SCANAS 523 #501 Posted October 29, 2019 15 minutes ago, PIL66 - XL2 said: Very late program. No crew confirmed.. rig yet to go in.. no training.... Where do I sign!? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
duncan (the other one) 670 #502 Posted October 29, 2019 55 minutes ago, SCANAS said: In my humble opinion a Canting Keel 46 with foils should hang pretty close to a box rule 52. Rates just higher! 1.406 vs 1.397 Ichi & 1.371 Old Celestial / Wot Now where did you get those numbers from? They're complete bollocks. IRC: https://ircrating.org/irc-racing/online-tcc-listings/ Maverick - 1.388 Ichi Bum - 1.407 Celestial - 1.382 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCANAS 523 #503 Posted October 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, duncan (the other one) said: where did you get those numbers from? They're complete bollocks. IRC: https://ircrating.org/irc-racing/online-tcc-listings/ Maverick - 1.388 Ichi Bum - 1.407 Celestial - 1.382 From race results: https://www.rolexsydneyhobart.com/standings?categoryId=0&raceId=113 & https://www.rorc.org/raceresults/2017/ircoverall14.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recidivist 531 #504 Posted October 29, 2019 Thanks guys. Boats get re-optimised all the time, but it seems Maverick's in the ball park with a TP52, and so her performance in that race was about what should be expected. I wasn't sure if she was killing it, or barking. Neither, it seems. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
duncan (the other one) 670 #505 Posted October 29, 2019 36 minutes ago, SCANAS said: From race results: https://www.rolexsydneyhobart.com/standings?categoryId=0&raceId=113 & https://www.rorc.org/raceresults/2017/ircoverall14.html 2018 and 2017 respectively. IRC rating site is the only definitive source to use. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCANAS 523 #506 Posted October 29, 2019 12 minutes ago, duncan (the other one) said: 2018 and 2017 respectively. IRC rating site is the only definitive source to use. Yeah I didn’t think Recidivist was going to start a spreadsheet, just a general idea. I’m sure there will be some new certs issued before the race. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dachopper 20 #507 Posted October 29, 2019 10 hours ago, Recidivist said: What's it rate? No, really. I was watching it on the tracker in the recent Newcastle/Bird Island race - until they broke something they were hanging on well a couple of miles behind Gweilo the TP52, but I couldn't find ratings to indicate whether they should have been there or not. Oh, and in that race, Celestial put in a very good performance - was that the ex-Ambition, or the previous Celestial? Anyone know? Well... From one of the Euro races, their beam reach speed is incredible..... 60 foot botin catching incredible.... for a 46 footer that is. Most of the other big races they have done.... wind has generally been light with the odd exception, so maybe we see the full potential of a DSS optimized boat for once....... something tells me the IMOCA 60 style foils are the way to go though! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
duncan (the other one) 670 #508 Posted October 29, 2019 7 hours ago, dachopper said: Well... From one of the Euro races, their beam reach speed is incredible..... 60 foot botin catching incredible.... for a 46 footer that is. Most of the other big races they have done.... wind has generally been light with the odd exception, so maybe we see the full potential of a DSS optimized boat for once....... something tells me the IMOCA 60 style foils are the way to go though! it'll wholly depend on how the major offshore rating systems (IRC) treat them. History tells us fast-for-their-length boats are one-trick ponies that never rate well overall, and therefore don't end up being too popular. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,079 #509 Posted October 29, 2019 1 hour ago, duncan (the other one) said: it'll wholly depend on how the major offshore rating systems (IRC) treat them. History tells us fast-for-their-length boats are one-trick ponies that never rate well overall, and therefore don't end up being too popular. Yes the problem for Maverick is that they must carry the handicap of a 52 footer with them all the time despite only performing like a 52 footer some of the time. They are penalized for the DSS however it only works in some conditions not all. I would like to know what their results have been in light air races etc? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickDastardly 234 #510 Posted October 30, 2019 3 hours ago, terrafirma said: Yes the problem for Maverick is that they must carry the handicap of a 52 footer with them all the time despite only performing like a 52 footer some of the time. They are penalized for the DSS however it only works in some conditions not all. I would like to know what their results have been in light air races etc? That's not a DSS-specific argument, it's a single number handicap argument. A heavy cruiser-racer has a fixed handicap delta vs a TP25, in some weather condition/course combos the cruiser-racer will always win and in others, the TP52 will always win. A DSS boat certainly makes that delta more extreme given that its RM varies with speed, unlike a non-DSS boat. A single number handicap is necessarily an average across up, down and reaching conditions and a range of wind strengths. It will always struggle to fairly handicap disparate boats so weather vs course geometry become the main determinants of success in a lot of races. That as much less the case in IOR type forming days, but I don't know anyone who wants to go back there. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
duncan (the other one) 670 #511 Posted October 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, DickDastardly said: That's not a DSS-specific argument, it's a single number handicap argument. A heavy cruiser-racer has a fixed handicap delta vs a TP25, in some weather condition/course combos the cruiser-racer will always win and in others, the TP52 will always win. A DSS boat certainly makes that delta more extreme given that its RM varies with speed, unlike a non-DSS boat. A single number handicap is necessarily an average across up, down and reaching conditions and a range of wind strengths. It will always struggle to fairly handicap disparate boats so weather vs course geometry become the main determinants of success in a lot of races. That as much less the case in IOR type forming days, but I don't know anyone who wants to go back there. IMS post-constructed weather. You know you want to 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 698 #512 Posted October 30, 2019 52 minutes ago, duncan (the other one) said: IMS post-constructed weather. You know you want to by the time the millennials and subsequent generations are dominating boat ownership and racing, there will be a new handicap system that calculates the results so that it's a dead heat for first for all competitors, so everyone is a winner. DNF competitors will also be promoted to winner so as to not make them feel left out. For the 100th S2H there will be 200 tattersalls prizes handed out The golden age of yachting to come..... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCANAS 523 #513 Posted October 30, 2019 Seeing as though it’s a rich get richer economy. There will be less & less domestic entries going forward. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickDastardly 234 #514 Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, duncan (the other one) said: IMS post-constructed weather. You know you want to I daren't mention it...and it's a proven turkey in any case. There's no perfect answer. Closest is probably grouping boats of similar DLR/Sailing Characteristics together in Divisions rather than by size. This is sort-of done in some races. It does mean that the overall winner and placegetters will probably cluster in one division but that's no less an evil than presently IMHO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flippin Out 130 #515 Posted October 30, 2019 On 10/29/2019 at 2:13 PM, Recidivist said: What's it rate? No, really. I was watching it on the tracker in the recent Newcastle/Bird Island race - until they broke something they were hanging on well a couple of miles behind Gweilo the TP52, but I couldn't find ratings to indicate whether they should have been there or not. Oh, and in that race, Celestial put in a very good performance - was that the ex-Ambition, or the previous Celestial? Anyone know? Ambition still in it's pen at Sandy Yacht Club as of last night. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recidivist 531 #516 Posted October 30, 2019 29 minutes ago, Flippin Out said: Ambition still in it's pen at Sandy Yacht Club as of last night. Wow. If the "old" Celestial performed so well, what is Sam Haynes hoping for by "upgrading" - to beat Ichi? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SPORTSCAR 696 #517 Posted October 30, 2019 8 hours ago, The Dark Knight said: by the time the millennials and subsequent generations are dominating boat ownership and racing, there will be a new handicap system that calculates the results so that it's a dead heat for first for all competitors, so everyone is a winner. DNF competitors will also be promoted to winner so as to not make them feel left out. For the 100th S2H there will be 200 tattersalls prizes handed out The golden age of yachting to come..... Any chance of you lining up for the 100th Great Race in your newly acquired $80k TP52? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 698 #518 Posted October 30, 2019 8 hours ago, SPORTSCAR said: Any chance of you lining up for the 100th Great Race in your newly acquired $80k TP52? Not a chance, I'll be bitching about the ch7 8k broadcast from my nursing home. Maybe Vicky will do the race. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Livia 685 #519 Posted October 30, 2019 17 hours ago, DickDastardly said: I daren't mention it...and it's a proven turkey in any case. There's no perfect answer. Closest is probably grouping boats of similar DLR/Sailing Characteristics together in Divisions rather than by size. This is sort-of done in some races. It does mean that the overall winner and placegetters will probably cluster in one division but that's no less an evil than presently IMHO. It is simple, IRC in a long race you just gamble hard. optimise the boat for a set of conditions really hard get that you win if not bad luck this is the biggest failing of IRC. At least IOR for its fault kept all boats whether 30 feet of 70 fleet in a pretty tight envelope sure weather will always play a big part but the differences now are so exaggerated. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jono 42 #520 Posted November 5, 2019 Had a run through the list. Not many under 1.000 Rating. Take 5 and Southern Myth for the most sailing? Hate to say it but the Corinthian / non Corinthian split isn't bringing in the adventurers. Maybe the racers want it that way? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LB 15 4,876 #521 Posted November 5, 2019 On 10/29/2019 at 3:02 PM, PIL66 - XL2 said: Very late program. No crew confirmed.. rig yet to go in.. no training.... Why are they all leaning out like that? Are the being sick? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LB 15 4,876 #522 Posted November 5, 2019 On 10/30/2019 at 1:49 PM, SCANAS said: Seeing as though it’s a rich get richer economy. There will be less & less domestic entries going forward. You free over xmas? Thinking about this I will need someone to run the other boat. https://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/volvo-60-two-volvo-60-commercial-charter-yachts/194418 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCANAS 523 #523 Posted November 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, LB 15 said: You free over xmas? Thinking about this I will need someone to run the other boat. https://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/volvo-60-two-volvo-60-commercial-charter-yachts/194418 Have to mothball them for a year, entries have closed. TC is out, on the bench for another. If not we should take @shaggybaxter Pogo out to Lord Howe for Boxing Day lunch i reckon, only be an overnighter from the seaway on a beam reach. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LB 15 4,876 #524 Posted November 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, SCANAS said: Have to mothball them for a year, entries have closed. But what if we tell them we are rich? Aren't you going on Matrix? As soon as I heard who was going I excused myself from further competition. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCANAS 523 #525 Posted November 5, 2019 13 minutes ago, LB 15 said: But what if we tell them we are rich? Aren't you going on Matrix? As soon as I heard who was going I excused myself from further competition. Surely they’ll allow us just based on SA points! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill E Goat 284 #526 Posted November 5, 2019 Cabbage Tree looks like a good lineup - 67 boats. Looks like a quick trip up but a slog all the way home, I reckon about 20 hours for the TP52's https://bwps.cyca.com.au/news/2019/cabbage-tree-island-set-to-be-the-biggest-yet/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Next Level 15 #527 Posted November 5, 2019 2 hours ago, SCANAS said: Surely they’ll allow us just based on SA points! Weren’t you meant to be doing this year on TC? I remember your Interview with the CY last year saying you would be back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCANAS 523 #528 Posted November 5, 2019 22 minutes ago, Next Level said: Weren’t you meant to be doing this year on TC? I remember your Interview with the CY last year saying you would be back. Yeah 75th was always the goal, be good to race with some similar vintage boats. Brand new boom just went on a couple of weeks ago too but owner pulled the pin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Livia 685 #529 Posted November 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, SCANAS said: Yeah 75th was always the goal, be good to race with some similar vintage boats. Brand new boom just went on a couple of weeks ago too but owner pulled the pin. Did you do any of the delivery home last year?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCANAS 523 #530 Posted November 5, 2019 12 minutes ago, lydia said: Did you do any of the delivery home last year?? Sydney to Coffs, motor died. Stuck in Hobart waiting for engineering shop to fix the boom & a mechanic to fix the motor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Livia 685 #531 Posted November 5, 2019 10 minutes ago, SCANAS said: Sydney to Coffs, motor died. Stuck in Hobart waiting for engineering shop to fix the boom & a mechanic to fix the motor. Good Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dachopper 20 #532 Posted November 5, 2019 On 10/30/2019 at 1:40 AM, terrafirma said: Yes the problem for Maverick is that they must carry the handicap of a 52 footer with them all the time despite only performing like a 52 footer some of the time. They are penalized for the DSS however it only works in some conditions not all. I would like to know what their results have been in light air races etc? I think speed wise, they keep up with Black pearl Carkeek 47 in the lighter stuff, but are slower than the 52's.... talking upwind and downwind Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
