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Windy tracker is also working this year: https://gis.ee/sh/  

Maybe they can fix the AIS transmitter while the mast is down?

I'm involved in that my name is on the boat, to which someone has attached a keel which it was not designed to carry, issuing a construction method we would never agree to use and have refused to in t

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On 10/7/2018 at 9:06 AM, hoppy said:

the 75th.... they seem to like flogging the anniversary events. I'm not quite sure what makes the 75th more exciting than the 74th. Better off saving your pennies and plan for the 100th, that should be a big one. 

The 100th will cost $AUD100k to enter and monohulls or non-foiling yachts will no longer be accepted. Owners of less than Billionaire net capital worth status will have the right to appeal the rejection of their entry but will be refused anyway.  Maximum crew allowed  will be three, of any gender, and no more than five autopilots and two flux capacitor powered engines per vessel will be allowed. Mount Gay helmets will be issued to all surviving participants.

The race will start, as usual, on Boxing Day at 1:00pm and most competing boats are expected back in Sydney Harbour for the twilight race to be conducted by The Inter-Galactic Cruising Yacht Club that evening. Channel 7 will thought-stream the start for the maximum allowable public broadcast time of Seven (funny about that) nano-minutes, concentrating on a maximum of two boats owned by the wealthiest participants no matter how many are entered.

Calm, light, variable and heavy radiation is forecast and the fact that the crew will glow in the dark removes the need for navigation lights. Seas are expected to be wet. Competitors have been advised of a potential navigation hazard on the course as continental drift will have seen Australia move eastward towards the New Zealand land mass. As is normal, expected, Sunfish will  play an important role in determining the winner of this iconic event.

Results will be projected on to the Sydney Opera House as soon as available. and because nobody can agree on which rules, if any. should apply to the Great Race, protests are no longer accepted so the delay in projecting the results should be minimal. 

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17 minutes ago, SPORTSCAR said:

The 100th will cost $AUD100k to enter and monohulls or non-foiling yachts will no longer be accepted. Owners of less than Billionaire net capital worth status will have the right to appeal the rejection of their entry but will be refused anyway.  Maximum crew allowed  will be three, of any gender, and no more than five autopilots and two flux capacitor powered engines per vessel will be allowed. Mount Gay helmets will be issued to all surviving participants.

The race will start, as usual, on Boxing Day at 1:00pm and most competing boats are expected back in Sydney Harbour for the twilight race to be conducted by The Inter-Galactic Cruising Yacht Club that evening. Channel 7 will thought-stream the start for the maximum allowable public broadcast time of Seven (funny about that) nano-minutes, concentrating on a maximum of two boats owned by the wealthiest participants no matter how many are entered.

Calm, light, variable and heavy radiation is forecast and the fact that the crew will glow in the dark removes the need for navigation lights. Seas are expected to be wet. Competitors have been advised of a potential navigation hazard on the course as continental drift will have seen Australia move eastward towards the New Zealand land mass. As is normal, expected, Sunfish will  play an important role in determining the winner of this iconic event.

Results will be projected on to the Sydney Opera House as soon as available. and because nobody can agree on which rules, if any. should apply to the Great Race, protests are no longer accepted so the delay in projecting the results should be minimal. 

Except gender will cease to exist. 

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4 hours ago, SPORTSCAR said:

The 100th will cost $AUD100k to enter and monohulls or non-foiling yachts will no longer be accepted. Owners of less than Billionaire net capital worth status will have the right to appeal the rejection of their entry but will be refused anyway.  Maximum crew allowed  will be three, of any gender, and no more than five autopilots and two flux capacitor powered engines per vessel will be allowed. Mount Gay helmets will be issued to all surviving participants.

The race will start, as usual, on Boxing Day at 1:00pm and most competing boats are expected back in Sydney Harbour for the twilight race to be conducted by The Inter-Galactic Cruising Yacht Club that evening. Channel 7 will thought-stream the start for the maximum allowable public broadcast time of Seven (funny about that) nano-minutes, concentrating on a maximum of two boats owned by the wealthiest participants no matter how many are entered.

