LCS Carbon 176 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, I14RACER said: Nope. When I try to watch it on YouTube it says it’s restricted. Because in my region someone is broadcasting it. Except that is NBC Sports Gold. Bummer. Simple solution is to VPN. But maybe you are not familiar with this? You could download "EPIC" browser and once installed, click the little icon on the right of the toolbar end of red arrow in first image. Select ON and France. Then go to youtube. don't log in if you have a google account. Search "Americas Cup" Select video you want to watch. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Windskip 16 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 hours ago, I14RACER said: It’s not available. It’s blocked due to region. That’s why you use a VPN set to a non-US location, which works just fine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rennmaus 3,063 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 12 minutes ago, Flags said: Simple solution is to VPN. But maybe you are not familiar with this? You could download "EPIC" browser and once installed, click the little icon on the right of the toolbar end of red arrow in first image. Select ON and France. Then go to youtube. don't log in if you have a google account. Search "Americas Cup" Select video you want to watch. This is very cool. Was the other browser with built-in VPN Opera? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boybland 560 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 hours ago, Amati said: We’re back to full keel boats then. Without ballast. Yay! I wonder if AM thought they were owning NZ, color-wise? Where would that come from? Well at least the patch ETNZ built for them will match... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
southseasbill 159 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 hours ago, Amati said: We’re back to full keel boats then. Without ballast. Yay! I wonder if AM thought they were owning NZ, color-wise? Where would that come from? If Amway win and they do go to real sail boats (instead of pond skimmers), my dream would be a scaled up NZ L class mullet boat to say 120' LoA including bow sprit. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 2,265 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 54 minutes ago, Brutal said: The rumor mill says launch and test on Wednesday, shakedown and train on Thursday and race on Friday. Is that "real news"? I have no idea. I guess we'll find out on Wednesday... Curious too if it’s “real news” or not, maybe it’s just their target goal? Any test sessions will be hugely-hugely important for debugging the newly installed systems, if they go out for Races 1 and 2 fresh out of the box I seriously doubt they’d complete either Race! Here’s hoping... Would be good to see racing this weekend. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Indio 960 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 The AM sailing team is probably flat out on the simulator... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The_Alchemist 1,426 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 3 hours ago, I14RACER said: It’s not available. It’s blocked due to region. I use the free urban VPN plugin in firefox. I turn it on using New Zealand for the location and then i can watch all of the AC Youtube vides's live. PM me if you want more details. I only use the VPN for the AC videos, not anything that is confidential, that is also why I use a secondary browser and turn it off when I am done. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LCS Carbon 176 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Rennmaus said: This is very cool. Was the other browser with built-in VPN Opera? Probably yes, I think Firefox also Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dullers 467 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 5 hours ago, kenergy said: The sooner we figure out that it's not a political issue the better. Like most things in nature, current virus included, the climate doesn't give a fuck who you voted for. I dont give a fuck if it rains or snows on you either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
See Level 1,171 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 3 hours ago, southseasbill said: If Amway win and they do go to real sail boats (instead of pond skimmers), my dream would be a scaled up NZ L class mullet boat to say 120' LoA including bow sprit. Something like this then 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dullers 467 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 5 hours ago, pusslicker said: What socialists? We all live in the same western democracies and I haven't seen any fucking socialism whatsoever. Unless you count rich fucks getting bailed out by the tax payers every time they over do it. At the moment my socialist government is spending my money on collapsing the economy over a nasty flew. They are not spending their money but my money. After we have bankrupted the country they will want more of my money. That is socialism. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
I14RACER 187 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 2 hours ago, The_Alchemist said: I use the free urban VPN plugin in firefox. I turn it on using New Zealand for the location and then i can watch all of the AC Youtube vides's live. PM me if you want more details. I only use the VPN for the AC videos, not anything that is confidential, that is also why I use a secondary browser and turn it off when I am done. Cool! I’ll DM you soon about this. I have Apple devices and a work laptop. Worried about any work laptop getting a virus. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pusslicker 664 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 24 minutes ago, dullers said: At the moment my socialist government is spending my money on collapsing the economy over a nasty flew. They are not spending their money but my money. After we have bankrupted the country they will want more of my money. That is socialism. I guess it's socialism in a Trumpian sort of non-thinking way. 4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JJD 209 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, dullers said: ....a nasty flew... Oh dear. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Varan 2,134 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 4 hours ago, Windskip said: That’s why you use a VPN set to a non-US location, which works just fine. I find servers in Canada work extremely well. Not much traffic and relatively low latency. Way better than the NZ and UK servers I tried. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 2,265 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 35 minutes ago, I14RACER said: I have Apple devices and a work laptop. Please post if you get Opera with the free VPN downloaded to an iPhone or iPad. The default (as you know) is Safari and I have not tried anything else - cheers. Not going there with any of my Win10 work setups.. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mako23 632 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, dullers said: At the moment my socialist government is spending my money on collapsing the economy over a nasty flew. They are not spending their money but my money. After we have bankrupted the country they will want more of my money. That is socialism. Swine Flu was a nasty flu and I had the displeasure of seeing my father die from it. Covid is a lot worse than swine flu. It is a pandemic that has taken two million lives. Your caviller attitude does these people an injustice. Of that two boats million there is 99,000 British dead. A death toll for the UK that only has been surpassed by the world wars. There a lot of people suffering in England now and all you seem to be worried about is your fucken money. 13 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Monkey 2,375 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 5 hours ago, southseasbill said: If Amway win and they do go to real sail boats (instead of pond skimmers), my dream would be a scaled up NZ L class mullet boat to say 120' LoA including bow sprit. I’d vote to bring back the J Class rule just for fun. I’m not saying they have to look like the classics, just measure to the rule. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uflux 662 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 2 hours ago, dullers said: At the moment my socialist government is spending my money on collapsing the economy over a nasty flew. They are not spending their money but my money. After we have bankrupted the country they will want more of my money. That is socialism. 13 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MaxHugen 1,136 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 10 hours ago, strider470 said: So the YouTube full live coverage is not available in the US? Here in Italy it is also broadcast for free on the public TV service (RAI). I remember Patrizio Bertelli insisted that the event would have been free for everyone, and I thought it was worldwide. No, despite original claims, certainly not free in Australia and various other countries. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nav 591 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Am are not waiting until being pulled down the harbour to start debugging the newly wired 'set-up'. They said they had the boat turned on, with a heartbeat as TH put it about 3 days ago. Probably not finished then electrically or in any other way but sounds like they are working well and on schedule so far. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jaysper 1,264 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 8 minutes ago, nav said: Am are not waiting until being pulled down the harbour to start debugging the newly wired 'set-up'. They said they had the boat turned on, with a heartbeat as TH put it about 3 days ago. Probably not finished then electrically or in any other way but sounds like they are working well and on schedule so far. They are due out on the water tomorrow, correct? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Amati 1,851 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Ken Read said something to effect he’d never seen a boat jump up in the air like AM did. Maybe he meant a boat that big? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Barnyb 637 Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 American Magic The renewal of PATRIOT reaches an important stage as the tenting for the painting process goes up around the AC75. Any color you want... as long as its AwlGrip HDT ultra-high performance finish in Flag Blue! 10 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Piet56 202 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 On 1/23/2021 at 10:28 PM, dullers said: I agree, I am being blamed for slavery, The British Empire, gender issues and being nasty to the environment. I have no idea where I am going to get the time to sort this out. My Great Grandfather...what a bastard! Your's as well?? Who would have thought dullers...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Barnyb 637 Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 American Magic Rigger Dan Spratley (center) and shore crew Shaun Mason (top) fitting out a bowsprit bob stay for PATRIOT, in another sign that her next sailing session is coming soon. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WakaNZ 180 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 26 minutes ago, Barnyb said: American Magic Rigger Dan Spratley (center) and shore crew Shaun Mason (top) fitting out a bowsprit bob stay for PATRIOT, in another sign that her next sailing session is coming soon. I hope they come out and take race one, really spice this shit up again. 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hydrobalus 3 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 On 1/17/2021 at 10:05 AM, RMac said: The tack was the right choice tactically for sure, no one can possibly argue otherwise. This was a boat handling issue. If the gybe was so much safer, why did LR tack as well? LR was behind, so risk taking is justified. They are willing to trade safety for a tactical advantage. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