duncan (the other one) 670 #533 Posted November 6, 2019 8 hours ago, dachopper said: I think speed wise, they keep up with Black pearl Carkeek 47 in the lighter stuff, but are slower than the 52's.... talking upwind and downwind well, enough keyboard bullshit. Cabbage tree race this Friday - and it looks like broad reaching up to the island (90nm) in 15-20+, flat water. If Maverick can't demonstrate her superiority in those conditions, she won't anywhere. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trt131 182 #534 Posted November 6, 2019 Its going to be a busy harbour at the start with the Short Haul race 30 mins before the 73 boat fleet get underway. Also RSYS an RANSA twilight races happening too. 73 boats on the start line !! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCANAS 523 #535 Posted November 6, 2019 7 hours ago, duncan (the other one) said: well, enough keyboard bullshit. Cabbage tree race this Friday - and it looks like broad reaching up to the island (90nm) in 15-20+, flat water. If Maverick can't demonstrate her superiority in those conditions, she won't anywhere. How do you define superiority in this context ie what boats should it beat over the line or on handicap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
duncan (the other one) 670 #536 Posted November 6, 2019 35 minutes ago, SCANAS said: How do you define superiority in this context ie what boats should it beat over the line or on handicap. Handicap. Pick something longer with similar handicap, and she needs to be significantly ahead of it at the island, because it's all waterline upwind after that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JonRowe 729 #537 Posted November 6, 2019 41 minutes ago, trt131 said: Its going to be a busy harbour at the start with the Short Haul race 30 mins before the 73 boat fleet get underway. Also RSYS an RANSA twilight races happening too. 73 boats on the start line !! Wild Oats and BJ lining up again, hopefully the line is set a bit further out of Rushcutters bay than a few years ago! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trt131 182 #538 Posted November 6, 2019 Unless CYCA have an aquatic permit to close the harbour like the Hobart start they are very confined by the maritime restrictions ie. no marks in any of the channels Bound to be a bun fight. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JonRowe 729 #539 Posted November 6, 2019 22 minutes ago, trt131 said: Unless CYCA have an aquatic permit to close the harbour like the Hobart start they are very confined by the maritime restrictions ie. no marks in any of the channels Bound to be a bun fight. The year I'm thinking of they had it set right up inside of Clarke island, out by Shark where the Wednesday start would have been a better choice, ended up with a boat through their window if I remember rightly... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
duncan (the other one) 670 #540 Posted November 6, 2019 22 minutes ago, JonRowe said: The year I'm thinking of they had it set right up inside of Clarke island, out by Shark where the Wednesday start would have been a better choice, ended up with a boat through their window if I remember rightly... Indeed... that's what happens when a swan 65 (?) tries to mount a 34 footer and ends up dragging it along backwards by the backstay. Weather's looking a bit sporty for Fri night.. might be postponed? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trt131 182 #541 Posted November 6, 2019 Isn't it a Cat 2 race, if so no postponement I would think. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,079 #542 Posted November 7, 2019 Cabbage Tree Island warm up . Who got the better of who anyone know? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