Calm, light, variable and heavy radiation is forecast and the fact that the crew will glow in the dark removes the need for navigation lights. Seas are expected to be wet. Competitors have been advised of a potential navigation hazard on the course as continental drift will have seen Australia move eastward towards the New Zealand land mass. As is normal, expected, Sunfish will  play an important role in determining the winner of this iconic event.

Results will be projected on to the Sydney Opera House as soon as available. and because nobody can agree on which rules, if any. should apply to the Great Race, protests are no longer accepted so the delay in projecting the results should be minimal. 

So Sportscar 

 

Will the race have a rog Victorian skipper entered as well just to spice up the fleet as well and give the CYC some one to throw out to keep the other owners happy as well ?

 

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1 hour ago, DtM said:

My recollection of the 50th was a fleet of 370 boats.  Doubt the 75th will get anywhere close to that.

150 would be a very good fleet.

Yeah it was crazy think about 310 boats actually made it to Hobart but with 3 races to Hobart still expect overall 200 boats

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Now, now boys and girls,

 

We need to stop talking about the 100th  Hobart and  any talk of other Hobart races other than the 2019 race.

 

We don’t want to give Hoppy any ideas about any more races other than next years race or he will fart again and the next thing we all know is he will have  start 20 new topics before we know it. 

 

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So with all the new rules that YA or what ever they are and the CYC are bringing in, do we think that any of the old Boat s like the 1 tonners and alike will have any chance of doing the 75th race or is it going to be out of the reach of the average owner ? 

 

Or Do we need to look at starting a cruise to Hobart like how the race began in order to get owners Sailing the older boats again ?

 

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On 10/9/2018 at 12:54 AM, SPORTSCAR said:

The 100th will cost $AUD100k to enter and monohulls or non-foiling yachts will no longer be accepted. Owners of less than Billionaire net capital worth status will have the right to appeal the rejection of their entry but will be refused anyway.  Maximum crew allowed  will be three, of any gender, and no more than five autopilots and two flux capacitor powered engines per vessel will be allowed. Mount Gay helmets will be issued to all surviving participants.

The race will start, as usual, on Boxing Day at 1:00pm and most competing boats are expected back in Sydney Harbour for the twilight race to be conducted by The Inter-Galactic Cruising Yacht Club that evening. Channel 7 will thought-stream the start for the maximum allowable public broadcast time of Seven (funny about that) nano-minutes, concentrating on a maximum of two boats owned by the wealthiest participants no matter how many are entered.

Calm, light, variable and heavy radiation is forecast and the fact that the crew will glow in the dark removes the need for navigation lights. Seas are expected to be wet. Competitors have been advised of a potential navigation hazard on the course as continental drift will have seen Australia move eastward towards the New Zealand land mass. As is normal, expected, Sunfish will  play an important role in determining the winner of this iconic event.

Results will be projected on to the Sydney Opera House as soon as available. and because nobody can agree on which rules, if any. should apply to the Great Race, protests are no longer accepted so the delay in projecting the results should be minimal. 

The "crew" will be AI and it will be Billionaire Owner-Driver because they can sit around on their superyachts in St Barts or Lanai or wherever "helming" the boats. 

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15 hours ago, pulpit said:

So with all the new rules that YA or what ever they are and the CYC are bringing in, do we think that any of the old Boat s like the 1 tonners and alike will have any chance of doing the 75th race or is it going to be out of the reach of the average owner ? 

 

Or Do we need to look at starting a cruise to Hobart like how the race began in order to get owners Sailing the older boats again ?

 

pulpit

I hope the CY assists a much as possible to allow the “average owners and boats” to compete. Not sure exactly what they could do but it would be a shame to let this anniversary year go by without some of the smaller and older boats having a chance to compete with the bigger and more expensive programs...

any ideas the CY could adopt to make entry easier and more affordable for the smaller amateur programs?

