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Senator seeks documents on Russia money links to the NRA

https://apnews.com/adafcdc056ad4086aedc0fdb387ddede

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WASHINGTON (AP) — A top Democrat is seeking documents from the National Rifle Association and the Treasury Department following reports of an FBI investigation into whether a Russian central banker funneled money to the group during the 2016 presidential campaign.

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A separate letter addressed to NRA treasurer Wilson Phillips Jr. included a more specific request for documents that detail financial transactions with Russian nationals.

“I am specifically troubled by the possibility that Russian-backed shell companies or intermediaries may have circumvented laws designed to prohibit foreign meddling in our elections,” Wyden wrote.

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Jack, I think you actually believe this. That's kind of scary, because it shows just how effective propaganda can be.  The dossier has not been disproven, administration and campaign officials ha

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Whoopsies. Another lie under oath about someone from the campaign talking to the Rooskies. 

Something about that campaign really screwed up people’s memories about Russians. 

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/372068-kt-mcfarland-asks-trump-to-withdraw-her-nomination-for-ambassador

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8 hours ago, Sean said:

 

James Comey
 
 
All should appreciate the FBI speaking up. I wish more of our leaders would. But take heart: American history shows that, in the long run, weasels and liars never hold the field, so long as good people stand up. Not a lot of schools or streets named for Joe McCarthy.

You mean there won't be a Trump airport or a Donald Trump aircraft carrier?

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4 minutes ago, d'ranger said:

I would support naming a DC landfill the Trump Dump. 

I would support naming a large Russian septic facility "The Trump Dump".

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23 minutes ago, d'ranger said:

I would support naming a DC landfill the Trump Dump. 

Anthropologists and archeologists may use that term to refer to the US.

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2 minutes ago, SailBlueH2O said:

After all these months not one shred of proof.......of Russian anything inappropriate.....nada !

Which solar system are you reporting in from?

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1 hour ago, SailBlueH2O said:

After all these months not one shred of proof.......of Russian anything inappropriate.....nada !

That is not true. No matter how many times you repeat your bullshit, it will not become true.  It is not a tree that you can water into becoming true.  

https://www.justice.gov/file/1007346/download

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In truth and in fact, however, and as set forth above, defendant PAPADOPOULOS met the Professor for the first time on or about March 14, 2016, after defendant PAPADOPOULOS had already learned he would be a foreign policy advisor for the Campaign; the Professor showed interest in defendant PAPADOPOULOS only after learning of his role on the Campaign; and the Professor told defendant PAPADOPOULOS about the Russians possessing "dirt" on then-candidate Clinton in late April 2016, more than a month after defendant PAPADOPOULOS had joined the Campaign.

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The preceding statement is a summary, made for the purpose of providing the Court with a factual basis for my guilty plea to the charge against me. It does not include all ofthe facts known to me regarding this offense. I make this statement knowingly and voluntarily and because I am, in fact, guilty ofthe crime charged. No threats have been made to me nor am I under the influence of anything that could impede my ability to understand this Statement ofthe Offense fully. I have read every word ofthis Statement of the Offense, or have had it read to me. Pursuant to Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 11 , after consulting with my attorney, I agree and stipulate to this Statement ofthe Offense, and declare under penalty of perjury that it is true and correct.

 

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30 minutes ago, SailBlueH2O said:

Yeah sure buddy. The FBI uses an unverified DNC paid for Russia misinformation to spy on a political opponents campaign and you don't think that would be a big deal?? Yet Russia rumors with no evidence from that same fake document you think are important and tout for a year?? This is huge and people will go to jail.

1) Marco Rubio's campaign originally enlisted Fusion GPS, which enlisted Christopher Steele to dig up dirt on Trump. The dossier was jointly funded by both Repubs and Dems.

2) The FBI's file on Carter Page goes back to 2013, well before this dossier.

3) The intelligence community was alerted to Papadop by an Australian official, well before this dossier.

But... yah... go ahead and keep up with your Fox News talking points.

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2 hours ago, SailBlueH2O said:

offer a single piece evidence ....just one...

You're right. There is no evidence. Well, except for a couple things:

But yah, sure, except for those few little things, you're right. No evidence whatsoever.

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Senator Calls for Probe Into Whether Kremlin Used the NRA to Help Elect President

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Wyden, who is a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election, argued that the Senate should look further into the suspected ties between Russia and the NRA.

