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10 hours ago, Fakenews said:

11 dead in VA 6 injured. A most inconvenient number for gun nutters.  No word on the caliber but with that # likely a AR15.  Of course all guns are AW’s just ask the victims if they feel assaulted.

Apparently could have been much more.  At least he’s dead.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/31/us/virginia-beach-shooting/index.html

Tom will be along to offer thought and prayers of doing something.

 

You are too thick to know that a convenient "mass" shooting gets a new thread before the bodies cool down?

At least noted assault weapon dealer and $ecret $peaker badlat knows when there's a gungrabby opportunity. From his attention whore thread:

5 hours ago, badlatitude said:
5 hours ago, Mid said:

bah , just 'nother day in the States .

Hey, at least we had two days between mass shootings this time.

Actually, we frequently go longer and it's always a LOT longer between convenient ones, which is why I'm the only one to comment on most of them.

 

1 hour ago, Happy said:

Virtually all these atrocities are perpetrated by born 'n bred true blue Americans.

As the NY Times noted, they're actually most often true black Americans. But that's a REALLY inconvenient fact so not much discussed.

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Tom, please recall that most of us stopped being polite to you after you humorously called for the regulation of Dodge Challengers like the one used in the Charlottesville murder.  It's crypto-Na

And keep the guns locked up or in your possession.  Kids have friends who come over.

So race baiting is calling you out for your own history of racist posts, Joe? Or is the "race-baiting" the part where everyone reads your words and ascribes a racist intent to it, even if that wa

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As usual, there's an inconvenient "mass" shooting to discuss that occurred the previous day. Naturally, badlat didn't get the news.

Mass Shooting In Illinois

 

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Congressional District: 1
State Senate District: 15
State House District: 30

According to a preliminary investigation, shots were fired from a vehicle that had pulled up to where a gathering was being held, wounding five people.

 

Gee, another drive-by that is characteristic of the stupid drug war. 5 wounded, no deaths.

5 is more than 4, so the SOLution is as obvious as always: DO SOMETHING.

 

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More from the attention whore thread:

3 hours ago, Mid said:

anyway , this was just one of four today ...................................


You mean there's a source that's better at finding these than the gungrabby archive?

Please share!

Taking a wild guess here: the other three were not convenient for gungrabby purposes?

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I wonder if this is a common occurrence in Florida?

VALRICO, Florida — A man in Valrico is facing a manslaughter charge after deputies say he accidentally shot and killed a woman during an act of foreplay.

Andrew Shinault, 23, shot the woman in her upper body with his registered hand gun around 12:30 p.m. on Sunday. Deputies say the two were engaging in an act of foreplay involving the gun.

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VALRICO, Florida — A man in Valrico is facing a manslaughter charge after deputies say he accidentally shot and killed a woman during an act of foreplay.

Andrew Shinault, 23, shot the woman in her upper body with his registered hand gun around 12:30 p.m. on Sunday. Deputies say the the two were engaging in an act of foreplay involving the gun.

 

The woman, in her 20s, was taken to Brandon Regional Hospital where she later died.

Shinault was charged with manslaughter with a weapon on Friday. He was booked into the Orient Road Jail on a $50,000 bond

https://www.wkbw.com/news/national/florida-man-accidentally-shoots-kills-woman-during-foreplay-deputies-say?fbclid=IwAR2mt34oykfdJx--1DoG7gcjGFMDw8EhRSLEbaXEE4ypwioO6eWzx9mxMrc

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13 hours ago, badlatitude said:

Andrew Shinault, 23, shot the woman in her upper body with his registered hand gun around 12:30 p.m. on Sunday. Deputies say the two were engaging in an act of foreplay involving the gun.

Idiocy abounds and sexuality has many dimensions. Bull Gator even started a thread about his fixation on buttery asses.

We don't have gun registration here in FL, so it appears to have afflicted the "reporter" who researched this story.

 

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Mass Shooting In California

 

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Congressional District: 32
State Senate District: 22
State House District: 48

Detectives said they found balloons in the yard and street and believe a nitrous oxide tank was used to fill the balloons to inhale in what is being considered a "nos party."


It was believed a fight broke out at the party, which led to the shooting.

Detectives believe there were between 30 to 40 people, a majority between the ages of 16 to 20 years old at the party. Most fled after the shooting occurred.

 

When do people flee and not want to talk to cops after being shot at? When the stupid drug war is involved, of course.

The answer to the failures of prohibition must be: another stupid prohibition program. We may not know anything about the gun(s) used, but it's a "mass" shooting so TeamD knows which guns to ban. DO SOMETHING.

 

Mass Shooting In Illinois

 

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Congressional District: 7
State Senate District: 4
State House District: 8

They were in a parking lot about 9:47 p.m. in the 5600 block of West Madison Street when someone unleashed gunfire from across the street, Chicago police said.

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a witness on the scene told the Sun-Times the shooters “must have had automatics” because he heard a lot of shots.

 

Looks like more stupid drug war violence in the sanctuary of gungrabbiness.

The witness may have been fooled by lies like Obama's recent ones but the chances that an automatic was used are very small and the chances it was a legally-owned full auto are about nil.

In any case, the speculation is not needed. Four is four. The math dictates the same SOLution as ever: DO SOMETHING.

 

Another Mass Shooting In Illinois

 

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Congressional District: 7
State Senate District: 13
State House District: 26

Four people were wounded by gunfire Saturday in a shooting near Northwestern University’s Gold Coast campus on the Near North Side.

