Fintho 67 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 The thing I've found the most surprising is the seeming lack of bunks for any kind of performance crew. Considering one of the big goals for the project is the Fastnet, I would have thought there would be some pipe cots etc. mentioned. Also as a racer, nothing is hurting my instincts more than him talking about piling weight and crew up forward in that private cabin, but i guess that's old boats for you. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beer fueled Mayhem 126 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 No matter the sink shape on my Wauquiez 42, if you are heeling to port anything over 10 degrees, you will fill up your freezer, fridge, etc. My waterline is about 6 inches below the sink drain. My kids have several jobs aboard the boat, the most important one is to close both head thru-hulls and that damn sink thru-hull!! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigrpowr 268 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 any idea how many degrees of heel this thing will see? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
allene222 79 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, bigrpowr said: any idea how many degrees of heel this thing will see? If you are having a pool, my $10 is on 90 degrees. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigrpowr 268 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, allene222 said: If you are having a pool, my $10 is on 90 degrees. that will be some kind of ugly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zonker 5,241 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 9 hours ago, MauiPunter said: This is resolved with a sloping sink (not flat bottom). Sure. Uh where do you buy a sloping bottom sink except a custom fab? Far better to design the galley properly and put the sink closer to center. The galley is way too far inboard as well. The depth outboard is excessive. With his layout part of the problem is multiple missions - cross oceans with a partner or small crew - cruise with a partner or a occasional crew? - racing from time to time. It does mean compromise on an interior. Workbenches are over-rated IMO. I had one and ended up doing a lot of work in the cockpit (better ventilation) or dining room table (small projects and a nice cushy seat. A place for a vise is important. A wee suggestion. Move the pilot berth and chart table a bit aft. Push dinette further to port. Make the galley U shaped and locate at least 1 sink close to centerline. Lots of room to get past the cook as well. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
allene222 79 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 1 hour ago, bigrpowr said: that will be some kind of ugly. I just think he made things too heavy up high. If he does make the keel bigger and heavier he might be fine but there is really a lot of weight up high and I think all he is doing is moving some existing ballast down a bit. I hope he has had someone do a stability analysis. But I have my popcorn ready for the launch nevertheless. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent 1,998 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 5 hours ago, Beer fueled Mayhem said: No matter the sink shape on my Wauquiez 42, if you are heeling to port anything over 10 degrees, you will fill up your freezer, fridge, etc. My waterline is about 6 inches below the sink drain. My kids have several jobs aboard the boat, the most important one is to close both head thru-hulls and that damn sink thru-hull!! That is what I was trying to explain but MauiPunter did not get it. I was not clear enough, I guess. I don't care what the shape of the bottom of the sink is, if the drain is low enough to get below the water line on one of the tacks, the sink will fill up with seawater coming from the drain, unless you close the thru-hull, and the sink is then by definition unusable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
t.rex 130 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 Nice fidgeting Zonker. It does solve the problem that we've all seen, by moving the sink closer to centerline. The slight downside is the pilot berth is getting further 'tucked away' in the technical area. I rather like Leo's solution for the focs'l and head area, very adaptable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DELETED 208 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 Gimbal sink anyone? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alphafb552 624 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 8 hours ago, Zonker said: Sure. Uh where do you buy a sloping bottom sink except a custom fab? Far better to design the galley properly and put the sink closer to center. The galley is way too far inboard as well. The depth outboard is excessive. With his layout part of the problem is multiple missions - cross oceans with a partner or small crew - cruise with a partner or a occasional crew? - racing from time to time. It does mean compromise on an interior. Workbenches are over-rated IMO. I had one and ended up doing a lot of work in the cockpit (better ventilation) or dining room table (small projects and a nice cushy seat. A place for a vise is important. A wee suggestion. Move the pilot berth and chart table a bit aft. Push dinette further to port. Make the galley U shaped and locate at least 1 sink close to centerline. Lots of room to get past the cook as well. Good ideas Zonks, but I think you may be underestimating how narrow the hull is at ‘floor level’. It’s no use pushing the counter outboard if you can’t stand right at it. Leo might be able to squeeze out more space by reducing headroom somewhat, but that brings its own penalty in comfort levels... These classic hull shapes offer a lot less interior space in all dimensions (except for bilge depth) compared to a modern hull of similar length. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MauiPunter 1,379 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 13 hours ago, Beer fueled Mayhem said: No matter the sink shape on my Wauquiez 42, if you are heeling to port anything over 10 degrees, you will fill up your freezer, fridge, etc. My waterline is about 6 inches below the sink drain. My kids have several jobs aboard the boat, the most important one is to close both head thru-hulls and that damn sink thru-hull!! Ah, ok. Yea, I always turned off my through hulls to the sinks before sailing on my old boat. There is no other solution to that problem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MauiPunter 1,379 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 7 hours ago, Laurent said: That is what I was trying to explain but MauiPunter did not get it. I was not clear enough, I guess. I don't care what the shape of the bottom of the sink is, if the drain is low enough to get below the water line on one of the tacks, the sink will fill up with seawater coming from the drain, unless you close the thru-hull, and the sink is then by definition unusable. Yup, I didnt realize you meant water coming up into the sink. I thought you meant draining. Sorry. You are right. We had to close the seacocks on my last boat before sailing on the kitchen sink. On our bathrooms sinks we put one way valves on them and that worked good for them to not fill with water. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zonker 5,241 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 5 hours ago, alphafb552 said: Good ideas Zonks, but I think you may be underestimating how narrow the hull is at ‘floor level’. It’s no use pushing the counter outboard if you can’t stand right at it. Yeah could well be. This is facing aft, galley area to left side of the frame. I thought it had more depth to the hull. He had to use some pretty big deck beams. Maybe carbon fiber would have been shallower 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Keffer 69 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 On MIT's boat Mashnee, the bottom of the sink is about 1 inch above the waterline. With a full crew on board, you have to get everyone on the starboard side to do the dishes. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beer fueled Mayhem 126 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 Heading to Hawaii and playing the sink draining game after doing dishes! I have a pump on the sink now when we are sailing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MauiPunter 1,379 Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 8 hours ago, Beer fueled Mayhem said: Heading to Hawaii and playing the sink draining game after doing dishes! I have a pump on the sink now when we are sailing. This is why some sinks drain into a sump box, and then pumped overboard. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheDragon 898 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 Some minor tweaks to the interior design, but no consideration of the sink issue. As someone completely clueless about wooden boats, I'm enjoying the fact that AtA is at a similar build stage so one can see two different approaches to almost everything, like the bulkheads currently. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foiling Optimist 361 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Leo addresses the U-shaped kitchen issue and indeed it won't work because the floor is has to be low because of the lack of a raised cabin roof. I suppose it's a slippery slope from needing a bit more width to ending up in a Bayliner. He also says there will be access hatches for the port side of the engine. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zonker 5,241 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Not surprising his final layout came very close to my suggestions. Great minds etc. 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
climenuts 240 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Stan Honey has an interesting solution to the sink draining problem. Diaphragm pump with spring return under the sink operated with a line. Stops the sink flooding when the thru-hull is open and pumps out painlessly. http://honeynav.com/emptying-sink-when-under-sail-new-counter/ 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elegua 1,843 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 51 minutes ago, climenuts said: Stan Honey has an interesting solution to the sink draining problem. Diaphragm pump with spring return under the sink operated with a line. Stops the sink flooding when the thru-hull is open and pumps out painlessly. http://honeynav.com/emptying-sink-when-under-sail-new-counter/ I put one of those in - works a charm. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PaulK 596 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 7 hours ago, Zonker said: Not surprising his final layout came very close to my suggestions. Great minds etc. Physics and logic too? No two things can occupy the same place at the same time, and you need the galley to be close to the dining area. Navigator has to be able to communicate with the helm, and sleepers want to be off someplace where they won't be bothered until it's their watch. In a boat this narrow there are only so many options. Though Leo does mention that he got helpful suggestions Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwoLegged 2,238 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 The title of this week's video vaguely hints that it may be something to do with bulkheads ... Plus, Leo is auctioning off his uber-cute sailing gaff-rigged dinghy, with half the proceeds going to https://rockingtheboat.org/ 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwoLegged 2,238 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Bidding for Leo's dinghy has already topped $10,000, on day one. https://www.ebay.com/itm/154635471006 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socalrider 693 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 What a fun episode to watch - great to see so much progress now, and great music too. So impressed with Leo & his team. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Mid 4,402 Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 On 10/3/2021 at 10:24 AM, TwoLegged said: Bidding for Leo's dinghy has already topped $10,000, on day one. https://www.ebay.com/itm/154635471006 slowed a tad now 10 four 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Presuming Ed 270 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJohnB 360 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Obviously they have got a other leak!!!!! Still waiting (2 months) for episode 37 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Omer 37 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Never mind the dinghy... I am wondering how many thousands (millions) of dollars will have been spent by the time she is ready to sail. A- Excluding Leo's work and time and expertise. B- If all of this work was done by a professional boat builder. C - What would be the sale price once she is finished? D- How many years it shall take to charter/ pleasure use to break even including the maintenance and depreciation. My good guess for item D is another 100+ years. For which the boat is re-built for. :-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rain Man 1,965 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, Omer said: Never mind the dinghy... I am wondering how many thousands (millions) of dollars will have been spent by the time she is ready to sail. A- Excluding Leo's work and time and expertise. B- If all of this work was done by a professional boat builder. C - What would be the sale price once she is finished? D- How many years it shall take to charter/ pleasure use to break even including the maintenance and depreciation. My good guess for item D is another 100+ years. For which the boat is re-built for. :-) Wasn't there a time when boats like this were routinely built and sailed? What has changed is that the ability to do this kind of skilled work, and the materials needed, have become so rare that the value has skyrocketed. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Omer 37 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Once there were wooden ships and iron seaman. Then came the iron ships manned by wooden men. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Omer 37 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 19 minutes ago, Rain Man said: Wasn't there a time when boats like this were routinely built and sailed? What has changed is that the ability to do this kind of skilled work, and the materials needed, have become so rare that the value has skyrocketed. Not only that. The skilled labor who created these wonderful crafts had a happy fulfilled lives earning a decent life. They did not need to purchase and live in a house costing 1M dollars. They did not have to drive a Tesla car etc. etc.etc. ... The greediness and consumerism of the modern world needs an eagle to feed. My best wishes for courageous Leo.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mid 4,402 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Left Shift 3,617 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 On 10/18/2021 at 9:09 AM, Omer said: Once there were wooden ships and iron seaman. Then came the iron ships manned by wooden men. Now there are carbon-based ships sailed by carbon-based women. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mid 4,402 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Dinghy For Sale - https://olympic.craigslist.org/boa/d/... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MauiPunter 1,379 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Mid said: Dinghy For Sale - https://olympic.craigslist.org/boa/d/... JFC. What kind of yellow bellied low life pulled that shit? That huge bid killed the auction. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mid 4,402 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 15 minutes ago, MauiPunter said: That huge bid killed the auction. indeed and Leo showed his character by going ahead with the promised donation . 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
t.rex 130 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 EPISODE 109 We’ve been busy! In this episode, we finish a bunch of big jobs that we’ve been working on for a while. All the athwartship bulkheads are now installed, the Mast Partner has been bolted into the deck structure and carved out to accept the mast, and the final Teak plank of the Transom has been made and fastened! In addition to this, I spent some days at our previous location in Sequim, sorting and removing some large piles of timber and catching up with Pancho. Rowan gets go grips with the TIG welder and makes a fancy bronze bracket for one of our bulkheads, and Nina joins us to help varnish the Transom. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foiling Optimist 361 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Leo resolved the dinghy saga as someone bought it for more than the donation amount. He has all his deck materials now since someone reached out who could help with his Canadian Softwood Lumber longest running western world trade dispute import issues for the yellow cedar. So it looks like they are in great shape for the next while. Not that we expected anything less, but the extent to which skilled and knowledgeable people are willing to help out with this project is amazing. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
knot him 22 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Here and Now It isn't the possible cost of two million dollars or the likely two million man hours worked nor the potential two million views this project might receive but the fact that it is happening at all.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
P_Wop 3,413 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 An idea It's long been a tradition to put a coin under the heel of the mast when stepping it for the first time. I propose to give Leo a 1910 British gold sovereign for Tally Ho, funded by his many friends here. Looking at eBay and talking to local coin specialists, the cost would be $550-$650. Since I am exceptionally broke right now due to terrible medical costs, I'm suggesting that any of you guys who are interested could Venmo or PayPal me a small amount. Once the total sum is reached, I will buy the coin and send it to Leo as a gift from all of us. If you send me more than the total needed, I will make the excess a donation to his fund, perhaps for some deadeyes or a gaff jaw or a brass barometer. Anyone who thinks this is a good idea and would like to contribute, just say "Yea" on this thread and I will PM you the payment details. Cheers, JGW, aka P_Wop 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sledracr 907 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 "yea:, count me in for $50. Cool idea. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socalrider 693 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 I like the idea as well, but I’d check w Leo before buying. He might already have an idea - could always donate the $$ if so. Happy to contribute. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