I14RACER 187 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 If American Magic wins they should switch to these boats. This is what I race for 8 weekends in the summer. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mako23 632 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 With the paint going into American Magic it does seem that we will see her on the water soon. If the winds are high it will be hard for Prada to beat her. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MaxHugen 1,136 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 33 minutes ago, Barnyb said: American Magic The renewal of PATRIOT reaches an important stage as the tenting for the painting process goes up around the AC75. Any color you want... as long as its AwlGrip HDT ultra-high performance finish in Flag Blue! Are you sure that's not the new caterpillar drive, from Red October? 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MaxHugen 1,136 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, I14RACER said: If American Magic wins they should switch to these boats. This is what I race for 8 weekends in the summer. Looks like a hoot! Do they also throw half the crew overboard when the wind gets light? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mako23 632 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Wind forecast for Friday , Saturday and Sunday ....very light winds https://www.windfinder.com/forecast/auckland Prada weather 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Latadjust 213 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 7 minutes ago, I14RACER said: If American Magic wins they should switch to these boats. This is what I race for 8 weekends in the summer. Hey, I remember seeing those in my favorite book growing up, "Men, Ships and the Sea", cool 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pusslicker 664 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 On 1/23/2021 at 3:28 PM, dullers said: I agree, I am being blamed for slavery, The British Empire, gender issues and being nasty to the environment. I have no idea where I am going to get the time to sort this out. My Great Grandfather...what a bastard! You Trumptards are really taking this victim thing to the next level. Grow a fucking pair for the love of Jesus. 4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobG 816 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 On 1/18/2021 at 4:05 AM, RMac said: If the gybe was so much safer, why did LR tack as well? LR was well to leeward, its tack was from a lot further out so more time to steady before the bear away (link). Though it did tack twice so I guess came in on much the same approach as AM. LR coming up the course on port Still on port, about to tack and give plenty of room to avoid AM on bear away. Tacked, leaving room 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pusslicker 664 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 18 minutes ago, Latadjust said: Hey, I remember seeing those in my favorite book growing up, "Men, Ships and the Sea", cool Thanks for reminding me of that one. One of my favorites. Just ordered it for nostalgia's sake. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
I14RACER 187 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 41 minutes ago, MaxHugen said: Looks like a hoot! Do they also throw half the crew overboard when the wind gets light? Gotta finish with everything you start with. Crew and equipment. We had a boat break their main mast (the rear one) that decided to sling it to ten deck and finish with one. They finished DFL, but they finished. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waterboy42 49 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 5 hours ago, See Level said: Something like this then Apparently, these were really cheap, easy to build and offered great ease of entry for new teams into the Cup environment at the time.... The AC has never been about egalitarian participation.. It is a brute force, dramatic clash of massive ego's, budgets, technology, sailors and lawyers and George Schuyler's Deed of Gift has spit roasted any Billionaires attempt's to subvert it to another purpose. There are plenty of other fair but dull regattas around the world for people to watch (that don't), but we are all entranced by it because it is a horse that can never be tamed and long may that continue. 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kenergy 622 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 6 hours ago, dullers said: I dont give a fuck if it rains or snows on you either. Of course you dont. Seems like the only person you give a fuck about is you. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Barnyb 637 Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 Rumour: measurement is tomorrow (Wednesday NZT) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kenergy 622 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, Barnyb said: Rumour: measurement is tomorrow (Wednesday NZT) Dont both boats have to be measured tomorrow? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NSP 208 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 It's not exactly a rumor when it's written in the rules that it will be done by 3pm on Wednesday 27 January. No one is measuring in any earlier than they need to 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Barnyb 637 Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 7 minutes ago, NSP said: It's not exactly a rumor when it's written in the rules that it will be done by 3pm on Wednesday 27 January. No one is measuring in any earlier than they need to But it is rumoured that AM is ready to be measured (remember the off they had?) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kenergy 622 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, Barnyb said: But it is rumoured that AM is ready to be measured (remember the off they had?) If they are not ready to be measured tomorrow then they wont be racing on friday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