Two men were standing outside a red van about 2 a.m. in the 300 block of East Chicago Avenue, Chicago police said. They heard gunfire, saw several vehicles drive away and realized they were hit.

The 28-year-old was shot in both legs, and the 26-year-old was struck in the buttocks, police said. Both went to Northwestern Memorial Hospital where their conditions were stabilized.

Two other men who were in the area were also shot, police said. A 28-year-old was grazed in the head, and a 25-year-old was struck in the head. They drove in a silver-colored Toyota sedan to Cermak Road and State Street where they flagged down an ambulance.

 

 

Chicago again.

This one was near a university, meaning it might be a "school shooting."

Looks more like two separate drug war drive-by's (again). But if you consider them as one, then four is four and the SOLution is to DO SOMETHING.

 

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On 5/30/2019 at 8:48 AM, chinabald said:

But, jocal heard that most are domestic violence. Did he hear wrong?

You tell us, chinabald. You can read, and I posted the info several times.

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We’re Missing The Big Picture On Mass Shootings

Most take place inside the home and are anything but random.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mass-shootings-domestic-violence-women_us_55d3806ce4b07addcb44542a

We found that in 57 percent of mass shootings, the shooter targeted either a family member or an intimate partner. According to HuffPost’s analysis, 64 percent of mass shooting victims were women and children. That’s startling, since women typically make up only 15 percent of total gun violence homicide victims, and children only 7 percent. 

70% of mass shooting incidents occurred at home

42% of mass shooting incidents involved a current or former intimate partner

57% of mass shooting incidents involved a current/former intimate partner or family member

 

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17 minutes ago, jocal505 said:
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A shooting in Newtown, Conn. in December 2012 in which 27 people were killed, including 20 children, is included here as an incident in which a family member was killed because the shooter killed his mother, though none of the other victims were related to him.

That's certainly one way to end up with 26 extra victims of domestic violence, most of them kids.

Not an honest way, but one way.

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The Huffington Post analyzed five years of mass shooting data compiled by Everytown For Gun Safety, a gun violence prevention organization backed by former New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg. We looked at shootings in which at least four people were killed with a gun (the common definition of mass shootings, though there is debate over the best way to define them).

That's a six year old article at the link and the "debate" has since been settled. The definition that results in the most scary numbers is the favorite, which is why the gungrabby archive uses it.

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3 hours ago, Importunate Tom said:

Mass Shooting In California

 

When do people flee and not want to talk to cops after being shot at? When the stupid drug war is involved, of course.

The answer to the failures of prohibition must be: another stupid prohibition program. We may not know anything about the gun(s) used, but it's a "mass" shooting so TeamD knows which guns to ban. DO SOMETHING.

 

Mass Shooting In Illinois

 

Looks like more stupid drug war violence in the sanctuary of gungrabbiness.

The witness may have been fooled by lies like Obama's recent ones but the chances that an automatic was used are very small and the chances it was a legally-owned full auto are about nil.

In any case, the speculation is not needed. Four is four. The math dictates the same SOLution as ever: DO SOMETHING.

 

Another Mass Shooting In Illinois

 

 

Chicago again.

This one was near a university, meaning it might be a "school shooting."

Looks more like two separate drug war drive-by's (again). But if you consider them as one, then four is four and the SOLution is to DO SOMETHING.

 

Do you feel it, Tom? I do, people are talking more and politicians are taking greater note of gun violence. Something is going to get done, I can't tell you what or when, but I can tell you it will definitely happen. Each time there is a mass shooting in this country, we get closer to a solution of some kind. You could try to self-police to ward off the politicians, but frankly, I think you are too late. If the NRA were proactive instead of recalcitrant about a SOLution, you wouldn't even be at this point. America is going to DO SOMETHING and sooner than you think.

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37 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

Your fellow Lapua strokers.

When was or have Lapua rounds been used in a mass shooting incident? 

The situation in the US with these shootings is ridiculous, but you guys really need to stay on subject. 

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5 hours ago, badlatitude said:

Something is going to get done, I can't tell you what or when, but I can tell you it will definitely happen.

I wonder how suspension of some of the BoR will go over in California?

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5 hours ago, badlatitude said:

Each time there is a mass shooting in this country, we get closer to a solution KNEE JERK REACTION THAT WILL HAVE ZERO EFFECT of some kind.

FIFY

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A thread for Tom to celebrate death. He’s unhinged.  You need help Tom. Seriously. I hope your few remaining loved ones host an intervention soon, but they’re probably afraid you’d shoot them.

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55 minutes ago, bpm57 said:

I wonder how suspension of some of the BoR will go over in California?

It will go the same way as everywhere, Shock, bewilderment, acceptance. There may be a few hardcore reactionaries, but in the end, they will get in line too, because they have no answer themselves for all the violence, and they know as well as anyone that it cannot continue.

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13 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

It will go the same way as everywhere, Shock, bewilderment, acceptance. There may be a few hardcore reactionaries, but in the end, they will get in line too, because they have no answer themselves for all the violence, and they know as well as anyone that it cannot continue.

You really believe every home being searched by police will be reacted to with a yawn?

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18 minutes ago, bpm57 said:

You really believe every home being searched by police will be reacted to with a yawn?

I have no idea how they intend to accomplish that. I would make gun ownership terminate at death. If heirs want to fight it out, that's their choice.

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10 hours ago, bpm57 said:

I wonder how suspension of some of the BoR will go over in California?

The Supremes have said over and over that rights can be regulated. It’s nit a big deal.

