Windward 673 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 I never understood how the big sport fishers can have those enclosed transoms and ship so much water over the stern. Seems like the engines would flood, or at least the sliding doors would leak something horrible since it would take 30 min to pump all that water out... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
See Level 1,173 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 Water tight doors, usually 2, one leading into the rod and gear storage, second door to engine room itself. Always kept dogged down underway. And watertight deck hatches in the fish cockpit. Sliding entry is above fishing cockpit level. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerseyguy 1,710 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 At least a half dozen folks I used to race with or against are now sporting 19’-23’ center console boats. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
montey_burns 4 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 On 12/22/2019 at 10:40 AM, ovclampett said: This Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Somebody Else 893 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 On 6/29/2020 at 3:59 PM, jerseyguy said: At least a half dozen folks I used to race with or against are now sporting 19’-23’ center console boats. Just like sailing! Almost zero protection from the elements with all the opportunity to get soaking wet. Just like an Etchells, no way to fuck and not have everyone watching. Girlfriend's gotta wee-wee. Uh oh! At best there might be a head in the console where her hair can get tangled in the steering cables. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fastyacht 2,600 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 On 7/1/2020 at 4:53 PM, Somebody Else said: Just like sailing! Almost zero protection from the elements with all the opportunity to get soaking wet. Just like an Etchells, no way to fuck and not have everyone watching. Girlfriend's gotta wee-wee. Uh oh! At best there might be a head in the console where her hair can get tangled in the steering cables. One of my absolute design requirements on center consoles is at least one padded seating area with 6"6" of length.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrXYZ 0 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 On 6/10/2020 at 7:26 PM, mcc1151 said: Take your pick. I like these Nimbus boats. On 6/10/2020 at 9:21 PM, Misbehavin' said: Not as classy as their older ones. I saw this Nimbus today. Broker website says it's from 2005 (the site is in Norwegian btw ): https://www.bergenmarinesenter.no/baater-til-salgs/baat/1302/nimbus Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JimC 1,017 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 The hull ought to be familiar, for some at least. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
See Level 1,173 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 Steam Punk FD? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ismotorsport 16 Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Found this gem for exploring the Tampa waters until the J/100 is ready to go. Designed with Sailors in mind and built by Dickerson Yachts in MD. Cruise at 12 kts with Perkins 120hp. Shallow draft enough to back in close to sandbars. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Somebody Else 893 Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 I could turn that into an outstanding Race Committee boat! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alaris 183 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 5 hours ago, Ismotorsport said: Found this gem for exploring the Tampa waters until the J/100 is ready to go. Designed with Sailors in mind and built by Dickerson Yachts in MD. Cruise at 12 kts with Perkins 120hp. Shallow draft enough to back in close to sandbars. That is really lovely in every way! Interior shots? Is it a one-off or production? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
D Wayne G 161 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Interesting to see that MOST folks think the transition from sailing to power should be a slow displacement Trawler type boat. OK fine. Me? I went for an Axopar 28. Cruise at 28/30 kts. Still have my sailboat, it’s fast too. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JimC 1,017 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Of opurse going back to the classics... http://www.uffafox.com/ankledp.htm 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MauiPunter 1,384 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 16 hours ago, Somebody Else said: I could turn that into an outstanding Race Committee boat! Cottage Park Yacht Club uses a boat like that for that exact purpose. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ProaSailor 674 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 9 hours ago, D Wayne G said: Cruise at 28/30 kts. "Tolman Alaskan Skiff" ("Jumbo") I have mentioned in other threads (video added below, different boat): Plywood/epoxy/fiberglass construction, 25.5' (he stretched a 24' design slightly), light weight, BEAUTIFUL! The guy and his wife live north of Seattle and have taken the boat from there all the way to Sitka, Alaska, on the water, ~800+ miles each way as the crow flies. They are towing it to Florida for the second time where they take it to the Bahamas. When on the trailer, they use it like an RV. Very impressive. https://www.tolmanskiffs.com/ https://smallboatsmonthly.com/article/jumbo/?fbclid=IwAR1MYX9a4r1Njn1wzm2tmf5mQIt-1ejNz3UWAq6-9q48I2fnjT_26GGRdOM https://www.woodenboat.com/boat-plans-kits/tolman-skiff-jumbo https://www.proboat.com/2014/09/renn-tolman-and-his-high-endurance-skiff/ And some mileage estimates for a different 24 foot Tolman Jumbo from here (Bend, Oregon): https://www.ifish.net/board/showpost.php?s=862c362a7a1278ad79b716c5baa4c99d&p=4449422 5.00 MPG @ 16.5 knots 4.83 MPG @ 21 knots 3.11 MPG @ 30 knots 2.66 MPG @ 33.5 knots Good numbers! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nige 72 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 32 minutes ago, ProaSailor said: 5.00 MPG @ 16.5 knots 4.83 MPG @ 21 knots 3.11 MPG @ 30 knots 2.66 MPG @ 33.5 knots Good numbers! They are great numbers for that sort of boat. Its all about the weight... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
