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OK...so I've nearly sobered up... and want to say a few things to the SA team that have followed the Voodoo story. Firstly  - Thank you for your support and input! From the outset I've put though

I was on shore for my live interview show, and then live with the ABC Grandstand radio for the start.  Channel 7 has full rights to all live vision - so there was really no point going on the wat

I have received dozen emails/private messages about my tracker for this year. I have updated to new Windy version and I hope it will work on boxing day https://gis.ee/sh/

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17 minutes ago, shaggybaxter said:

Absolutely love it when Jack's talking dirty, But that applies to Rec/DD/Longy?Lydia/Francis and everybody else chipping in too.

Like brain porn... 

 

I'm over it..... time for some weather reports or handicap info

 

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3 minutes ago, PIL66 said:

I'm over it..... time for some weather reports or handicap info

 

;) Can understand that completely!

Here's one..Handicap info...I reckon Cookson 50's should be reduced in handicap compared to the TP52's. 

Edit: Purely for selfish reasons, bugger the rationale, I just love the boat.

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I agree... I walk past DD's ride "About Time" and just stare at it's beauty.....

for those that don't know.... Last nights CYC twilight had a 45 knot rain squall that serious decimated the fleet.... it was carnage and quite scary as it came from nowhere... Every one had full gear up.... Picture 10 boats drifting within 200ft of each other and then BOOM.... zero viability.... 

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12 minutes ago, shaggybaxter said:

;) Can understand that completely!

Here's one..Handicap info...I reckon Cookson 50's should be reduced in handicap compared to the TP52's. 

Edit: Purely for selfish reasons, bugger the rationale, I just love the boat.

Are the Cookson 50's your referring to the ones with the canting keels? All recent studies point to the 50-52 foot size as the ideal handicap boats however I remember back in the late 90's it was the 40 footers that had a run on winning handicaps. I think in last years Hobart Ichi ban and Quest beat the Italian Cookson 50 over the line between 1-2 hours. Off course the C50's have some form of interior however they also have electric winches I believe? Interesting comparing these with the modern TP52's. 

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2 hours ago, olaf hart said:

On the ladder wire groundplane trick, I was under the impression it should be under the waterline like the KISS thing,  not under the gunwhales.

Any of you learned gentlemen wish to comment?

I think the understanding of a counterpoise or ground plane radials is the least understood subject in HF radio. A antenna is made up of two parts, the vertical and the horizontal.

The idea of a good ground plane is to "reflect" the maximum of your radiated signal, and stop it being absorbed into the ground or water. It also "reflects" the received signal into your vertical antenna and also improves the low angle recieving pattern. The reality is whether it is on a boat or suburban backyard for HAM enthusiasts there are constraints to implementing that. As a consequence of that it is the subject which seems to produce the most theories or solutions some forgetting what its function is in the first place and incorrectly correlating between some of the solutions.

For instance for the one you mention of placing below the waterline probably comes from the submersed ground plate where the conductivity and surface of the water is being employed as that "reflector" and distribution in the bilge being probably easier than placing them above the waterline internally. The terrestrial equivalent is the suburban HAM crew who bury their radials below the surface not because it improves the function but for practicality issues, particularly if they have kids. Placed below the ground surface actually degrades the effectiveness compared to elevated radials but in ground is more practical and the loss accepted. If soil resistance is high more radials are also required to compensate.

The optimum position above the ground or water is 300mm to 1500mm. That is why using S/S lifelines on a race boat is quite an effective counterpoise solution as the drag of a ground plate is not acceptable.

The suburban HAM guy might have to bury his horizontal radials for practicality but there is no hiding his vertical antenna component from the neighbourhood. 

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2 hours ago, Recidivist said:

And that, Jack, is just the point.

I gave up cold water sailing many years ago, and happily traded those Tshirts for Raja Muda and Kings Cup ones.  Snorkelling in Banda Naira or the Tanimbars beats the crap out of hunkering down in Wineglass Bay!

