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Just now, I14RACER said:

Others pointed out on here that during that same practice day others had trouble with staying on and foil control.

So it’s a broad and incorrect statement to make based on a few minutes of video. We know from past examples that these short video clips do not represent the whole.

I've also watched all 50 minutes of Justin's video. Have you watched it?

AM did not look like they were in race-winning form. That is the opinion of my armchair.

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10 hours ago, mako23 said:

FFS can’t we leave it as good sportsmanship on both sides. I know some Americans view GD as the antichrist but he does has morals and a sense of doing right. 

Didn’t say he solely did it to have 2 teams in the Semi’s.  The ENTZ crew being on the water helping to keep the boat afloat shows sportsmanship was the primary driving force behind their effort but having 2 teams in the Semi’s had to have been a slight factor in having the ENTZ boat builders chip in. And why not?  It’s good for business all around.  

WetHog  :ph34r:

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8 minutes ago, MaxHugen said:

I've also watched all 50 minutes of Justin's video. Have you watched it?

AM did not look like they were in race-winning form. That is the opinion of my armchair.

I have and to say that they have flight control issues is pretty basic. There are so many factors that go into these things flying that unless your riding the boat what do you know, nothing. She had issues. But she had the same issues days before the Christmas cup and the round robins. So did all the others. So what’s your explanation for the others having the same issues?

Perhaps it isn’t so clever to draw assumptions? Heck anyone can watch a video and make comments. Doesn’t make them correct.

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2 minutes ago, I14RACER said:

I have and to say that they have flight control issues is pretty basic. There are so many factors that go into these things flying that unless your riding the boat what do you know, nothing. She had issues. But she had the same issues days before the Christmas cup and the round robins. So did all the others. So what’s your explanation for the others having the same issues?

Perhaps it isn’t so clever to draw assumptions? Heck anyone can watch a video and make comments. Doesn’t make them correct.

I support the rights of all armchairs to make assumptions. :rolleyes:

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6 hours ago, Priscilla said:

Maybe a severe case of PTSD.

Post Trump stress disorder.

Nah.  It’s happy times with him gone.  Schools, shops and restaurants across the country are opening up now in celebration. ;)

WetHog  :ph34r:

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37 minutes ago, WetHog said:

Nah.  It’s happy times with him gone.  Schools, shops and restaurants across the country are opening up now in celebration. ;)

WetHog  :ph34r:

I might add that Dems and Republicans are getting along, left wing riots have stopped, Covid has been solved, the climate has been saved and dogs & cats are sleeping together.

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1 hour ago, pluscount said:

I might add that Dems and Republicans are getting along, left wing riots have stopped, Covid has been solved, the climate has been saved and dogs & cats are sleeping together.

This just in:

Cats are still hating dogs. Cats just bidin' their time...will soon be installing red stripes on all dog noses. 

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3 hours ago, MaxHugen said:

I've also watched all 50 minutes of Justin's video. Have you watched it?

AM did not look like they were in race-winning form. That is the opinion of my armchair.

Yes, and I think you are being a little too critical. Some squirrelyness is a nature of the beast.  You only have to very small points of contact and variable winds, these boats are in a constant state of flux unless the winds are strong and consistent.

Look at LR on the same day and explain to me if you see them much more stable...

 

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33 minutes ago, The_Alchemist said:

Yes, and I think you are being a little too critical. Some squirrelyness is a nature of the beast.  You only have to very small points of contact and variable winds, these boats are in a constant state of flux unless the winds are strong and consistent.

Look at LR on the same day and explain to me if you see them much more stable...

Yes, LR looked more balanced overall than AM.  IMO.

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23 minutes ago, Enzedel92 said:

I absolutely despise the unbalanced hull shape of Patriot.  Can anyone explain the reasoning for the full bow with no stern??

Shes going.to turn into a beautiful frog just before the cup and amaze us all. 

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24 minutes ago, Enzedel92 said:

I absolutely despise the unbalanced hull shape of Patriot.  Can anyone explain the reasoning for the full bow with no stern??

Tapering the hull is allowing for quicker reduction of wetted surface when taking off

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14 hours ago, The_Alchemist said:

It only took NZ about a day to laminate the shell on AM’s mold.  AM could have done it in the corner of their own shed.  Of course it would have take time away from other other tasks, but they would have got it done.  I have said that everyone in the AM corner greatly appreciates the help.  I was just pointing out to not exaggerate how much NZ opened up their arms.