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51 minutes ago, Next Level said:

I hope the CY assists a much as possible to allow the “average owners and boats” to compete. Not sure exactly what they could do but it would be a shame to let this anniversary year go by without some of the smaller and older boats having a chance to compete with the bigger and more expensive programs...

any ideas the CY could adopt to make entry easier and more affordable for the smaller amateur programs?

Thats the million dollar question, how to make it more affordable for the average person/owner, perhaps some owner who has gone to Hobart on a small boat can fill us in with costs

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Those criteria do not fit the more average boats that the posters above are describing and hoping will try to enter the 75th. Most of them would have the cost of getting to Cat 1 and a lot more (including relevant insurance).

You are a blithering idiot.

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To take a average club racing 40 footer and properly fit it out get it to the start and back to qld when all said and done  you will have no change from aud $100 k

or at least what it used to cost about a decade ago

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26 minutes ago, bayboy said:

Im surprised S2H gets as many yachts as it does if it's costing up too 100k for the race of a small boat, no wonder we see fleets get smaller

Check the entry list mate, there isn’t many small boats!

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6 minutes ago, SCANAS said:

Check the entry list mate, there isn’t many small boats!

It’s sad mate.. if you look back at the fleets in the 90’s and even the early 000’s, the majority of the fleets were in the 30-40 footer range.. Amateur crews, in more common and affordable production boats. This in turn, made entry and the cost of the race campaign more affordable overall and I think more desirable to the “everyday sailors” who wanted to have a crack!

bring back those days I reckon!

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For a start you forgot work on boat like stopping leaks etc and new set of halyards and sheets

then there are engine services replacing  shaft bearings etc before you get to rudder bearings service or refit

no communication upgrades in your list

big one is sails so new offshore main , three and four with new s4  for reliability 

as scanas found out you can’t expect a reasonably new club racing main to stay in one piece when reefing at tasman

Hoppy you start way ahead with a known boat like a Sydney 38 all the bits are off the shelf and standard items

there is a start

 

 

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4 minutes ago, hoppy said:

not talking me. At the most I'd be doing the L2H in 2019

You’re gonna need to buy a boat for that, or you hitching a lift?

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5 hours ago, hoppy said:

All that stuff depends on the boat you have. For example, my old Jeanneau would not need a new main (built solid for high wind cruising) but it would need a smaller headsail and storm sails. However, if you had something like the S38 that recently sold in Melbourne, it's likely that a full wardrobe would be required. On the other hand, a boat that recently did the race may be ok sail wise.

Comms is covered in 2) Upgrade boat to cat 1 (depends on boat, as per special regs requirements)

I'm trying to understand the non-boat upgrade items.

Hoppy that is not the comms upgrade I was talking about

your cruising main would not last the distance

and from experience I can say it is cheaper and better to buy the boat with no sails 

sails deteriates even if sitting in the shed

 

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2 hours ago, lydia said:

Hoppy that is not the comms upgrade I was talking about

your cruising main would not last the distance

and from experience I can say it is cheaper and better to buy the boat with no sails 

sails deteriates even if sitting in the shed

 

Just ask Witty. 

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24 minutes ago, VOA said:

ZuesII won in ‘81 overall. Can you still take an old 1/2? I don’t think so

Kind of, Gun Runner a Jarkan 9.25, just won Corinthian, But an old race half tonner would probably have to go through some measurement hassles, re: scantlings / stability.

It would be great to see a division of old halfs, 3/4er's and 1 tonners do the 75th. Bring back the Gruelling,, just for 1 race..

Have at it, you could start here, I'm sure an old East Coast 31 would pass all tests, bullet proof bloody things.

https://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/eastcoast-31-classic-grp-half-tonner/207344

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16 hours ago, VOA said:

ZuesII won in ‘81 overall. Can you still take an old 1/2? I don’t think so

Anyone who applies to enter a Hobart with a Half Tonner should be taken away in a straight-jacket and committed for their own protection.

