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10 hours ago, chinabald said:

I believe the tactic being used is that the marketing of the gun was negligent. 

The argument that the CT supreme court bought can be applied to _anything_.

 

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Tom, please recall that most of us stopped being polite to you after you humorously called for the regulation of Dodge Challengers like the one used in the Charlottesville murder.  It's crypto-Na

And keep the guns locked up or in your possession.  Kids have friends who come over.

So race baiting is calling you out for your own history of racist posts, Joe? Or is the "race-baiting" the part where everyone reads your words and ascribes a racist intent to it, even if that wa

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14 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

Let me repeat this for the mentally challenged here....... you cannot hold a manufacturer responsible for the deliberately illegal, premeditated actions of psycho fuckwit who chooses to harm others.  Whether it be a gun, a car, a chainsaw, or a cricket bat.  I have not heard of a single lawsuit against Louisville Slugger when its baseball bats have been used to crush someone's head in.  This would be like holding Nike responsible for the damage Tiger Woods caused to his ex's car.

Well, you can now - at least in CT.

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11 minutes ago, bpm57 said:

Let me repeat this for the mentally challenged here....... you cannot hold a manufacturer responsible for the deliberately illegal, premeditated actions of psycho fuckwit who chooses to harm others.  Whether it be a gun, a car, a chainsaw, or a cricket bat.  I have not heard of a single lawsuit against Louisville Slugger when its baseball bats have been used to crush someone's head in.  This would be like holding Nike responsible for the damage Tiger Woods caused to his ex's car.

There are little matters like cause in fact and proximate cause.  There is criminal negligence.  

If you own apartments, have a lot of rapes or robberies, someone gets raped or robbed, you can be sued for a lot of money.

I don't think waiting periods, mandatory checks on criminal history and banning of sales at flea markets which are currently used as a get around the regulation seem unreasonable.

High taxes have cut cigarette use.  High taxes temper alcohol sales.  I even had the opportunity to prosecute a bootlegger once.  Reasonable regulations, taxes and carry laws seem to be well within the 2nd amendment.

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1 hour ago, hasher said:

There are little matters like cause in fact and proximate cause.  There is criminal negligence.  

If you own apartments, have a lot of rapes or robberies, someone gets raped or robbed, you can be sued for a lot of money.

I don't think waiting periods, mandatory checks on criminal history and banning of sales at flea markets which are currently used as a get around the regulation seem unreasonable.

High taxes have cut cigarette use.  High taxes temper alcohol sales.  I even had the opportunity to prosecute a bootlegger once.  Reasonable regulations, taxes and carry laws seem to be well within the 2nd amendment.

In this case no laws for the procurement of a gun were skirted.

Right up until the criminal killed his mother and stole her gun. If only that were against the law this whole thing would have been stopped before it happened.  

 

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11 minutes ago, chinabald said:

In this case no laws for the procurement of a gun were skirted.

Right up until the criminal killed his mother and stole her gun. If only that were against the law this whole thing would have been stopped before it happened.  

 

No regulation will stop all crime and neither will a punishment scheme.  Minimally invasive regulation can reduce a lot of crime.

I feel a loaded shot gun in your gun case or closet will probably be safest thing to stop home invasion.  When I had young children and was a prosecutor I carried a handgun.  We had regular training at a gun range by a real instructor.

I've never been a hunter but when I camped with my children I taught them how to handle and respect guns in remote areas.

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1 hour ago, hasher said:

No regulation will stop all crime and neither will a punishment scheme.  Minimally invasive regulation can reduce a lot of crime.

I feel a loaded shot gun in your gun case or closet will probably be safest thing to stop home invasion.  When I had young children and was a prosecutor I carried a handgun.  We had regular training at a gun range by a real instructor.

I've never been a hunter but when I camped with my children I taught them how to handle and respect guns in remote areas.

I think that is one of the smarter things parents can do to help avoid gun accidents. Let the kids learn about guns safely and let them satisfy their curiosity in a controlled manner.

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44 minutes ago, chinabald said:

I think that is one of the smarter things parents can do to help avoid gun accidents. Let the kids learn about guns safely and let them satisfy their curiosity in a controlled manner.

And keep the guns locked up or in your possession.  Kids have friends who come over.

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4 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

And keep them the fuck out of Canada.

Even travelling across state lines in the USA can result in big trouble.  It is interesting the party promoting state's rights want to federalize lax gun control.  A lot of guns in northern states come from southern states.

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2 minutes ago, hasher said:

Even travelling across state lines in the USA can result in big trouble.  It is interesting the party promoting state's rights want to federalize lax gun control.  A lot of guns in northern states come from southern states.

And most of the illegal guns in Canada come from the northern states. I think there's more bad juju coming north than going south.

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9 hours ago, hasher said:

There are little matters like cause in fact and proximate cause.  There is criminal negligence.  

Oh goody, I have questions about both. Le't start with "proximate cause."

21 hours ago, Importunate Tom said:

A court will decide
 

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Today the Connecticut Supreme Court revived a lawsuit against the manufacturer of the rifle used in the 2012 massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, the company that distributed the gun, and the store that sold it to the perpetrator's mother. The court agreed with the trial judge that the plaintiffs, a survivor of the attack and relatives of nine people murdered at the school, could not sue under a theory of "negligent entrustment." But it said they could sue under the theory that Remington, which owns the company that makes the Bushmaster XM15-E2S rifle used by Sandy Hook shooter Adam Lanza, violated the Connecticut Unfair Trade Practices Act (CUTPA) by marketing the gun, a variation on the Colt AR-15, in a way that emphasized its "militaristic and assaultive qualities."

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The plantiffs cite these examples of "unethical and irresponsible marketing practices":

The defendants unethically promoted their assault weapons for offensive, military style missions by publishing advertisements and distributing product catalogs that (1) promote the AR-15 as ''the uncompromising choice when you demand a rifle as mission adaptable as you are,'' (2) depict soldiers moving on patrol through jungles, armed with Bushmaster rifles, (3) feature the slogan ''[w]hen you need to perform under pressure, Bushmaster delivers,'' superimposed over the silhouette of a soldier holding his helmet against the backdrop of an American flag, (4) tout the ''military proven performance'' of firearms like the XM15-E2S, (5) promote civilian rifles as ''the ultimate combat weapons system,'' (6) invoke the unparalleled destructive power of their AR-15 rifles, (7) claim that the most elite branches of the United States military, including the United States Navy SEALs, the United States Army Green Berets and Army Rangers, and other special forces, have used the AR-15, and (8) depict a close-up of an AR-15 with the following slogan: ''Forces of opposition, bow down. You are single-handedly outnumbered.''

The lawsuit argues that such messages would appeal to a troubled young man like Lanza, that they may have influenced him to choose the XM15 from among his mother's guns when he attacked the elementary school, and that the attack would have been less deadly if he had used a different gun. All of those claims are questionable, and it is hard to see how a reasonable jury, even if it found the Bushmaster ads distasteful, could conclude that they were "a proximate cause" of mass murder. But thanks to this ruling, the plaintiffs will have a chance to make that case.

 

I try to keep my assault weapons pictures a bit less scary, like this one:

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But if I could find an actor willing to dress as a soldier near such a gun, would it really be a "proximate cause" of mass murder?

Follow up question: do you think displaying that image here causes mass murder?

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Mass Shooting In Montana

 

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Missoula Police received the initial call shortly before 11 p.m. Thursday night with reports of gunfire with three people shot near the Stone Creek Lodge at Expressway in Missoula.

The suspect, Johnathon Bertsch, fled the scene and led multiple agencies on a seven-hour manhunt along US Highway 93 North.