“The national security as well as legal implications of these reports make it imperative that Congress conduct a thorough investigation,” Wyden wrote in the letter to Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin. A separate letter to the NRA requested specific documentation about the NRA’s financial dealings with Russian nationals.

On Monday, the American Legal Democracy Fund filed its own request for the Federal Election Commission to launch an investigation into whether the NRA took money from Russians and channeled the funds into Trump's election campaign.

An NRA spokesman later said that the gun lobbying group had not been contacted by law enforcement officials.

 

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-investigation-russia-nra-help-798438?utm_campaign=NewsweekTwitter&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social

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10 minutes ago, Mid said:

This is just more right wing funding streams, along the liens of Koch bros. Of course, this is from right across the ice caps, but as long as it's right, its alright.

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Dark money is involved, a spinoff of Citizen's United.

The NRA connection to Russia here is captivating. Former NRA Prez David Keene's Russia involvement goes back to 2013. I don't get it, he works for the WA Times, a virulently anti-communist platform. Torshin entered an op-ed into the WA Times in 2013.

From Glen Simpson's testimony. p143

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MR. SIMPSON: I think that most of what we have found is pretty much out there now. You know, it's been said by others, but, you know, what eventually - it appears the Russians, you know, infiltrated the NRA And there is more than one explanation for why. But I would say broadly speaking, it appears that the Russian operation was designed to infiltrate conservative organizations. And they targeted various conservative organizations, religious and otherwise, and they seem to have made a very concerted effort to get in with the NRA. And so there is a Russian banker-slash-Duma member-slash-Mafia leader UNCLASSIFIED, COMMITTEE SENSITIVE UNCLASSIFIED,COMMITTEESENSITIVE 143 named Alexander Torshin who is a life member of the NRA. And we spent a lot of time investigating Mr. Torshin. And he is well known to Spanish law enforcement for money laundering activity, and you have probably seen the press articles. And I think the Spanish files on him should be available to you.

 

And he, as you know, was supposed to have a meeting with President Trump after the inauguration. And somebody noticed that there had been some stories about him that weren't pretty good. So he is one of the more important figures, but, you know, another woman with whom he was working, Maria Butina, also was a big Trump fan in Russia, and then suddenly showed up here and started hanging around the Trump transition after the election and rented an apartment and enrolled herself at AU, which I assume gets you a visa.

 

MS. SPEIER: She rented an apartment where? MR. SIMPSON: AU Park in Tenleytown. Went to American University and rented an apartment up there. I think she is suspicious. I guess the last thing I will say on this is that we just started seeing this stuff when all the other Russia stuff started bubbling up. And the thing I found, you know, the most absurd about this is that, you know, Vladimir Putin is not in favor of universal gun ownership for Russians. And so it's all a big charade, basically.

http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/20180118/106796/HMTG-115-IG00-20180118-SD002.pdf

 

 

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5 hours ago, SailBlueH2O said:

simple associations....not evidence ....

And there it is folks. In the face of an impossible set of coincidental "associations", the blind continue to put their blind faith in the party of family values (cough Roy Moore cough Stormy Daniels cough), law and order (cough but only for Mexican rapists, black druggies, and immigrants who aren't from Norway cough) and fiscal responsibility (cough except for massive tax cuts for corporations and the 0.1%, and of course how-many-billions for a ridiculous wall cough).

Your country is officially fucked.

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10 hours ago, SailBlueH2O said:

simple associations....not evidence ....

Hey @Dog, you want to correct this guy for me or do you want to concede you were wrong about the evidence thing? Can't have it both ways... well, not unless your a duplicitous, lying shit-stain without the sack to take a stand on what you believe in, I suppose.

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Carter Page Touted Kremlin Contacts in 2013 Letter

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The letter, dated Aug. 25, 2013, was sent by Page to an academic press during a dispute over edits to an unpublished manuscript he had submitted for publication, according to an editor who worked with Page.

“Over the past half year, I have had the privilege to serve as an informal advisor to the staff of the Kremlin in preparation for their Presidency of the G-20 Summit next month, where energy issues will be a prominent point on the agenda,” the letter reads.

 

http://time.com/5132126/carter-page-russia-2013-letter/

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On 2/3/2018 at 6:03 AM, phillysailor said:

This is just more right wing funding streams, along the liens of Koch bros. Of course, this is from right across the ice caps, but as long as it's right, its alright.

