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1 hour ago, I14RACER said:

Nope. When I try to watch it on YouTube it says it’s restricted. Because in my region someone is broadcasting it. Except that is NBC Sports Gold. Bummer.

Simple solution is to VPN. But maybe you are not familiar with this? You could download "EPIC" browser and once installed, click the little icon on the right of the toolbar end of red arrow in first image.

Select ON and France.

Then go to youtube. don't log in if you have a google account.

Search "Americas Cup"

Select video you want to watch.

 

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I for one was happy to finally see an American team that didn’t just reek of assholes. Terry was a great bloke to have in front of the cameras and the intimate videos behind the scenes I found quite f

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12 minutes ago, Flags said:

Simple solution is to VPN. But maybe you are not familiar with this? You could download "EPIC" browser and once installed, click the little icon on the right of the toolbar end of red arrow in first image.

Select ON and France.

Then go to youtube. don't log in if you have a google account.

Search "Americas Cup"

Select video you want to watch.

 

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This is very cool.
Was the other browser with built-in VPN Opera?

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4 hours ago, Amati said:

We’re back to full keel boats then.  Without ballast.  Yay!

I wonder if AM thought they were owning NZ, color-wise?  Where would that come from? :rolleyes:
 

 

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Well at least the patch ETNZ built for them will match...

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4 hours ago, Amati said:

We’re back to full keel boats then.  Without ballast.  Yay!

I wonder if AM thought they were owning NZ, color-wise?  Where would that come from? :rolleyes:
 

 

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If Amway win and they do go to real sail boats (instead of pond skimmers), my dream would be a scaled up NZ L class mullet boat to say 120' LoA including bow sprit.

 

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54 minutes ago, Brutal said:

The rumor mill says launch and test on Wednesday, shakedown and train on Thursday and race on Friday. Is that "real news"? I have no idea. I guess we'll find out on Wednesday...

 

Curious too if it’s “real news” or not, maybe it’s just their target goal? 
 

Any test sessions will be hugely-hugely important for debugging the newly installed systems, if they go out for Races 1 and 2 fresh out of the box I seriously doubt they’d complete either Race! 
 

Here’s hoping... Would be good to see racing this weekend. 

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3 hours ago, I14RACER said:

It’s not available. It’s blocked due to region.

I use the free urban VPN plugin in firefox.  I turn it on using New Zealand for the location and then i can watch all of the AC Youtube vides's live.  PM me if you want more details.  I only use the VPN for the AC videos, not anything that is confidential, that is also why I use a secondary browser and turn it off when I am done.

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5 hours ago, kenergy said:

The sooner we figure out that it's not a political issue the better. 

Like most things in nature, current virus included, the climate doesn't give a fuck who you voted for. 

I dont give a fuck if it rains or snows on you either.

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3 hours ago, southseasbill said:

If Amway win and they do go to real sail boats (instead of pond skimmers), my dream would be a scaled up NZ L class mullet boat to say 120' LoA including bow sprit.

 

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Something like this then

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5 hours ago, pusslicker said:

What socialists? We all live in the same western democracies and I haven't seen any fucking socialism whatsoever. Unless you count rich fucks getting bailed out by the tax payers every time they over do it.

At the moment my socialist government is spending my money on collapsing the economy over a nasty flew. They are not spending their money but my money.  After we have bankrupted the country they will want more of my money. That is socialism.

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2 hours ago, The_Alchemist said:

I use the free urban VPN plugin in firefox.  I turn it on using New Zealand for the location and then i can watch all of the AC Youtube vides's live.  PM me if you want more details.  I only use the VPN for the AC videos, not anything that is confidential, that is also why I use a secondary browser and turn it off when I am done.

Cool! I’ll DM you soon about this. I have Apple devices and a work laptop. Worried about any work laptop getting a virus.

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24 minutes ago, dullers said:

At the moment my socialist government is spending my money on collapsing the economy over a nasty flew. They are not spending their money but my money.  After we have bankrupted the country they will want more of my money. That is socialism.

I guess it's socialism in a Trumpian sort of non-thinking way. 

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4 hours ago, Windskip said:

That’s why you use a VPN set to a non-US location, which works just fine.

