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And we have liftoff!!

I for one was happy to finally see an American team that didn’t just reek of assholes. Terry was a great bloke to have in front of the cameras and the intimate videos behind the scenes I found quite f

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The video where you can see the repair panel. 

The repaired area is very large. Especially toward the end of the video where you can scale it against a ute (pickup truck) towing the trailer it is on. It's got to be ~4m or so long. 

Didn't see any mention of internal structure failures or repairs. So a big slam that punctured one section and badly damaged a large area of hull. 

Yes it will be scarfed in with several overlapping layers of inside and outside skin. Skins are very thin anyway. 

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5 hours ago, kiwin said:

And the budgets of the top teams with the IACC boats was about the same.....

The top teams yes. But the entry level cost was less, so it was easier for learners/first time teams to join. If we only had top teams in every sport, F1 would consist of three entries, and the Olympics would be over in a couple of days time. To make sports colorful, attract more interest in more countries and therefore sponsors, and get the one or other surprise performance (think Shosh vs. Oracle in AC32), we need the also-rans.

BTW, what was so outrageous about my post above to warrant a downvote by you?

Edit: @SimonN calls it well here too in the first part of this post, although I do not agree to the second part:

 

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8 hours ago, Steve Clark said:

I blame Genghis  Kahn.  The Mongolian Hegemony losses eastern pathogens on the Europeans. By the end of the Black Death, the 75% of the people who survived had highly mutated immune systems which turned them into bio weapons when the made contact with the North Americans.  Over 90% off the east coast population died in the 100 years between first contact and colonization.

So when it was time to exploit the resources, there wasn’t a local population to oppress.  Slavery was the conventional solution to labor shortages.  American Slavery was distinct from other slavery traditions in many important ways, which has made it harder to reconcile.

SHC 

Genghis was a very naughty boy.

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11 hours ago, Steve Clark said:

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If you look at participation,  the America’s Cup died after AC32.  A dozen teams competed in Valencia, many of which built two boats.  The IACC version 5 was “ affordable” to a class of yachtsmen who had a pool of sailors and professionals capable of competing.  The decision to bib the IACC in favor of another class was based on the boredom of the designers.  After a brutal DOD match the competition has dried up.  Russell Coutts had a vision of turning the America’s Cup into a Formula 1 like media product and luxury bizarre.  Media apparently is more important than competitors. If I understand NYYC’s thinking, it would be good to move away from the bleeding edge to something which might attract more teams and which might be a better sporting event.  Looking at the few shitty half hour races held in New. Zealand it is pretty lousy way to spend millions of dollars.

SHC

Participation levels will never grow if they keep inventing new classes for each edition.

Only if the let a class endure for two or three cycles will the technology become mature enough to be accessible to more teams

I was not a fan of the current boat concept, and very skeptical about their sailability - but having watched them actually racing, they do look fantastic, they're blindingly fast and provide very competitive sailing. They really need to hang on to these for the next cup and beyond.

Though they REALLY need to add a Code 0 on an extra halyard for the light stuff...

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My point is that there can be two ways of looking at an event.

1: It is a competition organized an run for the participants and dedicated to delivering the best possible experience.  Anything that infringes on the competitor experience is secondary.

2: The event is a “property” which is managed to enhance its value as a property and deliver financial reward.  The audience is key constituency because it is the size and demographics of the audience which drives all the revenue steams. The athletes and  the competition are necessary to draw the attention, but they are of secondary importance.

I have not been privy to NYYC discussions on the matter, but I suspect they would see more value in 50 days of racing between 30 teams than 20 days of racing between 4.

SHC

 

 

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20 hours ago, jaysper said:

 

The AM team itself seem full of a great bunch of people.

###including a few Americans even if the funders are Trumpers

Also, who knows if the NYYC are anything like the bastards of old. If you assume they are you are really visiting the sins of the father on the child.

###dunno about NYYC but the syndicate funders are Trumpers 

Nonetheless it is good sportsmanship to assist. Kudos.

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On 1/23/2021 at 3:18 PM, WetHog said:

Would you mind providing a picture of your chiclets?  Teeth. For comparison reasons of course. 

WetHog  :ph34r:

 

....   here you go ..... a periodontist's dream come true and enough work to pay for the golf club membership ....

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Jesus Skateboarding Christ.

Will you people knock off the political horseshit for at least 5 full minutes around here?

And for God's sake, some of you can't resist talking about TH's TEETH??? Of all the things to nitpick.......fucking hell.

Sounds like a goddamn sewing circle with a  bunch of fucking whiny bitches in here.

Please shut the fuck up about both topics. You're making yourselves out to be a bunch of pussies who really have nothing better to do. Truly pathetic to witness.

Here are a few things we already know-

1. Trump is a sociopath. 

2. Americans are idiots for letting him live in the WH for 4 years. The other option was just as bad, but on different levels. 

3. Almost all politicians have always been, currently are, and will likely always be crooked shitheels with absolutely no regard for anyone but themselves.