Sounds like some on the left trying to smear the NRA w/the Russian Probe brush.  Just my opinion, but, I suspect we'll all soon see. 

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1 hour ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

Sounds like some on the left trying to smear the NRA w/the Russian Probe brush.  Just my opinion, but, I suspect we'll all soon see. 

There's an FEC complaint being investigated already, and sworn testimony on it before a Congressional committee.  We may get to hear about it eventually.  We may not. 

https://www.npr.org/2018/01/29/581424557/alleged-link-between-nra-and-russia-becomes-fodder-for-the-left

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3 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

There's an FEC complaint being investigated already, and sworn testimony on it before a Congressional committee.  We may get to hear about it eventually.  We may not. 

https://www.npr.org/2018/01/29/581424557/alleged-link-between-nra-and-russia-becomes-fodder-for-the-left

This could easily be another ploy by Putin to sew division. He's been playing both sides against each other. Hopefully we find out the truth about it eventually.

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10 minutes ago, learningJ24 said:

And not just the NRA.  Looks like any group that will stir the political pot can get some help.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/02/how-russia-became-a-leader-of-the-worldwide-christian-right-214755

How Russia Became the Leader of the Global Christian Right

"I went home with a carpenter....just like I always do.  How was I to know, he was with the Russians too?"  or something like that.

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40 minutes ago, phillysailor said:

Or, it sounds like some Americans need to reassess their knee-jerk attitudes towards the left, the NRA, and the Russians. 

Perhaps so - but,  I haven't yet read or heard anything that would give me reason to do so as it pertains to the implication of NRA laundering $$ for the Russians. 

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11 minutes ago, Mike G said:

That photos been out for months.  Why would Nunes say such a thing?

I'll take a shot at that - Because he's not the brightest bulb on the tree?

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Just now, Sean said:

I'll take a shot at that - Because he's not the brightest bulb on the tree?

It's one thing to make a claim and hope a photo doesn't ever see the light of day, because you know the photographer and he said he deleted it, or something like that.

But this one is already out.  And has been. 

It's just weird.

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Headed for a subpoena?

 

Trump’s Lawyers Want Him to Refuse an Interview in Russia Inquiry

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/05/us/politics/trump-lawyers-special-counsel-interview.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=66477778&pgtype=Homepage

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WASHINGTON — Lawyers for President Trump have advised him against sitting down for a wide-ranging interview with the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, according to four people briefed on the matter, raising the specter of a monthslong court battle over whether the president must answer questions under oath.

His lawyers are concerned that the president, who has a history of making false statements and contradicting himself, could be charged with lying to investigators. Their stance puts them at odds with Mr. Trump, who has said publicly and privately that he is eager to speak with Mr. Mueller as part of the investigation into possible ties between his associates and Russia’s election interference, and whether he obstructed justice.

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2 hours ago, Sean said:

I'll take a shot at that - Because he's not the brightest bulb on the tree?

He knows exactly what he is doing. Fox viewers are not bright enough to verify anything. They don't even know the photo exists and will never see it. "Fox said it. I believe it. That settles it."

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49 minutes ago, bhyde said:

He knows exactly what he is doing. Fox viewers are not bright enough to verify anything. They don't even know the photo exists and will never see it. "Fox said it. I believe it. That settles it."

Sadly that's true. Same people that fell in for the whole Tea Party fad as well. Even with those willing to hear out someone from across the fence, it can be a chore having to correct them on misrepresentations and outright lies they have heard from FOX News (and dig up non-US sources to prove it, cos any "lefty media controlled by Soros" cannot be trusted).

FOX caters for the demographic of "you can fool all of the time". because they are not interested in the facts, just talking heads on the TV telling them exactly what they want to hear - that the problems in their life and their country are all the fault of the tribal other "socialists".

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4 hours ago, Mid said:

That photos been out for months.  Why would Nunes say such a thing?

Because he is a partisan asshole beyond mega-partisan mega-asshole. He would literally sell his mother, grandmother, sister, and wife, into a Bangladeshi brothel if it would help a Republican triumph.

Secondly, because he's speaking to an audience that is eager to hear any nonsense which explains how libby-rull Democrats are evil traitors.

Thirdly, because he's not smart enough to think of anything better.

