plus she has decided to start calling herself ?Simon? (apparently the first question mark is upside down, but fuck nose where that is on my keyboard).

So yeah, I'm with hazmat. Let's not start introducing all this political correctness into Anarchy.

 

 

My youngest niece came over for Christmas dinner has changed her name to Max in honour of Max S said I crikey if looks could kill....

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2 hours ago, Priscilla said:

My youngest niece came over for Christmas dinner has changed her name to Max in honour of Max S said I crikey if looks could kill....

Personally I quite like his step daughter and don't give a shit what she calls herself. However when she starts trying to force me to call her by that shit, well thats when the bus stops. 

 

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4 hours ago, FinnFish said:

Very true, so I guess someone in peak condition at the top of their game is poor example for kids watching? Try and catch the right end of stick next time you whinny bleached POM.

When does INEOS pack up their 5ktsb?

Nice deflection cunt bag.. 

if kids are too Fucking stupid to realise that  old Jimmy and every other Redbull athlete on the planet doesn’t actually drink that shit 24hrs a day  then that’s on you as a parent

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55 minutes ago, jaysper said:

Personally I quite like his step daughter and don't give a shit what she calls herself. However when she starts trying to force me to call her by that shit, well thats when the bus stops. 

 

Does it hurt you in any way to respect her wish? What disadvantages do you have if you do? What does it take away from you if you do? 

My take fwiw: If I have the chance to not be an ass by a simple thing like calling someone by their chosen name, and that someone feels better by me doing so, I will gladly do it. The world is mean enough, why not be friendly every now and then? 

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They have every right to be offended if I get their pronoun wrong.

I have every right not to give a fuck.

I won't go out of my way to be offensive (SA denizens excluded, obviously), but if they have tits, and I've not been advised to the contrary, they'll be a "she".

People have just have to deal with being offended, as it's their baggage, not mine. Harden the fuck up.

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1 hour ago, Rennmaus said:

Does it hurt you in any way to respect her wish? What disadvantages do you have if you do? What does it take away from you if you do? 

My take fwiw: If I have the chance to not be an ass by a simple thing like calling someone by their chosen name, and that someone feels better by me doing so, I will gladly do it. The world is mean enough, why not be friendly every now and then? 

As an isolated act? Certainly not a big ask, fully agree, looking from an elevated pow makes it different however. All these small acts moves the norm ever so slightly in the direction where people imagine any situation where they get offended just for the sake of getting attention and making and other withdrawal on the victim card.

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12 minutes ago, Nutta said:

They have every right to be offended if I get their pronoun wrong.

I have every right not to give a fuck.

I won't go out of my way to be offensive (SA denizens excluded, obviously), but if they have tits, and I've not been advised to the contrary, they'll be a "she".

People have just have to deal with being offended, as it's their baggage, not mine. Harden the fuck up.

But you're the one offended.....can you not see the circle you are perpetuating. Please don't harden the fuck up...that doesn't get anybody anywhere. 

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No, I'm not offended. I'm just sick of snowflakes being offended at everything on behalf of everyone else. They need to STFU and harden up as previously suggested. 

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Why not move the norm to a more understanding, friendly, caring world? What is so wrong about it?

Is the world we are currently living in so good? Was it so good in the 50s, 1800s, 1700s? We permanently moved the norms, it's called progress. 

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3 hours ago, jaysper said:

Personally I quite like his step daughter and don't give a shit what she calls herself. However when she starts trying to force me to call her by that shit, well thats when the bus stops. 

 

Scary part of this name transition is it’s driven by adhering to a social clique that’s entry ticket is issued by being recognised and hence accepted as having a negative personality difficulty.

The girl is 15 fucking definitely not good.

 

 

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On 12/21/2020 at 11:54 PM, Sailbydate said:

A bit more on this, Buck, if you're interested. LRPP and most of the other starters, got zero engagement/fightback from ETNZ in the start box, the entire regatta, IMO. (I said earlier, they looked bereft of ideas, even when given the port entry advantage. So I doubt whether LRPP's dual helm was put under any pressure - which is maybe why it all looks to be moving smoothly. Then again, what the hell would I know?