I find servers in Canada work extremely well. Not much traffic and relatively low latency. Way better than the NZ and UK servers I tried.

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35 minutes ago, I14RACER said:

I have Apple devices and a work laptop. 

Please post if you get Opera with the free VPN downloaded to an iPhone or iPad. The default (as you know) is Safari and I have not tried anything else - cheers. Not going there with any of my Win10 work setups.. 

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1 hour ago, dullers said:

At the moment my socialist government is spending my money on collapsing the economy over a nasty flew. They are not spending their money but my money.  After we have bankrupted the country they will want more of my money. That is socialism.

Swine Flu was a nasty flu and I had the displeasure of seeing my father die from it. Covid is a lot worse than swine flu. It is a pandemic that has taken two million lives. Your caviller attitude does these people an injustice. Of that two boats million there is 99,000 British dead. A death toll for the UK that only has been surpassed by the world wars.  There a lot of people suffering in England now and all you seem to be worried about is your fucken money. 

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5 hours ago, southseasbill said:

If Amway win and they do go to real sail boats (instead of pond skimmers), my dream would be a scaled up NZ L class mullet boat to say 120' LoA including bow sprit.

 

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I’d vote to bring back the J Class rule just for fun. I’m not saying they have to look like the classics, just measure to the rule. 

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2 hours ago, dullers said:

At the moment my socialist government is spending my money on collapsing the economy over a nasty flew. They are not spending their money but my money.  After we have bankrupted the country they will want more of my money. That is socialism.

 

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10 hours ago, strider470 said:

So the YouTube full live coverage is not available in the US? Here in Italy it is also broadcast for free on the public TV service (RAI). I remember Patrizio Bertelli insisted that the event would have been free for everyone, and I thought it was worldwide.

No, despite original claims, certainly not free in Australia and various other countries. :angry:

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Am are not waiting until being pulled down the harbour to start debugging the newly wired 'set-up'. They said they had the boat turned on, with a heartbeat as TH put it about 3 days ago. Probably not finished then electrically or in any other way but sounds like they are working well and on schedule so far.

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8 minutes ago, nav said:

Am are not waiting until being pulled down the harbour to start debugging the newly wired 'set-up'. They said they had the boat turned on, with a heartbeat as TH put it about 3 days ago. Probably not finished then electrically or in any other way but sounds like they are working well and on schedule so far.

They are due out on the water tomorrow, correct?

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On 1/23/2021 at 10:28 PM, dullers said:

I agree, I am being blamed for slavery, The British Empire, gender issues and being nasty to the environment. I have no idea where I am going to get the time to sort this out. My Great Grandfather...what a bastard!

Your's as well?? Who would have thought dullers......

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26 minutes ago, Barnyb said:
Rigger Dan Spratley (center) and shore crew Shaun Mason (top) fitting out a bowsprit bob stay for PATRIOT, in another sign that her next sailing session is coming soon.
 

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I hope they come out and take race one, really spice this shit up again. 

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On 1/17/2021 at 10:05 AM, RMac said:

The tack was the right choice tactically for sure, no one can possibly argue otherwise. 

This was a boat handling issue. 

If the gybe was so much safer, why did LR tack as well?

LR was behind, so risk taking is justified. They are willing to trade safety for a tactical advantage. 

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33 minutes ago, Barnyb said:
The renewal of PATRIOT reaches an important stage as the tenting for the painting process goes up around the AC75. Any color you want... as long as its AwlGrip HDT ultra-high performance finish in Flag Blue!
 

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Are you sure that's not the new caterpillar drive, from Red October?

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3 minutes ago, I14RACER said:

If American Magic wins they should switch to these boats. This is what I race for 8 weekends in the summer.

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Looks like a hoot!  Do they also throw half the crew overboard when the wind gets light?  :)

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7 minutes ago, I14RACER said:

If American Magic wins they should switch to these boats. This is what I race for 8 weekends in the summer.

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Hey, I remember seeing those in my favorite book growing up,  "Men, Ships and the Sea", cool 

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On 1/23/2021 at 3:28 PM, dullers said:

I agree, I am being blamed for slavery, The British Empire, gender issues and being nasty to the environment. I have no idea where I am going to get the time to sort this out. My Great Grandfather...what a bastard!

