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40 minutes ago, Trickypig said:

I love nics work. She’s always there tp cover sailing that won’t otherwise get covered. 

The sidekick on the Abc Hobart live feed was really good in his own way too. Does anyone know who he was?

I think it was someone called Stannard from Australian Sailing, anyhoo a sailing journo who knew his stuff and had a sense of humour.

He was a bit taken aback though when someone asked why WOXI’s engine was running...

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OK...so I've nearly sobered up... and want to say a few things to the SA team that have followed the Voodoo story. Firstly  - Thank you for your support and input! From the outset I've put though

I was on shore for my live interview show, and then live with the ABC Grandstand radio for the start.  Channel 7 has full rights to all live vision - so there was really no point going on the wat

I have received dozen emails/private messages about my tracker for this year. I have updated to new Windy version and I hope it will work on boxing day https://gis.ee/sh/

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1 hour ago, paps49 said:

Ok, we get it you did a Lincoln Race, start a thread.

Wow, you're a miserable shit, aren't you? Jolly good, old chap.  You'll be the local I don't care about meeting.  On the upside... I look forward to seeing Ichi Ban.  And yeah, I'll be on that thread.

And....YAY THE GIRLS!!!!!!!!!!!

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10 minutes ago, olaf hart said:

I think it was someone called Stannard from Australian Sailing, anyhoo a sailing journo who knew his stuff and had a sense of humour.

He was a bit taken aback though when someone asked why WOXI’s engine was running...

Yes, saw/heard that! Laughed. 

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53 minutes ago, paps49 said:

Pot of mussels on the stove, still 36C outside I'm going to drown my sorrows. Can we bowl India out for under 500?

Start a thread. Not sure you'll get the Septics interested in anything other than Australian Rules Baseball (AKA BBL), tho.

Cheers.

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2 hours ago, Next Level said:

M3 team Hungary in jervis bay 

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I hope Roni the skipper and rigger by trade carried out a rigging check before the race. Also believe Roni rigging is a sponsor for the CYCA?

Also hope this chartered boat is insured?

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1 hour ago, paps49 said:

Stanbeck I think.

 

 

45 minutes ago, olaf hart said:

I think it was someone called Stannard from Australian Sailing, anyhoo a sailing journo who knew his stuff and had a sense of humour.

He was a bit taken aback though when someone asked why WOXI’s engine was running...

Just found out his name is Glen Stanaway and he works for Australian Sailing in Tasmania.

He had done his homework and had some interesting things to say... I hope he pops up on next yars commentary 

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2 hours ago, shanghaisailor said:

Now if sailing had the sort of fan base soccer or Aussie Rules had perhaps "7" might provide (invest in) better and more comprehensive coverage.

Or the crikkit. Then mebbe we'd all be over on paps49's thread chatting about it.

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4 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

First my comment on a technical problem being not far fetched was in the context of interweb AIS trackers recieving a signal due to output power loss via coax cable/connections. For a boats close by even with that power loss, a technical problem becomes a bit far fetched. Having a technical problem occur in Sydney Harbour with a myriad of AIS station recievers close by and 2 hours before the start off Bradley Head, the far fetched ratchets up.

Testing transmit and receive at sea is limited to receive only and if that is in order for a reasonable (max distance of say 15 mile on a 100') you can assume transmit is generally in order, in so far as any coax cable/connector losses may be involved. 

For a program like WOXI's every communication and data device/network would be properly tested before leaving the dock. In fact every program regardless of budget should be doing so, particularly those that utilise AIS PLB's. In the case of AIS and VHF sharing the same coax cable and antenna it would involve testing with a Power Meter to measure the forward power (from the device to the coax) and the reflected power (from the coax back to the device) with and without antenna. 

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Jack, just a clarification, I reckon we do have self test now. I have a pre-amplifier where my AIS and VHF "T" into the single coax/antenna normal rig.

The pre-amp will alert you to an AIS transponder failure, and also has a coax/antenna failure alert. Might not be deep packet inspection shit, but it's eminently suited for the most common failures.

So, in a way, you do have near enough to a damn good self test capability even with production kit without any external links like the ground stations/www.

   

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On 12/27/2018 at 9:44 AM, hoppy said:

is this a sell out by the CYCA or ch7 playing hardball?

After viewing that atrocious start coverage with incessant advertising I have to wonder if CYCA is in fact trousering a share of the Advertising revenue?

Otherwise, as the controlling body and owner of the event, why do they condone that sort of coverage year after year despite the annual howls of protest.