-DSK

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How did K T McFarland know this was true on December 29, 2016,

before the intelligence agencies acknowledged it in January? 

"If there is a tit-for-tat escalation Trump will have difficulty improving relations with Russia, which has just thrown U.S.A. election to him," she said. 

K. T. McFarland was a senior member of DT's transition team. 

http://www.businessinsider.com/mueller-has-obtained-tens-of-thousands-of-trump-transition-team-emails-2017-12
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On 2/5/2018 at 5:29 PM, bhyde said:

He knows exactly what he is doing. Fox viewers are not bright enough to verify anything. They don't even know the photo exists and will never see it. "Fox said it. I believe it. That settles it."

It is interesting to see the Murdoch's hedging their bet on Trump. While they sic Sean Hannity on all his critics their Wall Street Journal continues to fight against their own brand. They say Rupert's son has begun to run the show. He is aware, it seems, that FOX is profitable now but an overwhelmingly elderly, gullible viewer base and a punch line for a brand name is a dark blip on the ol' long range radar. "Diversify or die!" they teach in MBA skool these days.

 

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On 2/2/2018 at 2:48 PM, SailBlueH2O said:

so...it was Thursday yesterday....not ONE piece of evidence of Russian anything...other than sensational stings of imaginary scenario...cobbled together with bits of true statements leading to anxious Trump haters thinking it's true....if any of it was true....everyone would know  

So you take your Fox News intravenously I see.

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But before he was elected president, Trump repeatedly blasted 2016 Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton for the investigation into her use of a private e-mail server while Secretary of State. In fact, Trump said having a sitting president under criminal investigation would result in a “constitutional crisis.”

“She’s likely to be under investigation for criminality for a very, very long time to come,” Trump said during a Oct. 31, 2016 speech in Warren, Mich.

“We’re going to be tied up in court for the rest of our lives with this deal,” he added, referring to if Clinton were elected. “She’s not going to win the election, but I’m just saying. If Hillary is elected, she will be under protracted criminal investigation likely followed by the trial of a sitting president. This is just what we need.”

From a TIME  article, June 2017. The bolded references are mine.

http://time.com/4819919/donald-trump-obstruction-justice-investigation/

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31 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

Not quite as funny as watching law & order Republicans who still claim to defend law enforcement turn on the FBI.

My position is the Republicans in DC did an excellent job of pressuring the FBI to achieve their desired ends during the campaign.

to the 1st?  yup - agree.   to the second? Sour grapes. 

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3 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

Your position is Republicans didn't pressure the FBI? The FBI was damned if they commented and damned if they didn't. That's the result of the pressure I'm speaking of. You can't lament political scorched earth tactics and excuse it AGITC. Same with Merrick Garland.

Can you stay on point for more than two sentences?  Merrick Garland is a completely separate circumstance. 

No - I don't think that the Republicans pressured the FBI during the Clinton investigation - I think Comey is a dedicated professional, who did his best to fulfill the obligations established by the commission who initiated the investigation, and anecdotal observation aside, I don't think that you can provide any factual accounting to the contrary.

Merrick Garland should have gotten a vote - that was pure partisan hackery, and was wrong.   

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I said at the time that the only reason I gave the FBI the benefit of the doubt for discussing an ongoing investigation, which it seldom does, especially during a Presidential campaign, is because of James Comey.  He has a record of standing up for the rule of law time and time again, be it in this matter, or when he stood up to Card and Gonzales when they tried to end run to get AG Ashcroft to sign off on re-upping the warrantless wiretap program from his hospital bed (before Congress retroactively legalized what had been going on).  It was amusing watching one side defend/one attack, and then watch the sides switch, then switch again.  The guy pinches off more integrity after his morning coffee than the Pride of New York has in his entire 239 pound frame.  

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A little collusion with your afternoon tea?

Navalny Links Kremlin to Trump Campaign Aide Paul Manafort

Source: The Moscow Times



Feb. 08 2018 - 17:02 

Opposition leader Alexei Navalny has published a video investigation claiming that Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska acted as a messenger between U.S. President Donald Trump’s ex-campaign chief Paul Manafort and a top Kremlin foreign policy official, citing footage of a meeting on a yacht. 