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20 minutes ago, Raz'r said:
10 hours ago, bpm57 said:

I wonder how suspension of some of the BoR will go over in California?

The Supremes have said over and over that rights can be regulated. It’s nit a big deal.

That’s very true.  But the question is when your rights to privacy and free speech, and journalism and due process get highly regulated in the quest for public safety, how will you feel about it?  Because that’s coming too, once ya’ll find out that just banning some gunz is not going to significantly change the death rates.  Because if you REALLY cared about children and others being killed, you would be calling for the house to house searches of inner city ghettos to find all the illegal gunz.  But you won’t because.... “rights”.  The privacy rights of the inner city gang bangers is more precious to you than the rights of law abiding gun owners who have committed no crimes.  “If it saves just one child......”. Right?  But the reality is you don’t truly give two fucks about saving children - its all about looking like you’re doing something to assuage your guilt as well as your fear that some of your precious rights that you enjoy might be abridged down the road.  

And you are correct to fear that.  Because Privacy and Due process rights are THE two biggest barriers to reducing the death rate here in the US of A.  If you really wanted to save children from being shot, regulating the fuck out of those two constitutional rights would pay dividends literally overnight and have an immediate and lasting effect on the death rates.  

And the sad thing is you know I’m right - you’re not stupid.  You’re just choosing to ignore this and focus on tools as a bandaid measure hoping to throw the 2nd under the bus and buy you time before the rest of the country wakes up to the fact that the 4th and 5th (with a pinch of the 1st thrown in for taste) likely account for far more death and destruction than the 2nd could ever hope to achieve.  LOOK OVER THERE - SHINY GUNZ!

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12 hours ago, Raz'r said:

A thread for Tom grabbers to celebrate death.

Fixed, and your thread celebrating deaths as a reason to DO SOMETHING was archived due to lack of interest. Quite possibly because the reality doesn't align with TeamD rhetoric, as the NY Times noted. Most are darn inconvenient, but lumping them all together when a rare shooting that is convenient for gungrabby purposes still happens.

 

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23 hours ago, chinabald said:

So who should I believe? The Huffingtonpost, or The NY Times?  

Believe the numbers. Then weigh in with your considered POV, cb.

And consider this from a second angle. The number one cop liability is... the DV call.

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2 hours ago, jocal505 said:

And consider this from a second angle. The number one cop liability is... the DV call.

Probably because most cops have the sense to stay out of the inner city ghetto gang wars at night.  Just saying.....

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2 minutes ago, Shootist Jeff said:

Probably because most cops have the sense to stay out of the inner city ghetto gang wars at night.  Just saying.....

you clearly ain't spending a lot of your nights in the ghetto

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It’s come to this..

After another US mass slaughter by way of assault weapons China has issued a travel advisory joining a growing list of countries that judge travel to the US by their citizens ill advised.

China cites “frequent shooting and theft” much like Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-04/china-warns-citizens-against-u-s-travel-as-trade-spat-deepens?srnd=premium

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17 hours ago, MR.CLEAN said:
17 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

Probably because most cops have the sense to stay out of the inner city ghetto gang wars at night.  Just saying.....

you clearly ain't spending a lot of your nights in the ghetto

Well, you got me there sparky.

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6 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

It’s come to this..

After another US mass slaughter by way of assault weapons China has issued a travel advisory joining a growing list of countries that judge travel to the US by their citizens ill advised.

China cites “frequent shooting and theft” much like Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-04/china-warns-citizens-against-u-s-travel-as-trade-spat-deepens?srnd=premium

Good, maybe their pregnancy tourism outfits will send their clients to France instead.  

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Mass Shooting In South Carolina
 

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Allendale Police confirm 5 people were shot at a business in Allendale last night.

They say they responded to reports of shots fired at The Allendale Car Wash on 473 Main Street South. When they arrived, police say several people were shot and taken to the hospital by in personal cars.

The Allendale County Coroner says no one was killed in this shooting.

 

Bears a striking resemblance to lots of drug war shootings. Again.

5 is more than four, so even without information like the type of gun used the math yields the SOLution: DO SOMETHING.

 

Mass Shooting In Georgia
 

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Police said two more victims with gunshot wounds came to Grady Memorial Hospital Saturday evening as a result of a downtown Atlanta incident that had already left three others hurt. 

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As for the one alleged gunman who got away, he was described as a black male with dreadlocks who was wearing a gray t-shirt and black sweatpants. The search for this man remains active and anyone with information about him - or the shooting - should call Atlanta Police.

 

Gee, no one seems to know who this was. Or they know better than to say, as is often the case in stupid drug war shootings.

But 5 is still more than 4 so TnP of DOING SOMETHING.

 

Another Mass Shooting In Georgia

 

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Congressional District: 2
State Senate District: 26
State House District: 141

One man was killed and five others were wounded in two Macon shootings that happened an hour apart Saturday night.

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Sheriff’s Sgt. Linda Howard said it is not known at this time whether the two shootings are related.

So this might or might not be one "mass shooting" but the folks at the gungrabby archive have a grabber's usual instinct to pad numbers whenever possible in order to make guns scary, so it's listed as one despite the time gap and Sgt. Howard's statement. Viewed from that perspective, it's clear that 5 is more than 4 so we must DO SOMETHING.