4. TH is a grown man. Dude's got some crazy, widely spaced chompers. 

5.Water is wet.

6. People of means are sometimes crooked, slippery fuckers with, at the very least, questionable ethics. They sometimes toss their wealth around to simultaneously entertain us and stroke their own egeos with completely ludicrous productions of sport, during which they are further enriching themselves. 

7. Somewhere on this site, people are talking about a boat race.

I'm sure there are many items to add to the list, but I personally like #7.

Christ. You people sound like the fucking "View" in here. You should fucking well be embarrassed of yourselves. Joy B. and The Mop would be oh so proud of you boys with your fucking yapping about useless shit.

Do fuck off with all of that.

 

P.S. And yeah, I said "you people".

 

 

 

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On 1/23/2021 at 9:18 AM, WetHog said:

Would you mind providing a picture of your chiclets?  Teeth. For comparison reasons of course. 

WetHog  :ph34r:

That’ll never happen. “The Truth” has always been a useless little cunt that’s mostly full of shit. For obvious reasons, he’d never actually admit who he is. 

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On 1/23/2021 at 2:57 PM, Zonker said:

I don't think so.

Explain how these forces blew out a rectangular shaped panel and not just fractured the panel at the edge of the ring frame where the loads would be highest with your theory? Carbon is very stiff. It does not transfer forces well to structures that are far away from the loaded structure itself.

Blue is structure (guesstimated). Red is forces and moments. Start with your foil force pushing at the pivot pin, into the boat's structure. The peak loads are where any long'l support for the pivot pin hits the ring frame (A). They are not where the panel failed. The foil support structure is very likely symmetrical.

So why didn't the panel aft of the aft ring frame at D fail? Or at C or B?

A slam is a far more likely type of failure. Slamming failure of bow sections of Open 60 is well known, at lower speeds and smaller impacts than this impact. And they used to be built the same way (carbon skins/honeycomb core). Now they don't do that anymore. They use solid monolithic carbon in the slamming regions.

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There are stringers running fore & aft between the ribs, so Terry Hutchinson's theory makes sense in that the hull panel guillotined itself between two ribs and two stringers.

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23 hours ago, Steve Clark said:

A slightly different perspective.

NYYC reputation for fuckery is ancient history. After the restart of competition in 1958 they were pretty good about growing the participation and making the competition fairer.  The Nation of Origin rules were progressively relaxed. This gave everything challengers access to American technology, which in many cases had no equal.  Hood Sailcloth was one of these restricted technologies that was fundamental to NYYC success.  Imagine if only American teams could use 3di.

The Deed of Gift only permits one challenger at a time. NYYC relaxed this and permitted the Challenger of Record protocol that exists today.  This neutralized the largest structural advantage NYYC enjoyed: multiple candidates to defend, and the series of Selection Trials which assured that the defenders were always better prepared than the challengers.  In the current world, the defender is a single team which tries to limit the amount of sailing and two boat testing the challengers have available AMF preserve their advantage.  

If you look at participation,  the America’s Cup died after AC32.  A dozen teams competed in Valencia, many of which built two boats.  The IACC version 5 was “ affordable” to a class of yachtsmen who had a pool of sailors and professionals capable of competing.  The decision to bib the IACC in favor of another class was based on the boredom of the designers.  After a brutal DOD match the competition has dried up.  Russell Coutts had a vision of turning the America’s Cup into a Formula 1 like media product and luxury bizarre.  Media apparently is more important than competitors. If I understand NYYC’s thinking, it would be good to move away from the bleeding edge to something which might attract more teams and which might be a better sporting event.  Looking at the few shitty half hour races held in New. Zealand it is pretty lousy way to spend millions of dollars.

SHC

Nice. But also, imagine if the American team was the only team to not use 3di?

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On 1/24/2021 at 2:34 PM, Steve Clark said:

A slightly different perspective.

NYYC reputation for fuckery is ancient history. After the restart of competition in 1958 they were pretty good about growing the participation and making the competition fairer.  The Nation of Origin rules were progressively relaxed. This gave everything challengers access to American technology, which in many cases had no equal.  Hood Sailcloth was one of these restricted technologies that was fundamental to NYYC success.  Imagine if only American teams could use 3di.

The Deed of Gift only permits one challenger at a time. NYYC relaxed this and permitted the Challenger of Record protocol that exists today.  This neutralized the largest structural advantage NYYC enjoyed: multiple candidates to defend, and the series of Selection Trials which assured that the defenders were always better prepared than the challengers.  In the current world, the defender is a single team which tries to limit the amount of sailing and two boat testing the challengers have available AMF preserve their advantage.  