Missoula units set up a perimeter and warned area residents to lock their doors, a suspect was at large.

Within moments, a second shooting was reported near Evaro Bar and Casino where Montana Highway Patrol Trooper Wade Palmer located a vehicle matching the description.

Palmer was ambushed and shot in his patrol car. 

 

Gee, another late night at a bar.

As the source notes, it was actually a murder of three people followed some time later by an ambush of a cop in a different location. So doesn't quite fit the Gun Grabby Archive's broad definition of a "mass" shooting, but I guess is close enough for government work.

And speaking of government work, four is four so the math dictates the response: DO SOMETHING.

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13 hours ago, frenchie said:
16 hours ago, phillysailor said:

I'm left thinking that I just witnessed that tool being used exactly as it was manufactured and marketed to be employed. It satisfies a desire to enable the user to kill many fellow humans via an efficient process.

Yeah, I keep wondering if Jeff's seen it, and whether it's changed his mind, at all, about certain issues.


Odd that so very few are used in the way they were intended, isn't it, Philly?

Not sure about Jeff but I haven't, Frenchie.

 

 

5 hours ago, frenchie said:

Hard to argue, after watching it, that one could do anything close to that, with a hunting rifle or handgun.

1 hour ago, frenchie said:

I still think you're going about this the completely wrong way.  Telling people their religion preaches murder, and so they should leave their religion, won't get you anywhere.

"Hunting rifles" and "handguns" ARE "assault weapons." Check the definitions if you don't believe me.

Telling people their tools mark them as murderers will get you about as far, but that doesn't stop people from trying it on me here most every day.

It makes me think they want to ban hunting rifles and handguns and don't want to be honest about what they want to ban, mostly because I read the definitions of what they want to ban and compare them to the rhetoric. They don't match.

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Mass Shooting In New Jersey

 

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Police were in front of a residence on the 600 block of Ferry Avenue just after 3 a.m. when they heard gunshots.
Officers approached the house, which was being utilized as a local "residential speakeasy", and located the four victims suffering from gunshot wounds inside.

 

Gee, a late night at a "speakeasy" is pretty similar to a late night at a bar in more ways than one, it seems.

Still, four is four so this is a "mass" shooting of the kind that means we must emit thoughts and prayers of DOING SOMETHING.

Mass Shooting In Alabama

 

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Two people were killed Friday during a shooting around 9:21 Friday in the 500 block of Dauphin Island Parkway in Mobile.

The two victims were both men, ages 27 and 38. Mobile police did not release their names Saturday.

Three other men -- ages 39, 38 and 17 -- showed up at area hospitals suffering from gunshot wounds. The incidences, police say, are related to an ongoing investigation.

Arrested was 29-year-old Cedric Williams, who is alleged to be connected to the murders and assaults.

 

Sounds like another incident related to the stupid drug war to me.

But five is more than four, so we must DO SOMETHING.

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Here’s a proposal we could all get behind -

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/434402-missouri-lawmaker-files-bills-requiring-some-residents-to-own-ar-15s

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Two bills introduced by state Rep. Andrew McDaniel would require residents to purchase firearms while providing $1 million in tax credits on a first-come, first-served basis to residents who fall under the law.

The first bill, the McDaniel Second Amendment Act, would require Missouri residents aged 21 or older to purchase a handgun. It also would allot up to $1 million per year in tax credits for residents who purchased weapons to comply with the law. The bill was filed in late February.

The second bill, the McDaniel Militia Act, was filed days after the handgun bill and would require Missouri residents aged 18 to 35 to purchase an AR-15. It also would provide a tax credit of up to $1 million per year to incentivize the purchase of weapons.  


 
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34 minutes ago, Sean said:

Here’s a proposal we could all get behind -

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/434402-missouri-lawmaker-files-bills-requiring-some-residents-to-own-ar-15s

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Two bills introduced by state Rep. Andrew McDaniel would require residents to purchase firearms while providing $1 million in tax credits on a first-come, first-served basis to residents who fall under the law.

The first bill, the McDaniel Second Amendment Act, would require Missouri residents aged 21 or older to purchase a handgun. It also would allot up to $1 million per year in tax credits for residents who purchased weapons to comply with the law. The bill was filed in late February.

The second bill, the McDaniel Militia Act, was filed days after the handgun bill and would require Missouri residents aged 18 to 35 to purchase an AR-15. It also would provide a tax credit of up to $1 million per year to incentivize the purchase of weapons.  


 

Not very thorough compared to colonial ones.

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The possession of arms also implied the possession of ammunition, and the authorities paid quite as much attention to the latter as to the former.

A year later [1632] it was ordered that any single man who had not furnished himself with arms might be put out to service, and this became a permanent part of the legislation of the colony [Massachusetts].

Also,

Clauses intended to insure the possession of arms and ammunition by all who were subject to military service appear in all the important enactments concerning military affairs. Fines were the penalty for delinquency, whether of towns or individuals. According to the usage of the times, the infantry of Massachusetts consisted of pikemen and musketeers. The law, as enacted in 1649 and thereafter, provided that each of the former should be armed with a pike, corselet, head-piece, sword, and knapsack. The musketeer should carry a "good fixed musket," not under bastard musket bore, not less than three feet, nine inches, nor more than four feet three inches in length, a priming wire, scourer, and mould, a sword, rest, bandoleers, one pound of powder, twenty bullets, and two fathoms of match. The law also required that two-thirds of each company should be musketeers.

The General Court of Massachusetts, January Session 1784, provided for the organization and government of the Militia. It directed that the Train Band should "contain all able bodied men, from sixteen to forty years of age, and the Alarm List, all other men under sixty years of age, . . ." Also,

That every noncommissioned officer and private soldier of the said militia not under the controul of parents, masters or guardians, and being of sufficient ability therefor in the judgment of the Selectmen of the town in which he shall dwell, shall equip himself, and be constantly provided with a good fire arm,

etc.

By an Act passed April 4, 1786, the New York Legislature directed:

That every able-bodied Male Person, being [p181] a Citizen of this State, or of any of the United States, and residing in this State, (except such Persons as are hereinafter excepted) and who are of the Age of Sixteen, and under the Age of Forty-five Years, shall, by the Captain or commanding Officer of the Beat in which such Citizens shall reside, within four Months after the passing of this Act, be enrolled in the Company of such Beat. . . . That every Citizen so enrolled and notified shall, within three Months thereafter, provide himself, at his own Expense, with a good Musket or Firelock, a sufficient Bayonet and Belt, a Pouch with a Box therein to contain not less than Twenty-four Cartridges suited to the Bore of his Musket or Firelock, each Cartridge containing a proper Quantity of Powder and Ball, two spare Flints, a Blanket and Knapsack;

 

 

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Mass Shooting In Nevada

 

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Four people were injured, one critically, early Sunday morning in a shooting in a downtown Las Vegas hotel, according to Metro Police.

 

2 am in a hotel/casino. So pretty much like the really famous Las Vegas mass shooting, except for being nothing like it.

Nothing but the critical number of injured: four. That's a MASS shooting, meaning we must DO SOMETHING.

 

Mass Shooting In Georgia

 

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According to a statement from the sheriff's office, Roundtree told them four men followed him out of Dr. Unk's and started fighting him.
In response, Roundtree says, he started shooting at them.

The four men are still recovering in the hospital from what is expected to be non-life threatening gunshot wounds while 24-year-old
Roundtree is in jail for aggravated assault.

 

I'm glad the extraordinarly lethality of gun violence has not led to any deaths in these mass shootings, but four is still four and no matter what the other circumstances, that means we must DO SOMETHING.