It takes more than a day to laminate a honeycomb sandwich panel- if you want to do it right!

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45 minutes ago, Enzedel92 said:

I absolutely despise the unbalanced hull shape of Patriot.  Can anyone explain the reasoning for the full bow with no stern??

They had to adjust the hull to accommodate the weight of the old fossils in the rear who do the driving and the pointing.:P

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The Resurrection of American Magic

A dramatic crash left a hole in the hull of a high-tech America’s Cup yacht. But a round-the-clock repair effort has brought the boat back from the dead.

 

“She picked up right where she left off — going fast,” Hutchinson said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/28/sports/sailing/american-magic-americas-cup.html?fbclid=IwAR3P9nrdR9jQMCc8oJLRu3PaYHwqKBDGzbvBFHwsZwqtUXCg7kTdbnpaLDQ

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57 minutes ago, Enzedel92 said:

I absolutely despise the unbalanced hull shape of Patriot.  Can anyone explain the reasoning for the full bow with no stern??

The skeg in the first 3/4 of the boat is to end plate the pressure differential between windward and leeward sides of the sailplan.  The aft quarter of the boat (when flying) allows that pressure differential to normalize and probably helps to minimize the disturbance that comes off the back of the boat.  Very aero solution from their friends in that industry.  The other three boats have also focused on the central bustle to help with takeoff.  To my eye NZ have the most developed hull shape (as close to a trimaran as you can get in a monohull, and the lowest/widest location of foil arm pivots to the rest of the boat). I think their foil solution with flattest foil dihedral and therefore longest section that goes perpendicular to that foil - which is very skinny, gives them the most mass furthest out from the boat when raised.

IMHO, flame away

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5 minutes ago, Barnyb said:

The Resurrection of American Magic

A dramatic crash left a hole in the hull of a high-tech America’s Cup yacht. But a round-the-clock repair effort has brought the boat back from the dead.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/28/sports/sailing/american-magic-americas-cup.html?fbclid=IwAR3P9nrdR9jQMCc8oJLRu3PaYHwqKBDGzbvBFHwsZwqtUXCg7kTdbnpaLDQ

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Interesting:

On Wednesday, an issue with a tripping battery that briefly cut power to the boat was resolved out on the water during the boat’s first post-capsize sail.

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19 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

Deano reminds me in some ways of Ed Baird who helmed Alinghi to victory in AC32. Both are very-very good helms, with a good measure of ice in their vines but still ‘cerebral.’ 

You  DO NOT  want to put these two sailor in the same sentence,   .....NEVER EVER ......
 

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19 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

Deano reminds me in some ways of Ed Baird who helmed Alinghi to victory in AC32. Both are very-very good helms, with a good measure of ice in their vines but still ‘cerebral.’ 

This is why I say what I say about Barker. You people act like he’s one of the best skippers/ helmsmen to compete in the AC. Dean Barker is a good sailor. Ed Baird is a GREAT sailor. Multiple world championships, and 2 AC wins. So far Barkers record is 0-5 2003, 2-5 2007, 8-9 2013, Semi final after being 3-1 up, lost to Artemis in 2017 and 0-6 2021. Not a good track record. 

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8 hours ago, MastaVonBlasta said:

In one of the recent interviews Andrew Campbell, the AM flight controller, mentioned that the control gizmo he's using have remained secret until other teams jumped in to help to save Patriot from sinking.

Has anyone managed to grab a photo of what his control station looks like? He's controlling it all by himself: flaps on both foils, cant angle on both foils, rudder pitch, dropping of boards?

It'd very interesting to see what kind of set up he's got there to do so much

The fact that the other teams may have seen their proprietary control systems during the rescue of Patriot is mostly irrelevant at this point. All the other teams are so far down the road on investing (from both a time in training and money spent) in their own flight control systems that even if ETNZ, LR and ITUK saw it and thought it was an amazing breakthrough, there's not enough time to develop their own version and get up to speed with it before they'd need it to be race ready.