If you look at participation,  the America’s Cup died after AC32.  A dozen teams competed in Valencia, many of which built two boats.  The IACC version 5 was “ affordable” to a class of yachtsmen who had a pool of sailors and professionals capable of competing.  The decision to bib the IACC in favor of another class was based on the boredom of the designers.  After a brutal DOD match the competition has dried up.  Russell Coutts had a vision of turning the America’s Cup into a Formula 1 like media product and luxury bizarre.  Media apparently is more important than competitors. If I understand NYYC’s thinking, it would be good to move away from the bleeding edge to something which might attract more teams and which might be a better sporting event.  Looking at the few shitty half hour races held in New. Zealand it is pretty lousy way to spend millions of dollars.

SHC

The AC never "died" it evolved.

There is no denying the ability to foil and achieve the speeds the boats currently display has added a level of excitement to the event, and the sport as a whole that the sport needed.

The trickle down of the AC72 Cats in San Francisco spawned a whole new generation of foiling enthusiasts that has resulted in the multiple high performance multihull classes seen today. The Nacra, the GC32, and the F50 to name a few.

That was followed by the introduction of foiling Monohulls such as the Persico 69F and the AC75.

Speed and excitement attracts the thrill seekers, the next generation of sailors.

When people watch the pinnacle event of a racing sport, they want to see speed and excitement. Athletes suiting up in body armour and crash helmets, not boat shoes and sunhats.

The sport has moved on from the days of big, slow dinosaurs taking an hour and a half to get around a course. 

 

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20 hours ago, Zonker said:

The video where you can see the repair panel. 

The repaired area is very large. Especially toward the end of the video where you can scale it against a ute (pickup truck) towing the trailer it is on. It's got to be ~4m or so long. 

Didn't see any mention of internal structure failures or repairs. So a big slam that punctured one section and badly damaged a large area of hull. 

Yes it will be scarfed in with several overlapping layers of inside and outside skin. Skins are very thin anyway. 

Check out the pile of flat panels with pretty hefty skins in the lower left at 2:42. Pretty sure they're buggered internal structure coming out of the boat.837498837_ScreenShot2021-01-24at8_55_58PM.thumb.png.6caa6ec7d9ce9c01990b16bfe6602480.png

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On 1/24/2021 at 2:34 PM, Steve Clark said:

A slightly different perspective.

NYYC reputation for fuckery is ancient history. After the restart of competition in 1958 they were pretty good about growing the participation and making the competition fairer.  The Nation of Origin rules were progressively relaxed. This gave everything challengers access to American technology, which in many cases had no equal.  Hood Sailcloth was one of these restricted technologies that was fundamental to NYYC success.  Imagine if only American teams could use 3di.

The Deed of Gift only permits one challenger at a time. NYYC relaxed this and permitted the Challenger of Record protocol that exists today.  This neutralized the largest structural advantage NYYC enjoyed: multiple candidates to defend, and the series of Selection Trials which assured that the defenders were always better prepared than the challengers.  In the current world, the defender is a single team which tries to limit the amount of sailing and two boat testing the challengers have available AMF preserve their advantage.  

If you look at participation,  the America’s Cup died after AC32.  A dozen teams competed in Valencia, many of which built two boats.  The IACC version 5 was “ affordable” to a class of yachtsmen who had a pool of sailors and professionals capable of competing.  The decision to bib the IACC in favor of another class was based on the boredom of the designers.  After a brutal DOD match the competition has dried up.  Russell Coutts had a vision of turning the America’s Cup into a Formula 1 like media product and luxury bizarre.  Media apparently is more important than competitors. If I understand NYYC’s thinking, it would be good to move away from the bleeding edge to something which might attract more teams and which might be a better sporting event.  Looking at the few shitty half hour races held in New. Zealand it is pretty lousy way to spend millions of dollars.

SHC

If the NYYC win and want to go back to “The good old days”. I think I would go and find some paint to watch dry. 

It's not about having slower boats. It is more help to have a stable class of boat. Keep the AC 75s and watch the class grow for the next cup rounds

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Not sure about that. Look at the curved panel by his left foot. The curvature is in the plane of the panel, just like a hull surface. Doubt you'd find internal structure with curve in that direction.  I wouldn't be surprised if significant internal structure was damaged but not sure if what we see is internal structure.

The pile on the left just looks too big and flat. i.e. too deep for a ring frame or long'l girder, especially the one 2nd from the top. The top scrap piece looks like the outer skin fwd and below the hole where we saw carbon unis peeled off and hanging.

Also at 3:35 - the finished panel has some very flat regions that might represent what we saw at the earlier clip at 2:42 (circled in red)

Amazing what you can learn from 2 seconds of video. :) 

I think the ori ginal hole is somewhere in the middle of the patch (grey squares)

 

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1 hour ago, Forourselves said:

The AC never "died" it evolved.

There is no denying the ability to foil and achieve the speeds the boats currently display has added a level of excitement to the event, and the sport as a whole that the sport needed.

The trickle down of the AC72 Cats in San Francisco spawned a whole new generation of foiling enthusiasts that has resulted in the multiple high performance multihull classes seen today. The Nacra, the GC32, and the F50 to name a few.

That was followed by the introduction of foiling Monohulls such as the Persico 69F and the AC75.