Rec couldn't agree more. I was simply making a comparison between training programs at the big end such as those in the BW series and Comanche in particular putting lots of time in compared to the Scally mob sitting on a Orma in a place with no breeze, particularly when the boat has been in the shed for over a year getting a new keel etc. Makes you question how serious they are.

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On 11/19/2018 at 5:26 AM, monosailor said:

Isn’t this why there is ORCi/ ORCi Club? Just not many clubs support it?

ORC Club looks good, but there seems to be many Australian designs that aren't on their hull file list (and would therefore require full hull measurement as I understand it) and also it still requires a lot more measuring and messing about than the yardstick/PHRF style systems that just about every other major sailing country manages to offer its sailors, and that Australia offers to dinghy, cat and TY sailors. I've been in small clubs that offered measured ratings; they are great but there's a lot of stuffing around and you never get the whole fleet taking it up. 

PHRF/yardstick racing has its problems (although there's a lot of info from other systems about how to deal with them, like the PHRF adjustments for non-standard sails and props) but so does arbitrary, and at least PHRF gives you an incentive to get serious and to travel as well as a way of working out whether you, your boat and your crew are getting better.

You can flick back to Hobart results from when the fleets were bigger (there was an average of 140 starters through the '80s) and you see that heaps of the owners had started out in offshore racing in 30-34 foot cruiser/racers, and many of them would have had smaller cruiser/racers that raced in OD classes or in JOG before that. At the moment there's not many ways to do that sort of thing in Australia.  In contrast, countries where the fleets are still big have classes of small cruiser/racers or old racers.

 

 

 

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24 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Rec couldn't agree more. I was simply making a comparison between training programs at the big end such as those in the BW series and Comanche in particular putting lots of time in compared to the Scally mob sitting on a Orma in a place with no breeze, particularly when the boat has been in the shed for over a year getting a new keel etc. Makes you question how serious they are.

Mate, Witty doesn't need to practice - he and the boys are having a little fun time. *wink*

Reckon you're right though - the big indian is working up a lot harder.  Same with WOXI and BJ.  It does smack of complacency - but maybe Team Scally's owner wants to build/ maintain an image in home waters.

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1 hour ago, PIL66 said:

I agree... I walk past DD's ride "About Time" and just stare at it's beauty.....

for those that don't know.... Last nights CYC twilight had a 45 knot rain squall that serious decimated the fleet.... it was carnage and quite scary as it came from nowhere... Every one had full gear up.... Picture 10 boats drifting within 200ft of each other and then BOOM.... zero viability.... 

Betcha glad you didn't have 66 (easy name to spell) out!

 

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1 hour ago, terrafirma said:

Are the Cookson 50's your referring to the ones with the canting keels? All recent studies point to the 50-52 foot size as the ideal handicap boats however I remember back in the late 90's it was the 40 footers that had a run on winning handicaps. I think in last years Hobart Ichi ban and Quest beat the Italian Cookson 50 over the line between 1-2 hours. Off course the C50's have some form of interior however they also have electric winches I believe? Interesting comparing these with the modern TP52's. 

In the mid 90’s a 50’r was good enough for podium on line honours though. 

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Stacy Jackson has leveraged some sponsorship bucks for WOX out of 11th Hour Racing underwriters of Vestas her ride in the VOR. She did a stint on Alive the other RP66 going south. This will be an interesting head to head to watch for the "girl power" people.

The Environmental/Not for Profits are looking to be a significant player in offshore sailing these days.

http://www.mysailing.com.au/offshore/professional-all-female-crew-to-sail-wild-oats-x-in-sydney-hobart

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25 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Stacy Jackson has leveraged some sponsorship bucks for WOX out of 11th Hour Racing underwriters of Vestas her ride in the VOR. She did a stint on Alive the other RP66 going south. This will be an interesting head to head to watch for the "girl power" people.

