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13 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

Dog scrupulously avoids internalizes Donald Trump being a lying piece of shit.

I'm on record saying Donald Trump is unfit for the office he holds but that doesn't mean everything said about him is true.

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14 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:
18 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Isn't it refreshing, all these embarrassing contortions you're forced to perform?

Lots of folks here who oughta be Twister experts.  

 

The ironic thing is that I agree with Dog that not every bad thing said about President Trump is true. In fact I am on record (here and elsewhere) as saying that the office of the Presidency should be spoken of a degree of respect that is often sadly lacking; and the way many Republicans spoke about Obama does not excuse empty & callous insults directed at Trump.

OTOH he is guilty of some pretty bad things

-DSK

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1 minute ago, Steam Flyer said:

 

The ironic thing is that I agree with Dog that not every bad thing said about President Trump is true. In fact I am on record (here and elsewhere) as saying that the office of the Presidency should be spoken of a degree of respect that is often sadly lacking; and the way many Republicans spoke about Obama does not excuse empty & callous insults directed at Trump.

OTOH he is guilty of some pretty bad things

-DSK

No argument whatsoever.   It's truly unfortunate that the office is currently occupied by someone who demeans it with his presence.  

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30 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Isn't it refreshing, all these embarrassing contortions you're forced to perform?

-DSK

It might be embarrassing if I was the one making baseless claims like Trump saying he never had any dealings with Russia or knew any Russians but that would be you, so it's not.

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4 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Thanks Steam Flyer, that is the most complete and well documented link to the extensive connections with the Russians, especially Putin, going back decades.  Dog and the rest who defend him just read this timeline, then tell us again how he's had no dealings with Russians??

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2 minutes ago, Dog said:

It might be embarrassing if I was the one making baseless claims like Trump saying he never had any dealings with Russia or knew any Russians but that would be you, so it's not.

Y'know, there are a number of people whom I will take some time to prove things to. You're not one, and this isn't one of those issues. Everybody who watched Trump more than a few minutes out of the vast air time he occupied, heard him say words to the effect of what I stated. Many times, many times.

-DSK

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1 minute ago, Steam Flyer said:

Y'know, there are a number of people whom I will take some time to prove things to. You're not one, and this isn't one of those issues. Everybody who watched Trump more than a few minutes out of the vast air time he occupied, heard him say words to the effect of what I stated. Many times, many times.

-DSK

Now who's the contortionist?

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4 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Thanks Steam Flyer, that is the most complete and well documented link to the extensive connections with the Russians, especially Putin, going back decades.  Dog and the rest who defend him just read this timeline, then tell us again how he's had no dealings with Russians??

It still seems to be missing at least half a dozen things I know about from business press, like his feckless money-grubbing in Kazahkistan, or his attempt to snuggle up to Panama. Maybe if you follow the links enough, they come up.

But it doesn't matter. The more it's shown over and over in plain daylight, what a crook and a traitor Trump is, the more his supporters will yell FAKE NEWS and BENGHAZI and jam their heads further up their asses. Ryan and McConnell are fine with WINNING!! and for now, that's 'nuff said. Until a majority of Republicans decide that American principles are more important than hating whoever it is that they hate, personally, the country is headed down the tubes toward naked plutocracy, fascism, and eventual Balkanization. It might not even take that long, from here. It's depressing.

-DSK

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3 hours ago, Dog said:

I'm on record saying Donald Trump is unfit for the office he holds but that doesn't mean everything said about him is true.

And anyway, Clinton was worse.

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3 hours ago, Dog said:

Now who's the contortionist?

I'll take "Who is that guy on the internet who has insisted that there's no evidence of any collusion with Russia, and then turned around and says that Trump never said he never had any dealings in Russia," Alex

With Dog, you get two conflicting points of view at the same time...... it's so refreshing!