duncan (the other one) 670 #543 Posted November 7, 2019 13 hours ago, trt131 said: Isn't it a Cat 2 race, if so no postponement I would think. you would think so.. but the trigger seems to be Gale Warning. Think it has something to do with the RMS Aquatic license. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 698 #544 Posted November 7, 2019 What's the go with Infotrack? Do they race at all during the year or just do a qualification race and then the S2H? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trt131 182 #546 Posted November 7, 2019 18 hours ago, JonRowe said: The year I'm thinking of they had it set right up inside of Clarke island, out by Shark where the Wednesday start would have been a better choice, ended up with a boat through their window if I remember rightly... Jon, I think your memory needs a little attention. That start was off Point Piper with the start boat close to the point and the pin end close to the shipping channel, no where near Clarke Island. Duncan is correct about the incident. I think the issue was it being a qualifier and a lot of boats not being regular racers not know how to start within the rules. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCANAS 523 #547 Posted November 7, 2019 54 minutes ago, trt131 said: I think the issue was it being a qualifier and a lot of boats not being regular racers not know how to start within the rules. Fuck if that was the issue they shouldn’t be going on to start on the busiest start line in Aus for mixed fleet! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 698 #548 Posted November 7, 2019 3 hours ago, DtM said: pretty much seems a waste buying a big boat and only concentrating on one race a year (and not being so competitive). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DtM 544 #549 Posted November 7, 2019 Offer him $80,000 for it. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gorn FRANTIC!! 403 #550 Posted November 7, 2019 6 hours ago, terrafirma said: Cabbage Tree Island warm up . Who got the better of who anyone know? Was this issue so pressing that you needed to ask the same dumbass question in 2 threads? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,079 #551 Posted November 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, Gorn FRANTIC!! said: Was this issue so pressing that you needed to ask the same dumbass question in 2 threads? It was relevant for 2 threads IMO. Did it really bother you that much that you had to question it? FFS ain't you the forum Police...! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 698 #552 Posted November 7, 2019 1 hour ago, DtM said: Offer him $80,000 for it. yeah, and then what, keep it at anchor and not sail it ever because I can't afford to do anything with it.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,079 #553 Posted November 7, 2019 35 minutes ago, The Dark Knight said: yeah, and then what, keep it at anchor and not sail it ever because I can't afford to do anything with it.... Perhaps that's the reason he's not sailing it too often? Then again Oats, BJ and Comanche haven't been out that much this year. You'd think he'd do the Cabbage Race as a warm up? Running costs for a 100 footer are hundred's of thousands.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 698 #554 Posted November 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, terrafirma said: Perhaps that's the reason he's not sailing it too often? Then again Oats, BJ and Comanche haven't been out that much this year. You'd think he'd do the Cabbage Race as a warm up? Running costs for a 100 footer are hundred's of thousands.. BJ & Oats have been getting make overs and perhaps C has not been out because Cooney has been playing with his other toys? The Oatleys have WOX to play with. Better to buy a boat you can afford to sail Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JonRowe 729 #555 Posted November 7, 2019 4 hours ago, trt131 said: I think your memory needs a little attention. That start was off Point Piper with the start boat close to the point and the pin end close to the shipping channel, no where near Clarke Island. Duncan is correct about the incident. I think the issue was it being a qualifier and a lot of boats not being regular racers not know how to start within the rules. It was a couple of years ago so I'll admit to being hazy but I recall it being much further back towards clark than the point. The issue was not the number of boats per se, it was two 100fters having a battle on the line causing the fleet to try to squeeze into the other half of the line above them. On the general recall I seem to remember them then starting a bit behind everyone and no issues occurred. Of course if I'm remembering right anyway, lots happened since then Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dark Cloud 344 #556 Posted November 7, 2019 21 minutes ago, terrafirma said: Perhaps that's the reason he's not sailing it too often? Then again Oats, BJ and Comanche haven't been out that much this year. You'd think he'd do the Cabbage Race as a warm up? Running costs for a 100 footer are hundred's of thousands.. They are a fair bit more than that. Try 1.5 to get to the start line. In any given year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JonRowe 729 #557 Posted November 7, 2019 7 hours ago, The Dark Knight said: What's the go with Infotrack? Do they race at all during the year