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57 minutes ago, Shootist Jeff said:

Deal, as long as we can keep canadians the fuck out of the US.  

Your reading comprehension is lacking. Try again, slower. I'm advocating keeping guns out of Canada, although keeping some Americans out sounds like a great idea. Fat Boy Trump, for starters. 

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21 hours ago, frenchie said:

Nobody said "having an AR will make you want to kill lots of unarmed civilians."

We're saying "for the psycho who has a desire to kill a bunch of unarmed civilians, that platform makes it WAY too easy". 

Dude fumbles most of his reloads, and probably couldn't hit the side of a barn with anything that had any recoil (like a FAL or a SCAR)... but the AR's so "forgiving", that it makes no difference.  Watching him kill a few dozen people that quickly, and easily, really lends credence to the whole "this should not be available to civilians" argument. 

Nobody? You haven't, but others here have urged me to "keep killing kids" and talked about my "assault weapon" as my "kid killer." I could do that annoying thing where I pull the actual quotes, but it was Mid and Mitch in those specific cases. I'll prove if desired.

When you say "this" should not be available to civilians, do you agree with the TeamD US Senators who include this?

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It's a S&W Victory in the censored caliber. It's an "assault weapon" because of the threaded barrel, which I propose to use for fashion accessories.

The idea that this is too dangerous for civilians may fly in New York, where licensed and registered owners are allowed to go to one gun range only with such things. The "credence" you see in this argument blows away quickly once you get anywhere near unpaved roads.

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18 hours ago, Importunate Tom said:

Nobody? You haven't, but others here have urged me to "keep killing kids" and talked about my "assault weapon" as my "kid killer." I could do that annoying thing where I pull the actual quotes, but it was Mid and Mitch in those specific cases. I'll prove if desired.

When you say "this" should not be available to civilians, do you agree with the TeamD US Senators who include this?

SWVictoryFlower.jpg

It's a S&W Victory in the censored caliber. It's an "assault weapon" because of the threaded barrel, which I propose to use for fashion accessories.

The idea that this is too dangerous for civilians may fly in New York, where licensed and registered owners are allowed to go to one gun range only with such things. The "credence" you see in this argument blows away quickly once you get anywhere near unpaved roads.

Dude.  That's a completely different discussion, between completely different people, about a completely different weapon, in a completely different thread... seriously, WTF?

I have changed my mind about easy access by random civilians to ARs and functionally (not aesthetically) similar weapons;  I have not lost my fucking mind. 

Since I have not lost my fucking mind, I have no desire to defend, and no interest in defending, NYC or NYS gun laws; since they're blatantly designed around politicians' desire to showboat, as opposed to logic or common sense.

(I can see a logical reason to outlaw or regulate threaded barrels and silencer, though; as NYC has gunfire-detecting sensors that help police & ambulances detect gunfire and get to the scene of a shooting more quickly.  Silencers would interfere with that.  But that's not why it's in NY law (it predates the sensor system).  It's in NY laws because people have an emotional response based on "silencers = mob hitmen in the movies", and politicians played to it.)

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1 hour ago, frenchie said:

Dude.  That's a completely different discussion, between completely different people, about a completely different weapon

If it's "completely different" from the weapon(s) you were talking about, why are they covered by the same ban in the US Senate?

Not talking just NY State here.

We've got a nice list of TeamD Senators from across the country who find that gun

1 hour ago, frenchie said:

functionally (not aesthetically) similar

to the dreaded AR15. That's why they're proposing to ban it. Along with my wife's squirrel assault weapon. We're not allowed to talk about it here, but it's made by Ruger and very popular and fires the censored caliber. You're smart enough to figure out which gun I'm talking about.

Is it really functionally similar enough to what you want banned to be included?

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7 hours ago, Fakenews said:

Who here precisely has urged you to “keep killing kids” or referred to your guns as kid killers? 

That’s what I thought.

This is what you thought?

On 11/25/2018 at 12:38 PM, Raz'r said:
On 11/25/2018 at 12:35 PM, dogballs Tom said:

Have the grabbers gone too far in Puerto Rico with their 5 round limit?

When a question begins with those six words, it hardly matters what follows. If you get an answer, it will be no.

Seems to me the locals have found their answer. Since you can’t vote there, don’t take your kid-killer with you if it doesn’t fit in the law.

Or this?

On 1/31/2019 at 5:11 AM, Importunate Tom said:

In that case, do you agree with badlat and the TeamD Senators or the gun nutz on the question above, which is the main point of any "mass shooting" thread?

Now post something else about how bad I must be to avoid that question.

 

On 1/31/2019 at 5:57 AM, Mid said:

keep killing the kids .

Just two examples. It's not like these are the only posters who ascribe violent intent to gun ownership.

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Mass Shooting In Arizona
 

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Police said in a probable-cause statement that witnesses said 29-year-old Jeffery Craig Rhone II of Glendale argued with several people at the home Monday evening about his stolen wallet, left but then returned and got into a fight with one person before being "physically removed" from the home.

"Witnesses stated that Jeffery was the primary aggressor at the beginning of the physical fight but had lost the fight," the statement said.

The shooting occurred several hours later at 3:30 a.m. after Rhone returned again early Tuesday, according to the statement.

...Investigators learned after the shooting that Rhone's roommate had reported to Glendale police that Rhone had returned to their apartment early Tuesday morning, before the shooting, and took the roommate's handgun while the roommate was asleep, the statement said.

 

Six people were shot, two fatally.

Six is more than four, so thoughts and prayers of DOING SOMETHING.

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I don't care if people sit in their deer stands and kill deer.  I don't care if they have a shotgun in their bedroom to protect their loved ones and their property.  I do care if they get pissed in public or private and pull a pistol.  I can take a punch.  I'm not so good with lead.

There are common sense alternatives to flooding this country with guns.

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6 hours ago, hasher said:

I don't care if people sit in their deer stands and kill deer.  I don't care if they have a shotgun in their bedroom to protect their loved ones and their property.  I do care if they get pissed in public or private and pull a pistol.  I can take a punch.  I'm not so good with lead.

There are common sense alternatives to flooding this country with guns.

Assault Weapons make cowards bigger, more lethal cowards.  That’s the attraction.  I’m nor afraid so I don’t own any.

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5 hours ago, Fakenews said:

Assault Weapons make cowards bigger, more lethal cowards.  That’s the attraction.  I’m nor afraid so I don’t own any.

What about your glock? By magazine size some would call that an assault weapon. 

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14 minutes ago, chinabald said:

What about your glock? By magazine size some would call that an assault weapon. 

English not your first language?  I don’t own a gun, but lets face it all guns are AW’s.

Agents of death so to speak.

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19 hours ago, frenchie said:

Since I have not lost my fucking mind, I have no desire to defend, and no interest in defending, NYC or NYS gun laws; since they're blatantly designed around politicians' desire to showboat, as opposed to logic or common sense.

In addition to the fact that I was talking about a federal ban proposal, I'd point out that NYC gun laws do affect all of us.

Questions that come before the Supreme Court have a way of doing that, even stoopid ones. Speaking of which, before the Supreme Court right now:

On 1/24/2019 at 5:30 AM, Importunate Tom said:

The Cert Petition
 

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The question presented is:

Whether the City’s ban on transporting a licensed, locked, and unloaded handgun to a home or shooting range outside city limits is consistent with the Second Amendment, the Commerce Clause, and the constitutional right to travel.

 

Not presented to the court, but still worth wondering about: why are hoplophobes so darn fearful that they can't tolerate a licensed, locked, and unloaded gun being carried outside city limits?