The Environmental/Not for Profits are looking to be a significant player in offshore sailing these days.

http://www.mysailing.com.au/offshore/professional-all-female-crew-to-sail-wild-oats-x-in-sydney-hobart

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Well there's a use for "X".....! XI is reserved for the men though...........B)

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1 hour ago, jack_sparrow said:

Stacy Jackson has leveraged some sponsorship bucks for WOX out of 11th Hour Racing underwriters of Vestas her ride in the VOR. She did a stint on Alive the other RP66 going south. This will be an interesting head to head to watch for the "girl power" people.

The Environmental/Not for Profits are looking to be a significant player in offshore sailing these days.

http://www.mysailing.com.au/offshore/professional-all-female-crew-to-sail-wild-oats-x-in-sydney-hobart

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What's skeletor doing there?

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29 minutes ago, PIL66 said:

Nice deflection.... way better than HF talk....

Pil only the top 50mm or so of the sea surface will deflect a HF radiated signal so the submerged ground plate needs to be positioned close to the waterline, making that as a counterpoise solution also less practical for a race boat.

To keep you happy here is some F50 in FA breeze deflection to take your mind off Scanas being drunk on cock.

 

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8 hours ago, shaggybaxter said:

;) Can understand that completely!

Here's one..Handicap info...I reckon Cookson 50's should be reduced in handicap compared to the TP52's. 

Edit: Purely for selfish reasons, bugger the rationale, I just love the boat.

So do we. Ours is fixed keel, converted a long time ago. But it has a TP rig in it so it’s a mite overpowered in fresh stuff. We’re still learning the modes but wE can beat TPs in under around 8 knots but they nail us once the pressure kicks in.   Canting keel versions are a whole ‘nother thing  

It’s an awesome boat, cruises pretty well too. 2 heads and an oven... but not one splinter of wood on the whole boat except for a bit of balsa I keep in my nav bag for luck 

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3 minutes ago, DickDastardly said:

Hmmm.  Could be a good project for long light races. 

I’ve thought about painting a frescos on the ceiling of the boat, might wait till I own a boat though. 

That reminds me, which open 60 skipper painted a bathtub on the bulkhead? 

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On 11/21/2018 at 6:59 AM, lydia said:

Also some boats are just better than others, don;t ask me why.

And just to piss off @PIL66 and @SCANAS.

Lydia the answer is simple if you park all other HF instalation issues as being equal, the answer is always horizontal "ground plane" efficiency. A HF antenna has two parts one vertical, one horizontal, everyone forgets about the horizontal component on boats.

For a boat using an external radial solution it will depend on whether they are using lower resistance S/S life lines, pushpit only S/S, a higher resistance alloy cap rail etc etc and how long they are etc for frequency matching efficiency etc. Quite frankly the frequency match stuff with elevated radials in a marine environment is shit.

However on the other hand if they are using a ground plate, bearing in mind the shorter connection distance run the better which forces that plate aft on the hull either being with a backstay or a rod vertical and then understanding only 50mm or so of the sea surface will reflect a HF radiated signal, The submerged ground plate then needs to be positioned close to the waterline. However what is its position in relation to waterline in say a old IOR boat with a tucked in arse and practical access to that ground plate internally? Probably actually far better than a modern fat arse boat where water line length is taken aft but gets out of the water quicker.

The outcome more often than not is depending on hull design is a ground plate submerged too deep or maybe exposed, both being pretty useless.

Emergencies at sea always happen when you are at anchor according to 99% of HF quantative analysis done on "ground plane" alternative solutions produced. That is nuts.

The further irony is with something like the S2H race having only voice HF any voice distress communication will be at a lower frequency. Anyone relying on a submerged ground plane lower frequencies are absorbed by the ocean surface not reflected, higher frequencies do reflect off the ground plane very well. So with a shit ground plane you can't talk to anyone in Aust during the S2H,  but the upside is you can happily communicate with the Asian fishing fleet who both don't give a fuck about frequency fencing or if some white boy in Aust is sinking. Think about that aspect CYC. One of the reasons why DSC HF was mandated btw.