Paul Manafort, who served as Trump’s campaign chief in mid-2016, is suspected of having offered information on the campaign to Kremlin-linked metals tycoon Oleg Deripaska. The offer was seen in Washington as evidence of Russia’s suspected interference in the U.S. presidential elections which saw Trump win the White House. 

In his investigation released on Thursday, Navalny said he found the trail in a video posted by a self-described ‘sex huntress‘ on social media depicting Deripaska and Russia’s Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Prikhodko aboard a yacht in August 2016. 

In July 2016, Manafort offered private briefings to Deripaska on the Trump campaign’s progress in an email, The Washington Post reported last year. 



Read more: https://themoscowtimes.com/news/navalny-claims-proof-kremlins-ties-to-trump-campaign-aide-paul-manafort-60442 
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2 hours ago, badlatitude said:

 

 

 

A little collusion with your afternoon tea?

Navalny Links Kremlin to Trump Campaign Aide Paul Manafort

Source: The Moscow Times



Feb. 08 2018 - 17:02 

Opposition leader Alexei Navalny has published a video investigation claiming that Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska acted as a messenger between U.S. President Donald Trump’s ex-campaign chief Paul Manafort and a top Kremlin foreign policy official, citing footage of a meeting on a yacht. 

Paul Manafort, who served as Trump’s campaign chief in mid-2016, is suspected of having offered information on the campaign to Kremlin-linked metals tycoon Oleg Deripaska. The offer was seen in Washington as evidence of Russia’s suspected interference in the U.S. presidential elections which saw Trump win the White House. 

In his investigation released on Thursday, Navalny said he found the trail in a video posted by a self-described ‘sex huntress‘ on social media depicting Deripaska and Russia’s Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Prikhodko aboard a yacht in August 2016. 

In July 2016, Manafort offered private briefings to Deripaska on the Trump campaign’s progress in an email, The Washington Post reported last year. 



Read more: https://themoscowtimes.com/news/navalny-claims-proof-kremlins-ties-to-trump-campaign-aide-paul-manafort-60442 

The Telegraph picked up the story, added some beef to it -

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/08/oligarch-met-top-russian-official-trump-aide-offered-briefings/

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 Naming names with video footage. If it pans out, it's a more concrete connection than I expected, this early.

Does Mueller sail?

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21 hours ago, Sean said:

Manafort wasn’t just a campaign aide, he was the chairman. 

This happens in every campaign. Nothing to see here. Deep State! Nothing burger. 

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23 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

He (Comey) has a record of standing up for the rule of law time and time again, be it in this matter (the "ongoing investigation", as in re-opening Clinton) , or when he stood up to Card and Gonzales

The rule of law here pls? There was no precedent for announcing the re-opening the investigation of the e-mail thingee, especially in that timeframe.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't that in the time frame that Guliani was bragging about a bombshell?  My impression (with no evidence) was that there were some FBI angents that were leaking to Rudy and pushing Comey into an impossible spot. Don't say anything and the information leaks-He's covering up! Say something and it's nothing-He's a political sycophant.

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Hee Haw.  This is about to get interesting.  

http://thehill.com/homenews/373206-us-intelligence-negotiating-return-of-classified-nsa-documents

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Russians involved in the meetings have also begun offering to sell information on Trump campaign officials in connection with the concerted Russian government effort to influence the 2016 election.

 

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1 minute ago, Cal20sailor said:

This shit sickens me.

what, that the Russians would not have the honor to stay quiet about the work they did, and would try to make bank off of both sides of the transaction?  Who could have seen THAT coming?  

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51 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

what, that the Russians would not have the honor to stay quiet about the work they did, and would try to make bank off of both sides of the transaction?  Who could have seen THAT coming?  

With a chuckle, your comment sickens me.  Dysfunctional is way too mild for this WH.  

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On 03/02/2018 at 11:13 PM, Shortforbob said:

you calling our London Ambassador a Liar?

I’ve met twice with Alexander Downer. Not only is he much sharper than people realise, he can also drink stupendously and still have his wits about him when the rest of us are so fried we’re struggling to put two words together. 

Nice guy to chat to, very disarming. 