Go ahead and avoid both questions, but NYC grabbers are hazardous to our rights and I won't avoid the issue.

 

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Mass Shooting In California

 

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Authorities say a shooting in San Francisco Saturday night left one person dead and three others injured.

 

That's all that is known at this time, which is plenty since the legislative district info is available and four is four so mindless grabby math means we must DO SOMETHING.

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Mass Shooting In Nevada

 

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Authorities reported several injuries in the incident that took place before 5 p.m. near Priest Elementary School and Cheyenne High School on San Miguel Avenue.

None of the injuries were considered life-threatening, according to police, but some involved did leave the original scene through Priest ES.


 

Not just a mass shooting. The proximity of real estate that is or was a school makes this a school shooting, the very most convenient kind for gungrabby purposes.

Odd that we don't see a thread offering thoughts and prayers of DOING SOMETHING.

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On 2/22/2019 at 4:54 AM, Importunate Tom said:

The lying Houston drug warrior has attracted the FBI's attention

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After two informants named by Goines and every other C.I. known to work with him denied participating in the "controlled buy" he described, investigators concluded that Goines had invented the episode. Goines "lied in an affidavit," Police Chief Art Acevedo said last Friday, and "more than likely...will be charged with a serious crime." Under Texas law, lying in a search warrant affidavit is aggravated perjury, a third-degree felony punishable by two to 20 years in prison. Under federal law, willfully depriving someone of his constitutional rights "under color of any law" is punishable by a prison term up to life or by execution "if death results."

But keep in mind that the REAL PROBLEM here was the "mass" shooting and the REAL SOLution is to DO SOMETHING.

That's it for that career
 

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Last week Gerald Goines, the Houston narcotics officer whose falsified drug warrant affidavit led to a raid that killed a middle-aged couple in their home on January 28, retired after 34 years with the Houston Police Department. Another narcotics officer who was suspended after the raid, Steven Bryant, retired three weeks before Goines.

Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo has said Goines is likely to face criminal charges for falsely claiming in the affidavit that a confidential informant had bought heroin at 7815 Harding Street the day before narcotics officers led by Goines crashed into the house without warning and shot a dog, setting off an exchange of fire that killed Dennis Tuttle and Rhogena Nicholas. Four officers, including Goines, were injured by gunfire. Police found no heroin or any other evidence of drug dealing when they searched the house. Nor did they find the semi-automatic handgun that the apparently nonexistent informant supposedly saw there.

 

I think they should have been fired so they got no retirement benefits.

But police misconduct related to the stupid drug war isn't the important point here. Four were shot in that incident. We must DO SOMETHING.

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Mass Shooting In Maryland

 

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Police aren't sure if the victims were targeted.

"It's too early to tell, but this is a very calculated and very deliberate shooting, with a number of rounds on the ground and this kind of crime scene, we know that this was very deliberate, very violent," said Harrison. "These individuals need to be removed from the streets of Baltimore forever."

"From everything I've heard from the community here, the people that came and did this shooting don't live here. They came in here to cause harm, so I am not only saddened by this but I am incredibly angry," said Cohen.

Investigators are asking people to come forward with information about possible suspects.

"We don't have any descriptions right now, that's why it's so important that any information that's out there that we need it as fast as we can possibly get it," said Harrison.

 

Gee, four shot in broad daylight and police seem to know a little bit about it and the community doesn't seem to be helping.

In other words, another stupid drug war shooting.

But four were injured and the math dictates the political response: DO SOMETHING.

 

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11 hours ago, El Jefe said:

http://michellawyers.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Duncan-2019-03-29-Order-Granting-Plaintiffs-MSJ.pdf

Standard capacity magazine now legal in CA. Keeping America great!

No, the law is still on the books. There's a permanent injunction against enforcement now, extending the temporary injunction from the same judge, but there will certainly be an appeal. More in the thread on California's confiscation program.

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Congressional District: 7
State Senate District: 5
State House District: 10

According to police, the victims were out on the 500 block of North Hamlin Avenue around 3 a.m. Sunday when a man walked up and fired shots.

 

I'm thinking and praying that Chicago should have some rules against that kind of thing. Also, of course, thinking and praying of DOING SOMETHING, just like any mass shooting.

Mass Shooting In S Carolina

 

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Congressional District: 6
State Senate District: 42
State House District: 109

She told police she was shot while everyone was scattering and leaving the party. Officials say she was transported to Trident with injures that were not life-threatening.

Officers say they learned six other victims shot at the same location were taken in personal vehicles to Trident and MUSC, all with injuries that are not life-threatening.

Investigators are trying to identify a suspect or suspects involved in the shooting, and say some of the injured may be suspects.

 

7 is way more than 4, so possibly an extramass shooting or something?

When suspects and victims can't be sorted it's because no one is talking and that's almost always for the same reason: the stupid drug war.

So while this looks like another indicator that we need less government to some of us, to others the math dictates the political response: 7 is more than 4 so DO SOMETHING.

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1 hour ago, Shootist Jeff said:

@jocal505 has often and repeatedly said the mere presence of a gun can turn a sane, law-abiding citizen into a murdering psycho.  Because the gun whispers to them, or something.....

You need, and have needed for quite some time, an argument which offsets the weapons effect" studies.

According to studies, people do'n't think and react the same when they see a gun, or pack a gun.

Let's discuss this scientific work, intelligently.

Source:  http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-psyched/201301/the-weapons-effect

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Weapons can even make people aggressive when they cannot “see” them because they are presented subliminally. In a study conducted in our lab[4], for example, participants who were exposed to weapon words (e.g., gun) for only 17/100 second were more aggressive afterwards than were participants exposed to nonaggressive words (e.g., water).

Recent research shows that people can identify guns as quickly as they can identify spiders and snakes.[5], [6], [7] These findings are very interestingbecause guns are modern threats and cannot be explained using evolutionary principles.

Yet guns are a far more dangerous to people today than spiders or snakes. Poisonous spiders (e.g., Black Widows, Brown Recluses) kill about 6 Americans each year.[8] Poisonous snakes (e.g., rattlesnakes) kill about 5 Americans each year .[9] In comparison, guns kill about 31,000 Americans each year.[10]

Several studies have replicated the weapons effect. A review of 56 published studies confirmed that the mere sight of weapons increases aggression in both angry and nonangry individuals.[11] Perhaps the weapons effect occurs because weapons are closely linked to aggression in our brains.

 

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1 hour ago, Fakenews said:

Ok maybeJocelyn.  I don’t pay much attention to him anymore he’s a one trick pony.

Can you count? Three tricks, or more.

I've presented the emerging research, thoroughly. And I chased down pretty much all the social science conclusions about guns in the USA.

Then I shared some real history with the boys, and this is what we learned---

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  • Twenty-eight grievances were listed in the Declaration of Independence, but no grievance mentioned the right to weapons.
  • No grievance mentioned the illegality of the rampant powder confiscations which had legally occurred. Lord Dunsmore of Virginia named the law he stood on, and the local editor and pamphleteers had no legal response.
  • William Blackstone's four volume law summary was  quoted 18 times in the opening pages of CATO's Heller brief, written by Malcolm. But she butchered his summary of English law, and proceeded to nullify the Statute of Northhampton, which he clearly supported. Blackstone NEVER mentioned guns, or gun rights, or personal self defence, in his four volumes.
  •  The law which Joyce Lee Malcolm quotes. Article VII, is a gun control law allowing landed protestants, and their entourages, to enforce the law as justices of the peace, with arms. Average citizens were not granted guns under parliamentary authorty of the law she quotes in the 1689 English Bill of Rights.
  • Any right we "inherited from England" would have included gun confiscation by the sovereign government. The English Parliament of the Colonial times did a thorough job of disarming England, Scotland,  Wales, and Ireland.
  • Their new Declaration of Rights, therefore, pointedly avoided laws preventing search and seizure.