or just do a qualification race and then the S2H? They've done the Goldcoast race too in the past? And some "corporate entertainment", I had thought it might have a crack at Hammo given some past "bar karate" but I guess it was talked out of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill E Goat 284 #558 Posted November 8, 2019 Will be interesting to see if the postpone Cabbage Tree Race till tomorrow morning seeing as the Predictwind forecast is 25 gusting 35, bet they are not keen on sending 67 yachts out in that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trt131 182 #559 Posted November 8, 2019 I note that there has been a Gale Warning issued for the Hunter Coast today. It will probably pass through quite quickly though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gorn FRANTIC!! 403 #560 Posted November 8, 2019 The BOM might actually be on the ball with their warnings for a change, peak gust for the day has just been recorded at Nobbys Lighthouse, 40kn from the NW at 1:10pm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,079 #561 Posted November 8, 2019 20-30 Knots and then a few changes in direction NW going South to SW and may shift West 15-25 later on in the evening. I would have thought that's do-able for the race given it's an Ocean Race? Start still 5 hours away? Post Poning wouldn't achieve a lot as the weekend's weather looks to be in the 20-30 knot range anyway? They'd call the race off otherwise if your saying that wouldn't send them out in this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SPORTSCAR 696 #562 Posted November 8, 2019 On 10/30/2019 at 3:29 PM, Flippin Out said: Ambition still in it's pen at Sandy Yacht Club as of last night. Trucked out of SYC just yesterday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 698 #563 Posted November 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, SPORTSCAR said: Trucked out of SYC just yesterday. I saw yesterday that a new listing for Ambition was added to Yachthub yesterday as sold. Broker trying to boost his ego by advertising he sold it? Also Celestial was added as sold as well. Perhaps the sail of Celestial allowed the Ambition purchase to be finalised? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SPORTSCAR 696 #564 Posted November 8, 2019 19 minutes ago, The Dark Knight said: I saw yesterday that a new listing for Ambition was added to Yachthub yesterday as sold. Broker trying to boost his ego by advertising he sold it? Also Celestial was added as sold as well. Perhaps the sail of Celestial allowed the Ambition purchase to be finalised? Ads 1 photo of each, no detail at all. Why bother, just makes them look lazy. Ex-Ambition to be the new Celestial and Ex-Celestial to be the new Smuggler. The circle keeps turning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 698 #565 Posted November 8, 2019 12 minutes ago, SPORTSCAR said: Ads 1 photo of each, no detail at all. Why bother, just makes them look lazy. Ex-Ambition to be the new Celestial and Ex-Celestial to be the new Smuggler. The circle keeps turning. I like the FB post Quote This week we bid farewell to our TP52 which has been sold unexpectedly and is headed to Sydney to a very keen owner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCANAS 523 #566 Posted November 8, 2019 Can’t blame the broker for telling ppl he sells boats. Some ppl might look back on his / her old listings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCANAS 523 #567 Posted November 8, 2019 31 minutes ago, SPORTSCAR said: Ads 1 photo of each, no detail at all. Why bother, just makes them look lazy. Ex-Ambition to be the new Celestial and Ex-Celestial to be the new Smuggler. The circle keeps turning. So the guy who just sold Ambition is upgrading to? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gorn FRANTIC!! 403 #568 Posted November 8, 2019 Just now, SCANAS said: So the guy who just sold Ambition is upgrading to? Scallywag Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCANAS 523 #569 Posted November 8, 2019 Just now, Gorn FRANTIC!! said: Scallywag Haha I was going to write that!! Set a few west coaster records! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,079 #570 Posted November 8, 2019 20 minutes ago, SCANAS said: So the guy who just sold Ambition is upgrading to? Is Ambition the ex Azzura TP52? Makes sense as it's a later boat than Celestial. I bit more competition for Ichi Ban I take it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gorn FRANTIC!! 