So yes you are dead right saying "some boats are just better than others",  but as for your "don't ask me why", I hope the above addresses the HF bit puzzling you.

I am very gratified to hear the advice you have afforded @SCANAS utilising a elevated radials approach with his Codan 8525 doorstop on the Rumcar and advising him to prepare accordingly for turning right at the Heads.

Hats off to you Lydia investing the time to do so, many old cunts don't. Scan hope you appreciate it.

 

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On 11/21/2018 at 10:24 PM, crafty_otter said:

For interest in adding fuel to this dumpster fire. 

Latest Boating WA news letter

"The Maritime Agency Forum have recently endorsed the decision to cease 24 hour voice monitoring of HF radio across Australia by 31 December 2020. This is based on the limited use of HF and improvement in alternate technologies"

 

On 11/21/2018 at 11:03 PM, jack_sparrow said:

Crafty never heard of an outfit called the Maritime Agency Forum? Do you have a linky?

That aside I suspect that news letter refers to the National Coast Radio network which is a State based voice net (non-DSC) for HF and VHF. It used to have half a dozen stations around Australia including Charleville And Wiluna catering for HF voice 24/7. The others are already 12 hours per day I think and only Wiluna and Charleville exist now doing that 24/7  and simply as an adjunct to their being Australia's only 24/7 SOLAS and non-SOLAS (small craft <300t) stations for DSC HF plus Bureau of Meteorology coastal and high seas HF voice forecasts. 

Crafty I would not ordinarily worry if someone didn't reply with a confirmation as I asked, but your post indicated there is 24/7 HF monitoring in Australia until December 2020 or for another 2 years. Many may rely upon that.

So I did some digging. First contrary to my understanding as posted above both Wiluna and Charleville have already ceased monitoring HF voice. You can contact them but only via DSC. They monitor yacht races when requested and that is all.

There is still under the National Coast Radio network which is a State based system as I indicate a handful of Australia wide stations who may or may not supposedly monitor HF 24/7. The reality is they don't. They are port based and with antennas in urban environments and compromised in terms of reception, they only monitor via intermittent scanning a few distress and working frequencies and that is all and being secondary to port operations. So any monitoring done is secondary to their day job. Newcastle Port used for testing S2H Race boats pre-start must be exhausted after doing so. 

So your post indicating voice HF 24/7 monitoring in Australia will cease in 2 years time is wrong. It has already ceased and ceased a couple of years ago as I intimated. That is consistent with what has occured worldwide.

Crafty I suggest you write to that WA publication you refer to sprouting that nonsence and tell them they are blowing it out of their arse.

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Reading through the surface level promotion on the 11th Hour/ WO X team, shouldn't they be saying they're trying to be the first All female pro team to finish the Hobart?  Amer Sports Too was in the 2001 race as part or the Volvo, they just didn't finish.

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Sorry, I just can't anyone seriously who says they are promoting an environmental cause in a all carbon epoxy boat with a carbon rig with carbon sails.

I could not calculate it but how much energy does it take to make 1 kg of epoxy or 1m2 of mainsail.

And that is before cubic metres of landfill on disposal.

At least the Plastiki guy had some serious commitment and that was 10 years ago.

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4 minutes ago, lydia said:

Sorry, I just can't anyone seriously who says they are promoting an environmental cause in a all carbon epoxy boat with a carbon rig with carbon sails.

I could not calculate it but how much energy does it take to make 1 kg of epoxy or 1m2 of mainsail.

And that is before cubic metres of landfill on disposal.

At least the Plastiki guy had some serious commitment.

^^^^^ this, 

Its complete marketing bullshit. 

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1 hour ago, lydia said:

Sorry, I just can't anyone seriously who says they are promoting an environmental cause in a all carbon epoxy boat with a carbon rig with carbon sails.