Having said that, kudos to the GunRunner dudes, impressive effort. Great boats those 925s, Kanga-Built and bloody near bullet proof.

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17 hours ago, VOA said:

ZuesII won in ‘81 overall. Can you still take an old 1/2? I don’t think so

THe very old 1/2 tonner like a currawong make stability but later one will not

Scantling rules does not apply.

But sporty how is that different from any other private owner who wants to take anything less than a 52 to Hobart these days!

Spend lots of money, finish days behind the big boats with no hope of a win.

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11 minutes ago, Next Level said:

Min 115 for Hobart post 98..

The real question is how you get to the number.

Changes to the screening test make it complete bullshit.

Just get a designer to sign off on a dodgy gz curve and you are all good.

A number of older boats with previously clear AVS have struggled to now make 115 with the change in inclination procedure.

And the solutions demonstrate the process is bullshit.

In one case putting 120kg of lead a metre forward of the mast made the boat have a higher AVS.

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24 minutes ago, lydia said:

The real question is how you get to the number.

Changes to the screening test make it complete bullshit.

Just get a designer to sign off on a dodgy gz curve and you are all good.

A number of older boats with previously clear AVS have struggled to now make 115 with the change in inclination procedure.

And the solutions demonstrate the process is bullshit.

In one case putting 120kg of lead a metre forward of the mast made the boat have a higher AVS.

Where is the most accurate info for individual designs RM and STIX??

A list of stock production boats stability would be interesting to compare when looking for a affordable boat when putting a campaign together.

 

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9 minutes ago, Next Level said:

Where is the most accurate info for individual designs RM and STIX??

A list of stock production boats stability would be interesting to compare when looking for a affordable boat when putting a campaign together.

 

Just what I was thinking.....

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Having done the numbers few years ago the equation is this.

an old 1/2 toner will be about 0.8500 and a 100 foot canter is 1.650 plus so if  Wild Oats take 2 1/2 days you get to finish on New Year’s Eve and win.

Zues 2 finished 2nd in 2002 to Quest and had a very slow run up the river, I was in the jury room at the RYCT with my back to the window while the jury kept looking past me at Zues 2 as it crept to the finish.

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Without checking the records but will do , with a standard rig about 108-109 so well short.

really in new keel territory

Therte is one that races a bit in Tas under AMS/IRC but not in Cat 2 races

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3 hours ago, lydia said:

THe very old 1/2 tonner like a currawong make stability but later one will not

Scantling rules does not apply.

But sporty how is that different from any other private owner who wants to take anything less than a 52 to Hobart these days!

Spend lots of money, finish days behind the big boats with no hope of a win.

Dead right Lydia, the vast majority of competitors are on a hiding to nothing in terms of a win but for most, the mystique of the event is why they do it. To be able to answer yes when asked if you’ve done a Hobart carries some kudos, even today. It will be interesting to see the size of the 75th fleet on 26/12/19. Might even hit the gym and have another go myself.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, lydia said:

Without checking the records but will do , with a standard rig about 108-109 so well short.

really in new keel territory

Therte is one that races a bit in Tas under AMS/IRC but not in Cat 2 races

Interesting...

what are some affordable designs out there in the 36-40ft range which would def pass the 115?

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12 minutes ago, lydia said:

Without checking the records but will do , with a standard rig about 108-109 so well short.

really in new keel territory

Therte is one that races a bit in Tas under AMS/IRC but not in Cat 2 races

New keel = whole new internal  keel floor structure, you can’t just hang a new keel on the existing structure, so major expense right there. Increased stability means increased loads on rig, sails and deck gear and on it goes so not a simple fix.

 

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13 minutes ago, lydia said:

Without checking the records but will do , with a standard rig about 108-109 so well short.

really in new keel territory

Therte is one that races a bit in Tas under AMS/IRC but not in Cat 2 races

I vaguely recall Shane Kearns (Komatsu Azzurro) took one south in the early noughties... St Malo I believe it was called.. will need to double check.