You Trumptards are really taking this victim thing to the next level. Grow a fucking pair for the love of Jesus.

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On 1/18/2021 at 4:05 AM, RMac said:

If the gybe was so much safer, why did LR tack as well?

LR was well to leeward, its tack was from a lot further out so more time to steady before the bear away (link). Though it did tack twice so I guess came in on much the same approach as AM.

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LR coming up the course on port

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Still on port, about to tack and give plenty of room to avoid AM on bear away.

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Tacked, leaving room

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18 minutes ago, Latadjust said:

Hey, I remember seeing those in my favorite book growing up,  "Men, Ships and the Sea", cool 

Thanks for reminding me of that one. One of my favorites. Just ordered it for nostalgia's sake.

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41 minutes ago, MaxHugen said:

Looks like a hoot!  Do they also throw half the crew overboard when the wind gets light?  :)

Gotta finish with everything you start with. Crew and equipment. We had a boat break their main mast (the rear one) that decided to sling it to ten deck and finish with one. They finished DFL, but they finished.

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5 hours ago, See Level said:

Something like this then

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Apparently, these were really cheap, easy to build and offered great ease of entry for new teams into the Cup environment at the time....

The AC has never been about egalitarian participation.. It is a brute force, dramatic clash of massive ego's, budgets, technology, sailors and lawyers and George Schuyler's Deed of Gift has spit roasted any Billionaires attempt's to subvert it to another purpose.

There are plenty of other fair but dull regattas around the world for people to watch (that don't), but we are all entranced by it because it is a horse that can never be tamed and long may that continue.

 

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7 minutes ago, NSP said:

It's not exactly a rumor when it's written in the rules that it will be done by 3pm on Wednesday 27 January.  No one is measuring in any earlier than they need to

But it is rumoured that AM is ready to be measured  (remember the off they had?)

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7 hours ago, Varan said:

I find servers in Canada work extremely well. Not much traffic and relatively low latency. Way better than the NZ and UK servers I tried.

It's due to the low temperature of the interweby lines.

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3 hours ago, I14RACER said:

If American Magic wins they should switch to these boats. This is what I race for 8 weekends in the summer.

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What they are doing there, polishing their pants?

From this book:

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8 hours ago, JJD said:

Oh dear.

Average age of death from covid in the UK is 82. Google is your friend. https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000j50w/question-time-2020-14052020    Go to Luke Johnston.  As of may 2020 350 people below 60 had died.  We lose 400 people a year to drowning. I dont know the numbers for below 60 now as information and facts are hard to come by. In 1969 we had a mayor flu outbreak that killed thousands more than is normal. If you want to hide away from life dont let me stop you but i am not interested in loosing my freedom to eak out a few more years on this earth.  

“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.” — William Pitt the Younger — Speech in the House of Commons (18 November, 1783).

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7 hours ago, mako23 said:

Swine Flu was a nasty flu and I had the displeasure of seeing my father die from it. Covid is a lot worse than swine flu. It is a pandemic that has taken two million lives. Your caviller attitude does these people an injustice. Of that two boats million there is 99,000 British dead. A death toll for the UK that only has been surpassed by the world wars.  There a lot of people suffering in England now and all you seem to be worried about is your fucken money. 

That fuken money pays for our welfare infrastructures. If we are broke we wont have them and many more will die long term. It is estimated that 26000 have died in the UK because of the lockdown. Cancer treatment is way down.  It is not just about the anecdotal experiences of you or me. I am not stopping you hiding away till it is over.  We are reaching a point where the lockdown will kill more.

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8 hours ago, mako23 said:

 

duller's - remind him of those who died of cancer (men & women) in the UK Alone (in excess of 180K) Not a dicky bird about Male deaths from Prostate cancer, can't hear a damned think out of their lips for the women who died from Breast & ovarian cancer..... Yet a genetically engineered variant of a virus that untill this recent line of B.S. started & we get this crap....Fact - they cannot tell the difference between COVID /AVIAN / SWINE flu's on initial testing... Hell they can't even tell the difference between the common cold & covid.......