I could not calculate it but how much energy does it take to make 1 kg of epoxy or 1m2 of mainsail.

And that is before cubic metres of landfill on disposal.

At least the Plastiki guy had some serious commitment and that was 10 years ago.

Agree with you Lydia; yachting is not a sound platform if you're pushing the environmental barrow. There's the synthetic cordage, synthetic wet weather gear, diesel engine with fossil fuels and 24/7 exhaust, toxic paint systems and lots more. Perhaps they should be sailing a wooden boat?

Then there's the issue of a last minute hand picked crew of no doubt very capable female sailors, sailing in a bloke's boat and the accompanying media blitz. The all female thing was first done in 1975 and had way more cred in a much less accepting time than today. All a bit too fabricated. To all those equally capable women sailing south in mixed crew boats, you have my utmost admiration and respect. Stunts like this demean the cause of women in sailing.

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2 hours ago, lydia said:

Sorry, I just can't anyone seriously who says they are promoting an environmental cause in a all carbon epoxy boat with a carbon rig with carbon sails.

I could not calculate it but how much energy does it take to make 1 kg of epoxy or 1m2 of mainsail.

And that is before cubic metres of landfill on disposal.

At least the Plastiki guy had some serious commitment and that was 10 years ago.

 

2 hours ago, mad said:

^^^^^ this, 

Its complete marketing bullshit. 

 

39 minutes ago, Flatbag said:

Agree with you Lydia; yachting is not a sound platform if you're pushing the environmental barrow. 

Actually you all identify one big problem. They are not pushing some big environmental barrow.

Their message is improving the health of our oceans and preserving its vital resources. Thats all. You don't have to be some fossil fuel/energy cleanskin to do that.

You can be excused for missing this as the whole 11th Hour Racing/Schmidt Family Foundation thing is confusing and that message poorly transmitted. The best example of that was backing Vestas the wind power crowd. Their clean ocean message just disapeared.

I suspect this boat will get good pre-race and race media coverage but leave a lot of people none the wiser about what they are selling.

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2 hours ago, Flatbag said:

Stunts like this demean the cause of women in sailing.

Not sure I agree with that.

The point that they have assembled a fully pro., fully female crew, outside of the VOR,  is a significant one.  Probably a first for any major race outside the VO, not just Hobart.

It marks a point where we've reached a critical mass of pro. women in sailing, IMHO.  Either that, or there'll all just hanging around for jobs in the industry after the recent VOR, and grabbed the first opportunity that came along.

 

Now whether having such a high proportion of professional sailors around is a good thing for sailing in general, is a whole 'nother question.

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1 hour ago, duncan (the other one) said:

The point that they have assembled a fully pro., fully female crew, outside of the VOR,  is a significant one.  

Well, they sure as hell aren't going to sail it to Hobart 6-up.  It will be interesting to see who makes up the bulk of the crew - that will help show whether it's a good thing for women's sailing, or sailing generally for that matter.

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13 minutes ago, Recidivist said:

Well, they sure as hell aren't going to sail it to Hobart 6-up.  It will be interesting to see who makes up the bulk of the crew - that will help show whether it's a good thing for women's sailing, or sailing generally for that matter.

Ocean Respect Racing Crew List
Stacey Jackson – Skipper
Dee Caffari – Reserve PIC (Deputy Skipper)
Carolijn Brouwer – Helm
Libby Greenhalgh – Navigator
Sue Cafer – Trimmer
Sophie Ciszek- Bow (man?) Person
Katie Spithill – Tactics
Vanessa Dudley – Trimmer
Bianca Cook – Trimmer
Jade Cole – Pit
Faraday Brooke Martin – Boat Captain
Keryn McMaster – Main trimmer
Katie Pettibone – Trimmer

Lots of "trimmers" listed there but I understand that sort of thing is very popular with the ladies these days...