-DSK

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Drip, drip, drip............

http://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/politics/rick-gates-plea-deal-mueller-russia-investigation/

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Washington (CNN) Former Trump campaign adviser Rick Gates is finalizing a plea deal with special counsel Robert Mueller's office, indicating he's poised to cooperate in the investigation, according to sources familiar with the case.

Gates has already spoken to Mueller's team about his case and has been in plea negotiations for about a month. He's had what criminal lawyers call a "Queen for a Day" interview, in which a defendant answers any questions from the prosecutors' team, including about his own case and other potential criminal activity he witnessed.
Gates' cooperation could be another building block for Mueller in a possible case against President Donald Trump or key members of his team.
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Gates flipping is a big deal - facing 12 counts. He is young (45) with kids so doesn't want to spend the rest of life locked up.  It this is a nothingburger it's the biggest baddest one yet. 

Gates won't be the last to roll over either.  Mueller is following the trail through money laundering and it will eventually lead to Trump and his kids.  Poor Comrade Yakov's dreams are slip sliding away.

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20 minutes ago, warbird said:

You a clearly unaware of the concept of "the lesser of two evils"

How many porn actresses, beauty contestants, models have accused Hillary Clinton of sexual assault/harassment?

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2 hours ago, Sean said:

Gates' cooperation could be another building block for Mueller in a possible case against President Donald Trump or key members of his team.

Talk about an understatement. 

 

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5 hours ago, Sean said:

Drip, drip, drip............

http://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/politics/rick-gates-plea-deal-mueller-russia-investigation/

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Washington (CNN) Former Trump campaign adviser Rick Gates is finalizing a plea deal with special counsel Robert Mueller's office, indicating he's poised to cooperate in the investigation, according to sources familiar with the case.

Gates has already spoken to Mueller's team about his case and has been in plea negotiations for about a month. He's had what criminal lawyers call a "Queen for a Day" interview, in which a defendant answers any questions from the prosecutors' team, including about his own case and other potential criminal activity he witnessed.
Gates' cooperation could be another building block for Mueller in a possible case against President Donald Trump or key members of his team.

I just heard a little about this tonight on an interview.

The person questioned can reveal all, and not have it used against him.  If he lies, then all deals are off, and they CAN use it against him.  It actually encourages full disclosure, because if he omits an act, and it's found out later, it can be used against him.  So it benefits him to get it all out to protect himself.

I've never heard of that....

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A top Trump campaign adviser close to plea deal with Mueller

 

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Former Trump campaign adviser Rick Gates is finalizing a plea deal with special counsel Robert Mueller's office, indicating he's poised to cooperate in the investigation, according to sources familiar with the case.

Gates has already spoken to Mueller's team about his case and has been in plea negotiations for about a month. He's had what criminal lawyers call a "Queen for a Day" interview, in which a defendant answers any questions from the prosecutors' team, including about his own case and other potential criminal activity he witnessed.

 

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11 hours ago, d'ranger said:

Gates flipping is a big deal - facing 12 counts. He is young (45) with kids so doesn't want to spend the rest of life locked up.  It this is a nothingburger it's the biggest baddest one yet. 

Gates won't be the last to roll over either.  Mueller is following the trail through money laundering and it will eventually lead to Trump and his kids.  Poor Comrade Yakov's dreams are slip sliding away.

"rest of (his) life locked up"?  for what - ignoring fara and tax evasion?  not likely

he's flipping on manafort, not the donald. 

i don't think i've ever read anything relating gates and manafort to the donalds businesses, so not sure how their money laundering makes its way to the donald

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1 hour ago, hermetic said:

"rest of (his) life locked up"?  for what - ignoring fara and tax evasion?  not likely

he's flipping on manafort, not the donald. 

i don't think i've ever read anything relating gates and manafort to the donalds businesses, so not sure how their money laundering makes its way to the donald

Gates knows a lot about the money, where it comes from and who has touches on it. For a prosecutor it's 'pull the string' theory - you see that string, you keep pulling it and you might just pull out a tiger, or a donald.  For all those who think there is nothing there it's not understanding the process and how long it takes.  The drip is keeping a lot of people up at night.