Speed and excitement attracts the thrill seekers, the next generation of sailors.

When people watch the pinnacle event of a racing sport, they want to see speed and excitement. Athletes suiting up in body armour and crash helmets, not boat shoes and sunhats.

The sport has moved on from the days of big, slow dinosaurs taking an hour and a half to get around a course. 

 

Totally disagree.  The trickle down is from the little C, not this shit show.  And thats not much of a trickle down anyways.

Introduction of foiling monohulls?  You mean like Moths?  How many folks you know of that learned to sail in a Moth?

Be realistic.  There is exactly zero people getting into sailing because they are thrill seekers looking to foil.  How many people are willing to spend 5 years learning a sport to be able to get to do it the way they wanted to start it?

 

The AC is for sailing diehards.  Accept it.  There is no going mainstream for sailing as a sport.  Thats OK.  Shit, would you want to have curling eat up your TV time?  That gets way more play on the Olympics....

 

So the real question is what us sailors want.  Personally I could care less how fast the boats go.  Evrrybody is freaking out about the last Prada race not because how fast they were going but becaus eof the lead changes and how close it was.  I'll agree that long ass legs suck(sailing wise). 

 

I'd love to see a boat like the TP52 with symmetrical kites and  mile long legs.

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24 minutes ago, Rainier said:

Totally disagree.  The trickle down is from the little C, not this shit show.  And thats not much of a trickle down anyways.

 

 

 

Someone forgot what multihull “foiling” was before etnz 72. Do you really not remember “w” foils on the GC?  Fill yer hands?

 

 

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35 minutes ago, Rainier said:

Totally disagree.  The trickle down is from the little C, not this shit show.  And thats not much of a trickle down anyways.

Introduction of foiling monohulls?  You mean like Moths?  How many folks you know of that learned to sail in a Moth?

Be realistic.  There is exactly zero people getting into sailing because they are thrill seekers looking to foil.  How many people are willing to spend 5 years learning a sport to be able to get to do it the way they wanted to start it?

 

The AC is for sailing diehards.  Accept it.  There is no going mainstream for sailing as a sport.  Thats OK.  Shit, would you want to have curling eat up your TV time?  That gets way more play on the Olympics....

 

So the real question is what us sailors want.  Personally I could care less how fast the boats go.  Evrrybody is freaking out about the last Prada race not because how fast they were going but becaus eof the lead changes and how close it was.  I'll agree that long ass legs suck(sailing wise). 

 

I'd love to see a boat like the TP52 with symmetrical kites and  mile long legs.

I accept that the AC has been more a design competition, aligned with the latest tech, rather than a proper match racing tournament for most of its life, but I agree wholeheartedly. I absolutely did not get into sailing to go fast, and neither did most of my contemporaries. I like sailing for the tactics and strategy more than anything else. If I want to scratch the speed itch, I’ll do something else.

In some ways, Perth ruined the AC because the organizers have been chasing the high of public interest ever since. The interest in ‘87 was the result of unique circumstances that will never happen again. Before that there wasn’t much fervor to pique the interest of casual fans.

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17 minutes ago, Rainier said:

Totally disagree.  The trickle down is from the little C, not this shit show.  And thats not much of a trickle down anyways.

Introduction of foiling monohulls?  You mean like Moths?  How many folks you know of that learned to sail in a Moth?

Be realistic.  There is exactly zero people getting into sailing because they are thrill seekers looking to foil.  How many people are willing to spend 5 years learning a sport to be able to get to do it the way they wanted to start it?

 

The AC is for sailing diehards.  Accept it.  There is no going mainstream for sailing as a sport.  Thats OK.  Shit, would you want to have curling eat up your TV time?  That gets way more play on the Olympics....

 

So the real question is what us sailors want.  Personally I could care less how fast the boats go.  Evrrybody is freaking out about the last Prada race not because how fast they were going but becaus eof the lead changes and how close it was.  I'll agree that long ass legs suck(sailing wise). 

 

I'd love to see a boat like the TP52 with symmetrical kites and  mile long legs.

Rubbish. If anything, the C-Class trickled UP to the AC. The C-Class still hadn't mastered consistent full flight by the time the AC72 was introduced. Sure, teams took ideas and concepts from the C Class and adapted them to the AC, but it wasn't until foiling hit the mainstream, thanks to the AC, that it really took off.

The AC72 inspired the GC32 as well as the adapting lifting foils to the A Class as well.

Even Glenn Ashby said if not for the technology developed through the Americas Cup, the A-Class wouldn't be what it is today.

As cool as the Moth is, its a toy. A plaything. A single handed platform designed for sailors to experience speed and have some fun.

You're an idiot if you think the AC is for sailing diehards. The AC is the stuff many Kiwi kids strive to be a part of. Kids like Burling and Tuke, Josh Junior, Leo Takahashi. Guys who grew up sailing, end up competing at Olympic level and move on to professional sailing. 

The AC is absolutely mainstream, in NZ anyway. 