I dont think bereft of ideas is the correct term. They seem to have the best boat so far and in my thinking taking risks in the start box is not needed especially avoiding coming off the foils. On the other hand if I am correct it will be a very risky strategy and by the time of the final they will need to be good at everything on the cse. The challenger certainly will be. 

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8 hours ago, Woolfy said:

Not sure who's out there, but miles North of Waiheke there's two suits of black sails moving pretty quickly along the horizon. Hell of long way out, so can't be certain they're AC75's, but they've certainly got a shift on.

You must be right because I saw B1 in the Solent at a distance and I to do a double take as I had never seen anything so fast with sails on. You cant mistake them. If you can see speed on the horizon it must be fast.

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5 hours ago, Rennmaus said:

Does it hurt you in any way to respect her wish? What disadvantages do you have if you do? What does it take away from you if you do? 

My take fwiw: If I have the chance to not be an ass by a simple thing like calling someone by their chosen name, and that someone feels better by me doing so, I will gladly do it. The world is mean enough, why not be friendly every now and then? 

Your words are your own to control. Not for anyone else. You are both right and each according to his conscience . 

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3 hours ago, Rennmaus said:

Why not move the norm to a more understanding, friendly, caring world? What is so wrong about it?

Is the world we are currently living in so good? Was it so good in the 50s, 1800s, 1700s? We permanently moved the norms, it's called progress. 

The world does not work like that. The new normal will involve persecution of those who followed the old normal. One day even you wont be pc enough.  Anyway the boats are out again and is my favourite boat Ineos on the go?

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4 hours ago, Rennmaus said:

Why not move the norm to a more understanding, friendly, caring world? What is so wrong about it?

Is the world we are currently living in so good? Was it so good in the 50s, 1800s, 1700s? We permanently moved the norms, it's called progress. 

Because then you end up with the situation in Canada where attempts have been made to  make it illegal to not use someone's preferred pronouns. 

Freedom of speech is the single most important concept that humans have ever created and we have seen many cases of genocide brought about by the ability of people to suppress it.

So whilst I am happy for someone to call themselves whatever the fuck they want, if they attempt to force me or others to then they can fuck right off.

If it comes down to a choice of those snowflakes and free speech, then I have a strong preference for a firing squad. It would cost fewer lives. 

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25 minutes ago, jaysper said:

Because then you end up with the situation in Canada where attempts have been made to  make it illegal to not use someone's preferred pronouns. 

Freedom of speech is the single most important concept that humans have ever created and we have seen many cases of genocide brought about by the ability of people to suppress it.

So whilst I am happy for someone to call themselves whatever the fuck they want, if they attempt to force me or others to then they can fuck right off.

If it comes down to a choice of those snowflakes and free speech, then I have a strong preference for a firing squad. It would cost fewer lives. 

Spot on. This progress resulted in some good things and a small thing called WW2. Let alone the wars we have had since. Any way what is happening in the boat shed for INEOS?

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55 minutes ago, jaysper said:

Because then you end up with the situation in Canada where attempts have been made to  make it illegal to not use someone's preferred pronouns. 

Freedom of speech is the single most important concept that humans have ever created and we have seen many cases of genocide brought about by the ability of people to suppress it.

So whilst I am happy for someone to call themselves whatever the fuck they want, if they attempt to force me or others to then they can fuck right off.

If it comes down to a choice of those snowflakes and free speech, then I have a strong preference for a firing squad. It would cost fewer lives. 

What is so sad is people are so stupid and blind. What parent would expect there children to be responsible for there {the parents actions} and to have to be remorseful and ashamed of them. While they believe there life's will not be judged poorly by the future generations. The world has seen this type of action before it started on the 8/3/1917 and about 60 million people died before it fell apart on the  9/11/1989 socialism is like looking at a chocolate covered cake that is full of cow shite under the chocolate. It only benefits a few wile imprisoning most as slaves to the few. 