D Wayne G 161 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, nige said: They are great numbers for that sort of boat. Its all about the weight... Agreed. I have seen that boat here in Nanaimo. Cool boat, interesting folks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jackolantern 597 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 13 hours ago, Alaris said: That is really lovely in every way! Interior shots? Is it a one-off or production? +1 on this question, that looks lovely Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IStream 3,415 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Is anyone making lightweight boats like this in production form? If I were to ever go over to the dark side, it sure as hell wouldn't be in a trawler. I'd want high efficiency at 15-20kts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marinatrix447 212 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Somewhat surprised Linda and Steve Dashew haven’t featured on this here thread: https://setsail.com/about-us/ The FPBs were a kool concept… and survived in build a fair few years… Sue talks you through it.... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
D Wayne G 161 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 It depends what you call light. My Axopar28AC is listed at 5,000 lbs. with 350 Merc Verado, dry. It burns 45 ltrs/hour at 4200 rpm. That is a cruise speed of 25/28 kts depending on conditions. That’s not quite as good as that Alaskan Skiff but still pretty good. I’m guessing that if you wanted a much lighter boat you would have to go custom build. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IStream 3,415 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 I'm thinking of light as roughly the same weights/lengths as listed for the Tolmans but what I really care about is efficiency. Anything better than 5mpg would be comparable to my sailboat (with the sails down). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trevor B 102 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 LOXO-32 is saying .5 liters per nautical mile at 12 knots. Light, efficient and gentle on the throttle makes for about 7.5 nm/gallon. And it looks like a sailboat without a rig! 9 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
barefoot children 41 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Timeless beauty 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sail4beer 3,413 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 I saw this in Belfast, Maine. 18’ squadron Yachts Bay Fisherman. I took an Hereshoff America Cat (same molds), cut the cabin top off, removed the centerboard trunk and made a great cocktail cruiser years ago. Has the nice boom for hauling lobster pots 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
On The Hard 451 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 We have a house on a small lake that sucks for sailing. We like to take our runabout for a sunset cruise when we are there. In my younger days I used to ski a lot, but not so much since I turned 60. Lake rules restrict LOA to 20' I would love a boat that is electric powered that could comfortably seat 8-10 and make 8-10 kts. A pontoon would even be OK. It's a small lake and about a 6 mile round trip so range is not an issue. wondering if the Torquedo that makes the equivalent of 20 hp would push a 20' pontoon boat better than 5-6 kts. Anyone have any experience? I've looked at some cool little lake boats but they all seem to top out at about 6kts. (Duffy) But as long as we are dreaming.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fastyacht 2,600 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 3 hours ago, On The Hard said: We have a house on a small lake that sucks for sailing. We like to take our runabout for a sunset cruise when we are there. In my younger days I used to ski a lot, but not so much since I turned 60. Lake rules restrict LOA to 20' I would love a boat that is electric powered that could comfortably seat 8-10 and make 8-10 kts. A pontoon would even be OK. It's a small lake and about a 6 mile round trip so range is not an issue. wondering if the Torquedo that makes the equivalent of 20 hp would push a 20' pontoon boat better than 5-6 kts. Anyone have any experience? I've looked at some cool little lake boats but they all seem to top out at about 6kts. (Duffy) But as long as we are dreaming.... 20 HP is plenty to go 6 knots on a pontoon. You can do cool things too. Like Tom's Cowamaran (Tom the Sun Cat guy who is now addicted to PA). See his threads somewhere on SA about it. Or you can do a Stillwater. Or a Plattform 19 from plans. http://www.stillwaterdesign.com/pages/launches.html https://www.facebook.com/wakelessdesign/ Or you could put a minnkota on a UFO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sail4beer 3,413 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 Ha! That would be a blast!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tanton Y_M 280 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 Almost a cartoon, but not! Little Red Rooster. From 4knots S/V to 4knots Tug. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyhound37 118 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 after 6 sailboats we decided on this ole gal: 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sail4beer 3,413 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 Ooooh! Nice Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Commercial Boater 126 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 On 8/10/2020 at 5:06 PM, Sail4beer said: I saw this in Belfast, Maine. 18’ squadron Yachts Bay Fisherman. I took an Hereshoff America Cat (same molds), cut the cabin top off, removed the centerboard trunk and made a great cocktail cruiser years ago. Has the nice boom for hauling lobster pots So cool! A red one of those used to live in Barnstable Harbor on the north side of Cape Cod for the longest time. I never knew what it was but I loved staring at it. On 8/2/2020 at 5:28 PM, Ismotorsport said: Found this gem for exploring the Tampa waters until the J/100 is ready to go. Designed with Sailors in mind and built by Dickerson Yachts in MD. Cruise at 12 kts with Perkins 120hp. Shallow draft enough to back in close to sandbars. A super cool boat with a beautiful sheerline! Almost looks like a Downeast style boat. Curious why the rudder isn't on a skeg like downeast boats though, I'd think that'd be desirable for cruising the sandbars. Has that been a concern for you at all? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sail4beer 3,413 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 30 minutes ago, Commercial Boater said: So cool! A red one of those used to live in Barnstable Harbor on the north side of Cape Cod for the longest time. I never knew what it was but I loved staring at it I actually saw a red one driving south from the Boston area on the way up but couldn’t get a pic of it since I was driving. Great hull form for a displacement powerboat. Mine is a zombie now after Sandy waiting with dreams of an onboard electric future. The technology has finally evolved to the point that I can consider it. Not going to wreck the lines with an outboard Torqueedo, they are as ugly as you can get for a marine design. Might be driving up there for a few days of relaxation in a few weeks after the heat blows out before I head up to Maine for some soul time Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brain-O 5 Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Does anyone have any information on this 30' Tender? Derecktor 30 pic[510].pdf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ProaSailor 674 Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, Brain-O said: Does anyone have any information on this 30' Tender? Derecktor 30 pic[510].pdf Google can help: https://www.google.com/search?q=Derecktor+High+Speed+Tender https://derecktor.com/derecktor-built-vessels/ https://www.commonwealthrv.com/Pre-Owned-Inventory-2002-Derecktor-Jet-High-Speed-Tender-30-Ashland-Virginia-7681782 Quote Retail Price: $29,900.00 Sale Price: $19,900.00 Year: 2002 Engine: Yammar 6LP Diesel Length: 30' 0" Beam: 9 Propulsion: Jet Drive Hull Material: Fiberglass Reinforced https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2002/derecktor-high-speed-tender-30-3578633/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brain-O 5 Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 I have that information... But I want to know if the boat has any bad habits, structural issues, design flaws, etc. Derecktor 30 pic[510].pdf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brain-O 5 Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Derecktor 30 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fastyacht 2,600 Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 The best powerboat for mark roundings: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LionessRacing 670 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 We probably will need a “Sailors’ wife’s powerboat”. Mine is thinking of something to run up and down the ICW with a group of sisters/kids/gkids. We have a boat ramp to ICW at our development, and a 45x12’ slip up at LightKeepers in Little River, SC for Lioness that could hold a pontoon used to shuttle up there. a bit of research suggests the 1998 4 stroke Honda 15 HP would move it 6kts sedately, and a larger motor more quickly. boat needs to be towable at <3500 lbs GVWR, and ideally easy enough to operate that Wife/kids/gkids can manage launch/operations and recovery seems to be quite a few 20-30’ pontoons on Craigslist and wide price range for new brands to favor/avoid ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pellefin 0 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOkfJkiwIsg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pellefin 0 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 8 minutes ago, Pellefin said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOkfJkiwIsg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slug zitski 575 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 https://nigelirens.com/boats/power-boats/rangeboat/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Perry 1,333 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sail4beer 3,413 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Narrow long range cruiser! What are the particulars?! Looks about 55’ with a 10 1/2’ beam from here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Parma 432 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 I kinda like Axopars 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Perry 1,333 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Beer: LOA 60' Beam 10.7' 150 hp for 20 knots. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socalrider 698 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, Bob Perry said: Beer: LOA 60' Beam 10.7' 150 hp for 20 knots. Very interesting. For those of us not blessed with PNW-scale protected cruising grounds I'm curious to hear your thoughts on stabilization for a long skinny light vessel like that both underway and at anchor. Fins+flop stopper+pole? Seakeeper gyro? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kimbottles 826 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 2 hours ago, socalrider said: Very interesting. For those of us not blessed with PNW-scale protected cruising grounds I'm curious to hear your thoughts on stabilization for a long skinny light vessel like that both underway and at anchor. Fins+flop stopper+pole? Seakeeper gyro? They make some smaller Seakeeper gyros, might works for this design at just a bit over 15,000 pounds of dis-lacement. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socalrider 698 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 45 minutes ago, kimbottles said: They make some smaller Seakeeper gyros, might works for this design at just a bit over 15,000 pounds of dis-lacement. That's what I was thinking - if you can use the $32k, 550lb Seakeeper 3, no inverter/generator is required - a big alternator will power it underway (85A), and you could even conceivably use it overnight in a roll-y anchorage if you had a good battery bank and big (2.5kW or so) solar array. Their specs say it's good up to 10.5T (fine) or 36-39' (hmm). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kimbottles 826 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 21 minutes ago, socalrider said: That's what I was thinking - if you can use the $32k, 550lb Seakeeper 3, no inverter/generator is required - a big alternator will power it underway (85A), and you could even conceivably use it overnight in a roll-y anchorage if you had a good battery bank and big (2.5kW or so) solar array. Their specs say it's good up to 10.5T (fine) or 36-39' (hmm). Seems that displacement would be more important than LOA. But what do I know, I am not an engineer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Perry 1,333 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 I'm not convinced it would need any stabilizers. It's so narrow I would think the motion would be gentle. The VCG is very low for a powerboat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The great unwashed 383 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Look at the Newfoundland keeping his center of gravity low! Who’s a good dog? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dolphinmaster 166 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 7 hours ago, Bob Perry said: Beer: LOA 60' Beam 10.7' 150 hp for 20 knots. I like the knife forward on the boot stripe, looks like a throwing knife. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Slowboat 22 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 I really like this one: https://www.berthoninternational.com/yacht-sales-brokerage/yachts-for-sale/63-nigel-irens-modern-classic-molly-ban-dublin/ As a stop gap in between sailboats we have a Chris-Craft launch 28. Pretty boat, fast, but uses a shit ton of gas. And I dislike driving a powerboat for long periods of time that I just want to go faster to get there sooner… Can you tell I’m shopping for a sailboat? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MauiPunter 1,384 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 When ever I dream of what motor yacht I would like to own, its one of those classic looking clipper motor yachts that could have been a schooner, has a bow sprint, but has no sails. Not even sure what to call this design or style. One showed up in Boston harbor a couples summers ago and I instantly fell in love. They feel like old money and have so much style. The yacht below, NERO, is what I would consider the powerboat I would want as a sailor.... Forget those modern superyachts that have no soul, this has it in spades..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Snaggletooth 5,167 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, MauiPunter said: When ever I dream of what motor yacht I would like to own, its one of those classic looking clipper motor yachts that could have been a schooner, has a bow sprint, but has no sails. Not even sure what to call this design or style. One showed up in Boston harbor a couples summers ago and I instantly fell in love. They feel like old money and have so much style. The yacht below, NERO, is what I would consider the powerboat I would want as a sailor.... Forget those modern superyachts that have no soul, this has it in spades..... Howe aboute a Monney 185? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sail4beer 3,413 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 10 hours ago, Bob Perry said: Beer: LOA 60' Beam 10.7' 150 hp for 20 knots. Yep. That makes for one hell of an easily driven hull. Nice on the eyes too ! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Perry 1,333 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Dolphin: That knife is Sgian Dubh pronounced "scain doo" a traditional Scottish knife worn tucked in your high sock. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Q 787 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 31 minutes ago, Bob Perry said: Dolphin: That knife is Sgian Dubh pronounced "scain doo" a traditional Scottish knife worn tucked in your high sock. and surprisingly for the UK, legal to be worn providing you are wearing a kilt... maximum blade length 3 inches.... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fastyacht 2,600 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Seakeepers are selling like hotcakes. And the fin stabilizers are also doing brisk business. Fins are superior to gyros at higher speeds on an installed weight basis; gyros more effective at low or no speed. You can develop a lot of heeling or pitching moment hydrodynamically when moving fast...but the fin makers build "zero speed" options which work well. Once you get past 100 feet the gyros get stupid heavy and numerous though. Oh and expensive. Client who has run offshore for 30 years told me that after he got his seakeeper, his old buddies don't want to be aboard if it isn"t running. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fastyacht 2,600 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, The Q said: and surprisingly for the UK, legal to be worn providing you are wearing a kilt... maximum blade length 3 inches.... 3 inches. Americans go 4" everything is bigger here haha Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foredeck Shuffle 306 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Pilothouse watermans work boat with a large open deck, heavy built, deep vee in front, nearly flat halfway back, low draft, glass not wood. Great for hanging out, running races, what ever you want to do and it is smooth in chop and doesn't buck in waves due to the heavy front with the deep vee, tends to split waves more than go over them. Been slowly rebuilding one for a little while, replaced the deck, faired bottom, every wire and electrical item replaced and exceeding ABYC recommendations. Have some electronics to select, been taking that slow due to the lack of availability. Will eventually repower, current engine is a workhorse and runs well but its old, will be last thing replaced and currently it maxes out around 22kts which seems about perfect. I only want to go fast when sailing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kent H 109 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 A fairly large number of lightweight sailboat builders and those involved in the engineering either have proposals or boats built that use less fuel than in the past. Lyman Morse has been contracted to build a 27 foot electric hydrofoil for a new firm. Navier 27 A sailors powerboat forces the same questions you would ask someone who is new to sailing. What do you want to do with it and how much money do you have to spend? For every letter in the alphabet somebody is targeting sailboat sailors for a new or used powerboat. Pick a letter and we have a boat. How about M? Melges has a powerboat and Mark Mills has a design. Tartan bought the molds to an older line of powerboats. Catalina is trying again with the molds to the Pearson 38 and 34. Sabre now has two lines of powerboats and has not built a sailboat in more than 10 years. One of the best ideas for US or Canadian sailors would be a used Ranger Tug. The 26 footer seems to be the reasonable priced boat. Go on your adventure and then sell it for close to what you paid for it. New Ranger Tugs but go used....much better price However my favorite powerboat for sailors allows you to still have a sail! Picture yourself hauling in this mainsail imagining you are crossing the ocean in a gale! Introducing the Grand Banks Trawler sailboat! Takes the saying "steady as she goes" to a new level of enjoyment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kent H 109 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 For those with pesos... Two Robert Perry proposals. The proposal that resembles a short range Hinckley jet boat in red was customized and built. The big difference being the RP design had a very long range on one tank of fuel for serious cruising. The second proposal where the owner might prefer to steer from the pilothouse appears to have a lot of potential with new build techniques for much better performance under sail than in the past. (Definitely my favorite). If neither of these work Kevin Dibley has the answer. Just put an oversized big honking Yanmar engine in your new Lyman Morse 46 and cruise all day at low double digit speeds... For the rest of us google Ranger Tug. Some of the small used ones have Volvo sailboat diesels. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Friggin' in the Riggin' 1 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 I’m in love with this one. https://cruisingodyssey.com/2021/09/14/new-aroha-29-a-light-and-fuel-efficient-coastal-cruiser/ 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fastyacht 2,600 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, Friggin' in the Riggin' said: I’m in love with this one. https://cruisingodyssey.com/2021/09/14/new-aroha-29-a-light-and-fuel-efficient-coastal-cruiser/ I like it! I designed a draketail 14 years ago but no cabin -- this one would be versatile. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socalrider 698 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 hour ago, fastyacht said: I like it! I designed a draketail 14 years ago but no cabin -- this one would be versatile. Off Center Harbor has a great set of videos around this vessel; it has a very innovative propellor as well. I love it as well. Also looks like a great candidate for a small Seakeeper to make it more comfortable in a seaway. https://www.offcenterharbor.com/videos/going-fast-one-modest-engine-whios-propeller/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waynemarlow 211 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Firebird Trimaran on Facebook and Apollo Duck, not a lot of money. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Dino 10 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 I haven’t seen a Broom on this thread. Great boat with superb accommodation. This is my boat out cruising on the Atlantic coast of SW Ireland last July. I’ve raced and cruised all sorts over the years but I’d rather cruise a motorboat nowadays as time is a bit limited. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nige 72 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 47 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said: Firebird Trimaran on Facebook and Apollo Duck, not a lot of money. oh god no. My brother in the UK sent me the link to that thing a year ago. Cheap for sure but its been done so badly... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