The speed and excitement is what draws peoples attention with the AC75, coupled with the fact that it actually works and can still be raced hard like we saw last weekend.

No one wants to see a TP52 with big ass spinnakers going 15 knots max, anymore.

Get with the times!

 

 

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44 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

You're an idiot if you think the AC is for sailing diehards. The AC is the stuff many Kiwi kids strive to be a part of. Kids like Burling and Tuke, Josh Junior, Leo Takahashi. Guys who grew up sailing, end up competing at Olympic level and move on to professional sailing. 

The AC is absolutely mainstream, in NZ anyway. 

This is an interesting point. I’m a yank who spent some time in NZ when I was in college. My observation is that Kiwis are intensely passionate about ANY sport their athletes excel in. If New Zealand, had a championship chessboxing (look it up) team, ordinary Kiwis would become experts in the sport overnight. Kiwis stick together and celebrate each other’s achievements (and use sport as the primary outlet of their nationalism, which is MUCH healthier than how nationalism manifests itself here). I LOVE this about NZ, and wish I lived in a society more like that.

The rest of the world doesn’t work that way. There’s too much competition for attention and nonsailors aren’t going to learn the sport for the sake of watching it. I will grant you that sometimes us Yanks will pay attention if one of our athletes is REALLY good at a niche sport, like when we all started watching the Tour de France when Lance Armstrong was winning*, but until a homegrown American starts dominating sailing (blood doping optional) I don’t see that happening. The same is true elsewhere. There are many sports objectively more exciting and easier to watch than sailing.

I promise you that New Zealand is the only place on the planet where the AC is  - or ever will be - mainstream. For the rest of the world interest is minimal outside the host venue.

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The AC is not mainstream in the UK (though news of Ainslie reaching the Prada cup final made the front page of the BBC) but my teenage kids have enjoyed watching this series. I don’t think they’d have watched leadmines, no matter how close the tacking duels. 

It’s a bit like T20 vs Test cricket. I love Test cricket but T20 is where the numbers are. 

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14 minutes ago, sosoomii said:

The AC is not mainstream in the UK (though news of Ainslie reaching the Prada cup final made the front page of the BBC) but my teenage kids have enjoyed watching this series. I don’t think they’d have watched leadmines, no matter how close the tacking duels. 

It’s a bit like T20 vs Test cricket. I love Test cricket but T20 is where the numbers are. 

Fuck T20 it’s like a quick shag compared to a five day orgy.

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Not sure if these have been posted, Orams is good value, but these videos are positively buried on NZH - fuck they can't help themselves can they...

Andrew Campbell talks about how he flies Patriot vs the other challengers. Interestingly he said his interface had been kept secret until the capsize when all the challengers and defender was able to get a great look!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/sailing/beyond-the-cup-andrew-campbell-on-american-magics-flight-controls/FGRN5UKDVNJBGLD6U7LS5RJILQ/

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44 minutes ago, rh3000 said:

Not sure if these have been posted, Orams is good value, but these videos are positively buried on NZH - fuck they can't help themselves can they...

Andrew Campbell talks about how he flies Patriot vs the other challengers. Interestingly he said his interface had been kept secret until the capsize when all the challengers and defender was able to get a great look!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/sailing/beyond-the-cup-andrew-campbell-on-american-magics-flight-controls/FGRN5UKDVNJBGLD6U7LS5RJILQ/

Probably they decided it wasn't worth a look as nothing about their flight height or performance was anything special

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8 hours ago, Sisu3360 said:

This is an interesting point. I’m a yank who spent some time in NZ when I was in college. My observation is that Kiwis are intensely passionate about ANY sport their athletes excel in. If New Zealand, had a championship chessboxing (look it up) team, ordinary Kiwis would become experts in the sport overnight. Kiwis stick together and celebrate each other’s achievements (and use sport as the primary outlet of their nationalism, which is MUCH healthier than how nationalism manifests itself here). I LOVE this about NZ, and wish I lived in a society more like that.

The rest of the world doesn’t work that way. There’s too much competition for attention and nonsailors aren’t going to learn the sport for the sake of watching it. I will grant you that sometimes us Yanks will pay attention if one of our athletes is REALLY good at a niche sport, like when we all started watching the Tour de France when Lance Armstrong was winning*, but until a homegrown American starts dominating sailing (blood doping optional) I don’t see that happening. The same is true elsewhere. There are many sports objectively more exciting and easier to watch than sailing.

I promise you that New Zealand is the only place on the planet where the AC is  - or ever will be - mainstream. For the rest of the world interest is minimal outside the host venue.

There was no mention of the AM capsize and near sinking on any of the news here in the US.  It is a none event to most of the US unless it is happening here and some network is advertising it to gain viewership.

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5 hours ago, underperformer said:

Probably they decided it wasn't worth a look as nothing about their flight height or performance was anything special

Naaaa...  I think they were a little busy at the time trying to keep the boat.