 

 

A fourth Joe trick might be my reporting on the current pattern in the courts. Eleven years after the Heller decision, the Second Amendment is not being interpreted along absolutist lines. Hmmm, Larry Pratt had been making shit up about self defense "rights" outdoors.

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Gun-rights groups launched more than 900 challenges to gun regulations from 2008 to 2015, according to a study last year by the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, a group that supports increased gun regulation. Courts have upheld the regulations in 96% of them.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-supreme-court-turns-away-legal-challenge-to-semiautomatic-rifle-ban-1466431947?mod=trending_now_3

Dick Heller must register and present his AW, if any, and needs to be fingerprinted every three years to have a dogballs  in DC.

 

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4 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

Hey tom, I have a question for you....  we all know how you feel about stupid bans on dogballs squirrel gunz.  But how do you feel about actual AR-15 style rifles and their elk?  Are you OK with them being banned as long as your precious squirrel mass killing guns are safe and removed from Nancy's list?  

Again?

We can pick that one up where you last left it.

On 12/1/2018 at 5:03 AM, Importunate Tom said:
On 11/27/2018 at 7:57 AM, dogballs Tom said:

A person who sincerely believed the things you posted back in 2000, when my elk had been saying for a long time they were true, would not vote for W and would say so, as I did.

So what did you do in 2000? Did you vote for someone who disagrees with the position you seem to have belatedly adopted from libertarians? Or are you a sincere person on this issue?

Jeff?

Should I call you "Shootist Come Lately" Jeff?

Seems appropriate, since you were not paying attention at all when I first started paying attention and (I'm guessing) voted for W despite his lukewarm support for the bans you have more recently come to join me in opposing.


So should it be "Shootist Come Lately" or what?

We can discuss this further in the Uncooperative Californicators thread, to name one in which there is no ban on rimfires but where I still seem to have had a problem with the ban for several years prior to your asking whether I have a problem.

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Congressional District: 5
State Senate District: 39
State House District: 55

Homicide investigators told the news station the five were involved in a fight at the apartment complex between two large groups an hour before the shooting. 

“About an hour later, the fighting began again,” Atlanta police Capt. Ricardo Vazquez said. “Someone produced a handgun, and at that point in time, multiple rounds were fired.”

Police are looking for at least one shooter Monday morning. The shooter is known by a nickname, which was not disclosed, according to Channel 2. 

 

This kind of thing won't happen so much once Billy dies and his scary magazine is confiscated. That's why we must DO SOMETHING STOOPID.

Seen a statement like that before Jeff? The CT ban exempts rimfires but for some reason seems to bother me anyway, just like these stupid gun bans did back when W said he would sign one. You never did mention whether you voted for him.

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13 minutes ago, Importunate Tom said:

Mass Shooting In Georgia

 

This kind of thing won't happen so much once Billy dies and his scary magazine is confiscated. That's why we must DO SOMETHING STOOPID.

Seen a statement like that before Jeff? The CT ban exempts rimfires but for some reason seems to bother me anyway, just like these stupid gun bans did back when W said he would sign one. You never did mention whether you voted for him.

Your story echoes the Burger King Gun Scramble  Fisticuffs were repeated, and a gun comes out, kinda righteously. You support shit like that, so why use this example? This is typical human behavior, and typical of what feeds our deplorable gun stats.

 

Hmmm, you talk like  like a FL dumbass, then others say shit I gotta DO SOMETHING. 

Tell us how you got kicked out of both private schools.

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Mass Shooting In Kentucky

 

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Congressional District: 4
State Senate District: 23
State House District: 65

Officers responded to the 300 block of East 13th Street at 8:52 p.m. for a report of a shooting with several victims, Covington police said in a news release. The responding officers found the five victims, ranging in age from 18 to 51, all suffering from gunshot wounds that were superficial or not life-threatening.

Police are looking for a black or dark colored sedan with tinted windows.

 

Glad no one was killed. Looks like typical drug war gang activity to me, so a good answer would be to UNDO SOMETHING but 5 is more than four so the math dictates that we must instead think and pray of DOING SOMETHING.

Mass Shooting In Mississippi

 

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Congressional District: 2
State Senate District: 36
State House District: 85

According to investigators, Page's girlfriend got into an argument with a man on Facebook. When she told Page about the argument, the two men allegedly planned to meet up.

“We haven't got to the total bottom of what happened, but it seems as if these individuals had talked about or had a conversation on social media about fighting. I don't know if the other individuals were there to watch the fight or see if the fight was going to take place,” said Sheriff Frank Davis.

That's when Page allegedly drove to Highway 18 and opened fire on a crowd of people.

“Instead of shooting the actual individuals he was in the argument with, he shot four more people who were not involved,” said Davis.

 

There's only one reasonable answer to such an incident: ban squirrel guns owned by people completely disconnected from the incident. You know, DO SOMETHING.

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On 4/1/2019 at 12:23 PM, Shootist Jeff said:

Hey tom, I have a question for you....  we all know how you feel about stupid bans on dogballs squirrel gunz.  But how do you feel about actual AR-15 style rifles and their elk?  Are you OK with them being banned as long as your precious squirrel mass killing guns are safe and removed from Nancy's list?  

That's two questions. I don't like them much or I would own one.

To your second one, no, I'm not OK with the stupid scary gun bans that W said he would sign. That's a reason I would not vote for him. I've been pretty consistent on this point, complaining repeatedly about the stupid gun ban in Billy's state for many years.

I bring up the squirrel guns in response to talk of banning "military" guns because it bursts that bubble so effectively that there was a need to censor such discussion.

That doesn't mean I'm unaware of how stupid the bans that don't cover our squirrel guns are. I've said over and over that I don't feel any safer knowing that Billy's scary magazine will be confiscated upon his death. I think it's stupid, doesn't make anyone safer, and seems to me to violate two amendments in the Bill of Rights. The second, for banning ordinary guns, and the fifth for taking them without compensation.

Now, did you vote for W after he said he would sign these stupid bans or not?

 

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Just now, Shootist Jeff said:

Ok thanks.  And my voting record is not germane to the subject.  Besides, I'm not a single issue voter.  

Mine is. I'm not a single issue voter but I'm someone who has opposed these stupid gun bans, even the ones that don't cover my guns, for a very long time.

"A reason" is not the same as "the reason."

And even back then, I was opposed to stupid gun bans and it affected but did not determine my vote.

Bringing up the fact that grabberz have gotten more extreme since then and now consider ordinary squirrel guns to be "assault" weapons is more a sign that they have changed. I was opposed to these bans back when they didn't cover squirrel guns and remain opposed to the ones that currently do not.

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4 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:

When it comes to killing sprees and mass murder, guns are just more effective. Just count the bodies in both large massacres and your "average" mass murders.


Our "average" mass murders tend to look a lot like drug war violence a lot of the time.

There have been 5 people killed in the last 10 "mass shootings," 6 of which resulted in no fatalities at all.

But those aren't very convenient and don't attract all that many thoughts and prayers of DOING SOMETHING, do they?

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Mass Shooting In Georgia

 

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Congressional District: 13
State Senate District: 10
State House District: 109

STOCKBRIDGE, Ga. (CBS46) – A 17-hour standoff ended just before 4 a.m. Friday when the SWAT team from the Georgia State Police entered a home and found the bodies of Sandra Renee White, 39, and Arkeyvion White, 16, along with the body of the alleged gunman, Anthony Bailey Jr., 47.