 

Don't play with your food mate - some of these troll's ain't worth it

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6 hours ago, MaxHugen said:

Are you sure that's not the new caterpillar drive, from Red October?

Well, that's good news.  That means they are satisfied with the hull repair.  You don't take time to paint if you've got shit to do.  So, the obvious question is how the electrical systems and hydraulic controls are going.  I'm not so worried about the hydraulics themselves.

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11 minutes ago, Grrr... said:

Well, that's good news.  That means they are satisfied with the hull repair.  You don't take time to paint if you've got shit to do.  So, the obvious question is how the electrical systems and hydraulic controls are going.  I'm not so worried about the hydraulics themselves.

They said she had a heartbeat. I figured that had to either do with the electrical or hydraulic systems. Given that the hydraulics were in good shape. It should be a reference to the electrical systems status.

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3 hours ago, Pertsa said:

What they are doing there, polishing their pants?

From this book:

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Keeping her heeled! I’ve read that book. Definitely gonna have to check it out.

Here’s a cool clip where we’re reaching in 20+ knots of breeze. Staying up was the way to win on this day.

 

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1 hour ago, Grrr... said:

Well, that's good news.  That means they are satisfied with the hull repair.  You don't take time to paint if you've got shit to do.  So, the obvious question is how the electrical systems and hydraulic controls are going.  I'm not so worried about the hydraulics themselves.

Making it watertight is one thing, and once the hull is sealed you might as well get bodies thrown at the paint work to get ahead of things there whilst the boys inside are figuring out when they will get the structure out of Defiant to fit and work.

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1 hour ago, I14RACER said:

They said she had a heartbeat. I figured that had to either do with the electrical or hydraulic systems. Given that the hydraulics were in good shape. It should be a reference to the electrical systems status.

Usually a heartbeat on an industrial network refers to a regular update message so that the main controller knows all its peripherals are connected..  However, that may be reading too much into it.

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7 minutes ago, Chimp too said:

Making it watertight is one thing, and once the hull is sealed you might as well get bodies thrown at the paint work to get ahead of things there whilst the boys inside are figuring out when they will get the structure out of Defiant to fit and work.

Seems like the internal structure would have been done before the panel was attached.  They had everything they needed to repair the structure (assumedly) and had the time waiting for the frames to be shaped, then the panel laid, bagged, and cured at ETNZ.  I'm betting most of them are doing their normal jobs now.  The electrical workup is rarely the work of more than a handful of specialized people, while the mechanical guys sit around and debug when electrical finds a problem.  "XXX didn't move.  Replace this controller and valve."  "YYY is slow.  Check for binding." "ZZZ is running backwards, swap the fucking hoses" etc.

The mechanical portion of something like this is usually far more straightforward then the electrical gremlins that pop up.

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11 minutes ago, Grrr... said:

Seems like the internal structure would have been done before the panel was attached.  They had everything they needed to repair the structure (assumedly) and had the time waiting for the frames to be shaped, then the panel laid, bagged, and cured at ETNZ.  I'm betting most of them are doing their normal jobs now.  T

I struggle to believe that a boat that takes 80,000 man hours to build can be rebuilt so easily and quickly, particularly to the exacting standards required. If it can then why did it take so long the first time around?!

I hope that I am wrong.

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1 minute ago, Chimp too said:

I struggle to believe that a boat that takes 80,000 man hours to build can be rebuilt so easily and quickly, particularly to the exacting standards required. If it can then why did it take so long the first time around?!

I hope that I am wrong.

Apart from anything else, 2nd time around you know what to do, because you have already done it.

But also they won't be worrying about the last micron of finish, or gram of weight.

And they are only really redoing a small part (no sails, rig, foils, rudder, only 10% of hull etc )

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1 minute ago, enigmatically2 said:

Apart from anything else, 2nd time around you know what to do, because you have already done it

Building components and assembling in the processes established over months of preparation is rather different than scarfing in new bits to the first bit of good structure you can find. Done a good number of significant composite repairs, and overseen many more. It ain't that simple.