P_Wop 3,413 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 2 hours ago, socalrider said: I like the idea as well, but I’d check w Leo before buying. He might already have an idea - could always donate the $$ if so. Happy to contribute. I just sent him an email to see if he might already have one. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
P_Wop 3,413 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 2 hours ago, sledracr said: "yea:, count me in for $50. Cool idea. Thanks, old mate. However your message box refused to listen to me. Email me at [email protected] Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sledracr 907 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 19 minutes ago, P_Wop said: However your message box refused to listen to me. Sorry about that! Cleared out some old threads, should work now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MauiPunter 1,379 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 I'm down for the fiddy bux. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Sox 1,125 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Delighted and honoured to contribute 50 of your colonial currency units. I could pay in coloured beads if you’d prefer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
P_Wop 3,413 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Hi, guys. Leo let me know that he already has a coin for the mast step. "Great minds, etc..." what what he said in his email. So I'd suggest your kind donations should go into his general fund. That is unless someone can think of another fine SA gift. As before, I'm happy to administer. Thanks to those who have stepped up. It's a great thing he's doing. Cheers, J 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sledracr 907 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 12 hours ago, P_Wop said: It's a great thing he's doing. Thanks, J. I think it's great, too, and have thrown a little "spare" cash at the effort from time to time, I'll make sure to up if by 50 on your behalf this time. _/)_ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jeffrey Malter 0 Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 Jordan, one of Leo's frame-raising volunteers, has made a replica 1908 sovereign coin. It's cast from one of Tally Ho's original bronze fastenings. https://youtu.be/A1o3ynX_H-g Quote Link to post Share on other sites
t.rex 130 Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 . EPISODE 110 Lots of progress on the boat this week - Firstly, the guys fill the bilge with hot pitch, followed by some cement! Although slightly disconcerting at first, cement is actually a really useful material in boatbuilding. Richard has been working on the Bulwark Staunchions, which are made of White Oak and will support the Bulwarks, a kind of fence around the perimeter of the deck. Pete has been making the aftermost deck beam, or transom cleat, which will support the end of the deck strakes. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mid 4,402 Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mid 4,402 Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 “Believe me, my young friend, there is nothing–absolutely nothing–half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats.” One Life Time ain't enough ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mid 4,402 Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 Stanchions see all that work with electrical tools ??? now imagine back in the day .... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
P_Wop 3,413 Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 18 hours ago, Mid said: Stanchions see all that work with electrical tools ??? now imagine back in the day .... When I was a nipper in Cowes I remember an old gaffer working at Coles' Yard. He'd calmly and almost incomprehensibly talk to you with the tiniest stub of a roll-up fag (cigarette) dangling on his bottom lip, as he sharpened his pencil underfoot with an adze. Without looking. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foiling Optimist 361 Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 22 hours ago, Mid said: Stanchions see all that work with electrical tools ??? now imagine back in the day .... Watch any old industrial video and it's shocking how many people were employed for manufacturing. There's a wartime British shipbuilding film on YouTube where they stick one end of a ~50' steel beam into a furnace to heat it up for bending on a giant table. They pick the bar with a crane away from center so as to get more in the furnace and to counterweight it they just get like 15 guys to jump up and sit on the short end. Madness. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socalrider 693 Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Foiling Optimist said: Watch any old industrial video and it's shocking how many people were employed for manufacturing. There's a wartime British shipbuilding film on YouTube where they stick one end of a ~50' steel beam into a furnace to heat it up for bending on a giant table. They pick the bar with a crane away from center so as to get more in the furnace and to counterweight it they just get like 15 guys to jump up and sit on the short end. Madness. Movable ballast! Just like yacht racing really. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hobot 4,396 Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 21 minutes ago, socalrider said: Movable ballast! Just like yacht racing really. Hike you Bitches HIIIKE! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rain Man 1,965 Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 Old mate of mine was a carpenter/joiner who couldn't write his own name or do math. He dropped out of school very young. He had a unique talent - when he wanted to cut a curved piece of wood to fit into a boat he would just look at it, draw a line on the wood and cut. It fit every time. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foiling Optimist 361 Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 14 hours ago, hobot said: Hike you Bitches HIIIKE! Best part of this year's Fastnet was Apivia, with two guys on board, trolling Skorpios on Instagram about how much food they must be carrying with their crew of 25 or whatever it was. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChiGuy 14 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 I wonder how many man-days it took to build the original Tally Ho Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Soton_Speed 11 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 On 11/24/2021 at 6:58 AM, ChiGuy said: I wonder how many man-days it took to build the original Tally Ho If Leo hasn't done it already this needs to be at least a segment if not an episode on a comparison between modern and original construction techiques... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boink 838 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 6 hours ago, Soton_Speed said: If Leo hasn't done it already this needs to be at least a segment if not an episode on a comparison between modern and original construction techiques... Why? Leo has referred to this several times over the years. Technology has changed, but this boat is still being made by hand. However, the imperative and motivation back then, was and is not, the imperative and motivation now. Tally Ho was built based around a boat language and knowledge derived from commercial designs, but it was to be used for private and pleasure purposes. Bear in mind it was still being built by the minds and hands of those who only knew about building for a mostly commercial realm. There is no comparison for that, now or then. Back then a boat was not considered likely to last for 50 years. Without the forecasting and navigation technology we have now, luck and experience played a much greater role. Utterly different mindset, expectation and utility. Boating for pleasure was basically non existent and at best a daytime pursuit. Yards would know that a certain tonnage or size of vessel would take X months to complete. But that would be for commercial fishing, cargo or pilot type boats. No such benchmark for "Racing Yachts". They weren't building pianos. The imperative for Leo remains to make the 2025 Fastnet race to honour the Centenary of winning it. The quality issue will be as much about doing it right this time to ensure ongoing longevity and moreover pass the scrutiny of the Patrons and viewers who are funding this project. Leo has very cleverly and graciously achieved all this and more. Admirers have been cultivated, naysayers defeated, and a documentary series to rival any big budget production is both the vehicle to enable this as well as being a by-product. We are all privileged to witness such productivity, creativity and craftsmanship. Also to be thankful for both the wisdom and foresight of the Albert Strange Society and Leo's previous Sequim hosts who enabled this dream to gather the momentum that has made it a reality. Good on you Leo and your closely held community. 14 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Soton_Speed 11 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 9 hours ago, Boink said: Why? To 'show and tell' how the technology has changed and has enabled this project in the first place. It's an excellent teaching history moment to the wider world and those outside the sailing community - YouTube is available to anyone with a half decent internet connection. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sledracr 907 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 5 hours ago, Soton_Speed said: To 'show and tell' how the technology has changed I think it's an interesting idea, too. I mean, there've been myriad examples where old and new have gotten blended together along the way... things like rough-trimming the keel timber with an adze (a millenia-long traditional technique) and then cleaning it up with a hand-held power-planer. Simiar (in reverse) for fairing the hull - rough-faired with power-planer, then long-boarded by hand. Etc. While the planks were being prepared, for example, they used a power-planer to shape the inboard faces of the planks to match the convex face of the frames... and I remember wondering how (or if) they did that in the old days. In fact, I had the same kinds of questions about the frames themselves... why use trunnels to join the futtocks, as opposed to some more modern method (biscuits and epoxy? Or maybe a glued spline, as he used on the transom planks?)? So, yeah, I think it'd be interesting to hear Leo talk about why he chose certain (old or new) techniques in different scenarios, and how the modern technique differs from more traditional methods. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
t.rex 130 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 . . EPISODE 111 It’s time to line out TALLY HO's deck planking - deciding the positions and sizes of all the deck strakes, the cover boards, the king planks, and so on. To figure this out we take a look at a wide variety of different wooden boat decks in the yard, consider the different parts, and then draw the layout on the deck planks using battens. I also take a quick weekend break sailing the beautiful schooner MARTHA around the San Juan islands, and we take a look down below and meet her captain. Back in the yard, in the midst of a storm, we receive a large delivery - the Alaskan Yellow Cedar for TALLY HO’s deck! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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TwoLegged 2,238 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 On 11/9/2021 at 5:53 AM, P_Wop said: Leo let me know that he already has a coin for the mast step. "Great minds, etc..." what what he said in his email. So I'd suggest your kind donations should go into his general fund. That is unless someone can think of another fine SA gift. As before, I'm happy to administer. Thanks to those who have stepped up. It's a great thing he's doing. I am glad that Leo has a coin being custom made, but I really really liked the idea of Sailing Anarchy contributing some memorable part of Tally Ho. Many of us here on SA have gotten huge pleasure from watching Leo's videos, and the prominent billing which Tally Ho has gotten on the front page of this website has been a significant part of raising the project's profile. So it would be lovely to have some permanent physical part of Tally Ho that could be "the bit that SA donated". @P_Wop's idea of the coin was great: highly symbolic, and permanent. Can anyone think of anything else that could be funded by SA which is also symbolic and permanent? I thought of a few functional parts: bow roller, masthead fitting, windlass, tiller. But maybe something more ornamental would be better, or maybe something bigger? What does anyone else think of the idea of an SA-donated part of Tally Ho? If enough people are interested, we could ask Leo what he would like. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PaulK 596 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 Did Leo say the original ship's bell was already on hand? Something like that, or a binnacle, or the galley stove might be useful and not something he'd make himself in the shop. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
P_Wop 3,413 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 I was thinking that a nice barograph in a mahogany case would be a fine gift. We can make up an engraved brass plate, "From your friends at S.A." or something. Perhaps this one? About $1100. https://www.naudet.com/compact-barograph-deluxe-version-c2x17630766 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socalrider 693 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 Nice ideas! What’s the name of the bit that goes on the tip of the bowsprit? Remember a discussion on this from the Carbon Cutters… 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PaulK 596 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 12 minutes ago, P_Wop said: I was thinking that a nice barograph in a mahogany case would be a fine gift. We can make up an engraved brass plate, "From your friends at S.A." or something. Perhaps this one? About $1100. https://www.naudet.com/compact-barograph-deluxe-version-c2x17630766 Would have to change the handle to fit with the décor and to get the period feel right. A good option. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Presuming Ed 270 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 43 minutes ago, socalrider said: Nice ideas! What’s the name of the bit that goes on the tip of the bowsprit? Remember a discussion on this from the Carbon Cutters… Cranse iron 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blitz 122 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 Isn't it traditional to have a star on them? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
See Level 1,171 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 Think he'd go for it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mid 4,402 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 TALLY HO’S “REBUILD WISHLIST” https://sampsonboat.co.uk/support/tally-hos-rebuild-wishlist/ 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwoLegged 2,238 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 15 minutes ago, Mid said: TALLY HO’S “REBUILD WISHLIST” https://sampsonboat.co.uk/support/tally-hos-rebuild-wishlist/ Thanks, @Mid. This section looks to me like the bit we are after: OTHER BOAT PARTS; Certain boat parts from the correct period could be used for Tally Ho’s rebuild. Very few of her original fittings remain. Please get in touch if you have something you would like to contribute. @P_Wop, since this is a development of your idea, and you have already been in contact with Leo ... would you like to ask him for suggestions? I am happy to do it myself if you prefer, but I don't want it to look like I am muscling in. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mid 4,402 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 I'll follow along , got a couple of oxfords for the final idea oxfords > Oxford Scholars > Dollars . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mid 4,402 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 Leo also may like to think about a bronze engraved donors plague permanently attached to Tally Ho ????? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socalrider 693 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 15 minutes ago, Mid said: Leo also may like to think about a bronze engraved donors plague permanently attached to Tally Ho ????? Yeah, or carving names into bulkheads or something. Would be cooler to provide something of actual use though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mid 4,402 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 1 minute ago, socalrider said: Would be cooler to provide something of actual use though. was actually thinking both 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwoLegged 2,238 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 28 minutes ago, Mid said: Leo also may like to think about a bronze engraved donors plague permanently attached to Tally Ho ????? By now, the list of people who have contributed time, money, facilities or materials must run into the thousands. A bronze engraved donors plaque which could actually fit all the names would be humongous, and grave offence could be caused to the people that would inevitably be left out ('cos Leo won't recall everyone). 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Presuming Ed 270 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 Given how often this place turns to shit, surely the only option is: 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwoLegged 2,238 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 14 minutes ago, Presuming Ed said: Given how often this place turns to shit, surely the only option is: Ah, Ed ... I have faith that most of us can rise a bit above the worst of this place.
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