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11 minutes ago, The_Alchemist said:

There was no mention of the AM capsize and near sinking on any of the news here in the US.  It is a none event to most of the US unless it is happening here and some network is advertising it to gain viewership.

I can't believe there is such low interest in this event! After all, it's the America's Cup!

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23 minutes ago, strider470 said:

I can't believe there is such low interest in this event! After all, it's the America's Cup!

IIRC it got a little run on one of the network nightly news broadcasts. A few coworkers asked me about the capsize...non-sailors but knew about my sailing background and were wondering what happened. They were astonished at the speeds and visuals of the boat. 

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On 1/19/2021 at 9:41 AM, Salty Seacock said:

It is pretty. The cut away under the bum from the arm back looks organic, correct and faster. The finish is exceptional. The colour, a perfect reflection of the attitude. Beat NZ at its own game by taking their colours. Very American. 

 

We’re back to full keel boats then.  Without ballast.  Yay!

I wonder if AM thought they were owning NZ, color-wise?  Where would that come from? :rolleyes:
 

 

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5 hours ago, JALhazmat said:

colours..dear chap we are not all savages.

I like to spell colors colours.  Spellcheck hates it.  Binary savagery?

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1 hour ago, strider470 said:

I can't believe there is such low interest in this event! After all, it's the America's Cup!

In the current "woke" environment in the states??? No one other than those who have the resources in that litigious country to use their court systems..... Perception is key in the US & where marketing and social media rule..... don't get me started and there is a dearth, of mixed race / Colored / African American / 1 armed 1eyed albino lesbian Mexican heritage peoples who would try  sailing and get into it.....

 

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1 hour ago, strider470 said:

I can't believe there is such low interest in this event! After all, it's the America's Cup!

The problem is the cost. To see any live or repeat coverage you have to spend hundreds of dollars for NBC Sports Gold coverage. It costs as much as the Football packages. So what would an American spend their money on. A football package or on some sailboat races. We didn’t have to do that when it was stateside or in Bermuda. I think they screwed this up royally.

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1 hour ago, strider470 said:

I can't believe there is such low interest in this event! After all, it's the America's Cup!

There is just so much competition for the sporting fans.  We are in the middle of the playoffs for the NFL, season for college basketball, NHL, NBA, pandemic killing people at 5 times the international rate, very disruptive elections, etc...  Sailing is a very small sport in the US, only about 1% of the population sails (still is 3-4 million people).

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17 minutes ago, Piet56 said:

In the current "woke" environment in the states???

WTF does this mean?  Sailing participation has held steady over the years....  

Sounds like you are just trying to force politics into the conversation.

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34 minutes ago, I14RACER said:

The problem is the cost. To see any live or repeat coverage you have to spend hundreds of dollars for NBC Sports Gold coverage. It costs as much as the Football packages. So what would an American spend their money on. A football package or on some sailboat races. We didn’t have to do that when it was stateside or in Bermuda. I think they screwed this up royally.

So the YouTube full live coverage is not available in the US? Here in Italy it is also broadcast for free on the public TV service (RAI). I remember Patrizio Bertelli insisted that the event would have been free for everyone, and I thought it was worldwide.

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19 minutes ago, The_Alchemist said:

There is just so much competition for the sporting fans.  We are in the middle of the playoffs for the NFL, season for college basketball, NHL, NBA, pandemic killing people at 5 times the international rate, very disruptive elections, etc...  Sailing is a very small sport in the US, only about 1% of the population sails (still is 3-4 million people).

I understand. Here in Italy people never mind about sailing, but for some unknown reason, when there is the America's Cup and an Italian boat is involved, poeple go mad for it! I remember back in 1983 (I was a boy) that people was following the Azzurra Campaign even without tv coverage. And in 1992 with the Moro di Venezia and 2000 with the first  Luna Rossa almost everybody followed it live on tv every night!

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On 1/24/2021 at 12:50 AM, idontwan2know said:

The reputation of the NYYC as devious in their attempts to retain the cup are wildly exaggerated.

When you actually examine the history of cup defenses under the NYYC, what you see is the matches starting out as a recreation of the 1851 Isle of Wight race where the cup was first won and gradually stripping away the advantages of the defending club until the allowance of multiple challengers flipped the advantage to the challengers and led to the NYYC losing the cup.

It is wild how a bunch of incompetent whinging British challengers who couldn't ever win even when the odds were even have managed to set the narrative for history that they couldn't win because it was unfair when they were just slow.

I say sir steady on.  By Jove I spilt my gin you cunt.

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On 1/23/2021 at 10:44 PM, Daniel Holman said:

If NYYC win ( alright alright ) and cup goes back to proper leadmines, it would be interesting to quantify the environmental benefits ensuing from not having at least 3 ~1000hp mega ribs following these things everywhere at full chat over the length of a campaign. I guess ETNZ have thoughtfully kept the environmental impact under control by proposing a suitably arcane vessel in these 75s thus assuring of us of low participation and less carbon footprint

 

We have to remember that putting the boats on that Russian flying truck will up the footprint. Unless they can develop a fuel based on lettuce and the urine of vegans we best enjoy the sport and all its excesses while we can. My carbon footprint is based on good intentions and not giving a fuckery about it. We must delay the socialists for as long as we can. Or at least until i die.