 

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Hey tom, wouldn't these drug war stats posts and the subsequent calls for prohibition not fit better in the Honduras & Cocaine thread raging right now???  I mean you have everyone over there all pretty 100% agreeing that prohibitions don't work and have never worked.  It seems like they should easily agree that these stats relating to the drug war you are constantly posting also don't benefit from the SOLution of prohibition.  So maybe your time would be better spent posting these over there where its actually relevant to the on-going conversation and there seems to be widespread agreement.  Just saying.  

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15 minutes ago, Shootist Jeff said:

Hey tom, wouldn't these drug war stats posts and the subsequent calls for prohibition not fit better in the Honduras & Cocaine thread raging right now???  I mean you have everyone over there all pretty 100% agreeing that prohibitions don't work and have never worked.  It seems like they should easily agree that these stats relating to the drug war you are constantly posting also don't benefit from the SOLution of prohibition.  So maybe your time would be better spent posting these over there where its actually relevant to the on-going conversation and there seems to be widespread agreement.  Just saying.  

In 2015, I said this:

On 6/25/2015 at 6:36 AM, Importunate Tom said:

It looks like the thread on how Americans have been terribly and systematically misled by Duopoly drug warriors was a casualty of whatevertheheck happened to the forum recently.


The thread I referenced was a good resource, IMO, and the current one, approaching its fourth birthday, is starting to approach it.

I'm participating in hasher's separate thread but will continue to post in the stupid prohibition thread long after that flash in the pan fades out.

I put the reports on "mass shootings" here because they're referenced in most calls to DO SOMETHING. The fact that the SOLution doesn't match the problem is kinda the point.

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On 6/2/2019 at 9:53 AM, badlatitude said:

Do you feel it, Tom? I do, people are talking more and politicians are taking greater note of gun violence. Something is going to get done, I can't tell you what or when, but I can tell you it will definitely happen.

Why is this in this thread? As you have noted before, most gun violence comes in the form of self-murder, not the "mass shootings" that the stupid drug war seems to spawn.

And you could easily tell us what is getting done.

On 4/7/2018 at 9:08 PM, badlatitude said:

There is nothing I can do now but support a full Second Amendment extermination, which I will do with huge endowments. Money talks.


You could disclose what you're $ecretly $pending and what is being done with the money.

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On 6/2/2019 at 9:53 AM, badlatitude said:

Do you feel it, Tom? I do, people are talking more and politicians are taking greater note of gun violence. Something is going to get done, I can't tell you what or when, but I can tell you it will definitely happen. Each time there is a mass shooting in this country, we get closer to a solution of some kind. You could try to self-police to ward off the politicians, but frankly, I think you are too late. If the NRA were proactive instead of recalcitrant about a SOLution, you wouldn't even be at this point. America is going to DO SOMETHING and sooner than you think.

Are you really interested in fixing anything BL?  i ask because your comments indicate that you only care that guns aren't used as the implement by which the outcome of societal ills are inflicted upon the populace. 

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4 hours ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

Are you really interested in fixing anything BL?  i ask because your comments indicate that you only care that guns aren't used as the implement by which the outcome of societal ills are inflicted upon the populace. 

I am as interested as you are in fixing societal ills. Guns have become a serious societal illness, with no cure in sight. Mass murder by gun is increasing, yet organizations like the NRA spend millions decrying the fact that we need more guns to solve the problem. Any normal thinking person sees that more guns are the sum of the problem. I have argued here, and have seen what a block wall of thinking does to a conversation. Many of the conversations I have had here offer no solution beyond 'leave my guns alone'. That's why I support legislators who demand a solution. Changing the minds on a website is a fool's errand, I am making things happen in a different way that is generating results.

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9 hours ago, badlatitude said:

I am as interested as you are in fixing societal ills. Guns have become a serious societal illness, with no cure in sight. Mass murder by gun is increasing, yet organizations like the NRA spend millions decrying the fact that we need more guns to solve the problem. Any normal thinking person sees that more guns are the sum of the problem. I have argued here, and have seen what a block wall of thinking does to a conversation. Many of the conversations I have had here offer no solution beyond 'leave my guns alone'.

Yeah, people who own ammosexual overcompensators say stuff like this:

On 1/9/2018 at 11:52 AM, badlatitude said:

I like my Second Amendment rights and will continue to resist the Nutterz attempts to dislodge me from my rights. I already said I would voluntarily surrender my weapons, my job now is to make sure that you do too.


(Before exploiting the dreaded gun show loophole and becoming assault weapon dealers, of course.)

 

9 hours ago, badlatitude said:

That's why I $upport legislators who demand a SOLution. Changing the minds on a website is a fool's errand, I am making things happen in a different way that is generating results.

On the contrary. You and Bloomberg both do an outstanding job of changing minds on this website.

We have lots of people who are of the opinion that $ecret $pending by rich people out to exterminate our rights is bad but you're able to show them the light and they never, ever complain about your efforts along those lines. Nor about Bloomberg routinely out$pending the NRA.

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14 hours ago, badlatitude said:

I am as interested as you are in fixing societal ills. Guns have become a serious societal illness, with no cure in sight. Mass murder by gun is increasing, yet organizations like the NRA spend millions decrying the fact that we need more guns to solve the problem. Any normal thinking person sees that more guns are the sum of the problem. I have argued here, and have seen what a block wall of thinking does to a conversation. Many of the conversations I have had here offer no solution beyond 'leave my guns alone'. That's why I support legislators who demand a solution. Changing the minds on a website is a fool's errand, I am making things happen in a different way that is generating results.

Do you have any thoughts on the changes that I've suggested?   

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On 6/5/2019 at 7:03 PM, Raz'r said:

Looks like good guys with a gun can be prosecuted when they turn out to be pussies.