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3 hours ago, lydia said:

But sporty how is that different from any other private owner who wants to take anything less than a 52 to Hobart these days!

Spend lots of money, finish days behind the big boats with no hope of a win.

90% of boats know they have no chance of a win, maybe a divisional placing.  But spending the lead up and then the race with a bunch of mates and enjoying a pretty tough experience that most people you know that aren't into sailing (if you know any) are in awe of is what it is all about.  I know the fun I had will live forever. 

It is the safety regulation costs that start to add up that make it hard

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51 minutes ago, SPORTSCAR said:

Dead right Lydia, the vast majority of competitors are on a hiding to nothing in terms of a win but for most, the mystique of the event is why they do it. To be able to answer yes when asked if you’ve done a Hobart carries some kudos, even today. It will be interesting to see the size of the 75th fleet on 26/12/19. Might even hit the gym and have another go myself.

 

 

Sporty

I have a 1/2 toner you can borrow

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48 minutes ago, Next Level said:

Interesting...

what are some affordable designs out there in the 36-40ft range which would def pass the 115?

Sydney 38 designed nd built for the job

Anything cheaper will just require mods

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1 hour ago, Next Level said:

Where is the most accurate info for individual designs RM and STIX??

A list of stock production boats stability would be interesting to compare when looking for a affordable boat when putting a campaign together.

 

If you go here and request the full 24 column info then the SSS Base Value, the STIX and AVS info is available for all boats that have an IRC cert and the relevant stability info.  You can sort for AUS or for any other country you wish to look at.

https://www.ircrating.org/racing/on-line-tcc-listings

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8 minutes ago, Tunnel Rat said:

If you go here and request the full 24 column info then the SSS Base Value, the STIX and AVS info is available for all boats that have an IRC cert and the relevant stability info.  You can sort for AUS or for any other country you wish to look at.

https://www.ircrating.org/racing/on-line-tcc-listings

Awesome thanks TR.

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13 minutes ago, Tunnel Rat said:

If you go here and request the full 24 column info then the SSS Base Value, the STIX and AVS info is available for all boats that have an IRC cert and the relevant stability info.  You can sort for AUS or for any other country you wish to look at.

https://www.ircrating.org/racing/on-line-tcc-listings

Cyca will not accept AVS from class irc ct or any of the information there

it is so SA get to sell you two fucking certicates

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4 minutes ago, lydia said:

Cyca will not accept AVS from class irc ct or any of the information there

it is so SA get to sell you two fucking certicates

They wouldn't want to make things too easy for you, would they?

At least that webpage is an indication of what boats may get what range of stability number......

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7 minutes ago, lydia said:

Cyca will not accept AVS from class irc ct or any of the information there

it is so SA get to sell you two fucking certicates

What a joke... which Certs do they accept for entry?

thanks TR, it def gives an indication as to what sort of designs make the grade.

cheers

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It is in the NoR but in practical terms for an older boats it means ORCi ct or at least the flotation data.

The real problem at the moment is older boats reproducing past re3sults under the new procedure.

We are talking like 5 degrees of AVS with no change in the boat.

The  primary change is inclination without safety gear aboard.

Also the screening test has changed but no one can explain it.

One Hobart boat discussed on the other thread has always made 117 AVS yet only made 112 under the new regime.

The solution was to put weight in the , wait for it, the bow to increase stability.

Every kid in an Opti knows you make the boat more unstable by moving forward.

So the screening test is flawed to give that result even if you accept that at 115 inclination having the bow down makes the boat have a better AVS then the test is asking the wrong question.

It is voodoo physics based on an acceleration.

So even if you find an older boat that passed once it may not pass now.

 

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It is in the NoR but in practical terms for an older boats it means ORCi ct or at least the flotation data.