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15 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

This is why I say what I say about Barker. You people act like he’s one of the best skippers/ helmsmen to compete in the AC. Dean Barker is a good sailor. Ed Baird is a GREAT sailor. Multiple world championships, and 2 AC wins. So far Barkers record is 0-5 2003, 2-5 2007, 8-9 2013, Semi final after being 3-1 up, lost to Artemis in 2017 and 0-6 2021. Not a good track record. 

t.someone who fails to understand that you cannot separate helmsman results from boat results. How can Ed be a "great" when he went 0-2 in 2010? Jimmy must be total trash for losing in Bermuda, and Outerridge and Cammas might as well be opti sailors if we look at their AC results from last cycle!

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51 minutes ago, Brutal said:

The fact that the other teams may have seen their proprietary control systems during the rescue of Patriot is mostly irrelevant at this point. All the other teams are so far down the road on investing (from both a time in training and money spent) in their own flight control systems that even if ETNZ, LR and ITUK saw it and thought it was an amazing breakthrough, there's not enough time to develop their own version and get up to speed with it before they'd need it to be race ready.

I do agree with that - it's too late in the game to completely change your foil control set-up to a single operator handling all parameters. This would definitely not work for Ineos and LR. Ineos have configured the deck and roles to suit their approach, and LR have the helms foil control.

The only other team that seems to be having a sole foil controller is ETNZ, but that's not that clear either. When Blair Tuke is running across someone else is doing that task - who? Glenn Ashby?

So they also have a set up that they've committed too and it definitely appears to be working for them.

It'd be cool to see photos of the bits anyways :)

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4 minutes ago, MastaVonBlasta said:

I do agree with that - it's too late in the game to completely change your foil control set-up to a single operator handling all parameters. This would definitely not work for Ineos and LR. Ineos have configured the deck and roles to suit their approach, and LR have the helms foil control.

The only other team that seems to be having a sole foil controller is ETNZ, but that's not that clear either. When Blair Tuke is running across someone else is doing that task - who? Glenn Ashby?

So they also have a set up that they've committed too and it definitely appears to be working for them.

It'd be cool to see photos of the bits anyways :)

ETNZ did the same thing in BDA. Burling drove the boat and Tuke had the foil controls to fly her on his "bike". All of the other boats were "flown" from the helm. I'm surprised that only AM adopted this approach out of the challengers. LR may have the leeward helm fly the boat since they are using two helmsmen. ITUK appears as though Ben does it all. 

I agree, seeing close-up photos of the onboard gadgets and toys would be cool. But I'd also wager that the ETNZ guys who were crawling about on Patriot weren't taking a moment to snap photos of AM's proprietary gear as they worked to save her from sinking.

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2 hours ago, crashtack said:

t.someone who fails to understand that you cannot separate helmsman results from boat results. How can Ed be a "great" when he went 0-2 in 2010? Jimmy must be total trash for losing in Bermuda, and Outerridge and Cammas might as well be opti sailors if we look at their AC results from last cycle!

Because he didn’t. There were 2 Alinghi helms. Berterelli and Peyron. Jimmy won and Defended with his back against the wall, Outteridge and Cammas are both world champions and Olympic medalists

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23 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

The choice to take GD up on his offer despite the likely HUGE invoice bill (GD’s role is primarily as a money opportunist)

Some years ago I was involved with the rebuild of Gipsy Moth IV in Auckland after she was put on the reef in the Tuamotus. Dalton offered the use of all ETNZ's facilities, and bent over backwards to help, along with Sean Regan, ETNZ's then boatbuilding chief. Dalton never asked for a cent.

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So fascinating to think about the sports psychology work going on at the moment within the American Magic team. So much to unpack: PTSD from the capsize, trust in the boat, old rivalries with Spithill, the do-or-die nature of these semifinals, etc. Love to know how these professionals deal with all of this even before the race starts. Imagine there must be conversations around the fact that this is it for AM, so push the boat as hard as possible knowing that it'll be a completely redundant piece of carbon fibre in two weeks time if they don't. Perhaps the underdog status will suit Barker's mindset too, who knows. Speaking of Barker, I am so bored of reading all the disparaging comments about him on this forum, for the last 7 years. Get over it, losers. He's a class act, can beat any of the other top notch skippers on a good day, and nobody needs reminding that he's also a far better sailor than any of the boring repetitive critics on here. And I bet he's having a fucking ball racing these beasts!