 

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9 minutes ago, Flatbag said:

Ocean Respect Racing Crew List
Stacey Jackson – Skipper
Dee Caffari – Reserve PIC (Deputy Skipper)
Carolijn Brouwer – Helm
Libby Greenhalgh – Navigator
Sue Cafer – Trimmer
Sophie Ciszek- Bow (man?) Person
Katie Spithill – Tactics
Vanessa Dudley – Trimmer
Bianca Cook – Trimmer
Jade Cole – Pit
Faraday Brooke Martin – Boat Captain
Keryn McMaster – Main trimmer
Katie Pettibone – Trimmer

Lots of "trimmers" listed there but I understand that sort of thing is very popular with the ladies these days...

 

Now, now Flattie - respect, remember!

Couple of names there I don't know, some I'm very pleased to see (Dee, Carolijn, Libby G).  

Assuming the ones I don't know are similar in calibre to the ones I do, I think that's a good crew line-up.  I'm happy to go on record as a supporter, and hope they put up a good showing against Alive and Voodoo.  It gives us something to watch that isn't a 100'er, but is likely to get some coverage.

As Dylan would say - goodonem.

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3 hours ago, duncan (the other one) said:

que?

 

Planning on some match racing for 630nm, or is she clocking off at South Head and clocking on at the Pot?

I think you find that Katie has been doing a lot more than just match racing.  She has been doing tactics on a lot of boats.

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28 minutes ago, trt131 said:

I think you find that Katie has been doing a lot more than just match racing.  She has been doing tactics on a lot of boats.

I understand that.. I just question the use of tactics for such a long handicap event if you're not a line honours contender.

Surely the aim is to get there ASAP.. not worry about what other boats are doing?

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4 hours ago, Flatbag said:

Sophie Ciszek- Bow (man?) Person

If you want to get all pedantic and stuff - bowman is still OK if you consider it to come from the same lineage as words like chairman. A chairman manages the position of chair. The common Latin root is manus = hand. Chairman is the chair handler, and bowman is the bow handler/manager.  

I have zero hope that this will take on, but there is good reason not to go down the insanity of bow-person. 

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5 hours ago, Recidivist said:

Now, now Flattie - respect, remember!

Couple of names there I don't know, some I'm very pleased to see (Dee, Carolijn, Libby G).  

Assuming the ones I don't know are similar in calibre to the ones I do, I think that's a good crew line-up.  I'm happy to go on record as a supporter, and hope they put up a good showing against Alive and Voodoo.  It gives us something to watch that isn't a 100'er, but is likely to get some coverage.

As Dylan would say - goodonem.

And some additional interest as Jade is married to our North sails main trimmer on Voodoo....so no R/P rivalry there....much!  ;-)

 

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2 hours ago, duncan (the other one) said:

I understand that.. I just question the use of tactics for such a long handicap event if you're not a line honours contender.

Surely the aim is to get there ASAP.. not worry about what other boats are doing?

I think it is more a case of giving each crew member a title for the benefit of the press, who always ask. Pretty sure Dee is not just going to be doing the paperwork all the way to Hobart. 

Stacey started putting this campaign together during the last VOR. Those on here who have put something like this together know how much time and energy it takes, so props to her for getting it done. Many try and do not even get to the start line! 

I think I am right in saying that most of the crew prefer mixed teams, but all are friends and want to do the race. So why not? 

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Because one billionaire renting a racing yacht from another billionaire to race in the Rolex Sydney to Hobart whilst pretending to save the planet stinks like 7 day dried out sunfish. 

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11 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

 

 

Actually you all identify one big problem. They are not pushing some big environmental barrow.

Their message is improving the health of our oceans and preserving its vital resources. Thats all. You don't have to be some fossil fuel/energy cleanskin to do that.

You can be excused for missing this as the whole 11th Hour Racing/Schmidt Family Foundation thing is confusing and that message poorly transmitted. The best example of that was backing Vestas the wind power crowd. Their clean ocean message just disapeared.