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16 minutes ago, strider470 said:

So the YouTube full live coverage is not available in the US? 

Only for those who are too lazy to use a free VPN.

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11 hours ago, Sisu3360 said:

I accept that the AC has been more a design competition, aligned with the latest tech

It's PARTLY a design competition. But cleverer minds than mine have better described it as a MANAGEMENT competition.

- you have to quickly hire the best people (design/build/sailing crew/cook/physio/coach/PR person/lawyer/rule person/management etc etc), some of them with very big egos
- you have to fire some of the big egos if they can't play nice with others
- you have to manage a multi million $ budget
- you have to chase sponsors and negotiate rules
- you have to prioritize time critical projects. There is NEVER enough time to design everything you want to try. Eventually you have to stop and build a boat so the sailing team can actually sail
- find and build a remote base 
etc. etc.

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29 minutes ago, strider470 said:

So the YouTube full live coverage is not available in the US? Here in Italy it is also broadcast for free on the public TV service (RAI). I remember Patrizio Bertelli insisted that the event would have been free for everyone, and I thought it was worldwide.

Nope. When I try to watch it on YouTube it says it’s restricted. Because in my region someone is broadcasting it. Except that is NBC Sports Gold. Bummer.

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3 minutes ago, I14RACER said:

Nope. When I try to watch it on YouTube it says it’s restricted. Because in my region someone is broadcasting it. Except that is NBC Sports Gold. Bummer.

Use a VPN.

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8 minutes ago, I14RACER said:

Nope. When I try to watch it on YouTube it says it’s restricted. Because in my region someone is broadcasting it. Except that is NBC Sports Gold. Bummer.

Then as Windskip and Rennmaus suggested, the cheap (sometimes free) solution is to use  a VPN service. You select whatever country you want... ;-)

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20 minutes ago, dullers said:

We have to remember that putting the boats on that Russian flying truck will up the footprint. Unless they can develop a fuel based on lettuce and the urine of vegans we best enjoy the sport and all its excesses while we can. My carbon footprint is based on good intentions and not giving a fuckery about it. We must delay the socialists for as long as we can. Or at least until i die.

The sooner we figure out that it's not a political issue the better. 

Like most things in nature, current virus included, the climate doesn't give a fuck who you voted for. 

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24 minutes ago, I14RACER said:

Nope. When I try to watch it on YouTube it says it’s restricted. Because in my region someone is broadcasting it. Except that is NBC Sports Gold. Bummer.

There's a dude on FB that livestreams the races.  I'm been watching everything live in the US on FB.

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2 hours ago, Amati said:

We’re back to full keel boats then.  Without ballast.  Yay!

I wonder if AM thought they were owning NZ, color-wise?  Where would that come from? :rolleyes:
 

 

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Amway certainly ain't all black colour-wise.

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1 hour ago, Bazzer-racing said:

You are right, my mistake, I can see that the Los Angeles area has probably a bigger population and certainly a much bigger economy than NZ, not really a valid comparison of a country against a city.

Well, AKLD's highway traffic is as fucked as LA's. That's at least is a fair comparison. ;-)

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1 hour ago, dullers said:

We have to remember that putting the boats on that Russian flying truck will up the footprint. Unless they can develop a fuel based on lettuce and the urine of vegans we best enjoy the sport and all its excesses while we can. My carbon footprint is based on good intentions and not giving a fuckery about it. We must delay the socialists for as long as we can. Or at least until i die.

What socialists? We all live in the same western democracies and I haven't seen any fucking socialism whatsoever. Unless you count rich fucks getting bailed out by the tax payers every time they over do it.

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15 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

Well, AKLD's highway traffic is as fucked as LA's. That's at least is a fair comparison. ;-)

I first went to Los Angeles in 1986, then visited again in 2012 and 2013, you cannot believe the change in traffic pollution for the better, it was truly incredible what they had managed to do.

All cars had a twin hose filling system (one hose inside another) fuel in and vapour out and stored in some tank in the ground, don't know what they done with the vapour afterwards.

Noticeably higher population density as well over those 26 years.

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3 minutes ago, underperformer said:

Is there any real NYYC news or maybe even rumors ? We will they be back on the water ? I would like to steer this discussion away from VPN's and TH's teeth..

The rumor mill says launch and test on Wednesday, shakedown and train on Thursday and race on Friday. Is that "real news"? I have no idea. I guess we'll find out on Wednesday...

 

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1 hour ago, I14RACER said:

Nope. When I try to watch it on YouTube it says it’s restricted. Because in my region someone is broadcasting it. Except that is NBC Sports Gold. Bummer.

If you are on Facebook, join the "America's Cup 2021" group. The guy is based in New Zealand and he livestreams the coverage there. I watched AM's capsize live on there.