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On 12/27/2018 at 9:42 AM, SPORTSCAR said:

Off on a 9 hour Road Trip, Melbourne to sunny Ulladulla to meet Patriot who are on their way there under emergency steering after losing their rudder last night. All are safe and well on board but understandably devastated. I am taking rum and champagne with me as consoling fluid to assist them in their hour of need. 

Back home after a 1640Km round trip drive from Melbourne to Ulladulla to bring back race sails and gear, and Mrs S, from the rudderless Patriot. A temporary rudder will be fitted tomorrow and she will make her way under steam to Sydney for a more permanent repair. Crew understandably shattered but discussions re next year already taking place. 

Sorry to see 2 Unlimited suffered a similar fate and wish them well making it to port

We are on the Bass Strait  ferry to Devonport tomorrow morning and then on to Hobart to pick up the other gear, delivery sails etc sent down in the container and to drown sorrows at one or all of the waterfront inebriatoriums.

 

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2 hours ago, paps49 said:

Pot of mussels on the stove, still 36C outside I'm going to drown my sorrows. Can we bowl India out for under 500?

Interesting that flicked a parallel switch in my head.

Sailing largely a self policing sport when it comes to cheating. Also one with one of its lead characters not one who readily elicits much sympathy as a consequence of recent actions in the eyes of some.

Maybe Richo sanded the AIS away with a little bit of yellow sandpaper?

Then there is the question of ruling bodies being forced to react to controversy. Maybe the President of Australian Sailing and Vice-Chair of World Sailing’s Oceanic & Offshore Committee might be presented with a shit sandwich, not a rum and coke to digest, when he steps off Ichi in an hour or so.

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8 minutes ago, Rantifarian said:

Ugly finish for ichi and friends, every time I look at the tracker speeds are dropping. They have been about an hour away for an hour!

For every mile they go they drop a knot in BS. At 3.5nm DTG doing 3.1 kt they will coast over. Definitely WOX got #2 spot.

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5 minutes ago, SPORTSCAR said:

Back home after a 1640Km round trip drive from Melbourne to Ulladulla to bring back sails and gear, and Mrs S, from the rudderless Patriot. A temporary rudder will be fitted tomorrow and she will make her way under steam to Sydney for a more permanent repair. Crew understandably shattered but discussions re next year already taking place. 

 

I wondered who that was trying to play chicken with me on the Princes Hwy this afternoon.

You win, I only did 815km today to pick up a Hobie 16

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Just now, Rushman said:

I wondered who that was trying to play chicken with me on the Princes Hwy this afternoon.

You win, I only did 815km today to pick up a Hobie 16

Went up via the coast and came back via Canberra so not guilty Rushman

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11 minutes ago, Rushman said:

I wondered who that was trying to play chicken with me on the Princes Hwy this afternoon.

You win, I only did 815km today to pick up a Hobie 16

I would have saved the petrol (Sorry!)

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Well, that's the hard part out of the way, having the balls to protest it.

Regardless of the outcome, that was the very right and very smart thing to do by the RC.

Hope it doesn't open up a rat hole, ie: who-else-was-naughty?

 

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6 minutes ago, Recidivist said:

I would have saved the petrol (Sorry!)

All good, the Hobie is for shits and giggles sailing at Marlo on the Snowy River with the non sailing extended family.  The plan is to find one with some interest, then tackle the entrance and go for an ocean sail.

As an added bonus the trip was also a mercy mission to pick up a bag of drugs for the brother in law (PTSD after serving OS)

 

21 minutes ago, SPORTSCAR said:

Went up via the coast and came back via Canberra so not guilty Rushman

Good option, the Hume is my preferred option too.  

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10 minutes ago, Maw said:

Well, that's the hard part out of the way, having the balls to protest it.

Regardless of the outcome, that was the very right and very smart thing to do by the RC.

Hope it doesn't open up a rat hole, ie: who-else-was-naughty?

 

I’d say they are ticking boxes to keep sponsors and all concerned happy. Not much with happen apart from a bit of news on 7 in the morning. 

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5 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Excellent find.

Time to put the crash helmets on. The WOXI fanboys are going to be livid.

Won't be a time penalty. DSQ or Exoneration is the only outcome.

If they get flicked for the second time in 2 years, I wonder if the family might dispense with his services for next year?

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I'm not an Oats fanboi, but I respect their program greatly.  But for the last few years I have wondered whether Ricko is the right person to "represent their brand" as the movers and shakers say today.

I think he has fucked up a number of times lately - bearing in mind that I haven't have the responsibility of starting a boat of that size.