 

Two police were shot in the initial response and Sandra Renee White was 9 months pregant so that's either 5 or 6 victims, which is more than four, so thoughts and prayers of DOING SOMETHING are in order as in any other mass shooting.
 

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“I don’t know what to say. If you come over to your sister’s house and you see her dead in the garage and then you wait from 11 o’clock in the morning until now you find out all three of them are gone,” White said through tears.

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White’s family said Sandra had been unhappy with the man for years and she had served him eviction papers in March, but he wouldn’t leave. The family said Arkeyvion was not the child of Sandra and Bailey, Jr. but, she was pregnant with a boy and Bailey, Jr. was the father. The couple had planned to name the child Antonio.

“We probably have to plan a double funeral for a mother and her child,” she said. “I don’t think that parents should have to bury their children,” Anetria said. “This will be my dad’s third child that he buries.”

 

A double funeral for the third child he lost. Arkeyvion is a cool name. He was 16. It's sad even compared to other murder suicide stories, which don't tend to be happy.

Responding when you find someone dead in a garage is why we should have SWAT teams, which are too often used in the stupid drug war for no knock raids. I'm glad neither cop died.

 

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Six people were shot.

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Witnesses were not cooperating with investigators, police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said. Detectives were reviewing footage from nearby surveillance cameras but had little physical evidence to work with at the scene.

And it looks like the stupid drug war strikes again. But it's important to ignore the fact that too much government led to this situation and think and pray about government DOING SOMETHING ELSE STUPID in response. Because 6 is more than 4.

 

 

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Charles Hotaling, Seaman 2/c

“I was assigned to Turret I as a work station and general quarters station. Several times I was asked to put on a monkey suit (coveralls). I was a Gunner’s Mate striker. The first step was to get two lines from the chamber all the way through the (16-inch gun) barrel. This was done with the gas ejector. We would then use a hammock for me to lie on. We would secure a line to each corner and tie a rag around my head and I entered the chamber feet first. Someone would pass me a large rag and about a pound or more of grease. When I said ready men on deck would start pulling me through and I used my hands to spread the grease round and round the barrel. I was glad when my feet came out the other end.”

 

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53 minutes ago, Mike in Seattle said:

Charles Hotaling, Seaman 2/c

“I was assigned to Turret I as a work station and general quarters station. Several times I was asked to put on a monkey suit (coveralls). I was a Gunner’s Mate striker. The first step was to get two lines from the chamber all the way through the (16-inch gun) barrel. This was done with the gas ejector. We would then use a hammock for me to lie on. We would secure a line to each corner and tie a rag around my head and I entered the chamber feet first. Someone would pass me a large rag and about a pound or more of grease. When I said ready men on deck would start pulling me through and I used my hands to spread the grease round and round the barrel. I was glad when my feet came out the other end.”

 

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Its a good thing they didn't wrap him in copper to act a bore-brush! :lol:

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A banner day for grabberz yesterday, with four mass shootings. Only one resulted in fatalities and none seem all that convenient so they're unlikely to result in any TnP of DOING SOMETHING from anyone but me. Still, as noted many times, four is four and scary stats are the name of the game here.

Mass Shooting In Delaware

 

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Congressional District: 0
State Senate District: 3
State House District: 2

Tiffany Brown was sitting on a West 10th Street stoop when she heard at least seven gunshots around the corner on North Pine Street. 

“Everybody heard the shots. It was like pop, pop, pop,” she said. 

She saw males scatter, running away down the streets. 

“They were all just boys,” Brown said.

 

Who designates a Congressional district as "zero?"

Anyway, six were shot, no fatalities, looks like the stupid drug war again to me, but TnP of DOING SOMETHING.

Mass Shooting In North Carolina

 

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District

Congressional District: 5
State Senate District: 32
State House District: 71

Officers were called to NOVA Lounge shortly after 1:30 a.m. Sunday, saying that a disturbance led up to the shooting.

 

Gee, another late night at a bar. But six is more than four so the SOLution is the same as any other mass shooting: DO SOMETHING.

 

Mass Shooting In Indiana

 

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Congressional District: 7
State Senate District: 34
State House District: 98

According to the Indianapolis Metro Police Department, the shooting occurred shortly after 1 a.m. in the 3600 block of Roosevelt Avenue at a brown brick building that has no name, but is a known hangout for motorcycle clubs.


 

 

Gee, another late night at a bar. But six is more than four so the SOLution is the same as any other mass shooting: DO SOMETHING.

Mass Shooting In Louisiana

 

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District

Congressional District: 4
State Senate District: 38
State House District: 7

Someone drove up in Alpha Mobile Home Park in the 400 block of Flournoy Lucas Road and began shooting, Hines said.

Investigators think they know who was in the vehicle, he added.

 

They apparently recovered both rifle and handgun shell casings, so this one is an indication that grabberz are right to ban plinking handguns along with squirrel rifles in response. DO SOMETHING!

 

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Seaman 2/c Hotaling  is a good troop.  Earned a Hollywood shower and a cold beer.

On 4/7/2019 at 5:45 AM, Shootist Jeff said:

Its a good thing they didn't wrap him in copper to act a bore-brush! :lol:

:) , the  brillo sleeping bag.   Image result for copper brillo sleeping bag    is the right tool for that job.

 

 

 

 

:angry:   !!JOCAL,    MELI,    MISSY GIBLETS !!    

           Report to Turret 1 on the double !

Image result for man in 16 inch gun

 

 

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Mass Shooting In Missouri

 

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Congressional District: 5
State Senate District: 9
State House District: 26

One of the victims, a man, had life-threatening injuries, according to Capt. Tim Hernandez, a police spokesman. Three others — an 18-year-old man, a 42-year-old woman and a 42-year-old man — had injuries that were not thought to be life-threatening. All four were taken to a hospital.

Police said there could have been multiple shooters involved, but no descriptions were immediately available.

Police believe the suspects were shooting down the street toward the residence where the four victims were found.

 

TnP of DOING SOMETHING as always.

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Mass Shooting In Maryland

 

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Congressional District: 7
State Senate District: 40
State House District: 40

Four men were shot around 11:15 a.m. Thursday in the 2800 block of Parkwood Ave., police said. Investigators found three shooting victims in the area: a man who had been shot in the stomach, a 27-year-old man who was shot in the shoulder and a 39-year-old man who was shot in the leg. The man who was shot in the stomach died of his injuries, and a fourth shooting victim later arrived at an area hospital with graze wounds, police said.

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“I’m really not happy with what happened, but I’m looking forward to our Police Department and officers [doing] the best they can,” Young said in an interview Thursday. “But police officers can’t do it by themselves. We need the community to step forward.”

 

Gee, the stupid drug war again.

I suspect the community will continue to be aware that stepping forward is extremely hazardous to your health and that the drug gangs are about all that passes for an economy in their neighborhoods. So they won't step forward, prompting calls by police for them to do so. It does make it easy to tell when a "mass" shooting would indicate a need to UNDO SOMETHING, at least to those inclined to reduce government power.

But four is four and the math dictates the political response again, so TnP of DOING SOMETHING.

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Mass Shooting In Arizona

 

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Congressional District: 7
State Senate District: 29
State House District: 29

Austin Smith has been arrested and charged with killing his wife, two of his children and a family friend near 67th Avenue and Camelback Road.

 

It was actually two shootings of the non-politically convenient kind, since he changed locations, but that little detail can be ignored in favor of padding the scare stats so people know we must DO SOMETHING.