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14 minutes ago, d'ranger said:

i don't think i've ever read anything relating gates and manafort to the donalds businesses, so not sure how their money laundering makes its way to the donald

Same here.

But let's say two high-level WH staffers get a coffee. Let's say they each run with their own fast and loose crowd in suits, so they both have money laundering needs. They toss things around in private. Later, one of them becomes Queen for a Day. The conversation is relayed...

If you pull on enough threads, there is no suit there.

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1 hour ago, hermetic said:

"rest of (his) life locked up"?  for what - ignoring fara and tax evasion?  not likely

he's flipping on manafort, not the donald. 

i don't think i've ever read anything relating gates and manafort to the donalds businesses, so not sure how their money laundering makes its way to the donald

Agreed. I think there are two issues, one is the issue of making a deal with the Feds so he goes to a nice country club type jail or if he gets turned over to a state with the case all locked up tight and he does hard time in Sing Sing or Angola or whereever the place is nowadays that you really really -don't- want to get sent. With this case, it's even worse because they could get handed over to Turkey as a political favor.... everybody who wants to experience a Turkish jail from the inside, raise your hand........ thought so

As to what the connection to President Trump and whether it involves the campaign...... dunno but it seems likely. Gates worked on the transition team and if he can fill in the blanks of those missing emails, you know the ones that make Vice President Pence invisible, then that will almost certainly lead to something bad.

Something bad enough for the Repubs in Congress to turn on Pence & Trump? I doubt that, but ya never know

-DSK

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2 hours ago, hermetic said:

"rest of (his) life locked up"?  for what - ignoring fara and tax evasion?  not likely

he's flipping on manafort, not the donald. 

i don't think i've ever read anything relating gates and manafort to the donalds businesses, so not sure how their money laundering makes its way to the donald

Gates knows a lot about the money, where it comes from and who has touches on it. For a prosecutor it's 'pull the string' theory - you see that string, you keep pulling it and you might just pull out a tiger, or a donald.  For all those who think there is nothing there it's not understanding the process and how long it takes.  The drip is keeping a lot of people up at night.

fine, but I still don't see a relationship between gates / manaforts past business and the donalds.  have you?

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5 minutes ago, hermetic said:

fine, but I still don't see a relationship between gates / manaforts past business and the donalds.  have you?

Did you read the timeline on the link provided by, I think it was, Steam Flyer??   All the links are there.

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7 minutes ago, Movable Ballast said:

Flip on what?

Manafort was busted for not filing as a foreign agent (a nothing burger)

I'm not sure. Like I said, it's just a guess. Manafort was a significant part of the effort to get 45 elected. If some unsavory things were happening with regard to Russians who were helping, Manafort would be aware of it. Let's not forget, he was in attendance at the infamous Trump Tower meeting with Jr, Kush and a bunch of Kremlin-connected Russians.

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7 minutes ago, Nice! said:

I'm not sure. Like I said, it's just a guess. Manafort was a significant part of the effort to get 45 elected. If some unsavory things were happening with regard to Russians who were helping, Manafort would be aware of it. Let's not forget, he was in attendance at the infamous Trump Tower meeting with Jr, Kush and a bunch of Kremlin-connected Russians.

The only unsavory things coming from Russia in 2016 were coming from HRC, GPS fusion and some "reliable" English prick.

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7 minutes ago, Movable Ballast said:

The only unsavory things coming from Russia in 2016 were coming from HRC, GPS fusion and some "reliable" English prick.

Oh, this again. Right, Hillary "colluded" with the Russians because she funded research that included talking to Russian people. Yah, because that totally fits the definition of collusion. Of course it does. Everybody is saying it. People tell me all the time. Believe me.