403 #571 Posted November 8, 2019 17 minutes ago, terrafirma said: Is Ambition the ex Azzura TP52? Makes sense as it's a later boat than Celestial. I bit more competition for Ichi Ban I take it? No, the ex Azzura boat is now Envy Scooters. Ambition/Celestial was the 2011 J/V designed Audi All4One later became Beecom then Temptation III. Both Envy & New Celestial were 2011 design from the same office so more than likely very near sisters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newbiesporty 18 #572 Posted November 8, 2019 38 minutes ago, SCANAS said: Can’t blame the broker for telling ppl he sells boats. Some ppl might look back on his / her old listings. Considering that broker had nothing to do with either of those sales, it is opportunistic advertising at best, Questionable ethics at worst 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SPORTSCAR 696 #573 Posted November 8, 2019 5 hours ago, trt131 said: I note that there has been a Gale Warning issued for the Hunter Coast today. It will probably pass through quite quickly though. Still in place for today and tomorrow... interesting scenario, waiting for the RO to make a call? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gorn FRANTIC!! 403 #574 Posted November 8, 2019 Looking at marine traffic there's already a number of boats entered out on the harbour including Infotrack & Wild Oats, the CYCA start boat is also on station so I'm guessing they're planning to proceed as scheduled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 698 #575 Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, newbiesporty said: Considering that broker had nothing to do with either of those sales, it is opportunistic advertising at best, Questionable ethics at worst Brokers and ethics??? LOL 39 minutes ago, SPORTSCAR said: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newbiesporty 18 #576 Posted November 8, 2019 Is there any start coverage? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gorn FRANTIC!! 403 #577 Posted November 8, 2019 No. Sailor Girl is out of the country on holidays. You get can an idea of what's happening by watching AIS on Marine Traffic. Bow caddy media will probably have some videos of the start by tomorrow afternoon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCANAS 523 #578 Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, newbiesporty said: Considering that broker had nothing to do with either of those sales, it is opportunistic advertising at best, Questionable ethics at worst Lol! What’s he hoping for then? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCANAS 523 #579 Posted November 8, 2019 2 hours ago, terrafirma said: Is Ambition the ex Azzura TP52? Makes sense as it's a later boat than Celestial. I bit more competition for Ichi Ban I take it? 1 hour ago, Gorn FRANTIC!! said: No, the ex Azzura boat is now Envy Scooters. Ambition/Celestial was the 2011 J/V designed Audi All4One later became Beecom then Temptation III. Both Envy & New Celestial were 2011 design from the same office so more than likely very near sisters. So what’s Chris Dare getting if he’s selling a 2011 TP? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rumpig 32 #580 Posted November 8, 2019 Piss poor from the CYC not to have any coverage for such a big race Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gorn FRANTIC!! 403 #581 Posted November 8, 2019 Looks like Chinese Whisper may be headed for a premature drink & shower. WO has lit the fuse and left the harbour at 27kn. Edit: looks like No Limit could be heading home early as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickDastardly 234 #582 Posted November 8, 2019 WOXI has pulled out - structural issues MOB on About Time, recovered safe and well 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,079 #583 Posted November 8, 2019 Smash and bang.! Maverick 3rd on Line Honours according to the website. Gweilo second. Ichi Ban??? Black Jack around 5 miles ahead of second place. Sounds like we could have a few boats coming back early. No surprise Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gorn FRANTIC!! 403 #584 Posted November 8, 2019 Looks like Ichi Ban was a DNS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SPORTSCAR 696 #585 Posted November 8, 2019 Nasty night out there. 8 retirements so far. Take care peoples, be fast but be safe. Edit, 9 out now as Zen joins the list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 698 #586 Posted November 8, 2019 I see that they still have the same wonderful tracker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason AUS 261 #587 Posted November 8, 2019 3 hours ago, DickDastardly said: MOB on About Time, recovered safe and well Jesus... good to hear. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SPORTSCAR 696 #588 Posted November 8, 2019 5 hours ago, SCANAS said: So what’s Chris Dare getting if he’s selling a 2011 TP? Stepped back to his SB20 for the Nats in Hobart a week or so ago. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sugarscoop 68 #589 Posted November 8, 2019 Does this mean all the boat that retired, fail to qualify for the Sydney to Hobart? Unless they do do a separate certain offshore passage? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dachopper 20 #590 Posted November 8, 2019 Wow, maverick is kicking serious foiling ass, 3rd on line 1st in div Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