I suspect this boat will get good pre-race and race media coverage but leave a lot of people none the wiser about what they are selling.

By all means promote the health of the oceans etc, but don't go pulling the "we're so clean for going round the world using solar and hydro" card.  

Selling that to the uninformed masses is disingenuous at best. <_<

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10 minutes ago, mad said:

By all means promote the health of the oceans etc, but don't go pulling the "we're so clean for going round the world using solar and hydro" card.  

Selling that to the uninformed masses is disingenuous at best. <_<

I would like to point out that Vestas 11rh Hour racing purchased carbon offsets for all of the race activities, including the shore crew's flights and more. 

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2 minutes ago, yoyoboy said:

I would like to point out that Vestas 11rh Hour racing purchased carbon offsets for all of the race activities, including the shore crew's flights and more. 

Amazing how ca$h allows you to pay feel good lip service.

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1 hour ago, mad said:

By all means promote the health of the oceans etc, but don't go pulling the "we're so clean for going round the world using solar and hydro" card.  

Mad maybe I missed it but I haven't seen anyone play that card with some rare  exceptions such as Conrad Colman in the last VG aboard Foresight Natural Energy (Solar Company) who went around using no diesel and powered 100% with renewables.

The other thing is without some environmental bent only three teams would have fronted up to last VOR namely Dongfeng, MAPFRE and Sun Hung Kai/Scallywag. The others.

Team AkzoNobel - Fossil fuels coatings manufacturer where media was split between traditional products and their plugging their green credentials.

Team Brunel- A consortium of Dutch companies pushing a 'Engineering the Future’ message which sustainable energy solutions featured strongly in that mix.

Vestas 11th Hour Racing- Sustainable message with major wind energy player and clean oceans message backed by the Schmidt Family Foundation.

Turn the Tide on Plastic -Backed by the Mirpuri and Ocean Family Foundations and dedicated to the issue of ocean health.

I don't see a lot of hypocricy there but more to the point the start line would be pretty bare without their involvement.

If there is any hypocricy it is from say a handful of surban environmentalists who over some given period, consume in their day to day existance as much fossil fueled derivatives and energy that goes into making and running a modern race boat.

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1 hour ago, yoyoboy said:

I would like to point out that Vestas 11rh Hour racing purchased carbon offsets for all of the race activities, including the shore crew's flights and more. 

As I indicated upthread they do a pretty crap job of promoting their message/initiatives.

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For anyone who wonders what impact sailing has on environmental awareness and research initiatives etc.

Water samples taken by VOR boats Turn the Tide on Plastic and Team AkzoNobel around the race course and the results were the subject of a keynote address at this major international science conference addressing microplastics pollution that was staged this week. The results would have been very sobering.

https://micro2018.sciencesconf.org

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On 11/20/2018 at 2:31 PM, Recidivist said:

The corollary of this is using the lifelines AS the antenna, as Thunderbolt did in '69 or '70 when dismasted in the Hobart.  They were closer to NZ than OZ when they were finally forced to Mayday, but the signal got through - horizontally polarised rather than vertically, but it worked when they didn't have many options left!

Rec I posted this meme of a WWI German UBoat referencing the subsurface tracking outcome of a narrow light hull form being compromised by having to add ballast on account of the IOR rule. 

Your post above then came to mind. Submarines before the days of antennas on tethered floating bouys etc used very low HF frequencies to punch through water (which absorbs a radiated signal at higher frequencies) to communicate via HF submerged at low depths and yet still hidden from the enemy.

So if you have lost your keel, you're upside down, still got power but some fucker has dropped the emergency satphone in the drink...all start Sieg Heiling and give that HF a try is my suggestion.

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42 minutes ago, NORBowGirl said:

The first. 

Do you mean "Not a fan off the all female thing," or that their press coverage emphasises first?