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Special counsel issues indictment against 13 Russian nationals over 2016 election interference

By Veronica Stracqualursi

 

Updated 1:04 PM ET, Fri February 16, 2018

 
 
Sources: Rick Gates close to plea deal 01:52

(CNN)A federal grand jury in the District of Columbia returned an indictment Friday against 13 Russian nationals and three Russian entities accused of violating US laws to interfere with US elections and political processes.

The indictment charges all of the defendants with conspiracy to defraud the United States, three defendants with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud, and five defendants with aggravated identity theft.
 
 
 
It will be interesting to see which of these folks are linked to the Trumpski crime family
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8 minutes ago, GOPClownCar said:

Special counsel issues indictment against 13 Russian nationals over 2016 election interference

By Veronica Stracqualursi

 

Updated 1:04 PM ET, Fri February 16, 2018

 
 
Sources: Rick Gates close to plea deal 01:52

(CNN)A federal grand jury in the District of Columbia returned an indictment Friday against 13 Russian nationals and three Russian entities accused of violating US laws to interfere with US elections and political processes.

The indictment charges all of the defendants with conspiracy to defraud the United States, three defendants with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud, and five defendants with aggravated identity theft.
 
 
 
It will be interesting to see which of these folks are linked to the Trumpski crime family

Looks like Mueller has made public another connection between the Trump 'tards and the Russians

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“Some Defendants, posing as US persons and without revealing their Russian association, communicated with unwitting individuals associated with the Trump Campaign,” the criminal complaint claims.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/mueller-indicts-13-russian-election-trolls?ref=home

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29 minutes ago, warbird said:

No.

yes.

see, that's why you're in the moron camp, and by a vast majority of rational metrics, you are morons. I'd like to see you try to contort yourself out from under that fact.

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2 hours ago, hermetic said:

outstanding work by mr mueller and his team.

Yep, he got Russian with illegal ID. 

well, up to today we were led to believe that the rooskies only spent a hundred something k on facebook.  now we know they've been into the social media since 2014 and have spent millions.

not sure how to stop it, and pretty sure none of the named rooskies will show up to court - but there will be a huge cry for the donald to impose the sanctions

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How about some cyber warfare - it worked pretty well against the Iran nuke facilities and I'm sure your people have gotten more skilled since then.

I'd be very surprised if Russian hackers are better than American - they've never been better than America at anything.

 

Well, they do make great vodka.

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10 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

How about some cyber warfare - it worked pretty well against the Iran nuke facilities and I'm sure your people have gotten more skilled since then.

I'd be very surprised if Russian hackers are better than American - they've never been better than America at anything.

 

Well, they do make great vodka.

Well, Russians tend to be better at writing long depressing novels, and playing chess....... but up until quite recently, being the melting pot and the welcoming upward-mobility capital of the world gave America a TREMENDOUS advantage, because smart capable people wanted to come here.

And now, less than an hours drive from my house, a supposedly world-class vodka distillery has opened..... http://www.socialhousevodka.com/

well, we do grow a lot of potatoes around here, gotta do something with 'em...... but maybe this is s sign of the upending of all we think we know?

-DSK

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It has got to be incredibily depressing to the lefty majority here that the recent indictments EXCLUDE Trump and his campaign in the "unwhitting" comments strewn thoughout the press releases.. The Drip, drip, drip is not the joyfull orgasmic ejaculatory bliss you wanked for. :D

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2 minutes ago, warbird said:

It has got to be incredibily depressing to the lefty majority here that the recent indictments EXCLUDE Trump and his campaign in the "unwhitting" comments strewn thoughout the press releases.. The Drip, drip, drip is not the joyfull orgasmic ejaculatory bliss you wanked for. :D

Watergate was just some burglars caught and arrested by the police one night. The cash in their pockets brought down the bigger fish. We'll wait.