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6 minutes ago, Hemi said:

So fascinating to think about the sports psychology work going on at the moment within the American Magic team. So much to unpack: PTSD from the capsize, trust in the boat, old rivalries with Spithill, the do-or-die nature of these semifinals, etc. Love to know how these professionals deal with all of this even before the race starts. Imagine there must be conversations around the fact that this is it for AM, so push the boat as hard as possible knowing that it'll be a completely redundant piece of carbon fibre in two weeks time if they don't. Perhaps the underdog status will suit Barker's mindset too, who knows. Speaking of Barker, I am so bored of reading all the disparaging comments about him on this forum, for the last 7 years. Get over it, losers. He's a class act, can beat any of the other top notch skippers on a good day, and nobody needs reminding that he's also a far better sailor than any of the boring repetitive critics on here. And I bet he's having a fucking ball racing these beasts!

I don’t think any is saying that he’s a bad sailor. He’s a very good sailor there is no doubt. Is he one of the best in the world...well that’s a different question. 

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7 hours ago, The_Alchemist said:

 

 

Note to AC videographers: can you please include the head of the sail when taking video, especially for shots aligned fore/aft. Cropping the head is like a portrait that stops at the eyes.

If teams are playing with twist, particularly for active heel control and "reverse twist", it will be most evident at the head.

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6 hours ago, Enzedel92 said:

I absolutely despise the unbalanced hull shape of Patriot.  Can anyone explain the reasoning for the full bow with no stern??

I quite like it, it's much less conservative than might have been expected from NYYC.

There is a minimum 70 m3 volume requirement for the hull, with 40 m3 ahead of the mast which means the forward section has to be a bit bulky. The rear section of roughly 50 m2 only needs to be about 0.6 m deep on average. So the back half can be slimmed down, less boat is less windage/drag, so just enough to satisfy the rules and buoyancy requirements while minimising aero drag means AM's tapered stern is a more extreme version of what all the teams have done.

In a way it means the rear half of the hull is acting like a winglet for the sail, rather than trying to extend the hull as an endplate to the water surface as LR's full length skeg seems to be attempting.

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2 minutes ago, RobG said:

I quite like it, it's much less conservative than might have been expected from NYYC.

There is a minimum 70 m3 volume requirement for the hull, with 40 m3 ahead of the mast which means the forward section has to be a bit bulky. The rear section of roughly 50 m2 only needs to be about 0.6 m deep on average. So the back half can be slimmed down, less boat is less windage/drag, so just enough to satisfy the rules and buoyancy requirements while minimising aero drag just means AM's tapered stern is just a more extreme version of what all the teams have done.

In a way it means the rear half of the hull is acting like a winglet for the sail, rather than trying to extend the hull as an endplate to the water surface as LR's full length skeg seems to be attempting.

Ain't that the truth. 

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1 hour ago, Hemi said:

So fascinating to think about the sports psychology work going on at the moment within the American Magic team. So much to unpack: PTSD from the capsize, trust in the boat, old rivalries with Spithill, the do-or-die nature of these semifinals, etc. Love to know how these professionals deal with all of this even before the race starts. Imagine there must be conversations around the fact that this is it for AM, so push the boat as hard as possible knowing that it'll be a completely redundant piece of carbon fibre in two weeks time if they don't. Perhaps the underdog status will suit Barker's mindset too, who knows. Speaking of Barker, I am so bored of reading all the disparaging comments about him on this forum, for the last 7 years. Get over it, losers. He's a class act, can beat any of the other top notch skippers on a good day, and nobody needs reminding that he's also a far better sailor than any of the boring repetitive critics on here. And I bet he's having a fucking ball racing these beasts!

I think they can look at it that they survived about the worst crash that can happen in an AC75 at over 40 knots.  What else is there to be afraid of?  Just go all out with a quick hand on your knife if you need it.

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35 minutes ago, RobG said:

Note to AC videographers: can you please include the head of the sail when taking video, especially for shots aligned fore/aft. Cropping the head is like a portrait that stops at the eyes.

If teams are playing with twist, particularly for active heel control and "reverse twist", it will be most evident at the head.

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I think many of the locals are trying to emulate the big time French professional photographer.  Most of his shots are tightly cropped and stylish compared to the more distant, full boat shots that we were getting in the past.