He shut down the Big Fella a couple of years ago - "I know that...", and Ian Murray wasn't apparently in the "picture" for the infamous tack last year.   MR didn't do himself any favours over that incident with his public pronouncements.  And now, foot in mouth disease again.  It's understandable that some people perceive him to be a cunt with no respect for the rules.

In my opinion, the Oatley family are not being served well.  I would expect they would be worrying about the repeated stains on their family name from this one source.  I would not be surprised to see a development, and I would be surprised to see no development, despite the close family and business ties. 

 

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6 minutes ago, Rushman said:

All good, the Hobie is for shits and giggles sailing at Marlo on the Snowy River with the non sailing extended family.  The plan is to find one with some interest, then tackle the entrance and go for an ocean sail.

As an added bonus the trip was also a mercy mission to pick up a bag of drugs for the brother in law (PTSD after serving OS)

 

Good option, the Hume is my preferred option too.  

Thanks to your BIL for his service. Sorry to learn he has PTSD issues as a result.

 

 

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1 hour ago, jack_sparrow said:

Times up for Ichi with 6 nm DTG doing 6kts. Alive clears first and largest Tatts hurdle. Question now is whether it is WOX or Ichi which keeps Voodoo and @Couta off the podium.

Well Jack you tipped this right on the button mate. Very impressed as you did it a long way out really. Congrats I burnt my money on the Chief and Ichi Ban. It's all part of the fun.

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6 minutes ago, SPORTSCAR said:

Thanks to your BIL for his service. Sorry to learn he has PTSD issues as a result.

The drugs let him sleep.... occasionally.  A long tough road with no finish line in sight yet but he is still here

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13 minutes ago, overlay said:

Didn't Richo dodge a bullet with a  RC investigation into lack of HF reporting at Green Cape a few years back?

Will this hearing be any different?

Time will tell.

7 or 8 years ago? No different International Jury. They shouldn't have been DSQ as their delay was a blown fuse and they got HF up and going shortly afterward. Controversy was distance they travelled in that period without penalty.

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31 minutes ago, Maw said:

Well, that's the hard part out of the way, having the balls to protest it.

Regardless of the outcome, that was the very right and very smart thing to do by the RC.

Hope it doesn't open up a rat hole, ie: who-else-was-naughty?

 

I checked AIS a couple of times on the 27th and neither Oats or Infotrak were showing. 

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28 minutes ago, terrafirma said:

Well Jack you tipped this right on the button mate. Very impressed as you did it a long way out really. Congrats I burnt my money on the Chief and Ichi Ban. It's all part of the fun.

Thanks.Subject to any on the water, which I can't see now with Voodoo on the podium that is the Trifecta in order and I think made over a week ago.

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13 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Itching 1.1nm DTG at 1.1kts..this is some sort of ratcheting hourly curse.

Yes and I know how they feel. Been there done that many years ago..... The Derwent at night can be cruel.

PS

Official, Winning now fourth...

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1 minute ago, overlay said:

A protest has been lodged against the 2018 Sydney to Hobart winner Wild Oats XI with the Race Committee advising there may have been a breach of regulations.

The Race Committee received a report from the owner of Black Jack saying that Wild Oats XI's automatic identification system (AIS) had not transmitted throughout the race.

The organisers of the race, the Cruising Yacht Club of Australia (CYCA), said it had received the protest from the Race Committee.

"The Race Committee is independent of the organising authority of the race to ensure objectivity is maintained and seen to be maintained in circumstances such as this," the CYCA Commodore, Paul Billingham said.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-28/protest-lodged-against-wild-oats-xi-sydney-to-hobart/10672796

Ahhhhh... The report from Peter Harburg.

That should spice things up.

If Peter Harburg has given a report to the Race Committee re Wild Oats AIS then why didn't he also report Infotrack for the same thing. He would have been aware Infotrack wasn't transmitting either.

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1 hour ago, Maw said:

Well, that's the hard part out of the way, having the balls to protest it.

Regardless of the outcome, that was the very right and very smart thing to do by the RC.

Hope it doesn't open up a rat hole, ie: who-else-was-naughty?

 

It should end with a fleet wide slaying. On the surface it's a safety thing and should be treated thus. 

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7 minutes ago, Mahina said:

If Peter Harburg has given a report to the Race Committee re Wild Oats AIS then why didn't he also report Infotrack for the same thing. He would have been aware Infotrack wasn't transmitting either.

Bearing in mind such a report is not yet certain despite what is stated, why is a competitor suddenly the RC's policeman for the entire fleet? It all hinges on the RC being aware. BJ owner lit that fuse on the ABC. It is not the RC's job to start some fleet wide Witch-hunt.