barfy 1,302 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 7 hours ago, Varan said: I find servers in Canada work extremely well. Not much traffic and relatively low latency. Way better than the NZ and UK servers I tried. It's due to the low temperature of the interweby lines. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pertsa 269 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 3 hours ago, I14RACER said: If American Magic wins they should switch to these boats. This is what I race for 8 weekends in the summer. What they are doing there, polishing their pants? From this book: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dullers 467 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 8 hours ago, JJD said: Oh dear. Average age of death from covid in the UK is 82. Google is your friend. https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000j50w/question-time-2020-14052020 Go to Luke Johnston. As of may 2020 350 people below 60 had died. We lose 400 people a year to drowning. I dont know the numbers for below 60 now as information and facts are hard to come by. In 1969 we had a mayor flu outbreak that killed thousands more than is normal. If you want to hide away from life dont let me stop you but i am not interested in loosing my freedom to eak out a few more years on this earth. “Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.” — William Pitt the Younger — Speech in the House of Commons (18 November, 1783). 3 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dullers 467 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 7 hours ago, mako23 said: Swine Flu was a nasty flu and I had the displeasure of seeing my father die from it. Covid is a lot worse than swine flu. It is a pandemic that has taken two million lives. Your caviller attitude does these people an injustice. Of that two boats million there is 99,000 British dead. A death toll for the UK that only has been surpassed by the world wars. There a lot of people suffering in England now and all you seem to be worried about is your fucken money. That fuken money pays for our welfare infrastructures. If we are broke we wont have them and many more will die long term. It is estimated that 26000 have died in the UK because of the lockdown. Cancer treatment is way down. It is not just about the anecdotal experiences of you or me. I am not stopping you hiding away till it is over. We are reaching a point where the lockdown will kill more. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dullers 467 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 3 hours ago, kenergy said: Of course you dont. Seems like the only person you give a fuck about is you. Welcome to the west. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Piet56 202 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 8 hours ago, mako23 said: duller's - remind him of those who died of cancer (men & women) in the UK Alone (in excess of 180K) Not a dicky bird about Male deaths from Prostate cancer, can't hear a damned think out of their lips for the women who died from Breast & ovarian cancer..... Yet a genetically engineered variant of a virus that untill this recent line of B.S. started & we get this crap....Fact - they cannot tell the difference between COVID /AVIAN / SWINE flu's on initial testing... Hell they can't even tell the difference between the common cold & covid....... Don't play with your food mate - some of these troll's ain't worth it 1 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
minimumfuss 326 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 There's definitely some genetic rearrangement gone on in the above members organs. Happy trails to the yanks if they relaunch in the morning. Take the tinfoil to another forum, it works well in a microwave I hear. 10 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Grrr... 2,220 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 6 hours ago, MaxHugen said: Are you sure that's not the new caterpillar drive, from Red October? Well, that's good news. That means they are satisfied with the hull repair. You don't take time to paint if you've got shit to do. So, the obvious question is how the electrical systems and hydraulic controls are going. I'm not so worried about the hydraulics themselves. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
I14RACER 187 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 11 minutes ago, Grrr... said: Well, that's good news. That means they are satisfied with the hull repair. You don't take time to paint if you've got shit to do. So, the obvious question is how the electrical systems and hydraulic controls are going. I'm not so worried about the hydraulics themselves. They said she had a heartbeat. I figured that had to either do with the electrical or hydraulic systems. Given that the hydraulics were in good shape. It should be a reference to the electrical systems status. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
I14RACER 187 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 3 hours ago, Pertsa said: What they are doing there, polishing their pants? From this book: Keeping her heeled! I’ve read that book. Definitely gonna have to check it out. Here’s a cool clip where we’re reaching in 20+ knots of breeze. Staying up was the way to win on this day. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Varan 2,134 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 8 hours ago, mako23 said: Wind forecast for Friday , Saturday and Sunday ....very light winds https://www.windfinder.com/forecast/auckland Prada weather Code zero weather. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
enigmatically2 1,473 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 9 minutes ago, Varan said: Code zero weather. But will anyone? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vin 170 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 8 hours ago, mako23 said: Wind forecast for Friday , Saturday and Sunday ....very light winds https://www.windfinder.com/forecast/auckland Prada weather Prada weather....looks like Nada weather! That breeze looks like shite Saturday, Sunday and Monday. Maybe get a couple in on Friday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