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1 hour ago, Swimsailor said:

There's a dude on FB that livestreams the races.  I'm been watching everything live in the US on FB.

One hears...

WetHog  :ph34r:

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1 hour ago, I14RACER said:

Nope. When I try to watch it on YouTube it says it’s restricted. Because in my region someone is broadcasting it. Except that is NBC Sports Gold. Bummer.

Simple solution is to VPN. But maybe you are not familiar with this? You could download "EPIC" browser and once installed, click the little icon on the right of the toolbar end of red arrow in first image.

Select ON and France.

Then go to youtube. don't log in if you have a google account.

Search "Americas Cup"

Select video you want to watch.

 

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2 hours ago, I14RACER said:

It’s not available. It’s blocked due to region.

That’s why you use a VPN set to a non-US location, which works just fine.

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12 minutes ago, Flags said:

Simple solution is to VPN. But maybe you are not familiar with this? You could download "EPIC" browser and once installed, click the little icon on the right of the toolbar end of red arrow in first image.

Select ON and France.

Then go to youtube. don't log in if you have a google account.

Search "Americas Cup"

Select video you want to watch.

 

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This is very cool.
Was the other browser with built-in VPN Opera?

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4 hours ago, Amati said:

We’re back to full keel boats then.  Without ballast.  Yay!

I wonder if AM thought they were owning NZ, color-wise?  Where would that come from? :rolleyes:
 

 

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Well at least the patch ETNZ built for them will match...

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4 hours ago, Amati said:

We’re back to full keel boats then.  Without ballast.  Yay!

I wonder if AM thought they were owning NZ, color-wise?  Where would that come from? :rolleyes:
 

 

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If Amway win and they do go to real sail boats (instead of pond skimmers), my dream would be a scaled up NZ L class mullet boat to say 120' LoA including bow sprit.

 

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54 minutes ago, Brutal said:

The rumor mill says launch and test on Wednesday, shakedown and train on Thursday and race on Friday. Is that "real news"? I have no idea. I guess we'll find out on Wednesday...

 

Curious too if it’s “real news” or not, maybe it’s just their target goal? 
 

Any test sessions will be hugely-hugely important for debugging the newly installed systems, if they go out for Races 1 and 2 fresh out of the box I seriously doubt they’d complete either Race! 
 

Here’s hoping... Would be good to see racing this weekend. 

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3 hours ago, I14RACER said:

It’s not available. It’s blocked due to region.

I use the free urban VPN plugin in firefox.  I turn it on using New Zealand for the location and then i can watch all of the AC Youtube vides's live.  PM me if you want more details.  I only use the VPN for the AC videos, not anything that is confidential, that is also why I use a secondary browser and turn it off when I am done.

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On 1/25/2021 at 4:51 AM, Norberto said:

....   here you go ..... a periodontist's dream come true and enough work to pay for the golf club membership ....

You can fuck off with your American fake teeth obsession.  It's good to see someone like terry not get caught up in that bullshit.

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5 hours ago, kenergy said:

The sooner we figure out that it's not a political issue the better. 

Like most things in nature, current virus included, the climate doesn't give a fuck who you voted for. 

I dont give a fuck if it rains or snows on you either.

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3 hours ago, southseasbill said:

If Amway win and they do go to real sail boats (instead of pond skimmers), my dream would be a scaled up NZ L class mullet boat to say 120' LoA including bow sprit.

 

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Something like this then

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5 hours ago, pusslicker said:

What socialists? We all live in the same western democracies and I haven't seen any fucking socialism whatsoever. Unless you count rich fucks getting bailed out by the tax payers every time they over do it.

At the moment my socialist government is spending my money on collapsing the economy over a nasty flew. They are not spending their money but my money.  After we have bankrupted the country they will want more of my money. That is socialism.

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2 hours ago, The_Alchemist said:

I use the free urban VPN plugin in firefox.  I turn it on using New Zealand for the location and then i can watch all of the AC Youtube vides's live.  PM me if you want more details.  I only use the VPN for the AC videos, not anything that is confidential, that is also why I use a secondary browser and turn it off when I am done.

Cool! I’ll DM you soon about this. I have Apple devices and a work laptop. Worried about any work laptop getting a virus.

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24 minutes ago, dullers said:

At the moment my socialist government is spending my money on collapsing the economy over a nasty flew. They are not spending their money but my money.  After we have bankrupted the country they will want more of my money. That is socialism.

I guess it's socialism in a Trumpian sort of non-thinking way. 

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4 hours ago, Windskip said:

That’s why you use a VPN set to a non-US location, which works just fine.

I find servers in Canada work extremely well. Not much traffic and relatively low latency. Way better than the NZ and UK servers I tried.

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35 minutes ago, I14RACER said:

I have Apple devices and a work laptop. 

Please post if you get Opera with the free VPN downloaded to an iPhone or iPad. The default (as you know) is Safari and I have not tried anything else - cheers. Not going there with any of my Win10 work setups..