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37 minutes ago, The_Alchemist said:

I think they can look at it that they survived about the worst crash that can happen in an AC75 at over 40 knots.  What else is there to be afraid of?  Just go all out with a quick hand on your knife if you need it.

They also can afford a loss or two at the start to get the boat humming again...first to four gives small amount of leeway.

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1 hour ago, mako23 said:

I don’t think any is saying that he’s a bad sailor. He’s a very good sailor there is no doubt. Is he one of the best in the world...well that’s a different question. 

It just seems to go on and on and on and on and on and on..

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47 minutes ago, The_Alchemist said:

I think they can look at it that they survived about the worst crash that can happen in an AC75 at over 40 knots.  What else is there to be afraid of?  Just go all out with a quick hand on your knife if you need it.

True! I really hope they push it even harder now!!

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Fuck me, credit where credit is due. Those blokes on AM have some huge balls getting out there racing in those conditions, right on the edge. They would have to have some doubts in the boat and whether it's all been put back together again, especially in those conditions. Hoping that something doesn't explode or let go, it'd be carnage.

Well done AM, hats off.

#respect

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Very disheartening for AM fans. TH did mention in his post race interview that the rudder was bent during the capsize, I wonder if the repair to it was not up to scratch?

Really, I've seen AM sailing way better that they did today, and yesterday during practice. There were also some practice videos prior to the capsize where AM didn't seem as balanced as before, but it's hard to tell.

Besides control, their VMG seems to have dropped significantly. Even upwind, when I would have thought the batwing might have given them a slight edge, they look to be sailing lower to the wind?

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4 minutes ago, Priscilla said:

Is there anyone in the Amway sailing squad that could handle the starts and then pass the wheel onto grandad.

TH is a bloody good tactician, having him grind is just dumb. He needs to be free to do what Giles Scott is doing, giving clear direct instruction to Dean, and then it's up to Dean to execute. Someone on that boat needs to be in charge, scrap the committee approach, it's not working.

Unfortunatley it's too late to put Goodison on the wheel or on tactics, there isn't anyone else in the team with his experience on the main.

 

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10 minutes ago, starlyte said:

Something I did notice with AM - I have not seen with the other boats..

During some of the zoomed in shots from the side of AM, I noticed the foil arm bouncing while it was in the water.

 

 

I notice as well. Maybe a bit like pumping a sail. :ph34r:

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7 hours ago, Brutal said:

ETNZ did the same thing in BDA. Burling drove the boat and Tuke had the foil controls to fly her on his "bike". All of the other boats were "flown" from the helm. I'm surprised that only AM adopted this approach out of the challengers. LR may have the leeward helm fly the boat since they are using two helmsmen. ITUK appears as though Ben does it all. 

I agree, seeing close-up photos of the onboard gadgets and toys would be cool. But I'd also wager that the ETNZ guys who were crawling about on Patriot weren't taking a moment to snap photos of AM's proprietary gear as they worked to save her from sinking.

It seems likely that the magic in any of their control systems is inside the box, not so much the layout of switches on the outside.  Also way too late to reverse engineer anything significant at this point.

Given the recent results who would want to copy AM anyway?  They deserve all the credit in the world for getting out there at all but they just weren’t in it today.  Hope they get it sorted out tomorrow.

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Gee America’s cup is a cruel game....I do kinda feel sorry for the Yankee Doodles. If they lose tomorrow’s races they will go through the challenger series winless. Yet this wouldn’t be a fair result for  the effort they have put in. They have been a good competent challenger,  who has had rotten luck. 

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So... so far we have the following:

LR has found its groove in higher winds through a combination of good sail choice,  new all-weather foils and KISS boat work.  Jimmy is winning the starts and there is better comms amongst the afterguard - although the latter may be due to being ahead and unchallenged around the course.

AM is looking very dodgy handling-wise,  finding it hard to go in a straight line and keep it together when completing a manouvre after going round the mark.  Reasons cited include too much main, old foils, flexing foil arms and a bent rudder.  Comms were simpler and clearer today but this may have more to do with being too far behind to get chatty about plans A B & C.  Or perhaps the  brains trust have nothing  left in the tank?