Odd, I can't find your message advocating disarming the police.  

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Mass Shooting In Virginia

 

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Congressional District: 3
State Senate District: 18
State House District: 80

According to police, the call came in at 1:09 a.m. requesting police and medical assistance for several individuals who had been shot.

When officers arrived, they found two men and two women suffering from injuries consistent with being shot.

One of the men, identified as 28-year-old Robert E. Artis, was pronounced dead at the scene. The other three victims were taken to a local hospital with serious injuries.

There is currently no further information.

 

Sorry to see that the streak of five "mass" shootings in a row with no deaths has been broken.

That's plenty of information to support the usual SOLution.

Four is four. The legislative district info is right there. DO SOMETHING.

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Mass Shooting In California

 

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Congressional District: 5
State Senate District: 2
State House District: 10

Police say four people, including a soccer coach and an 11-year-old boy who had just finished soccer practice, were shot at a busy public park in the Northern California city of Santa Rosa.

Police said Thursday that they believe the gunfire around 7:35 p.m. Wednesday was gang-related.

 

Gee, the stupid drug war again. And again an urban area with strict gun control.

But again, four is four so TeamD knows which guns to ban. DO SOMETHING.

 

Mass Shooting In Illinois

 

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Congressional District: 5
State Senate District: 6
State House District: 12

man was killed and three others were critically wounded when someone in a passing car opened fire at their van on Lake Shore Drive near the Fullerton exit late Thursday night, according to Chicago police.

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A police source said the shooting was possibly gang-related. No one has been arrested.

 

Gee, the stupid drug war again. And again an urban area with strict gun control.

But again, four is four so TeamD knows which guns to ban. DO SOMETHING.

 

Mass Shooting In Texas

 

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Congressional District: 21
State Senate District: 25
State House District: 47

Police told KVUE that when they arrived on scene they found that the five victims had received indirect gunfire. There were two shotgun blasts to the ground, and it appeared that the blasts had ricocheted off the ground, hitting the five victims. Police also found some casings.

All five victims were transported to local hospitals. ATCEMS and police said their injuries were not expected to be life-threatening.

Police told KVUE they spoke to all of the victims and several witnesses and learned that two suspects had left on foot. No one is in custody at this time, but police believe they will be able to arrest the suspects soon because they have already identified them.

 

This one appears to be redneck idiocy. Good thing that SOMETHING has a section to cover shotguns.
 

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‘‘(F) A semiautomatic shotgun that has any 1 of the following:

‘‘(i) A folding, telescoping, or detachable stock.

‘‘(ii) A pistol grip.

‘‘(iii) A fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 5 rounds.

‘‘(iv) The ability to accept a detachable magazine.

‘‘(v) A forward grip.

‘‘(vi) A grenade launcher or rocket launcher.

‘‘(G) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

 

So perhaps a forward grip was responsible for this. Or maybe DOING SOMETHING isn't related at all again.

 

Another Mass Shooting In Texas

 

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Congressional District: 18
State Senate District: 13
State House District: 142


 

Gee, another drug war drive-by.

Four is four. The legislative district info is right there. DO SOMETHING.

 

Another Mass Shooting In Illinois

 

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District

Congressional District: 4
State Senate District: 2
State House District: 4

They were involved “in an altercation” with an unknown person about 4:20 a.m. at a restaurant in the 3500 block of West North Avenue, Chicago police said. 

After the altercation turned physical, the four left the restaurant, got in a Jeep Cherokee and the person they were arguing with pulled out a handgun and fired shots at the car, police said. The Jeep caught fire, collided with a parked car and came to a stop.

 

Chicago again, so again it's almost certain that the gun was illegally carried and probably illegally possessed.

But another gun ban will fix us right up so DO SOMETHING.

 

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Mass Shooting In New York

 

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Congressional District: 26
State Senate District: 60
State House District: 140

Police did not say whether the shooting happened at the business, but did say it appears four people were struck by gunfire in connection with some type of dispute.

 

That's about all the info that is available but not knowing things like the motive and type of gun should not stop us from banning some guns in response. Because four is four. DO SOMETHING.

 

Mass Shooting In Tennessee

 

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Congressional District: 8
State Senate District: 27
State House District: 82

LAUDERDALE COUNTY, Tenn. (localmemphis.com) - One person is dead and three others injured after being shot at a bar in Lauderdale County.

The shooting happened around 1 a.m. at David's Bar & Grill on N. Main in Henning.

 

Gee, another late night at a bar. No word on how many children were present, but we MUST protect the children by banning some guns in response to this incident. DO SOMETHING.

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5 hours ago, Raz'r said:

20,000; 15,000. Annually

How many since about 85 when the NRA went nuts?

You guys are some sick fucks celebrating death like you do.


You pick weird numbers without sources.

Since 1985, our violent crime rate has declined. A lot. You seem to recognize scare tactics when Trump talks about our yuge immigration problem, which was much yuger not long ago.

I agree that the Gungrabby Archive is the work of sick fucks who like to rack up unrelated shooting stats to pursue their gungrabby agenda.

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11 hours ago, Importunate Tom said:

You seem to recognize scare tactics when Trump talks about our yuge immigration problem, which was much yuger not long ago.

I'm fairly certain the the script being used runs more like this:

1) Orange man bad!

2) (R) bad!

3) (D) good!

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In a well deserved blow to gun nutters the SC today refused to hear a challenge to the NFA including one lower court case that upheld restrictions on suppressors used to deadly effect in the recent VA slaughter.