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13 minutes ago, daddle said:

Watergate was just some burglars caught and arrested by the police one night. The cash in their pockets brought down the bigger fish. We'll wait.

No...the campaign was NoT involved..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, warbird said:
21 minutes ago, daddle said:

Watergate was just some burglars caught and arrested by the police one night. The cash in their pockets brought down the bigger fish. We'll wait.

No...the campaign was NoT involved..

Do tell.

You have insider information, or just making a declaration of faith?

-DSK

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19 minutes ago, warbird said:

No...the campaign was NoT involved..

Idiot burglars ===> cash in pockets ===> slush fund ===> Nixon Campaign. Direct connect the dots. It will be repeated here, as a farce. Give it a few days.

 

 

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I had a 4" well head fracture the other day. Not exactly sure why it did, it was inside a pump house, so I know it wasn't hit by a tractor by accident, but the geyser shot up about 20' (yes it blew part of the pump house roof off). I'm thinking that's the sort of "Drip, Drip, Drip" we're about to see......

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It's so cute how WB and MB think everything is a nothingburger and Hillary is the only person corrupt. Of course if you limit your news sources to the "Right Ones" it's easier to understand.  We know Trump is a crook as evidenced by his documented misrepresentations and endless contract disputes - the only thing left to find out is what can be proved. 

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1 hour ago, warbird said:

No...the campaign was NoT involved..

That reads as Nixon's campaign was not involved in Watergate.

Surely you didn't mean that?

I mean not even YOU are clueless enough to think that.

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2 hours ago, warbird said:

It has got to be incredibily depressing to the lefty majority here that the recent indictments EXCLUDE Trump and his campaign in the "unwhitting" comments strewn thoughout the press releases.. The Drip, drip, drip is not the joyfull orgasmic ejaculatory bliss you wanked for. :D

Is the investigation over? You might want to hold off on the celebrations just yet. Otherwise you'll be both depressed and covered in your own impotent ejaculate when Mueller drops the hammer. 

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5 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:

 impotent ejaculate

? :blink:

Warbird has been jerking off ever since Mueller's first indictment didn't target Trump directly. If what comes out that end is anything like what he spouts online, it has all the potency of a homoeopathic remedy. 

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An interesting theory -

https://www.justsecurity.org/52610/charging-mystery-russia-indictments-and-indication-mueller-investigation/

The special counsel’s indictment of Russian individuals and organizations brought campaign finance law for the first time into formal charges in the case. But this development came with a mystery. The indictment alleges facts that support charges of federal campaign finance law violations—such as the prohibition on foreign national contributions—but does not charge any such offenses. This is clearly not for want of evidence, since the indictment sets out in considerable detail the millions in foreign national spending to influence the 2016 election. Yet Bob Mueller omitted any direct charge for violations of the Federal Election Campaign Act.

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Mueller and his team may have concluded that straight statutory campaign finance allegations rest on too much untested ground and would complicate what may well be the next phase of their investigation.  This consideration would not affect the foreign national side of the case: Foreign nationals are plainly prohibited from spending in the manner detailed in the indictment. But how the law reaches American co-conspirators is less certain, and the special counsel’s theory of the case, pleading the campaign finance aspect of the case through conspiracy-to-defraud, may allow more securely for the prosecution of American actors.

In other words, if Mueller’s case for campaign finance violations affected only Russians, there would be no obvious reason to exclude Federal Election Campaign Act violations from the indictment. Russians spent substantial sums to influence an election, as expressly laid out in the charging document, and this is an unambiguous violation of federal law. If, however, Mueller possesses evidence of Americans’ complicity in these violations, he may have decided on a different theory of the campaign finance case that more reliably sweeps in U.S. citizen misconduct.