Personal I don't care what colour or sex you are, and I font need to know. I only care who you are ! 

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4 hours ago, barfy said:

Hmmm,

Now this has seriously digressed OT.

Rockets, ¿Simon?...

Look, if someone asks me to call them loly, it certainly doesn't hurt me, or anyone else. Do onto others as they would like done to them.

Completely up to you what you do.

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11 hours ago, dullers said:

I dont think bereft of ideas is the correct term. They seem to have the best boat so far and in my thinking taking risks in the start box is not needed especially avoiding coming off the foils. On the other hand if I am correct it will be a very risky strategy and by the time of the final they will need to be good at everything on the cse. The challenger certainly will be. 

I Agree. And I'm just astounded when people have such amazingly short memories.

Does no one see the similarities with AC35 ?

People  were saying exactly the same thing about ETNZ ... and then PB handed Jimmy his panties multiple times in the final 

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8 hours ago, jaysper said:

Because then you end up with the situation in Canada where attempts have been made to  make it illegal to not use someone's preferred pronouns.

 

This is a deliberate lie which has been debunked by legal entities in Canada as any cursory Google search will reveal, as someone like you who trawls the internet for Vietnamese mail-order brides should know:lol:

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14 minutes ago, trt131 said:

You are a piece of shit Indio and comments like that prove it.  I think its time you moved on from this forum,

You don't have Spindio on ignore?

You should try it, he makes much more sense if you do.

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1 hour ago, Indio said:

This is a deliberate lie which has been debunked by legal entities in Canada as any cursory Google search will reveal, as someone like you who trawls the internet for Vietnamese mail-order brides should know:lol:

https://www.cbc.ca/cbcdocspov/features/canadas-gender-identity-rights-bill-c-16-explained

“Would it cover the accidental misuse of a pronoun? I would say it’s very unlikely,” Cossman says. “Would it cover a situation where an individual repeatedly, consistently refuses to use a person’s chosen pronoun? It might.”

If someone refused to use a preferred pronoun — and it was determined to constitute discrimination or harassment — could that potentially result in jail time?

It is possible, Brown says, through a process that would start with a complaint and progress to a proceeding before a human rights tribunal. If the tribunal rules that harassment or discrimination took place, there would typically be an order for monetary and non-monetary remedies. A non-monetary remedy may include sensitivity training, issuing an apology, or even a publication ban, he says.

If the person refused to comply with the tribunal's order, this would result in a contempt proceeding being sent to the Divisional or Federal Court, Brown says. The court could then potentially send a person to jail “until they purge the contempt,” he says.

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2 hours ago, Indio said:

This is a deliberate lie which has been debunked by legal entities in Canada as any cursory Google search will reveal, as someone like you who trawls the internet for Vietnamese mail-order brides should know:lol:

 

2 hours ago, Indio said:

This is a deliberate lie which has been debunked by legal entities in Canada as any cursory Google search will reveal, as someone like you who trawls the internet for Vietnamese mail-order brides should know:lol:

Canada, compelled speech. Now back to the boats and booze.

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12 hours ago, dullers said:

Spot on. This progress resulted in some good things and a small thing called WW2. Let alone the wars we have had since. Any way what is happening in the boat shed for INEOS?

A far more sensible question, than most of questions floating about at the moment 

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7 hours ago, fish7yu said:

 

They look a bit more bow-down than in the acws.

Also Max said there would some small visible differences from acws and some others for the prada cup in January. I cannot spot anything obvious

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1 hour ago, nav said:

A closer look.... Click for big

 

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Maybe this are "old" pictures, 'cause  the new rudder is black,  and it seems black also in the last NZSP videos (not very clearly although). They're using it since the practice days before the ACWS. 

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Anything is possible. Maybe they are posting old shots as 'post Christmas' activity for some reason. :blink:

Could be just that one without the backstays slipped into the mix by mistake. Nothing to say they haven't switched (or painted) the rudder again though either.

Here was the Xmas Cup set up for what it's worth...

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Comments include mention of deck mods and 're-attached cars'

 

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