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12 hours ago, Importunate Tom said:


You pick weird numbers without sources.

Since 1985, our violent crime rate has declined. A lot. You seem to recognize scare tactics when Trump talks about our yuge immigration problem, which was much yuger not long ago.

I agree that the Gungrabby Archive is the work of sick fucks who like to rack up unrelated shooting stats to pursue their gungrabby agenda.

knock yourself out.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-deaths/

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"I agree that the Gungrabby Archive is the work of sick fucks who like to rack up unrelated shooting stats to pursue their gungrabby agenda." Importunate Tom 6-10-19

 

This is why rational people don't waste the energy talking to Tom. I wouldn't bother, this is a generational thing, and gun ownership is on the decline, that's the reason the NRA pumps so much money into ads, fear, and propaganda, it's the only way to keep things going. As this nation continues to grow away from a white, rural, and an uneducated bunch, and as it becomes less white, better educated, and less rural, It will lose interest in guns. 

Gun ownership is destined for obsolescence, it will go away just like the KKK or homophobia, as guns become more technical and advanced, it will be the government and military blocking sales The moderates will eventually be the group that makes the intellectual connection that all this savagery is wasted life, and should be ended. I hope Tom lives long enough to see that happen.

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15 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

as guns become more technical and advanced

Perhaps you can name some of these "to complicated for civilian use" firearms.

 

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4 minutes ago, bpm57 said:

Perhaps you can name some of these "to complicated for civilian use" firearms.

 

hmmm:

 

1. Across states, more guns = more unintentional firearm deaths

We analyzed data for 50 states over 19 years to investigate the relationship between gun prevalence and accidental gun deaths across different age groups.  For every age group, where there are more guns, there are more accidental deaths.  The mortality rate was 7 times higher in the four states with the most guns compared to the four states with the fewest guns.

Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David.  Firearm availability and unintentional firearm deaths.  Accident Analysis and Prevention.  2001; 33:477-84.

 

2. Across states, unsafe gun storage = more unintentional firearm deaths

We analyzed data from the 2002 Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System that asked questions about guns and gun storage in the home, combined with information on deaths from the National Center for Health Statistics.  Across states, both firearm prevalence AND questionable storage practices (i.e. storing firearms loaded and unlocked) were associated with higher rates of unintentional firearm deaths.

Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David; Vriniotis, Mary.  Firearm storage practices and rates of unintentional firearm deaths in the United States.  Accident Analysis and Prevention.  2005; 37:661-67.

 

3. Youth killed in gun accidents are shot by other youth

The majority of people killed in firearm accidents are under age 24, and most of these young people are being shot by someone else, usually someone their own age.  The shooter is typically a friend or family member, often an older brother.  By contrast, older adults are at a far lower risk of accidental firearm death, and most often are shooting themselves.  This article highlights one of the many benefits of the National Violent Death Reporting System (NVDRS).  Before the NVDRS, data on the shooter in unintentional gun deaths was not readily available.

Hemenway, David; Barber, Catherine; Miller, Matthew.  Unintentional firearm deaths: a comparison of other-inflicted and self-inflicted shootings.  Accident Analysis & Prevention.  2010; 42:1184-8.

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Just now, bpm57 said:

Perhaps you can name some of these "to complicated for civilian use" firearms.

 

This is what I actually said,

30 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

as guns become more technical and advanced

Could you have predicted technical gun advancements of today, thirty years ago? That's what I meant, in time, high tech will rule the world.

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1 hour ago, badlatitude said:

This is what I actually said,

Could you have predicted technical gun advancements of today, thirty years ago? That's what I meant, in time, high tech will rule the world.

I asked for examples.

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15 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

Use your imagination.

Phased plasma rifles in the 40 watt range don't seem to be available anywhere yet.

I was expecting you to actually name some of these recent amazing breakthroughs in small arms development.

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10 minutes ago, bpm57 said:

Phased plasma rifles in the 40 watt range don't seem to be available anywhere yet.

I was expecting you to actually name some of these recent amazing breakthroughs in small arms development.

I could have pointed out that China is winning the race on weapon development, and they are doing it at 1/3 the cost of what we give the Pentagon every year. If we see true advancement in weaponry, it may very well come from China before it comes from here.

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8 hours ago, badlatitude said:

Could you have predicted technical gun advancements of today, thirty years ago? That's what I meant, in time, high tech will rule the world.

Da fuh?

My assault weapon is nearly identical to most squirrel shooters with fixed tube magazines in the censored caliber that I have seen, at least in terms of functionality. They're all very much like Joseph Pelleteri's gun, which New Jersey grabbed in the 1990's.

It's darn near as old as I am and I wish that was only 30.

Other than covering more such guns, today's "assault weapon" ban is darn near identical to the one that passed in 1994.

There's nothing new about them, which could explain why Aussie grabbers are confiscating "assault weapons" from museums.

The only things I can think of that are really new tech are 3D printing and stun guns, either of which I'd be happy to discuss if grabbers didn't avoid those threads.

If you can think of more, name them. And say how they're relevant to DOING SOMETHING.

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1 hour ago, Importunate Tom said:

Other than covering more such guns, today's "assault weapon" ban is darn near identical to the one that passed in 1994.

Bullshit. The 1994 measure was self-defeating, and inherently flawed with the NRA sitting at the table. It was the best they could do at that time.

The 1994 law was stillborn, yet relatively effective, according to research which I can cite.

 

The 2017 AW ban is not her first rodeo, is it?