I hope it's a quick fix because this team doesn't deserve to leave without a win.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, mako23 said:

Gee America’s cup is a cruel game....I do kinda feel sorry for the Yankee Doodles. If they lose tomorrow’s races they will go through the challenger series winless. Yet this wouldn’t be a fair commentary of the effort they have put in. They have been a good competent challenger,  who has had rotten luck. 

That, or in the enduring words of Dirty Dennis, they're sailing a dog.

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34 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

That, or in the enduring words of Dirty Dennis, they're sailing a dog.

Sail I take great umbrage at your derision of the great big man the AC comeback skipper never to be replicated however that cat dog reference reminds me that these new fangled flying machines have achieved quite a lot considering the bedding in regattas never materialised.
Four syndicates four vastly different treatments of hulls foils booms no booms etc etc there has been considerable design wriggle room in the AC 75 and surprisingly the speed differences in a straight line are not that wildly different.

Amway knocked over Te Rehutai in their first encounter the Frackers came back from the dead the two race wins for the Handbags today are their first legitimate wins I think this regatta has a few more twists and turns left to come .

Wonder what this guy on the right would be thinking.

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51 minutes ago, Priscilla said:

Sail I take great umbrage at your derision of the great big man the AC comeback skipper never to be replicated however that cat dog reference reminds me that these new fangled flying machines have achieved quite a lot considering the bedding in regattas never materialised.
Four syndicates four vastly different treatments of hulls foils booms no booms etc etc there has been considerable design wriggle room in the AC 75 and surprisingly the speed differences in a straight line are not that wildly different.

Amway knocked over Te Rehutai in their first encounter the Frackers came back from the dead the two race wins for the Handbags today are their first legitimate wins I think this regatta has a few more twists and turns left to come .

Wonder what this guy on the right would be thinking.

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Is there a way back for AM? I'm sure there will be loads of analysis overnight for their team, but it's last chance saloon time.

Despite the smaller sail plan, they looked out of control often. peaking 53.3kts, imagine that bear away with larger main?!

There's wind tomorrow, if they can get ahead in both starts they could be able to stay ahead in at least one race.

then it's light (and shifty) on sunday/mon, so anyone's gamble.

 

 

no matter what, someone's going home this weekend, and Ineos are probably just studying the italians

 

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3 hours ago, starlyte said:

Something I did notice with AM - I have not seen with the other boats..

During some of the zoomed in shots from the side of AM, I noticed the foil arm bouncing while it was in the water.

In the press conference there was a question about their higher foil cant but Terry declined to comment. 

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8 minutes ago, sailfly said:

In the press conference there was a question about their higher foil cant but Terry declined to comment. 

They were certainly flying the tip higher than the orange LR tip. It works for etnz... From an eyeball look, no data, AM looked smart upwind.

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Sad but it appears they will go home without a win in the Prada Cup.! They are miles away from where they need to be to win a race and that's why it looks like straight sets and out. 

It also appears that Luna Rossa got faster while AM were re-building. But AM are getting smashed in the starts, Jimmy has owned Dean for a while I think. Their sails are way different to the other teams, the smaller foils, the vibration in the helm there's lot's of tell tale signs. They will need to do an Ineos turnaround overnight or it's Goodnight Irene. And most likely the last we'll see of Dean Barker steering an AC boat. 

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11 minutes ago, barfy said:

They were certainly flying the tip higher than the orange LR tip. It works for etnz... From an eyeball look, no data, AM looked smart upwind.

They weren't a scratch on LR. They had lower VMGs more often than not and also couldn't slip into the real high modes that LR could. Having said that, their biggest losses were through the maneouvres. A long long way to go to be competitive I'm afraid... 

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Much as SA dishes out the shit, I really feel for AM. Last 20 seconds on the Stbd stern cam after the finish said it all. Nobody moved. Deathly silence then someone, voice cracking a little "well that was pretty... disappointing". TH putting on a brave face at the presser but they looked gutted. Better luck tomorrow boys

 

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18 minutes ago, Aqua Firma 01 said:

They weren't a scratch on LR. They had lower VMGs more often than not and also couldn't slip into the real high modes that LR could. Having said that, their biggest losses were through the maneouvres. A long long way to go to be competitive I'm afraid... 

I'll wait till some graphs pop up...I agree they were soaking thru maneuvers. Need to be sharper. I did see some glimpses, the second beat. 

Not a fan, just trying to call what I see

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