D_Dog 65 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 If it is light on the weekend - not ideal for AM one would think... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Purple Headed Warrior 88 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Just now, D_Dog said: If it is light on the weekend - not ideal for AM one would think... I expect they would quite like a light day, get some crew confidence back and more of a lottery sail may make for a easier result... either way, winning or losing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Varan 2,134 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 6 minutes ago, enigmatically2 said: But will anyone? Seems unlikely. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chimp too 392 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Grrr... said: Well, that's good news. That means they are satisfied with the hull repair. You don't take time to paint if you've got shit to do. So, the obvious question is how the electrical systems and hydraulic controls are going. I'm not so worried about the hydraulics themselves. Making it watertight is one thing, and once the hull is sealed you might as well get bodies thrown at the paint work to get ahead of things there whilst the boys inside are figuring out when they will get the structure out of Defiant to fit and work. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Grrr... 2,220 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, I14RACER said: They said she had a heartbeat. I figured that had to either do with the electrical or hydraulic systems. Given that the hydraulics were in good shape. It should be a reference to the electrical systems status. Usually a heartbeat on an industrial network refers to a regular update message so that the main controller knows all its peripherals are connected.. However, that may be reading too much into it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Purple Headed Warrior 88 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Chimp too said: Making it watertight is one thing, and once the hull is sealed you might as well get bodies thrown at the paint work to get ahead of things there whilst the boys inside are figuring out when they will get the structure out of Defiant to fit and work. As they say... If you can piss you can paint! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Grrr... 2,220 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 7 minutes ago, Chimp too said: Making it watertight is one thing, and once the hull is sealed you might as well get bodies thrown at the paint work to get ahead of things there whilst the boys inside are figuring out when they will get the structure out of Defiant to fit and work. Seems like the internal structure would have been done before the panel was attached. They had everything they needed to repair the structure (assumedly) and had the time waiting for the frames to be shaped, then the panel laid, bagged, and cured at ETNZ. I'm betting most of them are doing their normal jobs now. The electrical workup is rarely the work of more than a handful of specialized people, while the mechanical guys sit around and debug when electrical finds a problem. "XXX didn't move. Replace this controller and valve." "YYY is slow. Check for binding." "ZZZ is running backwards, swap the fucking hoses" etc. The mechanical portion of something like this is usually far more straightforward then the electrical gremlins that pop up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chimp too 392 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 11 minutes ago, Grrr... said: Seems like the internal structure would have been done before the panel was attached. They had everything they needed to repair the structure (assumedly) and had the time waiting for the frames to be shaped, then the panel laid, bagged, and cured at ETNZ. I'm betting most of them are doing their normal jobs now. T I struggle to believe that a boat that takes 80,000 man hours to build can be rebuilt so easily and quickly, particularly to the exacting standards required. If it can then why did it take so long the first time around?! I hope that I am wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
enigmatically2 1,473 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Chimp too said: I struggle to believe that a boat that takes 80,000 man hours to build can be rebuilt so easily and quickly, particularly to the exacting standards required. If it can then why did it take so long the first time around?! I hope that I am wrong. Apart from anything else, 2nd time around you know what to do, because you have already done it. But also they won't be worrying about the last micron of finish, or gram of weight. And they are only really redoing a small part (no sails, rig, foils, rudder, only 10% of hull etc ) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chimp too 392 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 minute ago, enigmatically2 said: Apart from anything else, 2nd time around you know what to do, because you have already done it Building components and assembling in the processes established over months of preparation is rather different than scarfing in new bits to the first bit of good structure you can find. Done a good number of significant composite repairs, and overseen many more. It ain't that simple. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
enigmatically2 1,473 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Chimp too said: Building components and assembling in the processes established over months of preparation is rather different than scarfing in new bits to the first bit of good structure you can find. Done a good number of significant composite repairs, and overseen many more. It ain't that simple. OK, well if they are ready for the semis, then I am right, and if not, you are Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shoeby11 8 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 16 minutes ago, Chimp too said: I struggle to believe that a boat that takes 80,000 man hours to build can be rebuilt so easily and quickly, particularly to the exacting standards required. If it can then why did it take so long the first time around?! I hope that I am wrong. Just for a rough, conservative calculation: If there were 40 people working on the repair for 10 hrs/day over the course of 5 days, that's 2,000 man hours. It's also 2.5% of the mentioned 80,000 original build time. I'd bet there were more people and longer hours than that, so it doesn't seems unreasonable to me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RMac 306 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 24 minutes ago, shoeby11 said: Just for a rough, conservative calculation: If there were 40 people working on the repair for 10 hrs/day over the course of 5 days, that's 2,000 man hours. It's also 2.5% of the mentioned 80,000 original build time. I'd bet there were more people and longer hours than that, so it doesn't seems unreasonable to me. That makes a lot of sense. Also keep in mind there are some extremely detail oriented people working on that boat, just guessing they have every hose and wire harness noted from the first build, plus whatever changes. Makes sense to think that their systems and software for organzing probably still have Penske letterhead on them! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dent 28 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 10 hours ago, Barnyb said: American Magic The renewal of PATRIOT reaches an important stage as the tenting for the painting process goes up around the AC75. Any color you want... as long as its AwlGrip HDT ultra-high performance finish in Flag Blue! I would love it if they painted a big band-aide on it LOL 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Enzedel92 139 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Clock is ticking on AM. When is the measurement cut off? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rennmaus 3,063 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 9 hours ago, waterboy42 said: Apparently, these were really cheap, easy to build and offered great ease of entry for new teams into the Cup environment at the time.... The AC has never been about egalitarian participation.. It is a brute force, dramatic clash of massive ego's, budgets, technology, sailors and lawyers and George Schuyler's Deed of Gift has spit roasted any Billionaires attempt's to subvert it to another purpose. There are plenty of other fair but dull regattas around the world for people to watch (that don't), but we are all entranced by it because it is a horse that can never be tamed and long may that continue. I agree, all it nees are two boats, a course free of headlands... blah, blah, blah. But the challengers usually tell the world "Once we'll hold the Cup, we will implement cost saving measures, have a low entry level, want to attract as many challengers as possible... And we will do everything to make it a commercial success." After they hold the Cup, it's the most expensive regatta that's ever been. Haha. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crashtack 334 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 2 hours ago, Chimp too said: I struggle to believe that a boat that takes 80,000 man hours to build can be rebuilt so easily and quickly, particularly to the exacting standards required. If it can then why did it take so long the first time around?! I hope that I am wrong. The 80,000 man-hours number was including design work iirc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Forourselves 1,691 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 39 minutes ago, Enzedel92 said: Clock is ticking on AM. When is the measurement cut off? Isn’t measurement today? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Amati 1,851 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 2 hours ago, Chimp too said: Building components and assembling in the processes established over months of preparation is rather different than scarfing in new bits to the first bit of good structure you can find. Done a good number of significant composite repairs, and overseen many more. It ain't that simple. Will MA be heavier on one side after repairs? What might that do to foil control? (If anything....) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JonRowe 960 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 5 hours ago, Piet56 said: Hell they can't even tell the difference between the common cold & covid....... Yes they can, they can even tell the difference between the thousands of variants of each, there are 3 dominant strains (original, UK and SA) of COVID right now each with multiple sub strains, categorising viruses has been something we've be able to do for decades. Hell in 2009 an American university sequenced the then 100 dominate strains of the common cold that year. Theres never been a vaccine for the common cold for economic reasons (you'd have to revaccinate in 6 months time) not for technological reasons. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
enigmatically2 1,473 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 12 minutes ago, Forourselves said: Isn’t measurement today? It is Wednesday. Whether that is today at this point in time depends upon your location, and in some cases your state of mind Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JonRowe 960 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Just now, enigmatically2 said: It is Wednesday. Whether that is today at this point in time depends upon your location, and in some cases your state of mind It is wednesday (in new zealand) my dudes. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sailbydate 3,606 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Indeed, it is Wednesday. BIG day for, American Magic and Patriot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
enigmatically2 1,473 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 13 minutes ago, JonRowe said: It is wednesday (in new zealand) my dudes. But I want to hang on to Tuesday for a bit longer you see Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cinnr 26 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 I believe Patriot must be measured in by 6pm today in my time zone (PST, USA). So 9pm eastern in the US. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kenergy 622 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 7 hours ago, dullers said: Welcome to the west. Privilege summed up in 4 words. 6 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AJ Oliver 1,925 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 @dullers wrote . . I agree, I am being blamed for slavery, The British Empire, gender issues and being nasty to the environment. I have no idea where I am going to get the time to sort this out. My Great Grandfather...what a bastard! If you benefit from crimes committed by your family and/or your country, you have an ethical obligation to ameliorate that injustice . . but I get that the Reich does not grasp this . . 1 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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