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2 minutes ago, overlay said:

Yer as soon as they worked out WO was in stealth mode.

Doesn't always pay to follow Richos lead ,maybe.

Look at marine traffic during almost any race. Like clockwork you can see boats turn off AIS.

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1 minute ago, jack_sparrow said:

Bearing in mind such a report is not yet certain despite what is stated, why is a competitor suddenly the RC's policeman for the entire fleet? It all hinges on the RC being aware. BJ owner lit that fuse on the ABC. It is not the RC's job to start some Witch-hunt.

How hard is it for RC to check? Were they blind and didn’t notice for a day and a half?

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1 minute ago, Maw said:

Yes,

But I've never seen it stated in the SI's as mandatory either.

 

Oh it's in there and many others also. The Volvo Ocean Race for example. In fact where safety offshore is a potential issue. No AIS means potentially no ability to talk to the personal AIS of a man overboard.

And if anyone is in any doubt just think back to tragic Scallywag's situation.

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3 minutes ago, TPG said:

Look at marine traffic during almost any race. Like clockwork you can see boats turn off AIS.

Not sure how much can rely on on Marine Traffic. It shows no position for Alive from N/E of Scamander until the start of Storm Bay. This could open up a whole can of worms.

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Just now, Mahina said:

Not sure how much can rely on on Marine Traffic. It shows no position for Alive from N/E of Scamander until the start of Storm Bay. This could open up a whole can of worms.

It'll be a FUN can of worms!

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1 minute ago, shanghaisailor said:

Oh it's in there and many others also. The Volvo Ocean Race for example. In fact where safety offshore is a potential issue. No AIS means potentially no ability to talk to the personal AIS of a man overboard.

And if anyone is in any doubt just think back to tragic Scallywag's situation.

Which someone has to go down to the nav station to watch MOB position which means they turn it on. AIS is instant on fyi. 

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10 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

How many of those races have mandatory AIS transmit in the SI's?

Bermuda Race - AIS transmit is mandatory at the start and finish.., but not in between.

we turn transmit off after the start.., but receive remains on.

then at the finish we turn transmit on again.

i have a switch at the nav station

that's what happened here - someone hit the transmit switch and turned it off. they were receiving the whole race

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5 minutes ago, TPG said:

Which someone has to go down to the nav station to watch MOB position which means they turn it on. AIS is instant on fyi. 

Two actions instead of one. You are also assuming the person that rushes down is 100% familiar with the particular set and the correct way to set it up. Most people can read a screen.

Any delay increases the distance between vessel and MOB. That's not a good thing nor is it a good look in a court of enquiry.

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4 minutes ago, us7070 said:

Bermuda Race - AIS transmit is mandatory at the start and finish.., but not in between.

we turn transmit off after the start.., but receive remains on.

then at the finish we turn transmit on again.

i have a switch at the nav station

that's what happened here - someone hit the transmit switch and turned it off. they were receiving the whole race

Question: do you switch transmit off to save on electrons?

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1 minute ago, Sidecar said:

Ichi Ban going backwards? This could get really cruel......

Boat’n. Gotta love it. When I last looked it was 6 miles to go at  0.8 knots. That’s 7 -8 hours for 6 miles. 

Not the first time Boat’s have parked just shy of the line. But terribly painful. 

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Just arrived in Hobart for the pending national champs for the kids in various dinghies /cats .... apartment is above the bay and we can see two sets of lights crawling to the finish ... it is so still out there it will take them ages!!

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7 minutes ago, shanghaisailor said:

Two actions instead of one. You are also assuming the person that rushes down is 100% familiar with the particular set and the correct way to set it up. Most people can read a screen.

Any delay increases the distance between vessel and MOB. That's not a good thing nor is it a good look in a court of enquiry.

And how do you know the mfd is on the right screen at the time and how do you know all crew know how to navigate through the mfd? Your hypothetical is stupid.

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MarineTraffic and similar only get reports from land-based stations or satellite based AIS if I recall correctly.  Ship-to-ship will have a more continuous feed but harder to check retrospectively; not sure if there are any regs on the transmit power.

 

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17 minutes ago, shanghaisailor said:

Two actions instead of one. You are also assuming the person that rushes down is 100% familiar with the particular set and the correct way to set it up. Most people can read a screen.

Any delay increases the distance between vessel and MOB. That's not a good thing nor is it a good look in a court of enquiry.

as i have said about 5 times - they were receiving..., but not transmitting

the MOB thing is not an issue