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1 minute ago, Chimp too said:

Building components and assembling in the processes established over months of preparation is rather different than scarfing in new bits to the first bit of good structure you can find. Done a good number of significant composite repairs, and overseen many more. It ain't that simple.

OK, well if they are ready for the semis, then I am right, and if not, you are

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16 minutes ago, Chimp too said:

I struggle to believe that a boat that takes 80,000 man hours to build can be rebuilt so easily and quickly, particularly to the exacting standards required. If it can then why did it take so long the first time around?!

I hope that I am wrong.

Just for a rough, conservative calculation: If there were 40 people working on the repair for 10 hrs/day over the course of 5 days, that's 2,000 man hours.  It's also 2.5% of the mentioned 80,000 original build time.  I'd bet there were more people and longer hours than that, so it doesn't seems unreasonable to me.

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24 minutes ago, shoeby11 said:

Just for a rough, conservative calculation: If there were 40 people working on the repair for 10 hrs/day over the course of 5 days, that's 2,000 man hours.  It's also 2.5% of the mentioned 80,000 original build time.  I'd bet there were more people and longer hours than that, so it doesn't seems unreasonable to me.

That makes a lot of sense. Also keep in mind there are some extremely detail oriented people working on that boat, just guessing they have every hose and wire harness noted from the first build, plus whatever changes.  Makes sense to think that their systems and software for organzing probably still have Penske letterhead on them!

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10 hours ago, Barnyb said:
The renewal of PATRIOT reaches an important stage as the tenting for the painting process goes up around the AC75. Any color you want... as long as its AwlGrip HDT ultra-high performance finish in Flag Blue!
 

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I would love it if they painted a big band-aide on it LOL

 

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9 hours ago, waterboy42 said:

 

Apparently, these were really cheap, easy to build and offered great ease of entry for new teams into the Cup environment at the time....

The AC has never been about egalitarian participation.. It is a brute force, dramatic clash of massive ego's, budgets, technology, sailors and lawyers and George Schuyler's Deed of Gift has spit roasted any Billionaires attempt's to subvert it to another purpose.

There are plenty of other fair but dull regattas around the world for people to watch (that don't), but we are all entranced by it because it is a horse that can never be tamed and long may that continue.

 

I agree, all it nees are two boats, a course free of headlands... blah, blah, blah.

But the challengers usually tell the world "Once we'll hold the Cup, we will implement cost saving measures, have a low entry level, want to attract as many challengers as possible... And we will do everything to make it a commercial success."

After they hold the Cup, it's the most expensive regatta that's ever been. Haha.

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2 hours ago, Chimp too said:

I struggle to believe that a boat that takes 80,000 man hours to build can be rebuilt so easily and quickly, particularly to the exacting standards required. If it can then why did it take so long the first time around?!

I hope that I am wrong.

The 80,000 man-hours number was including design work iirc

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2 hours ago, Chimp too said:

Building components and assembling in the processes established over months of preparation is rather different than scarfing in new bits to the first bit of good structure you can find. Done a good number of significant composite repairs, and overseen many more. It ain't that simple.

Will MA be heavier on one side after repairs?  What might that do to foil control?  (If anything....)

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5 hours ago, Piet56 said:

Hell they can't even tell the difference between the common cold & covid.......

Yes they can, they can even tell the difference between the thousands of variants of each, there are 3 dominant strains (original, UK and SA) of COVID right now each with multiple sub strains, categorising viruses has been something we've be able to do for decades. Hell in 2009 an American university sequenced the then 100 dominate strains of the common cold that year. Theres never been a vaccine for the common cold for economic reasons (you'd have to revaccinate in 6 months time) not for technological reasons.

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Just now, enigmatically2 said:

It is Wednesday. Whether that is today at this point in time depends upon your location, and in some cases your state of mind

It is wednesday (in new zealand) my dudes.

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@dullers   wrote . . I agree, I am being blamed for slavery, The British Empire, gender issues and being nasty to the environment. I have no idea where I am going to get the time to sort this out. My Great Grandfather...what a bastard!  

If you benefit from crimes committed by your family and/or your country, you have an ethical obligation to ameliorate that injustice . . 

but I get that the Reich does not grasp this . .  

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