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Before the call that changed Sergeant Timothy Gramins’ life forever, he typically carried 47 rounds of handgun ammunition on his person while on duty.

Today, he carries 145, “every day, without fail.”

He detailed the gunfight that caused the difference in a gripping presentation at the annual conference of the Assn. of SWAT Personnel-Wisconsin.

At the core of his desperate firefight was a murderous attacker who simply would not go down, even though he was shot 14 times with .45-cal. ammunition — six of those hits in supposedly fatal locations.

 

Note to mods: if you decide to censor that caliber as well, I suggest "bullballs."

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Mass Shooting In Illinois

 

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Congressional District: 12
State Senate District: 59
State House District: 118

Carbondale Police Chief Jeff Grubbs said the shooting was the result of a dispute among several acquaintances. Two of the people who were injured were involved in the dispute, and two of the injured were bystanders, Grubbs said.

Police identified one of the suspects as Jody L. Pullen Jr., a 27-year-old from Carbondale. Officers have a warrant for his arrest on charges of aggravated unlawful use of a weapon, aggravated battery with a firearm and felon in possession of a firearm.

 

Gee another late night at a bar, with a failure of existing gun control to boot.

But four is four and mass shootings mean we must think and pray of DOING SOMETHING.

 

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More typical references to "mass" shootings look like this one:

On 4/10/2019 at 8:59 PM, Navig8tor said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2019

Or any of these 4 or more people shot in one instance events,  4 or more is the definition of a Mass shootings, this just for 2019.

Lets look at the totals shall we, don't  not be too disturbed by the  separate column for school shootings..... they have become so "normal" now. but fortunately zero so far.

Shootings statistics by month
Month Number of events Total number killed Total number wounded Total number of school shootings
January 28 36 92 0
February 22 41 68 0
March 20 13 89 0
April

Oh and don't worry we know your thoughts and prayers are with them........and the NRAs got your back cause its all about freedom...right?