The real problem at the moment is older boats reproducing past re3sults under the new procedure.

We are talking like 5 degrees of AVS with no change in the boat.

The  primary change is inclination without safety gear aboard.

Also the screening test has changed but no one can explain it.

One Hobart boat discussed on the other thread has always made 117 AVS yet only made 112 under the new regime.

The solution was to put weight in the , wait for it, the bow to increase stability.

Every kid in an Opti knows you make the boat more unstable by moving forward.

So the screening test is flawed to give that result even if you accept that at 115 inclination having the bow down makes the boat have a better AVS then the test is asking the wrong question.

It is voodoo physics based on an acceleration.

So even if you find an older boat that passed once it may not pass now.

Farr 30 shits it in btw

 

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9 minutes ago, lydia said:

It is in the NoR but in practical terms for an older boats it means ORCi ct or at least the flotation data.

The real problem at the moment is older boats reproducing past re3sults under the new procedure.

We are talking like 5 degrees of AVS with no change in the boat.

The  primary change is inclination without safety gear aboard.

Also the screening test has changed but no one can explain it.

One Hobart boat discussed on the other thread has always made 117 AVS yet only made 112 under the new regime.

The solution was to put weight in the , wait for it, the bow to increase stability.

Every kid in an Opti knows you make the boat more unstable by moving forward.

So the screening test is flawed to give that result even if you accept that at 115 inclination having the bow down makes the boat have a better AVS then the test is asking the wrong question.

It is voodoo physics based on an acceleration.

So even if you find an older boat that passed once it may not pass now.

Farr 30 shits it in btw

 

Mmm... concerning..

so back when the Tow Truck fellas took the little green sub south, she was stock?!?

i thought they must’ve added weight to the bulb or something along those lines.

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On 12/31/2018 at 7:28 PM, pulpit said:

So with all the new rules that YA or what ever they are and the CYC are bringing in, do we think that any of the old Boat s like the 1 tonners and alike will have any chance of doing the 75th race or is it going to be out of the reach of the average owner ? 

 

Or Do we need to look at starting a cruise to Hobart like how the race began in order to get owners Sailing the older boats again ?

 

pulpit

Ask spiesy he got an old boat through the paperwork.

Down load a copy of the current years requirements are start working through it now. You need to be ready to sail on the last sat in july. Sydney to gold coast. From there it's easy.

It's all there http://www.rolexsydneyhobart.com/competitors/race-documentation/

 

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I bought the sister ship to Atria with the grand idea of doing her up and racing her south.   I got to $50k on the laundry list and decided it wasn’t going to happen.   Scantlings check / cert was going to be $5k before any remediation.  SSB and electronics upgrade $10k, stability check $1k before any remediation.  Budget for remediagion scantlings & stab (provided with reason) $10k.  rig refurb, $10k,  misc safety $5k...  

I still have a dream of racing a 30 south, but probably not out of my pocket.   

I note even a Figaro 2 won’t meet AVS

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1 hour ago, Next Level said:

Mmm... concerning..

so back when the Tow Truck fellas took the little green sub south, she was stock?!?

i thought they must’ve added weight to the bulb or something along those lines.

Stock Mumm 30.

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2 minutes ago, bayboy said:

Question does this also apply to Launceston to Hobart the stability rating?

Launceston to Hobart is cat.3. + liferaft.

Category 3 Races:

ORCi stability index of 103 or greater, or ISO 12217-2 Design Category or IRC Category A or B, or IRC SSS Base Value of 16 or greater, or SV of 10 or less subject to B.5.1, or RMI of 1.4 or greater.

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8 hours ago, SPORTSCAR said:

Anyone who applies to enter a Hobart with a Half Tonner should be taken away in a straight-jacket and committed for their own protection.

 

What a good example of aggro sneers that are doing so much damage to our fleets. How dare someone sail a boat that you may not like!  How dare they sully the ranks of TP52s with something that only costs a year's income with Hobart gear!

 

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