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The Mueller indictment is conceivably one way to solve this problem. It alleges a conspiracy to prevent the FEC from taking up and addressing the regulatory issues, and American co-conspirators may be brought in on any overt act in furtherance of this illegal scheme. Any U.S. citizen who intentionally supported the Russian electoral intervention could be liable. Examples would include U.S. citizens engaged in conversations like those in Trump Tower in summer of 2016, or Don, Jr.’s communications with WikiLeaks about the timing of the release of stolen emails.  The conspiracy to defraud the United States could also envelop any Americans who helped cover the Russians’ illegal electoral program by lying to federal authorities about the campaign’s Russian contacts.

The special counsel may well have concluded that he could deal with any instances of U.S. citizen complicity without getting bogged down in unresolved questions of what constitutes “soliciting” support or providing the foreign national with “substantial assistance.”  In sum, Mr. Mueller and his team may have adopted this theory of the case to facilitate the charging of Americans who helped their Russian allies interfere in the 2016 election.  This is most plausible solution to the Mueller indictment mystery. 

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13 Russians indicted/the scheme to undermine our democracy laid bare. What is this President/this Administration doing to retaliate (there are sanctions passed by Congress) or to prevent further harm from occurring by protecting upcoming elections? Nothing-not a thing. Why not?
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2 hours ago, Ishmael said:

Mueller's working quite quickly, don't you think? What is it now, 18 indictments involving Russian interference? Oh, just a nothingburger.

Happens to every administration. Everyone is saying it.

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On 2/15/2018 at 11:53 AM, Dog said:

I'll concede that he said he had never met Putin. 

Did he ever say he "never had any dealings with Russia" or that he didn't "know anybody in Russia"? He clearly did on both counts but neither of those things is criminal.

Is criminality your only concern factor??

if a person represents your political party is your rule, “The person can do anything, anytime, and say anything anytime so long as there is no specific law being broken.”????

i suppose this goes well with:

”Democrats are always wrong and will remain so until God speaks to me personally and while so doing indicates otherwise. “

Using $130,000 from a campaignnfund to pay off a hooker is criminal

Grabbing women by the pussy is criminal

Exposing classified intelligence operations to the Russians is criminal

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1 minute ago, Sean said:

Dog’s ok with being lied to, repeatedly, by the President of the United States. At least this particular President. 

 

Sure, this .POTUS is not a DemocRAT, he's an American.

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43 minutes ago, Gouvernail said:

Is criminality your only concern factor??

if a person represents your political party is your rule, “The person can do anything, anytime, and say anything anytime so long as there is no specific law being broken.”????

i suppose this goes well with:

”Democrats are always wrong and will remain so until God speaks to me personally and while so doing indicates otherwise. “

Using $130,000 from a campaignnfund to pay off a hooker is criminal

Grabbing women by the pussy is criminal

Exposing classified intelligence operations to the Russians is criminal

Point of order..... Is Rusty, or Dusty, or Smokey, or whatever her name is Daniels a "Hooker"?

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14 hours ago, Ishmael said:

Mueller's working quite quickly, don't you think? What is it now, 18 indictments involving Russian interference? Oh, just a nothingburger.

Russian interference!...Yeah that's a nothinburger, who didn't know that was going on? Obama didn't think it was worth his time. There never was any evidence to support the collusion fiction. People only believed it because it played to their confirmation bias, as intended. The entire thing is one big political dirty trick. An insurance policy, if you will.

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28 minutes ago, Dog said:

Russian interference!...Yeah that's a nothinburger, who didn't know that was going on? Obama didn't think it was worth his time. There never was any evidence to support the collusion fiction. People only believed it because it played to their confirmation bias, as intended. The entire thing is one big political dirty trick. An insurance policy, if you will.

Do you ever get the feeling that you might be on the wrong side of history?

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I'm thinking Mueller may be looking to pull a really dramatic moment.....

"Beware the ides of March..."

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1 minute ago, Mrleft8 said:

I'm thinking Mueller may be looking to pull a really dramatic moment.....

"Beware the ides of March..."

Maybe, but I suspect he's months away from a final report/indictments.

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