robalex117 159 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 This one works for me. True North 38. Cruises at around 17 knots. Top speed 23K. Comfortable for a week for two people. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pertinacious Tom 1,923 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 On 8/10/2020 at 8:49 PM, fastyacht said: Like Tom's Cowamaran (Tom the Sun Cat guy who is now addicted to PA). See his threads somewhere on SA about it. I sold the Sun Cat a while back and am now a Picnic Cat guy. It's not my Cowmaran, though I'm jockeying for third in line to inherit it. Or maybe fourth, I don't know. It's getting a pair of new 20 hp Suzuki's this week. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sp543 4 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Saw this boat yesterday, 60'er built by Goetz. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Russell Brown 1,235 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 4 hours ago, Lochnerian Tom said: I sold the Sun Cat a while back and am now a Picnic Cat guy. It's not my Cowmaran, though I'm jockeying for third in line to inherit it. Or maybe fourth, I don't know. It's getting a pair of new 20 hp Suzuki's this week. Just put a bunch of hours on my new Suzuki 20. It burns less fuel than I was expecting. Still need to total up my hours and fill-ups, but I think it's well under 1 gallon per hour at around 5000 rpm (tops out at 5800). Seem like a really nice motor. Why a pair of them instead of one? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fastyacht 2,600 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 A long time ago I did a rower's powerboat. It was also a cat. I did not have the guts to push the idea of the motor being on one hull. Wish I did. The motor makes a lot of wake of its own. Maybe someday. But that market is now owned by others. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hitchhiker 1,154 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 I'm quite keen on the Nimbus 365. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nige 72 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Russell Brown said: Just put a bunch of hours on my new Suzuki 20. It burns less fuel than I was expecting. Still need to total up my hours and fill-ups, but I think it's well under 1 gallon per hour at around 5000 rpm (tops out at 5800). Seem like a really nice motor. Why a pair of them instead of one? One outboard for the efficiency, two for the warm and fuzzies (depending on your playground and conditions you’ll be in ;) ) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Snaggletooth 5,167 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 6 hours ago, sp543 said: Saw this boat yesterday, 60'er built by Goetz. Thast a sweetey! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kimbottles 826 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 6 hours ago, sp543 said: Saw this boat yesterday, 60'er built by Goetz. https://www.northropandjohnson.com/yachts-for-sale/beach-plum-60-goetz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Russell Brown 1,235 Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 5 hours ago, nige said: One outboard for the efficiency, two for the warm and fuzzies (depending on your playground and conditions you’ll be in ) Warm and fuzzies? Single outboard is still safer than flying in a single engine airplane. Have you ever had one quit? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kimbottles 826 Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Russell Brown said: Warm and fuzzies? Single outboard is still safer than flying in a single engine airplane. Have you ever had one quit? Actually I have twice been in a small plane when the engine stopped. I am not a pilot. Both times the pilot managed to get the engine restarted. Not nearly as concerning as sailing in a Force Ten Storm. The engines stopping was quite peaceful and quiet. The storm was LOUD! Small planes glide fairly well, but fortunately we didn’t have to demonstrate that quality either time. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nige 72 Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 37 minutes ago, Russell Brown said: Warm and fuzzies? Single outboard is still safer than flying in a single engine airplane. Have you ever had one quit? I think I had about 90% of your reply correct in my mind when I wrote that I LOVE the single engine and want to build a different version of the green tri at some point as the efficiency was so good and I learned so much about what did and didn't work. But When I'm out on a longer trip, in shitty conditions in Totoro, especially if I have the kids with me etc, it does make me feel better knowing I have two engines, two fuel tanks, batteries and fuel lines. I'd never had any failures with the 20's on the tri or Totoro at all. I have had two electrical (boat not outboard) and fuel supply issues since we put the 40's on Totoro- 600 hours ago - and have come home on one engine once, but its not something I expect or am concerned about. I'm not saying it would be the choice I'd make on another boat, just that if that is your priority, twins give you that... (more things = more potential problems too obviously ) 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Russell Brown 1,235 Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 It just seems like so much more weight and expense and complexity to design for twin engines, not to mention the fuel burn. I'd rather carry a tiny "get home" motor. I'd like to know how Totoro handles with one engine kicked up. I like what Aspen has done with their single engined asymmetrical power cats. I have seen one going by and was struck by how clean the wake was for a big power cat. The photo is of the wake of my new 23 footer at 18 knots 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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