We'll fare better this time around, since Diane Feinstein rocks.

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11 hours ago, MR.CLEAN said:

Has the number of shootings increased or decreased?

GVA totals 2017, compared over four years.

  • Road Rage Up 250% in three years
  • Number of gun Injuries Up 29% over four years
  • Total gun incidents Up 18% over four years
  • Gun deaths (excluding 22,000 suicides/yr average) Up 23% in four years
  • Defensive Gun Uses Up 27% in four years
  • Officer involved, Suspect/shooter killed up 17% over four years
  • Accidental Shootings  Up 25% over four years
  • Number of Home Invasions Down 5% over four years
  • Number of Children (age 0-11) Injured  Up 19% over four years
  • Teens killed or injured (ages 12-17, not incl suicides) Up 38% over four years
  • Mass Shootings Up 26% over four years
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1 hour ago, Shootist Jeff said:

Even 1911s (as opposed to @Cal20sailor's "911") are one of the most common handguns out there and that hasn't changed design at all since.... well, 1911. 

Hooked and swallowed.  If you can use irregardless (sic), I can use clearly false information about guns.  Damn you are too easy.  I even explained the history and you bit and ate the bait.  I enjoy your ignorance.  Just saying....

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19 hours ago, badlatitude said:

I could have pointed out that China is winning the race on weapon development, and they are doing it at 1/3 the cost of what we give the Pentagon every year. If we see true advancement in weaponry, it may very well come from China before it comes from here.

Thats nice, but I thought you were talking about advances in small arms, not the entire military budget. 

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Thats nice, but I thought you were talking about advances in small arms, not the entire military budget. 

That's why I said, "If we see true advancement in weaponry, it may very well come from China before it comes from here." 

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9 hours ago, Cal20sailor said:

 If you can use irregardless

So because you disagree with word usage..

10 hours ago, Cal20sailor said:

I can use clearly false information about guns.

If you really meant to sound like an idiot, well, congratulations. You pulled it off.

Of course, some of the hoplophobes in here probably believed your story.

 

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3 minutes ago, bpm57 said:

So because you disagree with word usage..

If you really meant to sound like an idiot, well, congratulations. You pulled it off.

Of course, some of the hoplophobes in here probably believed your story.

 

Thank you for taking Jeff's dick out of your mouth long enough to respond.  Your family must be very proud.

I'm going to call you Spit.   

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11 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

That's why I said, "If we see true advancement in weaponry, it may very well come from China before it comes from here." 

FFS..

21 hours ago, badlatitude said:

Could you have predicted technical gun advancements of today, thirty years ago?

Still awaiting the list, not your hawt taek on what china is working on.

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1 minute ago, Cal20sailor said:

Thank you for taking Jeff's dick out of your mouth long enough to respond.  Your family must be very proud.  

And your posts become clear in retrospect... you really are about 12.

 

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24 minutes ago, bpm57 said:

And your posts become clear in retrospect... you really are about 12.

 

Out of 10!  Thanks but homey don't go there.  FFS, Jeff recruited someone dumber than him?

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22 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

When the discussion regresses to messenger attacks - that side is tacitly admitting that they got 'nuttin. 

Absolutely - “there were fine people on both sides”. Messenger attacks suck!

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Mass Shooting In Ohio

 

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Congressional District: 11
State Senate District: 25
State House District: 12

A preliminary investigation reveals there were several dice games taking place at the park, among other gatherings, according to police. The park was crowded with people as shots were heard and people started running, according to the other victims.

Several rounds of spent shell casings, two weapons and two vehicles were towed for processing.

 

We don't know anything about the two weapons but the number four indicates to TeamD which weapons need to be banned, so DO SOMETHING.

 

Mass Shooting In Georgia

 

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Congressional District: 1
State Senate District: 2
State House District: 165

They say 27-year-old Devonte Henneghan and an unidentified black male died as a result of their injuries. Two others, a 28-year-old male and a 27-year-old male, were transported to an area hospital with unknown injuries.

Detectives are actively investigating the incident and say this does not appear to be the result of a random shooting.

Anyone with information regarding this shooting is asked to contact the Violent Crimes Tip Line at (912) 525-3124. Tipsters can also contact CrimeStoppers at (912) 234-2020. Tipsters remain anonymous and may qualify for a cash reward.

 

Offering money for anonymous tips is one indication that it's stupid drug war violence once again.

But four is four so the same SOLution as always applies: DO SOMETHING.

 

Mass Shooting In Colorado

 

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Congressional District: 6
State Senate District: 28
State House District: 41

The shooting happened at about 1 a.m. in the 12500 block of East Kansas Place, according to the Aurora Police Department.

Police said shots were fired during some kind of gathering. The four victims took themselves to the hospital. One is in critical condition.

 

Some kind of 1 am gathering, huh? I'm sure everyone involved was sober.

But four is four and the math dictates the SOLution once again, so TnP of DOING SOMETHING.

 

Mass Shooting In North Carolina

 

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Congressional District: 12
State Senate District: 37
State House District: 101

Authorities said they arrived on scene just before 1 a.m. at the entrance of the Post Uptown Place on North Graham Street at 6th Street and found 24-year-old Calvin Haines who had been shot. 

They said Haines died at the scene.

 

Calvin%20Haines_1560372425378.jpg_15560307_ver1.0_320_240.jpg (Calvin Haines)

 

Officers said three other victims, ages 16, 19 and 22, had also been shot. Police said the 16-year-old is in critical condition.