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On 11/23/2018 at 3:12 PM, Recidivist said:

I'm happy to go on record as a supporter, and hope they put up a good showing against Alive and Voodoo. 

That RP battle is going to be quite special. All very different in the POB department but maybe equaling each other out? Voodoo a few rockstars but new boat, Alive less rockstars, a first class navigator in Wouter and they know the boat backwards having done a trillion race miles and the girls very well credentialed with Jackson having RP66 experience.

With smaller/skinny boat conditions and some transitions the three of them might even give the 100 footer club a fright.

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I like a mixed crew. I had 7 crew last night including me, 4 guys and 3 girls, with me essentially be so drug addled I couldn't do much at all, so a 50/50 team sailed the boat. And they did really well. 

2 of the girls are ex-owners, the other is an ex-pro basketballer newby. They're all excellent company and after taking into account the normal newby's bewilderment, they're the first to grab a winch handle, get pummeled, get down on the low side and trim that extra inch. The dynamic between the guys and girls is excellent.

But it is true if I have more guys we sail differently. There is a noticeable lift in the musclepower available, and using that muscle shows up in the results. Simply, we're faster. 

This doesn't mean I want to sail with an all male crew to guarantee success. It means I need to put more training in with the crew to bring them up to that level where a fluid process and seamless teamwork offsets the amount of muscle required.

Having said that, at the pro level I don't know if that holds water, the girls aren't lacking in horsepower. A Sophie, Stacy or Liz are as fit as mallee bulls and easily put most of us to shame in that dept.

So mixed crews? Personally I love it, and I think the sport is so much the better for it. Ticks every box for me.    

But the way I see Stacy's capmpaign, it's investing in ways to promote/get/maintain women in the sport. I'm a fan. I get they may have to wear a corporate cloak that itches to do it.  

I'm still cheering for Alive though. Duncan Hine is a first rate guy, great crew and I love the boat. Best of luck to 'em all.  

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What’s this bullshit about an all female crew. Absolutely sex discrimination. If any of the other  boats made a big thing about an all male crew all hell would break loose with the hairy armpit brigade . Mind you the way Tassie is going with not putting the sex on birth certificates we’ll all be persons. Had a female ask to crew  while back .First thing it did (can’t say she anymore) was ask to be relieved from the winch to use the head. I told it that unless it was a shit piss over the Lee side like everyone else. It’s called equality 

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If articles  like this keep getting pumped out between now and arriving in Hobart, the ex Minister for Foreign Affairs & Frocks will have paid her way in the media awareness stakes for this team

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/fashion/does-julie-bishop-keep-wearing-red-for-a-reason/news-story/7bdd8c6717da397291726a7f97ab51d5

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5 hours ago, Ozmex said:

What’s this bullshit about an all female crew. Absolutely sex discrimination. If any of the other  boats made a big thing about an all male crew all hell would break loose with the hairy armpit brigade . Mind you the way Tassie is going with not putting the sex on birth certificates we’ll all be persons. Had a female ask to crew  while back .First thing it did (can’t say she anymore) was ask to be relieved from the winch to use the head. I told it that unless it was a shit piss over the Lee side like everyone else. It’s called equality 

There has actually been some intelligent discussion about the issue of all female v. partly female  v. all male crews on this and other threads over the past year. Intelligence seems to be something you lack, Ozmex. Perhaps you should just stay in your cave.

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14 hours ago, JonRowe said:

Do you mean "Not a fan off the all female thing," or that their press coverage emphasises first?

I’m not a fan of how all the focus is on gender. I’ve done a couple of races with all females and I hated it. It became a battle of sexes instead of a battle of skills. 

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7 hours ago, Ozmex said:

Had a female ask to crew  while back .First thing it did (can’t say she anymore) was ask to be relieved from the winch to use the head. I told it that unless it was a shit piss over the Lee side like everyone else. It’s called equality 

Actually its not. Mate my guess is the majority of girls on that boat would have you for breakfast.

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