 

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House Russia investigation has 'abundance' of evidence against Trump, says top Democrat

Adam Schiff said the panel had seen evidence of collusion with Russia and obstruction by Donald Trump’s campaign and administration that is not yet public

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/14/trump-russia-investigation-evidence-collusion-obstruction-adam-schiff

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1 hour ago, Sean said:

 

House Russia investigation has 'abundance' of evidence against Trump, says top Democrat

Adam Schiff said the panel had seen evidence of collusion with Russia and obstruction by Donald Trump’s campaign and administration that is not yet public

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/14/trump-russia-investigation-evidence-collusion-obstruction-adam-schiff

Bullshit. It would have leaked by now...

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5 minutes ago, Movable Ballast said:

Bullshit. It would have leaked by now...

We shall see. I got to believe that something significant is going to go down when Mueller is done. It should be apparent to all by now that Trump and the people he surrounds himself with are pretty unsavory characters. But to many, nothing matters. I hope my country can recover from this nightmare.

 

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18 minutes ago, Movable Ballast said:

Bullshit. It would have leaked by now...

 

Much info regarding collusion, and money laundering, has been in the public domain for years now.  Some of it published in Atlantic Monthly, et aux.  As I have posted here many, many  times before, after Trumps bankruptcy of the TAJ Casino Resort failure, no reputable lenders would loan money to Trump.  He needed funding for his Trump SOHO project.  Felix Sater, a mobbed up Russian with access to lots of Russian Oligarchs dirty money, became his banker and business partner.  There is a preponderance of evidence that Trump and his entourage had many contacts and interactions with many people connected to Putin, also for years past. There was lots of money laundering, and probably tax evasion.  When Mueller has all the pieces tied together, tied up in a neat and tidy, airtight indictment, Trump and his Presidency, family and businesses are going down.  I would  bet  a Benjamin on it, any takers?

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25 minutes ago, learningJ24 said:

Charlie Cook is giving D's a 60% chance of winning control of the House but only a 25% chance of taking the Senate. He's on the conservitive side of the analysis of the spectrum so take it for what it's worth.

Taking the Senate is a very heavy lift for the Dems. Possible, but would require righties to stay home in disgust while lefties hit the polls in droves. It's all about turnout.

God knows what Trump and his sycophants in Congress will do between now and Election Day. Could make for a sea change moment, but I'm not holding my breath.

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5 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:

Just because the Republicans have taken to selective leaking of classified material...

The investigation so far seems to be very tight, with a few possibly purposeful leaks. Shit's going down.

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5 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

The investigation so far seems to be very tight, with a few possibly purposeful leaks. Shit's going down.

Agreed. The realisation of which seems to be behind the recent meltdown spam from some of the right-wingers and the complete lack of commentary from others for the past two weeks. :lol: 

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2 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Teach kids (or everyone) how to do combat medical care. 

I know that's tongue in cheek BUT that's exactly where the USA is heading .

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10 hours ago, billy backstay said:

 

Much info regarding collusion, and money laundering, has been in the public domain for years now.  Some of it published in Atlantic Monthly, et aux.  As I have posted here many, many  times before, after Trumps bankruptcy of the TAJ Casino Resort failure, no reputable lenders would loan money to Trump.  He needed funding for his Trump SOHO project.  Felix Sater, a mobbed up Russian with access to lots of Russian Oligarchs dirty money, became his banker and business partner.  There is a preponderance of evidence that Trump and his entourage had many contacts and interactions with many people connected to Putin, also for years past. There was lots of money laundering, and probably tax evasion.  When Mueller has all the pieces tied together, tied up in a neat and tidy, airtight indictment, Trump and his Presidency, family and businesses are going down.  I would  bet  a Benjamin on it, any takers?

If evidence of criminality has been in the public domain for years one wonders why he hasn't been indicted already.

WRT your bet I might be interested, can you define what would constitute " Trump and his Presidency, family and businesses are going down" more specifically.

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11 hours ago, billy backstay said:

 

  He needed funding for his Trump SOHO project.  Felix Sater, a mobbed up Russian with access to lots of Russian Oligarchs dirty money, became his banker and business partner. 

since the donald had a zero equity stake in the soho, what did he need funding for?

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12 hours ago, Sean said:

We shall see. I got to believe that something significant is going to go down when Mueller is done. It should be apparent to all by now that Trump and the people he surrounds himself with are pretty unsavory characters. But to many, nothing matters. I hope my country can recover from this nightmare.

 

I think that a lot of politicians are unsavory characters - and that we individually have a propensity to excuse undesirable behavior in individuals that we think are advancing our interests.  It's not an R or D or U.S. thing at all.