Channel 9 could see the entire area in front of the CVS and Dunkin Donuts roped off with crime scene tape, evidence markers littered across the ground.

Officers on the scene told Channel 9 someone rented an apartment on Airbnb to host a party, and Eyewitness News could see lots of people around shortly after the shots were fired, most of them in their late teens and early 20s.

Witnesses told officers two people were arguing outside the complex, when one pulled a gun and started firing. They said a second person also pulled out a gun and started shooting. 

 

Two people with assault weapons and four victims. Like the rest above, this one doesn't look like a truly convenient shooting that will get its own thread and spark others here to TnP of DOING SOMETHING. How do I know they're assault weapons? Same way as usual: four is four so they must be assault weapons or DOING SOMETHING would not be necessary.

 

 

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10 hours ago, random said:

According to the Gun Violence Archive, there were more than 300 mass shootings - defined by the FBI as an incident in which four or more people are killed - in 2018


This is the kind of BS that has prompted me to explore those "mass" shootings in a bit more detail.

The FBI says 4 or more are killed.

But look at all those zero's in the "number killed" column in this Gungrabby Archive tabulation of "mass" shootings:

11 hours ago, random said:

 

 

Incident Datesort ascending

State City Or County Address # Killed # Injured Operations
June 12, 2019 Mississippi Brookhaven 2457 Grant Rd 0 1
June 12, 2019 Georgia Columbus Andrea Dr 0 1
June 12, 2019 Georgia Gray N/A 0 1
June 10, 2019 South Carolina North Charleston 2800 block of Ranger Drive 1 0
June 10, 2019 Tennessee Maryville 419 Savannah Village Drive 2 0
June 10, 2019 Missouri Saint Louis 1500 block of 20th St 1 0
June 10, 2019 Virginia Roanoke 748 Westwood Blvd NW 0 1
June 9, 2019 Missouri Saint Louis 4600 block of Michigan Ave 1 1
June 9, 2019 Texas Channelview 15100 block of Brentwood Dr 1 0
June 9, 2019 Missouri Kansas City 3150 Gillham Rd 0 2
June 9, 2019 Idaho Montpelier US Hwy 30 1 0
June 8, 2019 Louisiana New Orleans S Dorgenois St and Fourth St 0 1
June 8, 2019 Illinois Rockford 1900 block of Grenshaw St 0 1
June 7, 2019 Indiana East Chicago 3700 block of Alder St 0 1
June 6, 2019 Oklahoma Yukon 600 block of Cactus Ct 0 1
June 5, 2019 Wisconsin Milwaukee 17th and Concordia 0 1
June 5, 2019 California Santa Rosa 828 W 9th Street 0 4
June 5, 2019 Texas Houston 7402 Calhoun Rd 0 1
June 5, 2019 North Carolina Red Springs 14000 block of N.C. Highway 72 West 1 0
June 5, 2019 New York Bronx E 137th St and St Ann's Ave 0 1
June 4, 2019 Oklahoma Idabel 1900 block of Hillcrest Dr 3 0
June 4, 2019 Tennessee Chattanooga 2300 block of Farleigh St 0 1
June 2, 2019 Ohio Dayton Rugby Rd 0 1
June 2, 2019 Florida Miami Gardens NW 207th St and 37th Ave 2 0
June 1, 2019 Kansas Kansas City 600 block of S 11th St 0 2

 

Much like defining "gun violence" as suicide, it's just number padding to scare non-readers.

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8 Children Are Accidentally Shot Every Day With Unsecured Firearms In The Home

Somewhere in the U.S. today, a child will find a loaded gun in a home. They won’t have to look hard. It will be unlocked and stored in an easily accessible place. The child will pick up the firearm, and soon enough, it will go off exactly like it’s supposed to. The bullet will strike a friend, or a sibling, or the child who found the gun in the first place. Someone will be injured or killed. If it’s an average day in America, this scene will play out seven more times somewhere. It will repeat itself tomorrow.

Those eight children will be the casualties of so-called “family fire,” a term that describes shootings involving unsecured firearms in the home. This aspect of gun violence is the focus of a public education campaign launched Wednesday by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

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29 minutes ago, Importunate Tom said:


This is the kind of BS that has prompted me to explore those "mass" shootings in a bit more detail.

The FBI says 4 or more are killed.

But look at all those zero's in the "number killed" column in this Gungrabby Archive tabulation of "mass" shootings:

Much like defining "gun violence" as suicide, it's just number padding to scare non-readers.

Give us this day our daily dogballs.

You want them dead, or what? Why are you complaining that they survived? Why are you complaining that their mangled bodies were counted, and were considered?

We need non-Libertarians to do the countng, or what?

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5 minutes ago, random said:

U.S. Child Gun Deaths: Firearms Are Second Biggest Killer in America

The latest figures from 2016 released in the New England Journal of Medicine show 20,360 children and teens died in the U.S. that year. Sixty percent of the deaths were caused by preventable injuries, the authors said.

Related: U.S. Needs tougher gun laws to stop dementia patients killing themselves and others, scientists warn

Some 4,074 young people aged 19 or younger died in motor vehicle incidents, amounting to a fifth of total deaths. Meanwhile at 15 percent, 3,140 deaths were caused by a firearm.

Between 2013 and 2016, firearm deaths spiked by 28 percent to four in 100,000 per year among those aged 19 or younger.


More of the same kind of number padding.

19 year olds are not children. But they sure do get shot in these stupid drug war drive-by's a lot, as detailed in this thread.

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