Date Location Dead Injured Total Description
April 9, 2019 Kansas City, Missouri 0 4 4 Police found four people with gunshot wounds in front of a residence.[11]
April 7, 2019 Shreveport, Louisiana 0 4 4 Four people were wounded in a shooting at a mobile home park.[12]
April 7, 2019 Indianapolis, Indiana 2 3 5 Two people were killed and three were wounded in a shooting at a motorcycle club hangout.[13]
April 7, 2019 Winston-Salem, North Carolina 0 6 6 Six people were wounded in a shooting outside of a local bar.[14]
April 7, 2019 Wilmington, Delaware 0 6 6 Six young men were wounded in a shooting in the city's East Side district.[15]
April 6, 2019 Chicago, Illinois 0 6 6 At least six people were injured in a shooting at a baby shower.[16]
April 6, 2019 Tallahassee, Florida 0 4 4 Four Florida A&M University students were injured in a shooting following an argument at a house party.[17]
April 4, 2019 Panama City, Florida 1 3 4 One person was killed and three were found with gunshot injuries in Panama City.[18]
April 4, 2019 Stockbridge, Georgia 3 2 5 Two officers responding to a suspected hostage situation were wounded and three individuals were later found deceased in a murder–suicide.[19]
April 2, 2019 Hermanville, Mississippi 0 4 4 A man shot four people in a drive-by shooting outside of a convenience store.[20]
April 2, 2019 Covington, Kentucky 0 5 5 Five people were wounded in a drive-by shooting at an intersection.[21]
March 31, 2019 Chicago, Illinois 1 4 5 One person was killed and four people were wounded in a shooting in East Garfield Park.[22]
March 31, 2019 Atlanta, Georgia 1 4 5 One person was killed and four were wounded during a house party.[23]
March 31, 2019 North Charleston, South Carolina 0 7 7 Seven people were wounded in a shooting at an overnight house party.[24]
March 28, 2019 Baltimore, Maryland 0 4 4 Four people were wounded in a shooting near a playground.[25]
March 25, 2019 North Las Vegas, Nevada 0 5 5 An after-school fight led to a shooting in a neighborhood; five teenagers were wounded.[26]
March 24, 2019 San Francisco, California 1 5 6 A shooting occurred near the Fillmore Heritage Center around 8:40 pm local time; one person was killed and five others were injured.[27]
March 24, 2019 Phoenix, Arizona 0 7 7 During a warehouse party, a fight broke out and escalated into a shooting; seven people were wounded.[28]
March 19, 2019 Phoenix, Arizona 2 4 6 An argument at a house party ended in a shooting when the perpetrator returned to the party and killed two and wounded four before fleeing.[29]
March 17, 2019 Augusta, Georgia 0 4 4 Four people were wounded after an argument, although the shooter claims that it was in self-defense to being randomly attacked.[30]
March 17, 2019 Las Vegas, Nevada 0 4 4 Four people were wounded at the El Cortez Hotel and Casino in an early morning shooting. The suspect was later arrested.[31]
March 17, 2019 Rochelle, Georgia 1 3 4 In the early morning, two groups were involved in a dispute, which ended with one person killed and three people wounded.[32]
March 16, 2019 Camden, New Jersey 1 3 4 One man was killed and three others were wounded following a shooting at a "residential speakeasy".[33]
March 15, 2019 Mobile, Alabama 2 3 5 Two men were killed and three others were wounded in an overnight shooting behind a home. The suspect was arrested the next day.[34]
March 14, 2019 Missoula, Montana 1 3 4 One person was fatally shot and three others were wounded, including a Montana Highway Patrol trooper following a road rage incident.[35]
March 13, 2019 Harvey, Illinois 1 3 4 One person was killed and three were wounded after gunfire erupted in a nightclub.[36]
March 11, 2019 Paterson, New Jersey 0 4 4 Four men were wounded in a shooting inside of a local liquor store.[37]
March 10, 2019 Denver, Colorado 1 4 5 A conflict between two individuals escalated into a shooting; one man was killed, and four others were injured.[38]
March 10, 2019 Shreveport, Louisiana 0 4 4 Three children and one adult were wounded in a drive-by shooting.[39]
March 3, 2019 Oakland, California 0 4 4 Four people were injured in a shooting at a sports bar following a fight.[40]
March 3, 2019 Chicago, Illinois 0 6 6 Six people were injured in a shooting at a bar following a fight.[41]
March 2, 2019 Pine Bluff, Arkansas 1 4 5 One person was killed and four other were wounded at a party when shots were fired into a home.[42]
February 28, 2019 Oakland, California 1 4 5 One person was killed and four others were wounded in a shooting near a gas station.[43]
February 22, 2019 Birmingham, Alabama 2 2 4 Two people were killed and two were injured in a shooting at a party in a home.[44]
February 21, 2019 Elizabethtown, Kentucky 2 2 4 Two people were killed and two others were found wounded in two separate shootings believed to be perpetrated by the same man.[45]
February 21, 2019 Baltimore, Maryland 1 4 5 Officers on patrol responded to gunshots, and upon investigation discovered a deceased male and four wounded victims.[46]
February 21, 2019 Houston, Texas 2 2 4 A gunman perched on the roof of a home killed two and wounded two after an argument led to the incident.[47]
February 20, 2019 Covington, Tennessee 0 4 4 Three adults and a teenager were injured inside a home in a presumed targeted shooting.[48]
February 18, 2019 Solon Township, Michigan 4[n 1] 0 4 A 28-year-old woman killed her three children, ages 8, 6 and 2, before killing herself.[49][50][51]
February 17, 2019 Evansville, Indiana 0 5 5 Five people were wounded after shots were fired outside of a bar. Two suspects were taken into custody by police.[52]
February 17, 2019 Henderson, Texas 2 2 4 Two people were wounded and two were killed in a shooting at an apartment complex. The suspect was later arrested in Bienville Parish, Louisiana.[53]
February 17, 2019 New Orleans, Louisiana 1[n 1] 5 6 After police attempted to arrest a suspect, a gunfight broke out, and led to one person being killed and five being wounded.[54]
February 16, 2019 Clinton, Mississippi 4 0 5 Police responded to a domestic dispute at a residence; upon arrival, the suspect fired shots at officers leading to a 12-hour hostage standoff. Four people were killed, and the suspect was taken into custody and later died.[55]
February 15, 2019 Aurora, Illinois 6[n 1] 6 12 Aurora, Illinois shooting: A man opened fire in his workplace, killing five employees, and injuring five police officers and a civilian before being killed by police.[56]
February 14, 2019 Jacksonville, Florida 2 2 4 After a fight broke out near a basketball court at a park, multiple people started shooting at each other. Two people were killed, and two were wounded.[57]
February 11, 2019 Livingston, Texas 5 0 5 A family member heard sounds of gunfire, and upon investigation, found four adults and one toddler deceased.[58]
February 9, 2019 Petersburg, Virginia 0 4 4 Four people were injured in a shooting outside of an apartment complex.[59]
February 6, 2019 Brooklyn, New York 1 3 4 A man was killed and three others were injured after a shooting in the lobby of an apartment building around 10:30 pm ET.[60]
February 6, 2019 Cleveland, Ohio 1 3 4 One man was killed and three others were injured after a shooting broke out in Cleveland's Clark–Fultonneighborhood.[61]
February 5, 2019 San Antonio, Texas 2 2 4 A man and woman were killed and two others injured after the shooter kicked open an apartment door and shot inside, before fleeing.[62]
February 4, 2019 Washington, D.C. 0 5 5 Four men and an elementary-school-age girl were injured in a shooting at a bus stop.[63]
February 4, 2019 Baton Rouge, Louisiana 0 4 4 Four people were wounded in an early morning shooting.[64]
February 3, 2019 Chicago, Illinois 2 5 7 Around 2 am local time, two people were killed and five people were wounded in a drive-by shooting after a fight outside of a club.[65]
February 1, 2019 San Diego, California 0 4 4 A fight broke out at a house party and shots were fired; four people were wounded.[66]
January 28, 2019 Houston, Texas 2[n 1] 4 6 Four police officers were shot while serving a warrant in southeast Houston. Two of the perpetrators were killed.[67]
January 27, 2019 Birmingham, Alabama 0 5 5 Police responded to a call and discovered five people with gunshot wounds, along with two of the victims sustaining life-threatening injuries.[68]
January 26, 2019 Newark, New Jersey 1 3 4 A gunman opened fire on individuals attending a candlelight vigil, killing one, and wounding three others.[69]
January 26, 2019 Indianapolis, Indiana 0 5 5 A man was asked to leave a bar; shortly after, he came back and shot five people, critically wounding two.[70]
January 26, 2019 Albany, Georgia 0 4 4 Two people were found with bullet wounds in front of a residence, and two more arrived at a hospital with gunshot injuries from the same shooting.[71]
January 26, 2019 Ascension Parish and Livingston Parish, Louisiana 5 0 5 January 2019 Louisiana shootings: A 21-year old man killed five people, including his parents, in two parishes in Louisiana.[72] The suspect fled to Virginia and was arrested the next day.[73]
January 24, 2019 State College, Pennsylvania 4[n 1] 1 5 A man killed two people and injured one inside a local bar, then drove away and broke into a home and killed the homeowner before killing himself.[74]
January 24, 2019 Rockmart, Georgia 4 1 5 A man killed four individuals and injured another in two separate shootings.[75]
January 23, 2019 Sebring, Florida 5 0 5 Sebring, Florida shooting: At least five people were killed in a hostage incident and shooting at a bank. The suspect was taken into custody by police.[76]
January 20, 2019 Miami, Florida 0 4 4 Three adults and a child were wounded in a shooting while attending a block party.[77]
January 19, 2019 Gaffney, South Carolina 1 4 5 One person was killed and four others were wounded in a shooting at a nightclub.[78]
January 19, 2019 Jacksonville, Florida 3[n 1] 2 5 A man killed two people and injured two more before killing himself.[79]
January 19, 2019 Lebanon, Pennsylvania 0 4 4 In an apparent targeted shooting, four individuals were discovered shot in a building.[80]
January 19, 2019 Chicago, Illinois 0 4 4 Early in the morning, three women and a man were involved in a fight and were injured in the ensuing shooting.[81]
January 19, 2019 Houston, Texas 3 2 5 Three people were killed and two more were injured by a homeowner in a possible attempted home invasion.[82]
January 17, 2019 Owensboro, Kentucky 3 1 4 Three people were killed and another person was wounded in a shooting at a home. Two men were arrested in relation to the shooting.[83]
January 16, 2019 Jacksonville, Florida 1 5 6 A man was killed and five other people were injured in a shooting. The Mayor of Jacksonville described the shooting as gang-related, although this characterization has been disputed by the sister of the deceased man.[84]
January 16, 2019 Palmdale, California 3 1 4 Three people were killed and another one was wounded in a shooting.[85]
January 15, 2019 Little Rock, Arkansas 1 4[n 1] 5 An argument over a gun inside a local ice cream shop led to a shooting. One man was killed and four others, including the suspected shooter, were injured.[86]
January 13, 2019 Phoenix, Arizona 1 5[n 1] 6 An argument at a motel escalated into a shooting. One person was killed, and five others were injured.[87]
January 6, 2019 Roswell, New Mexico 0 4 4 A man injured four people in a shooting following an argument at a party. He was arrested the same day.[88]
January 4, 2019 Hurt, Virginia 3[n 1] 2 5 A man killed his wife and son in their home and injured two people who were inside a vehicle before killing himself.[89]
January 4, 2019 Houston, Texas 1[n 1] 3 4 A man injured his brother and two friends before being killed by a police officer.[90]
January 4, 2019 Torrance, California 3 4 7 An argument at the Torrance bowling alley escalated into a fight and three people were killed by gunshots, at least four others were wounded. A suspect who was out of prison on parole has been arrested.[91]
January 3, 2019 Texas City, Texas 3 1 4 Three children under the age of six were found deceased along with a wounded woman in an apparent home invasion.[92]
January 2, 2019 Jonesboro, Arkansas 1 3 4 A 16-year-old boy was killed and three others were wounded during a home invasion.[93]
January 1, 2019 Columbia, South Carolina 0 5 5 Five people were shot and wounded outside of a nightclub around 6am local time.[94]
January 1, 2019 Tallahassee, Florida 0 5 5 Five people were shot and wounded around 3am local time at the University Village Shopping Center.[95]

 

Must make you feel so proud, warm and fuzzy right............ mike?

Just a long list, no one bothers looking at details like I do and finding out that we're mostly talking about drunks and drug gangs.

 

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And drunks and drug gangs make it acceptable to have this number of dead people?

Thank goodness we have decided to act before our general population becomes so immune to such unnecessary violence, but do carry on.

Our thoughts and prayers are with you Meanwhile  your elected rep has his retirement taken care of, the funeral industry is booming and everyone’s so nervous they are buying more guns.

Self perpetuating,.....its what corporate America loves.

It keeps the shareholders happy.

Is there not any irony in the position you take?

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2 minutes ago, Navig8tor said:

And drunks and drug gangs make it acceptable to have this number of dead people?

No, they're just not particularly relevant to banning and confiscating my squirrel shooter.

Unless you can explain the relevance?

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